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09-01-2016 12:52 PM
redshift36188
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by Sunflowerseed View Post
I thought they used their non-hitting arm?

It seems wrong to do it immediately before a match, but a couple of days in advance of a tournament seems reasonable. For men in particular, who tend to have larger veins closer to the surface, then a blood test shouldn't take long to recover from at all, if they do it right.
Yeah, that's the least they could do.
09-01-2016 12:51 PM
redshift36188
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by Sunflowerseed View Post
I thought they used their non-hitting arm?

It seems wrong to do it immediately before a match, but a couple of days in advance of a tournament seems reasonable. For men in particular, who tend to have larger veins closer to the surface, then a blood test shouldn't take long to recover from at all, if they do it right.
I take an intravenous medication every 8 weeks which involves the insertion of a catheter that stays for around 3 hours. I usually have no problems since I have large veins but sometimes (if the catheter is not perfectly placed) it still hurts a bit on the same day if I touch the spot or use force with the muscles of the area.

Ofc, drawing blood with a simple needle is a lesser invasion but it can leave a hematoma and swell for those with narrow veins.

Tough situation, I guess she can't have an exemption or she could have more freedom with doping. There's still the urinary tests and in her case checking for intravenous doping is easy if you do it very regularly since all you have to do is check for a hematoma, but there's non-intravenous doping.
09-01-2016 07:01 AM
Sunflowerseed
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

I thought they used their non-hitting arm?

It seems wrong to do it immediately before a match, but a couple of days in advance of a tournament seems reasonable. For men in particular, who tend to have larger veins closer to the surface, then a blood test shouldn't take long to recover from at all, if they do it right.
09-01-2016 04:36 AM
Kat_YYZ
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

Interesting story about a tennis player having an adverse reaction to having their blood drawn. One wonders if she's just making excuses for the loss. On the other hand, she didn't refuse to be tested, even knowing this might happen.

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Madison Brengle says the arm injury that caused her to retire from her first-round match at the U.S. Open was a reaction to a drug test she took leading up to the tournament.

Brengle told The News Journal of Wilmington, Delaware that she has a vein condition, which caused her arm to swell following a random blood test on Saturday.

She retired down a set and a break to 16-year-old wild card Kayla Day. Following the match, the right-hander said hitting her forehand had been like "getting hit by lightning," and she could not keep playing despite two medical breaks for her right arm.

"Every time I get one of these tests the same thing happens, and I tried my best to get ready," she said. "The only way it gets better is with rest and time. I’ve had work with the physios and I’ve [been] sleeping with the compression sleeve, but it just takes time to heal."

The 26-year-old said she had a similar experience with a blood test following Wimbledon.

Madison Brengle: Bad reaction to drug test forced me to retire from U.S. Open | TENNIS.com
But it's strange that she's being blood tested so early and before a match. I thought they test the losers of matches until the final and then they test both winner and finalist.
07-13-2016 09:54 AM
philosophicalarf
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Just wanted to record here, FWIW, that I found a brief report from a couple of weeks ago saying that Wimbledon 2016 was going to be carrying out additional drug testing over and above what's normally done.
Yep.

The last tournament to do this was Roland Garros 2009. Some interesting results there also.
07-13-2016 06:42 AM
Sunflowerseed
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Just wanted to record here, FWIW, that I found a brief report from a couple of weeks ago saying that Wimbledon 2016 was going to be carrying out additional drug testing over and above what's normally done.
Not just at Wimbledon. The Championships were going to provide additional funding to allow extra testing at the warm-up events too, including at Halle.

I remember that last Olympic year there was IOC funded extra testing happening around about this time too. Hopefully that's been happening again.
07-13-2016 01:11 AM
alypen
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

Just wanted to record here, FWIW, that I found a brief report from a couple of weeks ago saying that Wimbledon 2016 was going to be carrying out additional drug testing over and above what's normally done.
06-21-2016 04:49 AM
atennisfan
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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WADA president Craig Reedie says he took pleasure from nailing Maria Sharapova as "she earns more money in 1 year than WADA's entire budget"

That's just... wow.. so moronic thing to say by someone in his position? Also these words are interesting because it's kind of reverse MTF thinking - a lot of people think here that big names are untouchable and WADA president says it's even bigger pleasure for him to catch big fish.
WADA is not ITF or ATP/WTA.

Give WADA much bigger funding, and they'll be able to catch much bigger and many more fish.
06-20-2016 04:30 PM
AnnaK_4ever
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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ITF has a conflict of interest in catching the big fish. WADA not so much.
This.

People, Sharapova's attorney included, still fail to understand that WADA does not issue bans, WADA does not punish athletes. WADA does treat all the athletes equally, international federations, on the other hand, do not.
06-20-2016 03:38 PM
Myrre
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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WADA president Craig Reedie says he took pleasure from nailing Maria Sharapova as "she earns more money in 1 year than WADA's entire budget"

That's just... wow.. so moronic thing to say by someone in his position? Also these words are interesting because it's kind of reverse MTF thinking - a lot of people think here that big names are untouchable and WADA president says it's even bigger pleasure for him to catch big fish.
ITF has a conflict of interest in catching the big fish. WADA not so much.
06-20-2016 12:43 PM
AnnaK_4ever
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

06-20-2016 12:37 PM
Dmitry Verdasco
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by augus View Post
WADA president Craig Reedie says he took pleasure from nailing Maria Sharapova as "she earns more money in 1 year than WADA's entire budget"

That's just... wow.. so moronic thing to say by someone in his position? Also these words are interesting because it's kind of reverse MTF thinking - a lot of people think here that big names are untouchable and WADA president says it's even bigger pleasure for him to catch big fish.
What a dumb thing for him to say. Giving me 'Making a Murderer' teas.
06-20-2016 11:57 AM
augus
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

WADA president Craig Reedie says he took pleasure from nailing Maria Sharapova as "she earns more money in 1 year than WADA's entire budget"

That's just... wow.. so moronic thing to say by someone in his position? Also these words are interesting because it's kind of reverse MTF thinking - a lot of people think here that big names are untouchable and WADA president says it's even bigger pleasure for him to catch big fish.
06-15-2016 09:28 PM
Sunflowerseed
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by Chris Kuerten View Post

Thug life.
I confirm that I donate more than that in a single session. Whimps! No KitKat for them.

But I'm not sure what sort of schedule they follow, so not sure how useful it is to compare what wrestlers do with a tennis player with a full schedule. But obviously micro-blood-doping might be the required approach for a tennis player.
06-15-2016 08:24 PM
Chris Kuerten
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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True. Well, I'm not convinced that I'd want to go injecting myself with EPO and steroids for health reasons, nor would I not worry about getting caught. But I take the point that blood transfusions isn't a particularly convenient means of doping, given the schedule.

I'm a regular blood donor, and was reading up on how long it takes to recover your iron levels recently, and it takes a while, even if you have an iron-rich diet. There is talk of reducing the minimum period between donations and I have reduced the frequency with which I give to just twice a year. Obviously, that's more of an issue for women who have a higher daily requirement, but still something to consider. I notice it if I climb a lot of stairs in the following couple of days, so while you get the blood back again, you would have to pick your donation times wisely.

I suppose they wouldn't need to donate a full unit each time, but it you are making yourself vulnerable if you donate before a tournament or a training block. You could do it at the start of the off-season, or if you have an injury break of a few weeks.

But come to think of it, if you are going to indulge in blood doping, you can probably find a doctor who will give you an iron injection, and other supplements that will speed up the recovery from a donation, so my experience down the Scout Hall may not be that insightful. I bet they don't even get a Tunnock's Tea Cake after either!

Thug life.
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