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01-29-2009 03:30 PM
daze11
Re: the French Closed thread

let us re-open the closed french thread...if only for a moment.

I was researching something totally off-topic to this 2004 french final, but sure enough, here was this article. AMAZING pre-cognition on Guille's part here, just a week before the 04 french begins...


"This is the first time I feel coming into a Grand Slam tournament that I'm prepared to win it," Coria said last week. "But I need to use this feeling in a positive way, because if I put too much pressure on myself and think about the end result, it's dangerous.

"The key is to be relaxed, like any other tournament, even though we all know it's not another tournament."

INDEED!!!! BUt just in general, its a great informative article, and reminds one just HOW MUCH pressure there was on that match for "THE" argentine to win & save the country from all its woes! http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/05/...ld_ed3__83.php

enjoy...
06-12-2007 05:29 AM
wenty
Re: the French Closed thread

Good work Rafa Congratulations for the hat-trick
06-11-2007 08:29 PM
rubsch
Re: the French Closed thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxy View Post
rubsch, it is Guille's forum not Feds one. You got it wrong.
It is not the place where you can praise your idol. Your guy has a forum too. Please visit it.
I also can list the reasons why i prefer NAD over Fed but it is not polite as it is Guille's forum.
After all I am a true Guille fan.

Sorry for the offtopic.
So I am not a true Guille fan because I praise Federer? And I am doing that in Guilles forum, oh my goodness! Just for you to remember: this thread was opened to discuss the French Open and I think I am right when I say there isn't anything we could discuss about Guille in a 2007 French Open thread...
And just for you buddy!
Don't take everything too serious! Guille wouldn't do that either!
So let us be friends again together as Guille tards
06-11-2007 06:21 PM
Foxy
Re: the French Closed thread

rubsch, it is Guille's forum not Feds one. You got it wrong.
It is not the place where you can praise your idol. Your guy has a forum too. Please visit it.
I also can list the reasons why i prefer NAD over Fed but it is not polite as it is Guille's forum.
After all I am a true Guille fan.

Sorry for the offtopic.
06-11-2007 03:41 PM
rubsch
Re: the French Closed thread

Federer lost, Nadal didn't win. That may sound a bit strange but remember 10 breakpoints in the first set and he didn't win any of them! He also hat several breakpoints in the third set winning just one of them he would have made it to a 2:1 set lead. And he would have hold a 2:0 set lead if he had won just one out of 10. With a 2:1 or 2:0 set lead he would have won the title. So he ruined his chances to win that match in his head...
So sad but true Fed wasn't able to controle his head and I also think that he was a bit tired after that match against davydenko...

@Foxy
I am a Fedsupporter also known as Fedtard Problem with that?
And I prefer Fed to Nadal in cause to many reasons
-his style to play tennis is way more elegant and classy
-he doesn't groan on coart
-he plays a wonderful one handed backhand
-he has a very variable game
-he looks much better
-he is a real gentleman...
I could go on for ages
06-11-2007 02:20 PM
Guille's Girl
Re: the French Closed thread

Uh, I can't support Feds? You can go read my other post about how Rafa stuck to his game plan regardless of what Federer did and how it paid off for him

06-11-2007 01:57 PM
Foxy
Re: the French Closed thread

I disagree.
Rafa's rituals have very little to do with his wins against Feds.
You sound to me you are supporting Feds rather than Nad? Why?

What can you say then about Djokovic's preparation for the serve. He is bouncing the ball over 14-15 times?
06-11-2007 12:59 PM
Guille's Girl
Re: the French Closed thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by daze11 View Post
I saw the same moment, and I thought about that...I mean, he was just kidding at a certain level, intentionally generalizing for effect. BUT i think there was a cummulative thing that did happen, and I think I know which were the Big Three because I saw all of these matches I am going to mention, and I felt like I had been physically bruised from within after they were over:

1. 2004 french final - could write that off as a real tragedy of circumstance at a certain level, because you can always get cramps, and that does happen, and it was crippling. But then came the...
2. 2005 rome final - here is another one that he won, basically, and the crowd roused the opponent, and he paniced and got a little tentative and let the player back in. It was the 2nd "king of clay" encounters he lost -- the one at the french where he was on the winning streak and was just a king of clay, and then rafa being the challenger to that claim, and having outplayed him but then let it go... which shook him up a bit & double faults began to appear, and so he got the good draw to reach the final at the french again and then fell to davydenko in 4 sets hurt him...until finally...
3. 2005 US Open QF - and this time, I was in the stands....all that fighting to get to his first hardcourt GS semi, and he doublefaults BOTH POINTS at deuce to lose to a guy he....just was so so so much better than. I left the stands and felt like someone had put a torch to my skeletal frame. It was such a painful way to lose.

So it wasnt losing the three matches but how they were lost (You will remember 'Willie'--who used to be in this forum all the time--basically bailed on Guille after this match...and he said exactly that, it was "how he lost the match"...)

Coria is such a steely fighter. If there is doubt that creeps in to the center, that when you finally get to the finish line, you choke... you dont even lose but beat yourself... I think it can really shake your will and create a fear of your own ... i dont know, of your own flaws...or perceived flaws. In any case, I would bet those 3 are the ones he needs to come to terms with. I've come to terms with them.

in fact, as i write this, 'grease' is on....and olivia newton-john is singing "hopelessly devoted to you" HEAR THAT GUILLE??? and we will ride off into the sunset with that hot black car, waving to the crowd with a happy ending...
And I'm so happy to have been at work while that #3 match was on.
As for that Davydenko match, Guille totally wasn't there the whole tournament. He'd been talking about winning Wimbledon (to trick himself into believing that RG wasn't important to him) and, IMO, was lost out there. He would've lost earlier had Djokovic not retired.
It's good that you've come to terms with these loses. The only one I've gotten over is RG. I'm still angry about Rome (for numerous reasons), and I don't know what to think about that USO qf. I believe Guille has the will to move past those moments
Indeed, we are hopelessly devoted to him. I don't know if you frequent TT or not, but there are some folks over there thinking about abandoning Roger just because he keeps losing to Nadal on clay "Ridiculous."

Quote:
Originally Posted by guille&tati4life
Rafa ruined my day.
He also did his usual attempts to ruin the match by taking a minute between points
When Roger was ahead in a point, Rafa went to the towel, took his time getting a couple of balls, kicked the clay off the baseline, pulled his socks up, adjusted his undies, bounced the ball at least 7 times, and served. This is the way Rafa beats Roger. It's not cheating, it's a ritual he uses in order to stay grounded/focused and not let his nerves get the best of him. IMO, Roger needs to try it out. I don't mean exceed the time limit, but find some ritual of his own. Guille never had one and I pointed that out years ago. Rafa's rituals keep him in the moment and keeps his focus where it needs to be. I think more players should take a hint, especially with all the ATP chokes becoming an epidemic these days.
06-11-2007 12:25 PM
guille&tati4life
Re: the French Closed thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deea View Post
Rafaaaa Roger winning the tourney would have totally ruined my day. Rafa played a very solid match and Roger...well Roger had his moments of brillance indeed but imo clay is not for him and his play
Rafa ruined my day.
He also did his usual attempts to ruin the match by taking a minute between points
06-11-2007 11:42 AM
Deea
Re: the French Closed thread

Rafaaaa Roger winning the tourney would have totally ruined my day. Rafa played a very solid match and Roger...well Roger had his moments of brillance indeed but imo clay is not for him and his play
06-10-2007 11:14 PM
daze11
Re: the French Closed thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guille's Girl View Post
Guille got an honorable (I guess) mention from the Three Stooges (Mac, Robinson and Carillo) during the match. They mentioned that the only 2 matches where Rafa was pushed to 5 sets was vs. Rog at Rome '06 and vs. Guille at Rome '05. Mac went on to say that "Coria is out of the game right now, trying to recover from that loss. He was up 3-0 in the 5th!" In a way I agree, but the way he meant it was very surface. It's never that simple with Guille. Well, hopefully he'll be there next year to give us something decent to watch.
I saw the same moment, and I thought about that...I mean, he was just kidding at a certain level, intentionally generalizing for effect. BUT i think there was a cummulative thing that did happen, and I think I know which were the Big Three because I saw all of these matches I am going to mention, and I felt like I had been physically bruised from within after they were over:

1. 2004 french final - could write that off as a real tragedy of circumstance at a certain level, because you can always get cramps, and that does happen, and it was crippling. But then came the...
2. 2005 rome final - here is another one that he won, basically, and the crowd roused the opponent, and he paniced and got a little tentative and let the player back in. It was the 2nd "king of clay" encounters he lost -- the one at the french where he was on the winning streak and was just a king of clay, and then rafa being the challenger to that claim, and having outplayed him but then let it go... which shook him up a bit & double faults began to appear, and so he got the good draw to reach the final at the french again and then fell to davydenko in 4 sets hurt him...until finally...
3. 2005 US Open QF - and this time, I was in the stands....all that fighting to get to his first hardcourt GS semi, and he doublefaults BOTH POINTS at deuce to lose to a guy he....just was so so so much better than. I left the stands and felt like someone had put a torch to my skeletal frame. It was such a painful way to lose.

So it wasnt losing the three matches but how they were lost (You will remember 'Willie'--who used to be in this forum all the time--basically bailed on Guille after this match...and he said exactly that, it was "how he lost the match"...)

Coria is such a steely fighter. If there is doubt that creeps in to the center, that when you finally get to the finish line, you choke... you dont even lose but beat yourself... I think it can really shake your will and create a fear of your own ... i dont know, of your own flaws...or perceived flaws. In any case, I would bet those 3 are the ones he needs to come to terms with. I've come to terms with them.

in fact, as i write this, 'grease' is on....and olivia newton-john is singing "hopelessly devoted to you" HEAR THAT GUILLE??? and we will ride off into the sunset with that hot black car, waving to the crowd with a happy ending...
06-10-2007 05:38 PM
Guille's Girl
Re: the French Closed thread

Oooo, was this a good final? Nadal played some on spot tennis, but I can't say the same for Roger. When Rafa was playing well, Roger changed some things and mixed it up, which was good. Helped him win the 2nd set. But even though Rog changed some things, Rafa continued forth with his decided gameplan. I can't say that Rafa was indestructable though; Rog had his chances and wasted them with some very questionable shots. Then he had his "I might not be able to do this" body language on and started slapping balls all over the place off both wings. 1 of what, 16? 17? breakpoint chances. That, however, was mainly due to Rafa's clutch serving. Well, I'll say it was a good match for Rafa. He played good tennis and stuck to his gameplan regardless of what Roger was doing on the other side of the net, and it paid off. If Rog wants to beat Rafa on clay (for real, not like in Hamburg), he's gonna have to realize that he has to be out there for far more than 3 hours. He has to be mentally prepared to stay there, however long and whatever means it takes. Do a split, sprint, get his shirt red. It takes more than just a forehand and a volley to whoop Rafa in his house.

Guille got an honorable (I guess) mention from the Three Stooges (Mac, Robinson and Carillo) during the match. They mentioned that the only 2 matches where Rafa was pushed to 5 sets was vs. Rog at Rome '06 and vs. Guille at Rome '05. Mac went on to say that "Coria is out of the game right now, trying to recover from that loss. He was up 3-0 in the 5th!" In a way I agree, but the way he meant it was very surface. It's never that simple with Guille. Well, hopefully he'll be there next year to give us something decent to watch.
06-10-2007 04:37 PM
fabolous
Re: the French Closed thread

rafa won it, as expected.

have to agree with you, saraa. there were hardly any close matches or epic 5-set-battles and in men's singles there were no surprises at all. let's hope it will be different again next year (with guille being the positive surprise, of course ).
06-10-2007 12:53 PM
Guille's Girl
Re: the French Closed thread

Regardless of who wins this final, Roger and Nadal need duke it out til the death!!!...ok maybe not until death, but this entire French Open sucked. Cañas vs. Davydenko was a straight setter, Justine vs. Serena was a straight setter, Djokovic vs. Nadal was a...you get the picture. Nothing exciting happened! The closest we got to excitement was the Davydenko/Nalbandian match. None of the marquee matches lived up to the hype. I feel there were just as many chokes on the mens' side as was on the womens' side.
Will Rafa and Fed save the French?

Congrats to Justine
06-10-2007 07:05 AM
psichogaucho
Re: the French Closed thread

it would be nice if Federer wins RG
he'd make some noise, huh?
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