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11-07-2012 06:03 PM
Ilovetheblues_86
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

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Originally Posted by latso View Post
He ended Agassi's career, so he doesn't count.



Actually he might be the ultimate example
he was top 50 from january-august2007 and july2009-may2010 and has 1 atp title, I guess injuries hurt him a bit.
Also he came from out of nowhere in 2006 as a 25 year old.
He could have been talented enough to be a top30 player.
11-07-2012 05:12 PM
Xenosys
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

I'm having that problem myself at the moment. Been grinding away for years too. Top Spin 4 on Professional mode can be a real bitch.
11-07-2012 02:56 PM
Uncle Latso
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

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Originally Posted by Ilovetheblues_86 View Post
Benjamin Becker perhaps?

Clearly an underachiever in the atptour.
At least hes someone that cant beat top 30 players, but he hangs pretty well against 50-100 opposition.
He ended Agassi's career, so he doesn't count.



Actually he might be the ultimate example
11-07-2012 01:28 PM
Ilovetheblues_86
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

Benjamin Becker perhaps?

Clearly an underachiever in the atptour.
At least hes someone that cant beat top 30 players, but he hangs pretty well against 50-100 opposition.
11-06-2012 12:00 PM
Ilovetheblues_86
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

Klizan used to be the case, now hes probably an atp player.

Kavcic perhaps, but its not like he was tearing apart the challenger tour in the recent years, although he was one of the best clay courters out there.
11-06-2012 01:53 AM
heya
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

you're old and you know it. Declining alarmingly at age 25, as Federer.
11-05-2012 11:33 PM
leng jai
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

My issue is I'm too good at MTF but not good enough for club level.
11-05-2012 11:13 PM
Action Jackson
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

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Originally Posted by Machado & Gil View Post
I can't remember of a better example than Machado in 2011.
Perfect example.
11-05-2012 08:00 PM
Filo V.
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

Reaching a QF at Wimbledon.
11-05-2012 07:53 PM
Wing Man Frank
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

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Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
A player that makes a Wimbledon QF, Wimbledon R3, Olympics R3, AO R3 twice, is an ATP quality player. That record is better than several players ranked above Lu.
What's better, reaching the final of an ATP event or reaching a QF at Wimbledon?
11-05-2012 07:48 PM
Filo V.
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

A player that makes a Wimbledon QF, Wimbledon R3, Olympics R3, AO R3 twice, is an ATP quality player. That record is better than several players ranked above Lu.
11-05-2012 07:27 PM
Wing Man Frank
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

Having had the quickest of looks through the live rankings, I think I see 3 players above Lu in the rankings who have never played in an ATP final. Goffin (21), Tomic (20) and Soeda (28). There is a pretty good chance that both Goffin and Tomic will eventually reach a final so that makes it one player out of 62 that Lu is behind in career terms.

I'm sure I could list all the players who are behind him in the rankings who have made ATP finals, but I hope you get the point by now.
11-05-2012 07:18 PM
Wing Man Frank
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

What constitutes an ATP player? A player who consistently plays ATP tournaments without achieving any kind of results?
11-05-2012 07:10 PM
Uncle Latso
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

I also disagree rating Lu not an ATP player. He maybe isn't right now, but he's been one for some time.

Players i personally rate Too good for CH and not enough for ATP are - Darcis, Zemlja and Soeda.

The rest either have been ATP in the past (Muller, Hanescu, Ben.Becker etc.) or not too good for CH yet - Ito, Kuznetsov, Zopp.
11-05-2012 05:30 PM
green25814
Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve

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Originally Posted by Wing Man Frank View Post
In the interest of fairness let's also look at his best Slam results:

US Open - 2008 Second Round
French Open First Round - numerous times
Wimbledon - 2010 Quarter-final
Aussie Open - Third Round 2009, 2012

For a 29 year old that record hardly blows you away does it?

What about ATP tour finals? Oh wait, he's never been in a final.
Pretty sure any player who reaches a GS QF is good enough for ATP level. Lu has wins over Murray and Roddick. He's a bad example for this thread.
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