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06-23-2013 07:50 PM
Kiedis
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

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Same with Rafa or Nole or Murray
Sure, but they don't complained about hawk-eye

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And most of the time the lower ranked players aren't used to hawkeye so they don't know how to use it, it would be absolutely fair if it was an universal measure.
I have a rich uncle who always said the same stuff that you when poor people demands something: "sure they want it for waste it in any vice, they are not accustomed to having something of money in their pockets"

Anyway, vamos a animar a la Roja
06-23-2013 07:43 PM
Arkulari
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

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I don't think that an umpire is more scared of Garcia Lopez than Istomin for example, so if he is wrong in any call sure would be fairly random. But playing Federer against other not top four player for example there are more chances of any bias from the umpire calls, and if you don't think that's you're very candid person.
Same with Rafa or Nole or Murray . And most of the time the lower ranked players aren't used to hawkeye so they don't know how to use it, it would be absolutely fair if it was an universal measure.

25 seconds for all matches all tournaments, Hawkeye for all courts. It's only fair.
06-23-2013 07:27 PM
Kiedis
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

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That would be true if hawkeye was universal but in reality it is only used in the bigger tournaments and only in the main courts so it tends to benefit higher ranked players more because they are the ones playing in those venues time and time again
I don't think that an umpire is more scared of Garcia Lopez than Istomin for example, so if he is wrong in any call sure would be fairly random. But playing Federer against other not top four player for example there are more chances of any bias from the umpire calls, and if you don't think that's you're very candid person.
06-23-2013 07:20 PM
Arkulari
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

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And for me Hawk-Eye protects lowered ranked players. If football had something like Hawk-Eye Real Madrid and Barça would finish La Liga with some points less every year, there is no doubt, so if Hawk-Eye is implanted some day Madrid and Barça will say the same stuff that Roger: Hawk-Eye is bad for sport because fans love refereeing controversies...
That would be true if hawkeye was universal but in reality it is only used in the bigger tournaments and only in the main courts so it tends to benefit higher ranked players more because they are the ones playing in those venues time and time again
06-23-2013 06:48 PM
Kiedis
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

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Federer argues with the umpire maybe once a year, and Miami 2009 was the only time he smashed a racket since what, 2000 or 2001?
The previous video is from Miami 2009.
06-23-2013 06:44 PM
Nolesaurus
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

Cheating will harm the fans
06-23-2013 06:40 PM
Kyle_Johansen
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

Hawkeye would only be used in football for when balls went over the goal line, right?
06-23-2013 06:37 PM
Kiedis
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

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Well the difference is that Roger might be vocal about his dislike of hawkeye but he speaks only for himself, Rafa is saying that it will harm the fans and that most players aren't happy with it.

Same as when he was agreeing with the 2-year ranking idea, it's silly and will only benefit the top players, Federer actually spoke against it and with reason since he knows that it will make it harder for up and comers to break into the top of the game.

Look, I love Rafa but he's been mistaken about a lot of things regardless of rules in tennis and should be called on that when he does, Roger might be a self centered arrogant fool but he doesn't look to bend the rules to suit his own game even if he's losing more and more of his abilities with time.
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Hawk-Eye detracts from sport

- Roger Federer -
And for me Hawk-Eye protects lowered ranked players. If football had something like Hawk-Eye Real Madrid and Barça would finish La Liga with some points less every year, there is no doubt, so if Hawk-Eye is implanted some day Madrid and Barça will say the same stuff that Roger: Hawk-Eye is bad for sport because fans love refereeing controversies...
06-23-2013 06:32 PM
Arkulari
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

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It's a very respectable your opinion but Rafa and me believe that there should be not a rigid rule.

I repeat, Roger hates hawk-eye, when hawk-eye is very fair to me. I would love a haw-eye in footbal. Should we bash him for hating haw-eye? Oh, we could do that: "Olderer is a powerful player, a legend, so obviously he wants that a frightened umpire make always the call"

Anyway, every silly & little detail is good for bitching about the same guy so whatever.
Well the difference is that Roger might be vocal about his dislike of hawkeye but he speaks only for himself, Rafa is saying that it will harm the fans and that most players aren't happy with it.

Same as when he was agreeing with the 2-year ranking idea, it's silly and will only benefit the top players, Federer actually spoke against it and with reason since he knows that it will make it harder for up and comers to break into the top of the game.

Look, I love Rafa but he's been mistaken about a lot of things regardless of rules in tennis and should be called on that when he does, Roger might be a self centered arrogant fool but he doesn't look to bend the rules to suit his own game even if he's losing more and more of his abilities with time.
06-23-2013 06:27 PM
Kyle_Johansen
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

He doesn't like hawkeye but he uses it, and he uses it better than he did in 2007/2008.
06-23-2013 06:26 PM
Kyle_Johansen
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

Federer argues with the umpire maybe once a year, and Miami 2009 was the only time he smashed a racket since what, 2000 or 2001?
06-23-2013 06:26 PM
Kiedis
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

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25 seconds is enough. People act like there are 20 shot rallies every point - there aren't even in Djokovic/Nadal matches.
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25 seconds is more than enough, we're not making them go 10 seconds or less between points and they rest every other game for a couple of minutes, it's not as if they are playing 200 minutes without rest every time.
It's a very respectable your opinion but Rafa and me believe that there should be not a rigid rule.

I repeat, Roger hates hawk-eye, when hawk-eye is very fair to me. I would love something like hawk-eye in football. Should we bash him for hating haw-eye? Oh, we could do that: "Olderer is a powerful player, a legend, so obviously he wants that a frightened umpire make always the call, hawk-eye is a very objetive rule for his own interest"

Anyway, every silly & little detail is good for bitching about the same guy so whatever.
06-23-2013 06:22 PM
Arkulari
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

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So Roger breaks rackets and swears to umpires, Rafa takes forever to play with his antics and threatens not to keep playing, Djokovic does 34353536 ball bounces before serving, Murray distracts the opponent by grabbing his body and grimacing in fake pain...

They all have their bad aspects, what matters is whether that actually affects the quality of play or not and whether the opponents allow for it to distract them

In general, the 25 seconds rule is good, otherwise we would be treated to slugfests like the Nadal/Djokovic AO 12 final time and time again, the faster players learn to play, the better it is for the sport.
06-23-2013 06:19 PM
Looner
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

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some stupid videos
You've proven nothing.

You remember it so vividly exactly because it's a rare occurrence. For Nadal, cheating is a daily ritual on the tennis court. Hence, him bitching about the rule is ridiculous.
06-23-2013 06:17 PM
Brit Tennis Fan
Re: Some more gentle comedy from Nadal....."25-second rule will harm the fans"

In spite of the bitching by cry baby Dull this rule change has worked well. After a few early moans most players have adapted and play is generally a bit quicker than it was which is a good things for fans.
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