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07-13-2016 09:54 AM
philosophicalarf
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by alypen View Post
Just wanted to record here, FWIW, that I found a brief report from a couple of weeks ago saying that Wimbledon 2016 was going to be carrying out additional drug testing over and above what's normally done.
Yep.

The last tournament to do this was Roland Garros 2009. Some interesting results there also.
07-13-2016 06:42 AM
Sunflowerseed
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Just wanted to record here, FWIW, that I found a brief report from a couple of weeks ago saying that Wimbledon 2016 was going to be carrying out additional drug testing over and above what's normally done.
Not just at Wimbledon. The Championships were going to provide additional funding to allow extra testing at the warm-up events too, including at Halle.

I remember that last Olympic year there was IOC funded extra testing happening around about this time too. Hopefully that's been happening again.
07-13-2016 01:11 AM
alypen
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

Just wanted to record here, FWIW, that I found a brief report from a couple of weeks ago saying that Wimbledon 2016 was going to be carrying out additional drug testing over and above what's normally done.
06-21-2016 04:49 AM
atennisfan
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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WADA president Craig Reedie says he took pleasure from nailing Maria Sharapova as "she earns more money in 1 year than WADA's entire budget"

That's just... wow.. so moronic thing to say by someone in his position? Also these words are interesting because it's kind of reverse MTF thinking - a lot of people think here that big names are untouchable and WADA president says it's even bigger pleasure for him to catch big fish.
WADA is not ITF or ATP/WTA.

Give WADA much bigger funding, and they'll be able to catch much bigger and many more fish.
06-20-2016 04:30 PM
AnnaK_4ever
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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ITF has a conflict of interest in catching the big fish. WADA not so much.
This.

People, Sharapova's attorney included, still fail to understand that WADA does not issue bans, WADA does not punish athletes. WADA does treat all the athletes equally, international federations, on the other hand, do not.
06-20-2016 03:38 PM
Myrre
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by augus View Post
WADA president Craig Reedie says he took pleasure from nailing Maria Sharapova as "she earns more money in 1 year than WADA's entire budget"

That's just... wow.. so moronic thing to say by someone in his position? Also these words are interesting because it's kind of reverse MTF thinking - a lot of people think here that big names are untouchable and WADA president says it's even bigger pleasure for him to catch big fish.
ITF has a conflict of interest in catching the big fish. WADA not so much.
06-20-2016 12:43 PM
AnnaK_4ever
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

06-20-2016 12:37 PM
Dmitry Verdasco
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by augus View Post
WADA president Craig Reedie says he took pleasure from nailing Maria Sharapova as "she earns more money in 1 year than WADA's entire budget"

That's just... wow.. so moronic thing to say by someone in his position? Also these words are interesting because it's kind of reverse MTF thinking - a lot of people think here that big names are untouchable and WADA president says it's even bigger pleasure for him to catch big fish.
What a dumb thing for him to say. Giving me 'Making a Murderer' teas.
06-20-2016 11:57 AM
augus
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

WADA president Craig Reedie says he took pleasure from nailing Maria Sharapova as "she earns more money in 1 year than WADA's entire budget"

That's just... wow.. so moronic thing to say by someone in his position? Also these words are interesting because it's kind of reverse MTF thinking - a lot of people think here that big names are untouchable and WADA president says it's even bigger pleasure for him to catch big fish.
06-15-2016 09:28 PM
Sunflowerseed
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by Chris Kuerten View Post
I confirm that I donate more than that in a single session. Whimps! No KitKat for them.

But I'm not sure what sort of schedule they follow, so not sure how useful it is to compare what wrestlers do with a tennis player with a full schedule. But obviously micro-blood-doping might be the required approach for a tennis player.
06-15-2016 08:24 PM
Chris Kuerten
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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True. Well, I'm not convinced that I'd want to go injecting myself with EPO and steroids for health reasons, nor would I not worry about getting caught. But I take the point that blood transfusions isn't a particularly convenient means of doping, given the schedule.

I'm a regular blood donor, and was reading up on how long it takes to recover your iron levels recently, and it takes a while, even if you have an iron-rich diet. There is talk of reducing the minimum period between donations and I have reduced the frequency with which I give to just twice a year. Obviously, that's more of an issue for women who have a higher daily requirement, but still something to consider. I notice it if I climb a lot of stairs in the following couple of days, so while you get the blood back again, you would have to pick your donation times wisely.

I suppose they wouldn't need to donate a full unit each time, but it you are making yourself vulnerable if you donate before a tournament or a training block. You could do it at the start of the off-season, or if you have an injury break of a few weeks.

But come to think of it, if you are going to indulge in blood doping, you can probably find a doctor who will give you an iron injection, and other supplements that will speed up the recovery from a donation, so my experience down the Scout Hall may not be that insightful. I bet they don't even get a Tunnock's Tea Cake after either!
06-15-2016 07:39 PM
Sunflowerseed
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by Chris Kuerten View Post
Blood transfusions seem like a big hassle for tennis players anyway, when they can simply inject themselves with EPO and steroids without having to worry about getting caught.
True. Well, I'm not convinced that I'd want to go injecting myself with EPO and steroids for health reasons, nor would I not worry about getting caught. But I take the point that blood transfusions isn't a particularly convenient means of doping, given the schedule.

I'm a regular blood donor, and was reading up on how long it takes to recover your iron levels recently, and it takes a while, even if you have an iron-rich diet. There is talk of reducing the minimum period between donations and I have reduced the frequency with which I give to just twice a year. Obviously, that's more of an issue for women who have a higher daily requirement, but still something to consider. I notice it if I climb a lot of stairs in the following couple of days, so while you get the blood back again, you would have to pick your donation times wisely.

I suppose they wouldn't need to donate a full unit each time, but it you are making yourself vulnerable if you donate before a tournament or a training block. You could do it at the start of the off-season, or if you have an injury break of a few weeks.

But come to think of it, if you are going to indulge in blood doping, you can probably find a doctor who will give you an iron injection, and other supplements that will speed up the recovery from a donation, so my experience down the Scout Hall may not be that insightful. I bet they don't even get a Tunnock's Tea Cake after either!
06-15-2016 06:09 PM
atennisfan
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

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Originally Posted by Troll Hunter View Post
Operation Puerto: Blood bags in doping case to be handed over - Spanish court

Operation Puerto: Blood bags in doping case to be handed over - Spanish court - BBC Sport
I am frankly shocked!

SHOCKED!

In a good way, but still cautious.
06-15-2016 11:10 AM
Method Man
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Blood transfusions seem like a big hassle for tennis players anyway, when they can simply inject themselves with EPO and steroids without having to worry about getting caught.
There's now a steroid that supposedly carries no negative side effects.
06-15-2016 10:41 AM
Chris Kuerten
Re: Doping in Tennis Thread (No accusations without proof. Wada IC report published)

Blood transfusions seem like a big hassle for tennis players anyway, when they can simply inject themselves with EPO and steroids without having to worry about getting caught.
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