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Today 03:16 AM
selyoink
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Floki View Post
All the minor flaws and yes nit picking (except Arya and Tyrion). That was my point. All these are flaws, yes, but they are minor and didn't ruin the episode for me. You are too obsessed with the "idiotic plan" IMO.
When the central plot line of the episode, season doesn't make any sense it is a difficult flaw to overlook. They don't need Cersei's help, they know she won't help them, so what the hell are they doing. Tyrion has Daenerys acting from a position of weakness immediately after she destroyed the majority of Cersei's army. Tyrion's original blockade plan would actually work now if Daenery's burns Euron's fleet (which should be easy, 3 dragons and boats are made of wood) the city is blockaded and you give safe passage to all the civilians leaving and game over. Tyrion has been one of the smarter people on the show from the beginning and is now the stupidest character on the show (maybe Arya has become even dumber). Varys is just sitting around watching, doing nothing, which is baffling. None of it makes any sense except from Cersei's perspective.

It's not obsessive when the main plot all of the sudden is ridiculous. And I love the show but these last two episodes are among the worst of the series with Eastwatch being the absolute worst of the series. At this point it looks like they are going to fuck up all the amazing work they did through 64 episodes. I have little optimism for the next episode and am mainly hoping they hear the criticism they are getting, learn from it and deliver a great final season.
Yesterday 10:02 PM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

For all who think the plot in the books will be much different, you are obviously wrong.

Winds of Winter book: PROOF Jon Snow and Daenerys will have a BABY? | Books | Entertainment | Express.co.uk

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Speaking with Deadline, he said how Martin basically teased that Jon and Daenerys will end up together – at least in the books.

Taylor harkened back to filming the first season of Game of Thrones when Martin was quite open about his narrative’s future.
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The director said: “He alluded to the fact that Jon and Dany were the point, kind of. That, at the time, there was a huge, vast array of characters, and Jon was a lowly, you know, bastard son.

“So it wasn't clear to us at the time, but he did sort of say things that made it clear that the meeting and the convergence of Jon and Dany were sort of the point of the series.”
So yes, the two of them are the Ice and Fire and the books and the TV series are basically about them.
Sorry Daenerys haters, you will be disappointed either way.
Yesterday 02:16 PM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Seriously dude? Balance for the sake of the plot, you can't just have her cross the sea and take over the kingdom in 3 episodes. Goodbye show.
Why not? "Balance for the sake of the plot" is silly. Completely forced and makes no sense.

She should have just roll over Cersei by now and that could have been done without "burning cities and castles". They had to ruin Tyrion and make him useless and stupid in order to "balance" things and nerf Daenerys. And Varys too.


Also there are many other things to do with the show. Lots of material for 13 episodes.
Yesterday 10:32 AM
Awka Liwen
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Why is that a problem? Daenerys has the dragons, she should be on the throne, why is "balance" needed? She should just roast all enemies like Aegon the Conqueror did. I don't see an issue there. That is the most realistic and reasonable plot. Cersei and Euron should have been gone by now and Night's King roasted very soon.

Just killing a dragon for the sake of some "balance" makes no sense to me.
Seriously dude? Balance for the sake of the plot, you can't just have her cross the sea and take over the kingdom in 3 episodes. Goodbye show.
Yesterday 08:06 AM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Crvena Zvezda View Post
I didn't read the books so I don't know about Martin's philosophy but it is very clear that the HBO show is not only a childish wargame where you just have to kill your ennemy with the bigest weapon possible.

As Daenerys said, The Houses wheel should be broken and common people should trust and not fear their leader anymore.
Burning Westeros to ashes would only bring back Fear Hate and Vendetta

I guess the show will probably turn up more social and philosophical about Death and Life, Impossible love between Aunt and Nephew (even if Targaryen used to do it) and so on...
Who said anything about burning Westeros to ashes? There is no need for that and no one is proposing that.

The show should have been about her breaking the wheel, not about trying to nerf her in order to balance the odds. That is just silly and that is what I am talking about.
Yesterday 08:03 AM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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I wrote the same thing on TF.

Contrary to most people, I don't see many plot holes. A lot of these things can be easily explained or receive a really big benefit of doubt, so it's just pointless (maybe except whighs suddenly swimming )

I am rewatching the early seasons and they had also "plot holes" and time travelling for nitpickers. And a lot of useless screen time wasted on whores or on Pycelle doing gymnastics.

BUT... I still feel flat here. There's a bit of an interesting scene or dialogue here or there, but only a few characters seem to fit their current place. And while I can defend a lot of technical things, none of the episodes this season had me WOW (I even avoided reading spoilers this time around... well except of the one provided in this very thread ).

We started watching a different show than we are watching now.... And books will go same path, sorry to spoil it to you... unless GRRM is following what people are reacting badly to and is re-writing the novels, that's why it takes so long
Well, we all know Haneul is a jerk. He intentionally attempted to spoil the season for us.

Anyway, it is still the same show. Just the focus shifted. Some prefer one some another. And yes I agree it will be the same in the books. Can't wait to see RtD and AP whine about them too.

There are plotholes, but they are minor and people love to bitch and whine about them.

This season is feeling flat for two reasons IMO:
1. Too many spoilers and plot leaks due to season being late. And how did they allow that script leak. That is inexcusable. I am really pissed about it.
2. Everything feels way too rushed, since they simply stole 3 episodes from us and shortened the season from 10 to 7 episodes. That was obvious enough story for 10 episodes, they just wanted to save couple of bucks, which I also don't undesrtand since it seems D&D were the ones who insisted on only 7 episodes while HBO execs wanted 10. That is also inexcusable and ridiculous. Just for this reason, I will be cancelling the HBO as soon as Got Season is over, and I will let them know that is it because they shortened the season. Maybe that will make them rethink and make proper 10 episodes in Season 8.
Yesterday 07:16 AM
Crvena Zvezda
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Floki View Post
Why is that a problem? Daenerys has the dragons, she should be on the throne, why is "balance" needed? She should just roast all enemies like Aegon the Conqueror did. I don't see an issue there. That is the most realistic and reasonable plot. Cersei and Euron should have been gone by now and Night's King roasted very soon.

Just killing a dragon for the sake of some "balance" makes no sense to me.
I didn't read the books so I don't know about Martin's philosophy but it is very clear that the HBO show is not only a childish wargame where you just have to kill your ennemy with the bigest weapon possible.

As Daenerys said, The Houses wheel should be broken and common people should trust and not fear their leader anymore.
Burning Westeros to ashes would only bring back Fear Hate and Vendetta

I guess the show will probably turn up more social and philosophical about Death and Life, Impossible love between Aunt and Nephew (even if Targaryen used to do it) and so on...
Yesterday 06:52 AM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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^ Describes everything that's wrong about the episode, the sum of all the points constituting the goddamn whole episode, and still praises it as one of the best ever... Only a fanboy could ever come to that conclusion. And there are way too many of these fanboys, right now, which explains the ridiculous IMDb scores (for what they're worth) the season has been getting. Fortunately, the general audience is reacting a lot less positively to it (that's at least the general sentiment I've been getting from people around me).

This "Beyond the Wall" affair was absolutely dreadful, bad by any TV standard and terrible for the great show it used to be. I'm never surprised anymore by anything happening because anyone can guess each and every incoming scene. All the characters are almost out of character or plain boring and useless, all barely recognisable. The fairy tale/mythology is taking over the politics and the actual meat of the books, its study of Human condition - and I couldn't care less about the former. Its purpose was to highlight the latter, not the other way around (and it fails to do so too).


I won't be coming back after S7, I believe. I will instead wait patiently for GRRM's last two novels for ASOIAF, and I'll probably get the follow-up the story deserves.
AP subscribes to the same self righteous whiny circles as RtD, where it is quite trendy and popular to hate the show for no good reason and who proclaim everyone who still enjoys the show as fanboys, even though our reasoning is much deeper and much more sane then theirs.

Both have been caught criticizing the show for a plot line or event just because they didn't fully understand or grasp the full extend of it. Both prefer some imaginary "non cliche" nonsense ending where everyone decent dies, just for the sake of it. For example RtD wanting Tormund fighting and killing Hound. How stupid is that?

Both have no argument beside "it is cliche full of plot-holes".

In reality the general audience does not subscribe to these shenanigans and in huge majority still love the show for a good reason. The show is more popular and has more fans and viewers than ever.

All I have to say about these is Good riddance! Keep your whining for the time you will be bitching about GRRM's books that will still not fulfill your silly fetishes about terrible imaginary nonsensical storytelling you prefer and wish for. It is just not happening.
Yesterday 06:38 AM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by selyoink View Post
That is a lot of flaws for a top 5 ever episode (although some of them aren't flaws in my opinion, the chains to pull out the dragon is excessive nitpicking, Benjen can't cross the wall so may as well eliminate him and the Night King's weapons are presumably magical and the ice contrast to fire makes sense it could kill a dragon in my opinion). Personally I'd have it as bottom 10 ever. With episode 5 of this season as the absolute worst episode of the series. The first 4 episodes were between acceptable and amazing with episode 4 as one of the best ever. But the season has derailed in a major way for me and I doubt the next episode will solve anything as this idiotic plot line is still the focus of the episode presumably. And yes Tyrion and especially Arya are just horrible characters now. At this point I want the waif to pull off Arya's face.
All the minor flaws and yes nit picking (except Arya and Tyrion). That was my point. All these are flaws, yes, but they are minor and didn't ruin the episode for me. You are too obsessed with the "idiotic plan" IMO.
Yesterday 06:35 AM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Awka Liwen View Post
This is a very good point. The problem is that bringing three fully grown dragons to the struggle for Westeros is a hard thing to balance. Back when Aegon conquered Westeros he pretty much did that with Balerion alone while his sisters would focus on Dorne. And they pretty much crushed everyone without any allies whatsoever. Dragonfire was so hot that it would literally melt bricks, just look at Harrenhall.

So.. what do you do here? I mean, it must be a rough task for the writters to work with this material because realistically Dani should roast the entire continent south of the wall with Drogon alone. Build a harness, full plate armor for her and just sweep-cook enemy armies and farms away.

Martin is handling things a little bit different in the books since there's a certain Greyjoy crossing the Narrow Sea with a certain horn (story arc I won't spoil) so I'm pretty sure she's not crossing with the three beasts.
Why is that a problem? Daenerys has the dragons, she should be on the throne, why is "balance" needed? She should just roast all enemies like Aegon the Conqueror did. I don't see an issue there. That is the most realistic and reasonable plot. Cersei and Euron should have been gone by now and Night's King roasted very soon.

Just killing a dragon for the sake of some "balance" makes no sense to me.
Yesterday 02:01 AM
Haneul
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Awka Liwen View Post
I personally disliked the "how" more than the "why".

How far and how fast did this guy throw that spear to not only hit but oneshot a dragon?

Like seriously, tell me if this doesn't look like it's been ripped out from a bad fanmade clip.


The reason he managed to oneshot him was because he hit him straight in the neck while he was spitting fire. I think the fire came out from his neck and got fatally wonded.
Yesterday 01:20 AM
Awka Liwen
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by selyoink View Post
I agree with all this but you kill off the dragon in a more meaningful way. For me at least it lacked any emotional response other than "It needed to happen."
I personally disliked the "how" more than the "why".

How far and how fast did this guy throw that spear to not only hit but oneshot a dragon?

Like seriously, tell me if this doesn't look like it's been ripped out from a bad fanmade clip.

Yesterday 12:11 AM
selyoink
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Awka Liwen View Post
This is a very good point. The problem is that bringing three fully grown dragons to the struggle for Westeros is a hard thing to balance. Back when Aegon conquered Westeros he pretty much did that with Balerion alone while his sisters would focus on Dorne. And they pretty much crushed everyone without any allies whatsoever. Dragonfire was so hot that it would literally melt bricks, just look at Harrenhall.

So.. what do you do here? I mean, it must be a rough task for the writters to work with this material because realistically Dani should roast the entire continent south of the wall with Drogon alone. Build a harness, full plate armor for her and just sweep-cook enemy armies and farms away.
I agree with all this but you kill off the dragon in a more meaningful way. For me at least it lacked any emotional response other than "It needed to happen."
Yesterday 12:08 AM
selyoink
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Floki View Post
The issues I have with the episode (most of them already listed in the previous posts):
1. Yes the whole plan is far fetched, and all that only to convince freaking Cersei.
2. Gendry, ravens and dragons must have been really really fast.
3. Chains, where did they get the freaking chains. I guess you could argue they found some in say Hardhome, but who dived into the lake to put them around Viserions neck?
4. How the fuck could Night's King one-shot a freaking Dragon with a javelin just like that? That didn't make sense at all and they didn't explain it. That makes Dragons quite weak weapon against Night's King so what i the point of having them at all. Jost does not add up for me.
5. I expected more of the 7 would die, not just Thoros. I think the episode would have been better and more heartbreaking if that happened - Say Tormund or Jorah, although I like them both a lot.
6. Benjen didn't have to die.
7. Everything about Tyrion.
8. Everything about Arya

But don't let details ruin it for you, beside all this it was one of the best GoT episodes. Top 5 for sure. An amazing one. And I quite enjoyed it.
That is a lot of flaws for a top 5 ever episode (although some of them aren't flaws in my opinion, the chains to pull out the dragon is excessive nitpicking, Benjen can't cross the wall so may as well eliminate him and the Night King's weapons are presumably magical and the ice contrast to fire makes sense it could kill a dragon in my opinion). Personally I'd have it as bottom 10 ever. With episode 5 of this season as the absolute worst episode of the series. The first 4 episodes were between acceptable and amazing with episode 4 as one of the best ever. But the season has derailed in a major way for me and I doubt the next episode will solve anything as this idiotic plot line is still the focus of the episode presumably. And yes Tyrion and especially Arya are just horrible characters now. At this point I want the waif to pull off Arya's face.
08-22-2017 11:58 PM
selyoink
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Ace Pounder View Post
I won't be coming back after S7, I believe. I will instead wait patiently for GRRM's last two novels for ASOIAF, and I'll probably get the follow-up the story deserves.
Good luck with that. Whether he ever finishes has to be in great doubt at this point.
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