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10-11-2011 10:21 PM
mooncreek
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

Federer's return neutralizes Roddick's biggest weapon while Roddick's return makes Federer's serve look amazing.

Consider that in the 2009 Wimbledon match (the best match Roddick played against him) Federer had 50 aces! About half of them in the 16-14 set. Federer is not a player I'd ever call an ace machine but he consistently out-aces Roddick in their matches.
10-11-2011 02:07 PM
heya
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

just like today vs. grigor,
'dick jekyllandmrhyde" was always a moonball dropshot clown and fraud. a clueless choker who cared more about buying respect with his fangirls' money and sleeping with a vacuous fantasy-nba playing 'model'. forget about playing dignified tennis and retiring when he's declining. he knows he tried to look like an amazing player by being an apologist for federer. but because he's surrounded by greedy wealthy bitches, he doesn't care what he does. idiot was broken 3 or more times and still howled like a talentless douchebag who robbed the bank and stole some love in shanghai. he's kato kaelyn.
10-11-2011 01:36 PM
leng jai
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

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Originally Posted by BodyServe View Post
Of course Federer level of play can be surpassed, i mean he doesn't have a really good topspin BH and his FH isn't that good on high balls.

Keep dreaming, that must be great to live in delusion.
Your tennis knowledge rocks.
10-11-2011 12:17 PM
The Magician
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

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Originally Posted by BodyServe View Post
Of course Federer level of play can be surpassed, i mean he doesn't have a really good topspin BH and his FH isn't that good on high balls.

Keep dreaming, that must be great to live in delusion.


Key word is "doesn't" because in the present you're right. The whole point however is those things "weren't" true and Federer in his prime had the best forehand ever and an unattackable backhand. His slice used to be much better, he was far quicker to defend the backhand and high balls didn't work because he stood on the baseline and could half volley moonballs before they got up. Nadull's tactics really only started working when Federer's movement broke down, it was never in his hands and even now OldFed has the matchup against Nadull on his racket
10-11-2011 12:01 PM
BodyServe
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

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Originally Posted by The Magician View Post
Because he had to face Federer in his prime at grand slams. If Nadull, Fakervic, or Nadull had to face Federer in 2004-2006 they would have been dominated just like everyone else. Hard to imagine when you just started watching tennis I know, but in his prime Federer really was on another planet and that level of play will never be replicated again, especially not by the clowns today
Of course Federer level of play can be surpassed, i mean he doesn't have a really good topspin BH and his FH isn't that good on high balls.

Keep dreaming, that must be great to live in delusion.
10-11-2011 11:46 AM
timafi
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

Roger's serve is not predictable

Roger reads Roddick's serves

Roger takes the ball early and is constantly aggressive unlike pusher Roddic
Roger moves better

Roger is faster

Roger has depth on his shot and even if his backhand is "weaker" his backhand is still 1.000.000 better than that of Roddick's

Roger has variety in his forehand and hits it flat if he's in the mood

Roger knows how to defend

Roger can go from defense to offense

unlike Roddick Roger can approach the net well and hit volley that won't be run down like Roddick's "volleys"

Roger can hit slices

Roger can hit drop shots

Roddick is predictable with the backhand floating "slice" in the middle of the service court

Roddick is predictable with that forehand "slice" to Roger's forehand

Roddick is predictable with the forehand he tries to hit to Roger's forehand that gets him passed all day long

it doesn't need to be about sheer power with Roger


hell last time Roger played Roddick in Basel he didn't even block Roddick's serve

everyone beats Roddick now after watching Roger destroy Roddick's predictable game and they should pay Roger residual fees
the better and aggressive players not surprising from Nadal;Dkokovic;Murray;Ferrer;Tsonga and those who beat him and the schmucks:Andujar;Cipola;Gabashvili



Roger can hit a high backhand volley thank you for that one Roddick
10-11-2011 11:46 AM
The Magician
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

Because he had to face Federer in his prime at grand slams. If Nadull, Fakervic, or Nadull had to face Federer in 2004-2006 they would have been dominated just like everyone else. Hard to imagine when you just started watching tennis I know, but in his prime Federer really was on another planet and that level of play will never be replicated again, especially not by the clowns today
10-11-2011 11:26 AM
bandabou
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

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Originally Posted by oomph View Post
And that only on clay.

Still, if it's about good returners, why has Djokovic have a LOSING H2H against him then?
That's a very interesting question..hmmm...
10-11-2011 10:46 AM
Super Djoker
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

Too much skill!
10-11-2011 10:40 AM
oomph
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

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Originally Posted by bandabou View Post
Because Federer is Federer.. no seriously..Roger did a good job at taking away Andy's serve. Then it becomes a groundgame and if you can't find Roger's forehand consistently, you ain't gonna win many matches against him.

Only Nadal has really found the way to beat Roger almsot at will, so no shame for Andy.
And that only on clay.

Still, if it's about good returners, why has Djokovic have a LOSING H2H against him then?
10-11-2011 10:28 AM
bandabou
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

Because Federer is Federer.. no seriously..Roger did a good job at taking away Andy's serve. Then it becomes a groundgame and if you can't find Roger's forehand consistently, you ain't gonna win many matches against him.

Only Nadal has really found the way to beat Roger almsot at will, so no shame for Andy.
10-11-2011 09:45 AM
Sophocles
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

Serve/return issues have been covered. Fed also was adept at exploiting Roddick's terrible transition game with wicked short-angled slices followed up by zinging passing shots.
10-11-2011 07:20 AM
leng jai
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

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Originally Posted by MTwEeZi View Post
Because Federer can return 140mph serves at your feet but will shank 80mph lefty slice serves to the backhand
Why would Federer return Roddick's serve at his feet when he'll be 2 metres behind the baseline by then? Sounds like an error in both scenarios.
10-11-2011 06:42 AM
Haelfix
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

Federer (for whatever reason) had a perfect read on Roddicks serve. That always tends to lead to lopsided results in pro tennis.

I think Fed's return of first serve in his prime, is one of the most underrated elements of his game, and one of the best in tennis history. He put back more Roddick 1st serves than pretty much anybody else (including Djokovic, Ferrer, Nalbandian, Davydenko etc).

From the baseline, Roddick was outclassed across the board. So without the ability to win free points on the serve, and knowing that he was outclassed in all other areas of the game, Roddick had to alter his game in ridiculous ways.

This led to a lot of scenarios where he would kamikaze the net (bad news against Federer's passing shots), or try to overhit, or try to overgrind etc. The matchup at that point went to his head.
10-11-2011 06:17 AM
EddieNero
Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

Besides reading serve, Roddick's groundstrokes are also too predictable for Fed.
When Duck makes an attempt to attack, Roger can defend succesfully using the slice shot , which completely doesn't work against Nadal for example, hence his match-up issues with Rafa from the beginning of their rivalry.
Apart from the tennis aspects, Federer feels as if he was playing an exho/warm-up against Roddick, we can see no pressure on Roger then, he is playing with a lot of confidence, mainly because Fed knows Rod's agressive gameplan will collapse after couple of points, maybe sets (vide USO 2007).
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