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Endless Djokovic/Murray debates. Do you like their matches?

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Both were born in 1987

Djokovic has 1 GS title and 4 MS titles
Murray has 0 GS title and 2 MS titles
 
#47 ·
Re: Murray vs Djokovic: Who will have the best carrer?

the fact that a player has the best shot on a generation doesn't automatically mean they are best than others, the variety and the consistency are more important :shrug:

Haas has a much better slice than Murray, but Muzza is a more consistent player, his shots are more accurate most of the time and he has a better mental strenght :shrug:
 
#49 ·
Re: Murray vs Djokovic: Who will have the best carrer?

The Englishman
 
#51 ·
Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Murray and Djokovic have been the 2 big guys after Nadal and Federer for the past 2/3 years.

Murray has the better backhand, the better first serve, the better movement, the better volleys and much better slice, lobs and tactics.

Djokovic only has one thing better than Murray: the second serve.

But what about the forehand?

Djokovic's can break down badly and he shanks it a lot.
Murray's is very consistent, has a lot of spin and can gets very deep and can get some sting on it too.

In my opinion, Murray's forehand is much better, for these reasons:

1. Much more consistent. He never goes into a faze where he just shanks it all the time, which Djokovic does from time to time.
2. It gets deeper more often and more spin is on it, which is harder to control for the opponent, while Djokovic's is usually bigger but doesn't go very deep.
3. Murray's pass on that side is phenomenal, Djokovic's isn't.

So what do you think?
Who has the better forehand?
Murray or Djokovic?

As I said above, I think Murray's forehand is better than Djokovic's, but what do you think?

Discuss......
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Murray and Djokovic have been the 2 big guys after Nadal and Federer for the past 2/3 years.

Murray has the better backhand, the better first serve, the better movement, the better volleys and much better slice, lobs and tactics.

Djokovic only has one thing better than Murray: the second serve.

But what about the forehand?

Djokovic's can break down badly and he shanks it a lot.
Murray's is very consistent, has a lot of spin and can gets very deep and can get some sting on it too.

In my opinion, Murray's forehand is much better, for these reasons:

1. Much more consistent. He never goes into a faze where he just shanks it all the time, which Djokovic does from time to time.
2. It gets deeper more often and more spin is on it, which is harder to control for the opponent, while Djokovic's is usually bigger but doesn't go very deep.
3. Murray's pass on that side is phenomenal, Djokovic's isn't.

So what do you think?
Who has the better forehand?
Murray or Djokovic?

As I said above, I think Murray's forehand is better than Djokovic's, but what do you think?

Discuss......

I can't even explain how wrong you are. about the step1, 2, and 3.

1. Djokovic has one of the best forehands for a typical base game. He can hit it left or right at command. It's not as accurate as Murray's forehand (arguably the most accurate on tour), but it's enough for Djokovic to break down his opponents weak forehands and take them out in a few small rallies.

2. Bigger but not deeper?? This is ridiculously wrong. Djokovic forehand has some weight on it. But it's known to be arguably the DEEPEST forehand on the tour. I suggest you watch Djokovic vs Federer semifinal at the U.S. Open 2008, Federer had to literally bend on his knees to whip some forehands back into play. Those forehands by Djokovic are ridiculously massive. He can hit the deep ends of the line. Why do you think it is that Federer gets so frustrated when he's about to play Djokovic at the slams?? It's because of this reason, if Federer's footwork is off JUST SLIGHTLY, he won't be able to bring back Nole's attack. It's a pain in the ass to play him. Nadal also has problems on hard courts in the past when he faced Djokovic for similar reasons, his DEEP forehands would throw these top tier players all over the place. Especially when he hits it all the way to the left or right.

3. Haven't paid too much attention on the "pass" so I can't comment.

But if we averaged out the utility of their forehands, I would definitely purchase a Djokovic forehand over Murray's any time of the year. Murray's accuracy is not enough to allow him to escape in all situations against the likes of power players like Gonzalez, Federer, Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga, Roddick (preferably when he's on), Cilic, Del Potro etc. Although he did defeat Del Potro at the U.S. Open, and that's because Del Potro's skill level wasn't as good as Murray's yet. Djokovic will probably join this list if he faces Murray at a slam.

But almost all the players I mentioned above crushed him with power games at the slams. Murray's accurate forehand works on lower level ranked players, and 1 dimensional players. But against players with massive forehands, he'll have to come with a lot of accuracy and a ridiculously strong defense to survive at the slams.
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Nole's. Not really close.
Djokovic and its not even close
Djokovic and it's not even close.
Really?
Murray's is more consistent, has more topspin on it and goes deeper more often.
Djokovic's can go into fazes where he just shanks it or dumps it into the net.
That never happens to Murray.
I can't even explain how wrong you are. about the step1, 2, and 3.

1. Djokovic has one of the best forehands for a typical base game. He can hit it left or right at command. It's not as accurate as Murray's forehand (arguably the most accurate on tour), but it's enough for Djokovic to break down his opponents weak forehands and take them out in a few small rallies.
Djokovic's can be big, yes, but it can also be extremely rubbish and go into games where he just shanks it or hits it into the net.
Murray's never goes into one of those fazes, is much more accurate, gets more depth than Djokovic's, has more topspin and can get some sting on it too.
2. Bigger but not deeper?? This is ridiculously wrong. Djokovic forehand has some weight on it. But it's known to be arguably the DEEPEST forehand on the tour. I suggest you watch Djokovic vs Federer semifinal at the U.S. Open 2008, Federer had to literally bend on his knees to whip some forehands back into play. Those forehands by Djokovic are ridiculously massive. He can hit the deep ends of the line. Why do you think it is that Federer gets so frustrated when he's about to play Djokovic at the slams?? It's because of this reason, if Federer's footwork is off JUST SLIGHTLY, he won't be able to bring back Nole's attack. It's a pain in the ass to play him. Nadal also has problems on hard courts in the past when he faced Djokovic for similar reasons, his DEEP forehands would throw these top tier players all over the place. Especially when he hits it all the way to the left or right.
As I said, Murray's goes deeper more often. Djokovic's is obviously much better, but power isn't everything. When it comes to tactics, consistency and reliability then Murray's is better. Much more consistent, much more spin, can get some power on it, better slice, better depth (most of the time) and much moer accurate.
3. Haven't paid too much attention on the "pass" so I can't comment.
Murray's pass is BY FAR better than Djokovic's.
I'm not even going to bother explaining why Murray's is better.
But if we averaged out the utility of their forehands, I would definitely purchase a Djokovic forehand over Murray's any time of the year. Murray's accuracy is not enough to allow him to escape in all situations against the likes of power players like Gonzalez, Federer, Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga, Roddick (preferably when he's on), Cilic, Del Potro etc. Although he did defeat Del Potro at the U.S. Open, and that's because Del Potro's skill level wasn't as good as Murray's yet. Djokovic will probably join this list if he faces Murray at a slam.
But almost all the players I mentioned above crushed him with power games at the slams. Murray's accurate forehand works on lower level ranked players, and 1 dimensional players. But against players with massive forehands, he'll have to come with a lot of accuracy and a ridiculously strong defense to survive at the slams.
Murray's forehand isn't the only reason he gets defeated by those players. He just wasn't playing well against them, and they were playing well. It had nothing to do with the forehand.
Most of those guys have bigger forehands, but only Del Potro, Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga and Federer have better forehands than Murray. Goznalez's is big, but that's it. Nothing else to it than just power. Same with Cilic, except his is worse. Roddick's is weaker than Murray's, even if he's on or not, and doesn't have any accuracy or depth on it.

Murray's forehand is better when it comes to accuracy, than all of them, except maybe Federer's.
When it comes to reliability and consistency, only Federer's is better too.
murray is better than djokovic according to OP, but still murray is 5th and Djokovic is 3rd :)
Murray got almost 3/4 of his rankings points from 3 tournaments. Djokovic has played tonnes of tournaments, much more than Murray, and he's not very far infront of him. Only 200/300 points.
Djokovic also gets chokers, rubbish opponents and easy draws. He hardly ever gets world class players, and when he does, he loses most of the time.
looool...are you serious man, i'm starting to be really concerned about your mental health..pls look at this picture above
What does this have to do woth my mental health? :confused:
Murray has a better forehand than Djokovic. He has better one than Cilic too.
Blindovic by a mile.

Next.
No, Murray's of overall is more consistent, accurate and reliable.
Seriously, MTF retardation had reached new lows. First Federer's_Mug (see signature) then this kidiot.
Federer's Mate was right.

You have nothing good to say?
He's also correct about Isner.
Djokovic's forehand is actually a great shot when it's on. Murray's forehand, even at its best, is mediocre.
Murray's forehand, at its best, is a great weapon. It has accuracy, reliability and POWER on it.
Normally though, it's not very powerful, but far more reliable, accurate, deeper and consistent than Djokovic's.
In other words, Murray's is overall better.

Djokovic can win slams with his forehand.

That's the only difference that matters, and it's huge.

What a fucking ridiculous thread.
Djokovic can't win slams with just his forehand :rolleyes:
His forehand is very average a lot of the time.
Nothing really special about it.
At its best, it's a great shot, but normally (usually he's in crap form) it's not very special and rather average.
 
#53 ·
Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Djokovic has a better rally forehand; Murray has a better forehand pass and forehand return.
 
#55 ·
Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Djokovic and its not even close
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

looool...are you serious man, i'm starting to be really concerned about your mental health..pls look at this picture above
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

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#65 ·
Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Djokovic and it's not even close.
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Seriously, MTF retardation had reached new lows. First Federer's_Mug (see signature) then this kidiot.

On a completely unrelated note, who do you guys think has a better serve: Roddick or Davydenko?
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Seriously, MTF retardation had reached new lows. First Federer's_Mug (see signature) then this kidiot.

On a completely unrelated note, who do you guys think has a better serve: Roddick or Davydenko?
Well done you've managed to miss when presented with an open goal to slag Murray off.

Murray's FH pass is arguably better than Djokovic's and at least close. That's an insignificant factor when compared to the more important ways it's worse, but in no aspect is Davydenko's serve close to equal to Roddick's.

I'm seriously starting to wonder if you are a Murray fan Typhoon, a thread like this was never going to develop in any other way.
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Murray has a better forehand pass, mainly because he has better movement at the baseline - not better speed or footwork per se, but better tactical sense and precognition while under pressure. This allows him to hit his running forehand pass from a better position than most - maybe even better than Nadal's running backhand, and certainly better than Djokovic.

Djokovic lacks the raw physical strength of Del Potro or Soderling, but he can sometimes hit insanely overpowered forehands because of his superior flexibility.

Let's compare something less obvious next time, like who among the two speaks better English?
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

The Matador said:
yeah summed it up perfectly one thing i would add is that djokovic can hit his forehand consistently harder than murray he can hit clean winners mid rally which murray rarely ever does
Yes - consistent aggression is what sets them apart. There's a reason why Murray plays best as a counterpuncher.

IS this a joke? Murray's loopy forehand is probably his weakest weapon. Djokovic's, especially on return is one of the tour's best. Compare their backhand's and it will be a totally different story.
I think Murray has a more reliable forehand return than Djokovic - mainly because of backswing and differences in grip (Djokovic has a full backswing and a western forehand grip; Murray uses an abbreviated backswing + semiwestern). You often see players targeting Novak's forehand when serving down break points, etc.

You could argue that Djokovic is more dangerous with his forehand return though, but overall I think Murray is a better returner - not just from the forehand wing, but on the whole. The difference is minimal though, unlike the disparity between these two players' forehands.
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Djokovic is capable of hitting through opponents with his forehand on a consistent basis. I would take his forehand anyday over Murray. Murray's forehand is quite mediocre for a top talent. This is basically what results in his slam losses when opponents pick apart his game especially his forehand.
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Murray's forehand is on a par with Gasquet's as to how ineffective that particular shot is. Novak's forehand is on a different planet overall compared to Murray and when it's on it's one of the best in the game.

Yes Murray's got a good forehand pass, but he only ever goes cross-court so it's extremely predictable all be it effective most of the time. It still baffles me when players come to the net on Murray's forehand and cover down the line! Players still play to Murray's backhand too often for me and if you look at the matches when Murray's lost more often than not it's because the majority of the match has been played to his forehand, the most recent example of this was Monfils in Paris. He got his tactics spot on.

People always say Murray hasn't won a slam yet is because he's too defensive, but it's his lack of weight on the forehand side that constantly lets him down in a game where every mother and her dog has a big forehand.
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Murray's forehand is on a par with Gasquet's as to how ineffective that particular shot is. Novak's forehand is on a different planet overall compared to Murray and when it's on it's one of the best in the game.

Yes Murray's got a good forehand pass, but he only ever goes cross-court so it's extremely predictable all be it effective most of the time. It still baffles me when players come to the net on Murray's forehand and cover down the line! Players still play to Murray's backhand too often for me and if you look at the matches when Murray's lost more often than not it's because the majority of the match has been played to his forehand, the most recent example of this was Monfils in Paris. He got his tactics spot on.

People always say Murray hasn't won a slam yet is because he's too defensive, but it's his lack of weight on the forehand side that constantly lets him down in a game where every mother and her dog has a big forehand.

+1000000000000000000000000
 
#77 ·
Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Djokovic's forehand, by far. I think Murray just has a very good running forehand cross court. He passes very well on the run, but you can't count it as a real aggressive weapon, but Nole's is a very reliable weapon. He can construct points off his forehand much better than Andy, Nole's wind shield wiper swing lets him to put much more topspin on the ball compared to Andy.
I believe overall you can't compare these two at all.
 
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Re: Who Has The Better Forehand? Murray or Djokovic?

Nole's
And by so much that there is no need to discuss this any more :D
 
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