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01-03-2013 12:25 PM
Uncle Latso
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

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Originally Posted by Wing Man Frank View Post
No, he's lost matches because he doesn't know how to properly approach the net and volley.
no, he hasn't

not in the last 3 years
01-03-2013 12:01 PM
Wing Man Frank
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

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He never lost a match Because of bad volleying, so it doesn't change anything.
No, he's lost matches because he doesn't know how to properly approach the net and volley.
01-03-2013 11:54 AM
Maccie
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

The reason people are not coming to the net anymore seems obvious to me. The ball/courts are too slow, the passings are too good and the returns are too good. Last two are impossible to control, that's just a matter of evolution. The first one however you can control.

Maybe it's an idea to introduce different types of balls like in squash. In squash you have balls that bounce less for the pro's especially to prevent the neverending rallies. Maybe we should introduce a pro ball that bounces less. It will make the rallies shorter and coming to the net more interesting.
01-03-2013 11:44 AM
Uncle Latso
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

He never lost a match Because of bad volleying, so it doesn't change anything.

Volleying nowadays is for finishing sharp approaches and mix the tempo. Beside these it's not efficient.
01-03-2013 11:07 AM
Wing Man Frank
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

If Djokovic could volley he would win everything.
01-03-2013 10:43 AM
Li Ching Yuen
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

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You can see why they don't on higher bounce surfaces, the ball decelerates so much in the air that top defenders have plenty time behind the baseline to get to it and rip a big hit.

Worth it against lesser lights though surely.
This is the truth of all. The courts are incredibly bouncy, there are numerous instances where volleys simply just sit up no matter what. I see sometimes Ferrer having time to make 3 kids and take a nap before crushing a pass CC. A lower bounce is critical for any type of volley, with that taken away you're left with pretty much making the perfect approach and the perfect volley on every single net rush, which is impossible and something that neither Rafter, nor Edberg or McEnroe ever managed to do, not even close.

That's the reason why no one comes in anymore. Djokovic, who's actually one of the few top players that makes sense when talking about tennis on a whole, alongside Murray, pointed out this last year that the biggest factor in today's game is the bounce of the courts.

He is goddamn right.
01-03-2013 10:06 AM
jacoblewis2008
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

I agree that it would be dangerous to play more volley with the modern era players. The varying sport court surfaces make the game more interesting and provide enough of a debate between the players of the era.
09-11-2012 07:37 PM
AnotherGameFor
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

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Raonic's net positioning and agility at the net were the bigger issues, I thought, he's no Pat Rafter. Murray hits a cross court pass 99% of the time off the forehand and Raonic gave him that pass all night. Gotta close at a more imposing angle and cut off Muzza's best shot. Make him go down the line and then hit the winning volley.
I agree that Raonic needs to improve his anticipation at the net, but even the best volleyers would be in trouble vs alot of those shots. The top spin also makes it easier to lob so players can't stand right on top of the net either.
09-11-2012 07:06 PM
brithater
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

This era has the worst volleyers of all time IMO. They dont cover well, they dont approach well, they are indecisive etc. etc. In all..they play net like the WTA. There seems to be this view that volleying is more difficult now....LOL. Pssst...little secret....it was difficult back in the 90s as well. Thats why only the truely great explosive athletes with guts could pull off true serve and volley tennis. The Edbergs, Cash, Rafter type athletes. Of the current crop only Nadal has that type of explosive athleticism and balance. Maybe Gasquet as well.

Todays volleyers seem to concede the point when they have to hit a tough volley. Watch some of the Rafter matches from the latter part of his career. He was serve and volleying against some monster players who passed as well if not better than any of the current players.
09-11-2012 06:30 PM
Johnny Groove
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

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I think that volleying is dead because of the racquets. The Murray-Raonic match, especially in the 3rd set where Raonic was coming to the net all the time was a perfect example of the problem. Raonic would hit a good approach with Murray 5+ feet off the back of the court and in the double alley on the full run and stretch and then hit a perfect cross court passing shot that bounced halfway between the net and service line. When players can hit the ball with pace and that short from any position on the court, it makes volleying almost impossible. Combining that with a slow court and a high bounce, these guys can get to almost any drop volley and good deep volleys without difficulty as well.

So, if you want to bring back volleying (which I think would be good), you need to reduce topspin.....
Raonic's net positioning and agility at the net were the bigger issues, I thought, he's no Pat Rafter. Murray hits a cross court pass 99% of the time off the forehand and Raonic gave him that pass all night. Gotta close at a more imposing angle and cut off Muzza's best shot. Make him go down the line and then hit the winning volley.
09-11-2012 05:21 PM
AnotherGameFor
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

I think that volleying is dead because of the racquets. The Murray-Raonic match, especially in the 3rd set where Raonic was coming to the net all the time was a perfect example of the problem. Raonic would hit a good approach with Murray 5+ feet off the back of the court and in the double alley on the full run and stretch and then hit a perfect cross court passing shot that bounced halfway between the net and service line. When players can hit the ball with pace and that short from any position on the court, it makes volleying almost impossible. Combining that with a slow court and a high bounce, these guys can get to almost any drop volley and good deep volleys without difficulty as well.

So, if you want to bring back volleying (which I think would be good), you need to reduce topspin.....
09-11-2012 04:18 PM
Tag
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

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I agree with the OP. Developing a net game to cut off rallies before getting exhausted is the logical next step in the evolution of the modern player.
rallies over 30 shots on a non-clay court should result in the game being instantly abandoned, with both players being fined and forced to attend a volley camp with edberg and sampras

this would certainly force players to volley and learn all court craft
09-11-2012 10:16 AM
Looner
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

Groove, you forgot to mention Federer's brilliant net play in that Wimbledon final. It made all the difference in the world. Murray was not much better (if not worse) at the passing shots yesterday, so Djokovic could have taken advantage if he knew how to volley.
09-11-2012 10:15 AM
Sophocles
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

I agree with the OP. Developing a net game to cut off rallies before getting exhausted is the logical next step in the evolution of the modern player.
09-11-2012 10:04 AM
Tenn1sAdd1ct
Re: With the slowing of the surfaces and mega defense, should modern players volley m

No need to volley more. Only Djokovic has to improve his pathetic fitness. I want to see 7 hr rematch at AO.
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