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12-08-2011 06:49 PM
masterclass
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

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Fucking good first post.
Thanks Grassquet.

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Originally Posted by Grassquet View Post
But you will learn quite fast to shorten your posts otherwise no one will read you
Thanks for your learned advice. I realize reading an acknowledged lengthy post is not for everyone here.
I appreciate those like you who took the time to read it. I'll make my points as concisely as I can in the future.

Regards,
masterclass
12-08-2011 06:21 PM
Poirot123
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

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Originally Posted by shiaben View Post
He doesn't need to work on his backhand, he's fixed after getting his rear end spanked at the previous AO. But this USO we saw how he fixed it.

The main thing is his stamina/endurance. Since he can' work on this (since he's too old). The only thing he must do is the following:

1. Keep rallies short (no more than 7-8 shot rallies).
2. Stay away from constant deuce points (the more he's trapped in deuce, the more he gets drained).

He'll be fine once he implements point 1 and 2. This is all assuming just like this year's 2011 USO: his serve is reliable, his backhand is clicking, and his footwork is solid.
I agree that Fed's biggest weakness these days in the 5 set format is his stamina/endurance, particularly when he comes up against one of the guys in the top 10.

Take the US Open SF this year. Federer put so much into the first two sets to win them, you could visibly see him relax and take it slightly easier in the 3rd and 4th set. This fall in physicallity allowed Djokovic back into the match, and for him to push it into a 5th. Why is this significant? It is because Djokovic stepped up his endurance to an unbelievable level in 2011, and the only way Federer could beat him was to match that level of endurance in the rallies. Only problem for Federer was that he couldn't maintain it. It was telling in the final set how Federer suddenly put a lot more effort into it, and should've pulled through to win.

So for me, if Federer wants to win another slam, and the courts are tortuously slow, he needs to match Djokovic's level of endurance. If he doesn't, and Djokovic is fully fit, then Fed will need to put it all out for the first 3 sets, or I think he'll lose again.

There is also mental weaknesses coming into federer's game. But he just needs some belief and confidence and I'm sure he'll be fine.
12-08-2011 06:10 PM
Gagsquet
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

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On the contrary, I believe Roger would love nothing better than to beat any of the trio above when they are at their best. If anything, playing players that are less than their best or not equal to the task appears to bore him and he often looks for ways to make matches more challenging, hence his apparent lapses in concentration when ahead, especially in the more recent past. However, when Roger is playing at his best, no one can beat him, and he is virtually unplayable.

To quote the great Rafael Nadal after his last match against Roger at the WTF:
'I accept he played at a very, very top level,' he said. 'Something very special only one player like Roger can arrive at. So I'll accept that and keep fighting.' '...In these conditions he can attack better than on other surfaces. But if he plays like this in the other surfaces he will still beat me. That is true.'

I've watched the full WTF 2011 Federer-Nadal match again twice to objectively (hopefully) glean two things. Which factors contributed the most to Roger's high level of play, and was Rafa's play really sub-par or not?

Starting with the second item first, I've concluded that Rafa did not appear to be sub-par. Physically, he said he "felt perfect". In some key statistics, he made a relatively high percentage of first serves (73% to Roger's 67%). He also made a total only 7 unforced errors (Roger had 8, 5 in the first set). Rafa was not beating himself. However, the most glaring statistic in my opinion was that Roger hit 28 winners to Rafa's 4. Roger's execution was phenomenal on this day and this more than anything else was the reason for the outcome. To the casual observer, it may have appeared that Rafa was sub-par, perhaps because several of his returns were rather short or he wasn't getting to the ball in time, but I think a more astute appraisal would be that Roger forced Rafa to hit shorter than usual due to the strength and placement of his attack, also making it difficult for Rafa to get to the ball and hit more aggressive shots. For Rafa, there were no excuses and he intimated as much as quoted above. He was simply outplayed on this day due to Roger's excellence in execution.

Now, as far as Roger goes, what were the key factors that contributed to his success on this day, and what can he use for that in the future?

1. It starts with his serve. Continuing to serve well gives him confidence and reassurance that whatever else may not be working well, he can rely on his service games to keep him in the match. Over 60% first serves will do, the closer it gets to 70%, obviously, the easier it gets for him.

2. Vary his shots and placement against the top players. Nole and Rafa thrive on pace, especially if it is unchanging. Against Rafa at WTF, Roger played varied shots, especially early in points, medium slice to Rafa's backhand and more severe slices to his forehand, intermixed with topspin returns at a medium pace, with strategic placement to set himself up for his more powerful topspin returns for winners. Now saying this is all well and good, but executing it match after match, or even set after set is another. For that, he also needs the next element.

3. He must maintain focus and go for the kill at first opportunity as he did against Rafa in their last match. He must not let up once gaining the advantage, even if it seems to him as if he can coast, giving the fans more tennis. After going ahead rather easily, does he perhaps subconsciously want a greater challenge and "goes on walkabout" for a few games?

Observe his own words after his championship victory at the WTF final with Tsonga:
"Could I have won it easier? I guess. I had it in my hands. I had a chance to go a double break in the second [set]. I had chances to serve it out. I had chances in the tie-breaker. Yeah, it wasn't meant to be. But if I would have served it [the second set] out, it would have been over in a hurry. I think I almost felt the spectators weren't quite ready for it to end quite yet. Although many would have been happy for me, they would have loved to see more tennis. I had to go through the third set, which was tough, but eventually I made it, which felt probably even better going through three sets. "

After the US open loss to Djokovic:

After losing a 2-0 set lead to go to the 5th set and being up a break, serving with two match points,
"Sure, it’s disappointing, but I have only myself to blame... It’s just one of those matches, you know. I mean, I set it all up perfect, but I couldn’t finish it."

Finally, Roger Federer is human. He can't be expected to have a super performance every time he steps on the court. But when he does have it, it is a wonder to watch, and I'm thankful for being able to see tennis played at this level. Also thankfully in this era, as in others, there are many other players with varying games able to lift their game to a high level as well, and we the fans get to enjoy it all.
Fucking good first post.
But you will learn quite fast to shorten your posts otherwise no one will read you
12-05-2011 11:44 PM
Topspindoctor
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

He should serve an ace every time
12-05-2011 11:41 PM
eduggs
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

Federer wins with his strengths.
I say none of the above. Forehand and serve (especially a bigger 2nd serve).
When Federer plays his best he dominates with his serve and forehand. His weaknesses are protected by his offense. I think he should work to dial in his strengths.
12-05-2011 08:08 PM
perfect-tennis
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

I wrote a post on this a while back - What Federer has to do to win another slam
12-05-2011 07:47 PM
Federer_28
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

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Originally Posted by Saberq View Post
It was clay you mug .....Novak at the AO fit and rested is unbeatable on that slow hard court
SO I guess Novak is not fit and rested a lot then
12-05-2011 06:16 PM
sco
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

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Originally Posted by Dr.Slice View Post
Novak is very hard to beat there indeed, but if Federer plays to his best, then even Novak can do nothing about that. Of course these days, it is very rare for RF to do that.

RF needs to improve his mental focus primarily. Sometimes his mind wonders away.
This.
12-05-2011 06:01 PM
Mateya
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

When playing Rafzilla he needs to start hitting twohanded backhands.

When playing Djoker he needs to play like Goderer and stay focused all the time.

When playing Muzza he just needs to show up on court even if it's Olderer.
12-05-2011 04:10 PM
Dr.Slice
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

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Originally Posted by Saberq View Post
It was clay you mug .....Novak at the AO fit and rested is unbeatable on that slow hard court
Novak is very hard to beat there indeed, but if Federer plays to his best, then even Novak can do nothing about that. Of course these days, it is very rare for RF to do that.

RF needs to improve his mental focus primarily. Sometimes his mind wonders away.
12-05-2011 03:00 PM
masterclass
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

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Originally Posted by fsoica View Post
...Congrats, for the entire post...
Thanks Fsoica. I appreciate your kind words.

I've been reading the comments here for a while to get a feel of the forum prior to my first (admittedly rather lengthy) post.

There are certainly many different approaches to commentary here...
I'm looking forward to being able to contribute during the 2012 season.

Regards,
masterclass
12-05-2011 02:43 PM
GOAT = Fed
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

His backhand has been very good ever since Rolland Garros.

He needs to improve:

Fitness levels and Return of Serve.

His returns are not very good atm, so he definitely needs to improve in that department.
12-05-2011 01:53 PM
abraxas21
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

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Originally Posted by Saberq View Post
It was clay you mug .....Novak at the AO fit and rested is unbeatable on that slow hard court
i hope someone puts this quotes in your face when djokomug loses in AO 2012. I'd save the quote myself if i weren't so damn lazy about these things
12-05-2011 01:37 PM
Saberq
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

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Originally Posted by juan27 View Post
bullshits like always.

novak rested and healthy was defeated by federer in rg.

nadull with a injuried and tired nole was owned by him.
It was clay you mug .....Novak at the AO fit and rested is unbeatable on that slow hard court
12-05-2011 01:35 PM
fsoica
Re: What does federer need to work on before AO 2012 to maximize slam chance?

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Originally Posted by masterclass View Post
On the contrary, I believe Roger would love nothing better than to beat any of the trio above when they are at their best. If anything, playing players that are less than their best or not equal to the task appears to bore him and he often looks for ways to make matches more challenging, hence his apparent lapses in concentration when ahead, especially in the more recent past. However, when Roger is playing at his best, no one can beat him, and he is virtually unplayable.
If anyone would start and continue their participations on MTF with such reasonable, analytical posts, it would be quite boring here... Nice analysis and I'm happy that such intelligent and not hateful posters are coming here nowadays.

Congrats, for the entire post, not only for the cited part. My reaction would have been the same if your analysis would have been Djokovic or Rafa-related...
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