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01-08-2011 10:38 AM
Peta Pan
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Approved

I'm just saying that it's pretty much the reason I didn't vote. I didn't know what I was actually voting for on that point

Yeah, I can tell the difference between the two.. and that's why I was unsure about it. To me it reads that the occasional expletive is not allowed either which seems crazy when it's used all around MTF.
01-07-2011 04:51 AM
Goldenoldie
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

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Originally Posted by Peta Pan View Post
Still kind of anticipating a response to Snoo's post about the 'foul' language to be honest.

What constitute's 'foul' language these days? How do we stop ourselves from being banned?
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Originally Posted by Goldenoldie View Post

Special thanks to those who have given comments and constructive criticisms. These will be analysed over the next few days (or possibly weeks), and if any amendments are thought to be essential they will be made.
Please be patient, and in the meantime follow the maxim "if in doubt, don't". I am sure you and Snoo Foo can both see the difference between an occasional expletive and the stream of invective unleashed by Federer.
01-07-2011 04:26 AM
Peta Pan
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Approved

Still kind of anticipating a response to Snoo's post about the 'foul' language to be honest.

What constitute's 'foul' language these days? How do we stop ourselves from being banned?
01-03-2011 11:28 AM
Goldenoldie
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

The poll is now closed. Thanks to everyone who took the trouble to vote.

The outcome is overwhelmingly in favour of the Code, and although the turnout of around 15% is a little disappointing, it is no worse than some local council elections in the UK!

Your Board considers this result gives a sufficiently strong mandate, and the Code is therefore deemed to form part of the TT rules with immediate effect.

Special thanks to those who have given comments and constructive criticisms. These will be analysed over the next few days (or possibly weeks), and if any amendments are thought to be essential they will be made.

This thread can continue to be used for any further comments players may have as the season progresses.

Thanks again, and enjoy your season.
01-02-2011 01:04 AM
GustavoM_Fan
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

01-01-2011 06:06 PM
Peta Pan
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

I also don't understand the foul language rule. It's not like there is no foul language around the rest of the site, so nothing that posters haven't seen before. I feel it's a bit hard to consider ejecting someone from a tournament for swearing
01-01-2011 04:12 PM
Snoo Foo
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

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Originally Posted by Goldenoldie View Post
3.8 Players will be aware that there are children in the TT ranks, and will refrain from foul language.
Define "foul language." Will I be at risk of being ejected from a tournament if I post "What the fuck is Blake doing?" What about "Why the hell did I pick Blake?" What about "Blake is playing like shit"? And what about non-English "foul language"? Is "cagon" foul language?

Or does "foul language" mean bad grammar, poor spelling, indifferent punctuation, etc.? In which case half the TT players on MTF will be eating a tt-ban by 2nd week of AO.

If we are trying to protect () children from exposure to "foul language" it should be prohibited everywhere on this site, because there are children all over MTF, not just playing TT.

Furthermore any kid who is sophisticated enough to play TT has surely seen and read all kinds of foulness all over the internets. If parents are concerned about their kids reading dirty words, they better get them the hell away from the computer, and if they don't want them hearing dirty words, they better not let them watch tennis, either.

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01-01-2011 02:15 AM
Harry_Callahan
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

I think it's a great job. I think it should be approved to start working with it. And leave an open option for suggestions/ammendments. Maybe during the season a change in any code's article could be made if xx players ask for it.

In my opinion, everything is ok, but maybe managers' rules sometimes look too strict.
01-01-2011 01:45 AM
Nathaliia
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

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Originally Posted by ibreak4coffee View Post

Also this one - "2.18.The manager will treat all players impartially, and will have no regard to personal friendships or animosities". If its necessary even to write this, then the whole game of TT is in trouble.
I think this has been added after it was found out I reportedly run some mafia on MTF and manage TT events to make scarecrows or finishingmove win them.
01-01-2011 01:38 AM
ibreak4coffee
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

I voted for the code because we need one. But I have some comments about this draft - namely, that there are more provisions in the code of conduct for managers than players.

As I remember it, this issue came up originally because of player behaviour, not manager behaviour. Yet in these rules, it does seem as if more of the original problem came from managers. There are 21 provisions managers must abide by, 13 for players.

And the overall provisions seem to make it pretty hard for any manager to comply with everything without giving up their own life. Code 3.3 under players even states - "Players will remember that the manager has a private life, and be prepared to be flexible when necessary" - but the above provisions related to managers are pretty strict and not always very flexible. The 12 hour window for example is great in theory, in practice impossible to enforce as some challengers dont give that much notice themselves to players. And I completely agree diffs should be posted within one hour. But its not always possible - I sometimes get stuck in unanticipated meetings at work and if those ever were to fall at a deadline I'd miss it, as I manage even students will have problems with that. And we're going to demand that from managers, then why dont we demand managers adhere to the start of official play as a deadline to send picks, and not hours earlier than the start of play as Jim you've been forced to do in the past because of personal commitments?

I also dont understand why a manager cant manage a challenger and enter it as they can in these rules for Grand Slams, Masters Series, and 500 tournaments. What's the rationale behind that? Sure there are other options at the challenger level, but I still think its unfair. Assistant managers can be found at the challenger level too.

Also this one - "2.18.The manager will treat all players impartially, and will have no regard to personal friendships or animosities". If its necessary even to write this, then the whole game of TT is in trouble.

Otherwise, thanks Jim for taking the time to draft this and for your efforts to put in place a code. We need it
01-01-2011 12:26 AM
Nathaliia
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

Great work overall, but due to the holiday period in addition with another MTF event I took part in I didn't really have time to update every single bullshit for two weeks for Doha, until today. This is very strict. What are the consequences if someone has time off? Ban from TT? Ban from managing? Who really decides and bases on what? Many things come unexpected. What is the foul language exactly? More/less strict than the general we use on MTF?

It's obvious everybody tries their best, I think we've done so even without any additional rules for a few years; it's all a matter of fair play and being helpful that every human should be.

Will the new players really check the threads? Will they check this conduct? Like we had the Romanian chap this week who subscribed everywhere, eventually didn't read any TT rules and I was explaining things to him step by step via PM. We'll always have ppl new to MTF and TT... it won't solve any problems.

Like Hotzenplotz, I don't vote for or against, it certainly took effort to be prepared and the idea itself counts...
12-31-2010 11:09 PM
Hotzenplotz
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

I'm neither voting for nor against it. I appreciate the idea, the work put into it, and most of the content but believe there are two rules that are too strict on the managers and may cause a problem if there's no over-supply of managers.

2.4 may be a problem for
(i) people who are borderline MD/QD players and therefore may want to wait and see the MD cutoffs before deciding to commit to certain tournaments independent of whether they're the managers.
(ii) people who just badly want to play their home tournaments and who can't manage others because of time zone constraints.
(iii) challenger players who prefer to play the tournaments yielding the higher number of ranking points even if those are the only ones they can manage.

2.14 Expecting managers to respond to questions during the day doesn't seem reasonable as many managers won't be able to do so and, when choosing which tournaments to manage, the manager can't really predict that more than one round will be played on a day.
12-31-2010 05:14 PM
scoobs
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

If you're going to vote AGAINST it, it might be an idea to explain why?
12-30-2010 10:45 PM
Goldenoldie
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

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Might be an idea to fire off some PMs to players and ask them to approve it, some may not be paying attention.
Good idea, but I might try posting in all the tournament threads first.
12-30-2010 10:25 PM
scoobs
Re: TT Code of Conduct - Please vote to approve

Might be an idea to fire off some PMs to players and ask them to approve it, some may not be paying attention.
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