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02-05-2016 07:23 AM
Chris Kuerten
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/...tics/data.aspx

2015 data has been released. A maximum of six in-competition tests

-edit- A couple of them are actually at 7+, which is probably 7. But top guys like Djokovic, Federer and Nadal are at six.

Puerto case update:
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On Saturday, MARCA said that the long-awaited final verdict on the appeal for the Operación Puerto anti-doping investigation will not now be published in January, as had been widely claimed, because the three judges overseeing the case have been unable to reach an agreement on what that verdict should be.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/span...-compensation/
02-05-2016 06:48 AM
masterclass
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

Just a gentle reminder that this thread is where the doping/anti-doping related posts belong, not in the more specific Oxygene thread.

Hopefully,
masterclass
12-27-2015 08:58 PM
AndyNonomous
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

NFL icon Peyton Manning connected to HGH.


I guarantee you that some pro tennis players are using this substance (as well as similar substance IGF-1). Of course, Odesnik got caught with HGH (not by the ITF however).

Do you know anyone who has dramatic strength fluctuations that leads to a forehand that goes deep in one tournament, then short in the next ?

How about someone who has a serve speed that goes up and down like a yo-yo ?

How many tennis players have been caught by the ITF's new "BioPassport" so far ?
12-06-2015 03:44 PM
Fujee
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

Fact/Fiction, who even cares anyway...
12-06-2015 03:37 PM
Chris Kuerten
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Spanish are clean, no?
If it's up to the Spanish court that has to rule if the blood bags can be tested, that will remain the official stance, yes.
12-06-2015 03:26 PM
Fujee
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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There is a strong 0% chance of this actually happening.
Spanish are clean, no?
12-06-2015 02:35 PM
Chris Kuerten
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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We shall see in January if Eufemiano's cheats really are safe or finally about to exposed. Let's hope for the latter

Imagine all those blood bags, with Fuentes admitting Tennis clients composed some of that.. well we're in for a beautiful scandal which will finally show the farce that is 'clean Tennis'.

Operacion Puerto appeals sentence due for January 2016 | Cyclingnews.com
There is a strong 0% chance of this actually happening.
12-06-2015 12:21 AM
Method Man
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by Fujee View Post
We shall see in January if Eufemiano's cheats really are safe or finally about to exposed. Let's hope for the latter

Imagine all those blood bags, with Fuentes admitting Tennis clients composed some of that.. well we're in for a beautiful scandal which will finally show the farce that is 'clean Tennis'.

Operacion Puerto appeals sentence due for January 2016 | Cyclingnews.com
Ahhhh you're playing with me man. I won't get my hopes up.
12-06-2015 12:00 AM
Fujee
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

We shall see in January if Eufemiano's cheats really are safe or finally about to exposed. Let's hope for the latter

Imagine all those blood bags, with Fuentes admitting Tennis clients composed some of that.. well we're in for a beautiful scandal which will finally show the farce that is 'clean Tennis'.

Operacion Puerto appeals sentence due for January 2016 | Cyclingnews.com
11-23-2015 05:28 PM
masterclass
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Turning a blind eye is good for business, no?

ATP secures record $160m in deals as sponsors flock to 'clean' image. The boss of the ATP said that tennis's reputation as a 'clean' sport was helping it attract blockbuster sponsorship deals

ATP secures record $160m in deals as sponsors flock to 'clean' image - Telegraph

"US Anti-Doping Agency chief executive Travis Tygart said on Wednesday the International Cycling Union (UCI) did all it could to stall its doping investigation into Lance Armstrong.

“At every turn the UCI attempted to obstruct our efforts to reveal the truth,” Tygart told a special hearing of the Bundestag sports committee.

He added that the cycling body still “appears to be irresponsibly trying to script a self-interested ending to this affair.”

The US Anti-Doping Agency chief executive added actions of the world governing body of cycling highlighted the need for doping agencies to have “true independence” to avoid any conflicts of interest arising from running the sport. He also remarked that the United States Anti-Doping Agency fulfills its duties to catch drug cheats because “it does not have a conflicting duty to also protect the image of the sport it serves, or of commercial factors such as obligations to sponsors, owners or investors.” “I was shocked that (sporting) federations here still handle doping cases. It’s what we call the fox guarding the hen house.”



Respectfully,
masterclass
11-23-2015 12:54 PM
f1yer
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

No place for testing in skill based sports.

Even if we believe that It helps in some way physical recovery in tennis why would top players risk so much for such little reward.

Ppl arguing nole to be tested more need to realise what may be the motivation for him to risk throwing his rep and the prize money and sponsors ... He is already leagues ahead.
11-23-2015 01:04 AM
Chris Kuerten
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by Myrre View Post
Turning a blind eye is good for business, no?

ATP secures record $160m in deals as sponsors flock to 'clean' image. The boss of the ATP said that tennis's reputation as a 'clean' sport was helping it attract blockbuster sponsorship deals

ATP secures record $160m in deals as sponsors flock to 'clean' image - Telegraph
Absolutely repulsive.
11-22-2015 10:12 PM
Myrre
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

Turning a blind eye is good for business, no?

ATP secures record $160m in deals as sponsors flock to 'clean' image. The boss of the ATP said that tennis's reputation as a 'clean' sport was helping it attract blockbuster sponsorship deals

ATP secures record $160m in deals as sponsors flock to 'clean' image - Telegraph
11-16-2015 07:50 PM
Sunflowerseed
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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I don't know if it is true that they will always test clean straight after a match. Probably depends on the drug. After all, to benefit most during the match, it seems the micro-dose of the drug would need to be in their system to some extent. Seems pretty risky. But certainly if one waits to the next day after a match to test, it is probable the drug will have been eliminated.

Still, for the sake of argument, let's say there is a drug or drugs that can still benefit the player during a match, even if it is undetectable straight after match end. Then I would agree a test at times other than straight after match would also help to deter, the night before the match for example.

Anyway, the scientific details of drugs' detectable limits and so forth needs to be taken into account in testing program strategies by testing advisory experts, who should also be knowledgeable with doping strategies.

Respectfully,
masterclass
I think the idea that one sort of testing will prevent/catch all drug cheats is unrealistic. The ones done after matches make it more difficult to get away with taking certain drugs, but will be useless against others. The testing done first thing in the morning might detect substances that a player might use overnight to boost recovery, but not something a player might take just before a match to perk themselves up.

Once you accept that performance enhancing drugs are useful to aid recovery, or to allow longer practice sessions, then it makes sense that testing needs to be done in different ways, and at different times within a player's training and competing schedules.

IMO, retaining samples with the promise of retests is a strong deterrent. Your doping doctor might insist that the micro-dosing will be undetectable by 7am, but maybe in five years time the limits of detection will be much lower, or they will test for a metabolite instead? That will discourage a few.

I'm also convinced that it's too easy to abuse the medical exemptions system. I'd like to see a lot more transparency in how many notes are given, and for which substances and why.
11-16-2015 07:31 PM
Fujee
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

Shockingly low blood test numbers.
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