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07-27-2012 03:26 AM
pray-for-palestine-and-israel
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

19yr old fed def defending champ sampras
07-27-2012 02:37 AM
Juz78
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

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Originally Posted by dweijnen View Post
If it was on clay, yes it would be the biggest upset
My thoughts exactly. It's definitely up there, but the fact that it was on grass for me also doesn't make it the all time biggest upset.
07-27-2012 02:14 AM
abraxas21
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

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Originally Posted by HKz View Post
Not even close.. Soderling defeating Rafa at the French was a much bigger upset, and even then, I wouldn't consider that the biggest upset in men's tennis, although it is certainly up there. Rosol beating Rafa was not entirely surprising, at least for, even soon after the match. Yes, it was still rather unbelievable that Rosol pulled it off, however, remember that Rafa was down so many times at Wimbledon throughout the years and he has narrowly escape each time, a couple times due to some luck on his side. Kendrick was 2 points away from winning their match in 2006, Soderling had a break? or had break points in the 5th set in 2007, Youzhny was up 2 sets to love in 2007, Federer had his chances in the 5th set in 2008, and Petzschner/Haase also had their chances to win their matches against Rafa in 2010. So I'm not sure how a player, as in Rosol, who was able to take that one extra step all those players before him couldn't is considered a huge upset.

Chang beating Lendl at the French Open is arguably one of the biggest upsets. Chang obviously very young, far less experienced and Lendl was a multi slam winner both overall and at Roland Garros.
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nadal has never been very dominant in the first week of wimbledon. he scaped many times due to his fighting spirit, antics and also choking opponents.

nadal in RG on the other hand has always been dominant all the way. plus, you also have to consider the h2h before the match. while soderling had curiosuly pushed nadal to 5 in the first week of wimbledon before, he had been crushed by nadal only a few weeks ago in rome. nobody ever thought soderling could beat nadal whereas with a player like rosol, strong serve, big game, etc in the first week of wimbledon with the possibility of a closed roof, you could figure he had a chance, albeit a really small one.

soderling was beneffited by the environment in that RG match, though. humid wheather made conditions slower and lowered the power of nadal's topsin and that somehow allowed a fast court player like soda to play at his very best. a couple of years later he'd beat federer in the same court under virtually the same wheather conditions.

both were huge upsets but soda's probly the biggest one in the history of the open era.
07-27-2012 02:05 AM
abraxas21
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

soderling over nadal in RG was a bigger upset
07-27-2012 01:45 AM
nastoff
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Is George Bastl at the WWE these days?
07-27-2012 01:26 AM
Say Hey Kid
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

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Originally Posted by mickymouse View Post
I still think it's Soderling beating Nadal at RG. All you need is the reaction of the tennnis world to tell you which is the bigger upset. Nadal losing to Rosol was talked about but the shock value was nowhere close to him losing to Soderling. I'm sure many Nadal fans would admit to crying when he lost at RG but I doubt any of them shed a tear at his loss to Rosol.

Rosol was much bigger upset than Soderling.

Rafa's loss to Soderling now looks much bigger due to the fact he has won RG every year since he lost to Robin in 2009. However, let's rewind here. There is a reason Nadal was only an oddsmaker favorite of 1.07 vs Soderling. His form was visibly not as sharp, and he was playing a solid opponent.

If you go by the oddsmakers, and people who make a living trading tennis odds, Soderling beating Nadal wasn't even the biggest upset of the year, in fact, it wasn't even in the top 3.

No doubt, it was still a very big upset, and it is over-exemplified today due to Nadal not losing at RG since 2009. Yet, at the time the matches were played, Soderling was much more of a threat on Nadal's clay than Rosol was on grass. I remember that match vividly, and quite a few respectable tennis handicappers liked Soderling. No one knowledgable in the field of predicting tennis outcomes entertained the thought of Rosol winning, no one. The odds reflect that, as Rosol was a 55-1 underdog. Yet, at betfair you could lay 1-14 on Nadal to win vs Soderling.
07-27-2012 12:44 AM
Andy1402
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Yes. I definitely think rosol handing nadal his ass was worse than what soderling did. Soderling was a top 30 player for quite a while and then stuck in the top 10 for a year. Rosol is an unknown entity who played the game of his life for one match and defeated the second greatest grass player of the generation.
Also i think nadal was definitely injured during RG09 which makes the defeat a little more realistic.
07-24-2012 07:17 PM
tommyg6
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Rosol is Boss. His win was indeed one of the biggest upsets ever. No, actually make it the biggest. Any wins over Nadal is always good for the tour.

Rosol is Boss. He's my hero. He took out piggy like it was another day in the office.

GODsol
GOATsol
FEDsol
BALLBASHERSol
07-24-2012 07:07 PM
finishingmove
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

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Originally Posted by samanosuke View Post
If we know that Dodig > Nadal, Rosol defeat Dodig round before is even bigger upset


But IMO, GGL was the bigger upset. And funnier match too.
07-24-2012 07:04 PM
samanosuke
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

In '91 Ivanisevic lost at Wimbledon to Nick Brown. A guy ranked 591
07-24-2012 07:01 PM
finishingmove
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

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Originally Posted by evilmindbulgaria View Post
Nadal's only (so far) defeat at Roland Garros in 2009 was much bigger of an upset.
Agreed.
07-24-2012 07:00 PM
samanosuke
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

If we know that Dodig > Nadal, Rosol defeat Dodig round before is even bigger upset
07-24-2012 06:53 PM
evilmindbulgaria
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Nadal's only (so far) defeat at Roland Garros in 2009 was much bigger of an upset.
07-24-2012 05:52 PM
Roger the Dodger
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

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Originally Posted by Sophocles View Post
Am inclined to agree Soderling was bigger. At the time Soderling was barely in the Top 30, had no pedigree on clay, had been thrashed by Nadal in Rome, & had always failed at slams, whereas Nadal had never lost at R.G. & never even been taken to 5 sets, even by peak Federer. That Nadal should lose at R.G. at all was upset enough, but to Soderling? Whatever his subsequent record at R.G., at the time nobody thought he had it in him. The result sent shockwaves through the sport, with the French press referring to it as "the earthquake" for days on end. Doohan against Becker was comparable, I guess.

I suppose we could distinguish between "shock" & "upset". The bigger shock is the more surprising result, the bigger upset the one with the greater disparity between the quality of the players. Under the second definition, I guess Nestor against Edberg is winning so far.
I agree with Softy.

Soderling's was definitely bigger given that RG was and still is Nadal's best hunting ground. Nadal lost to guys like Muller and Ancic, I think before he took up form on grass and made 5 consecutive finals at Wimbly, and then lost to Rosol. Soderling's victory is like a strong blot on a white sheet of Nadal's CV. Even before you notice his list of achievements; its the blotch you notice first.

BLOP! ... like that.
07-24-2012 04:59 PM
IOFH
Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

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Originally Posted by Li Ching Yuen View Post
I think it's pretty simple. The first question I ask is "What is the most dominant player on any particular surface".

The answer is clearly Nadal on clay, and RG just happens to be the clay slam. (slams are best of 5 so they automatically truncate any other tournament, perhaps except Best of 5 Masters Final and Davis Cup, but DC doesn't really count that much due to it's poor format, so yeah)

It has to be Soderling beating Nadal in 09.
At the time, perhaps. Sod's level since that and the fact that he beat Federer the next year playing just as well, if not better, kinda takes something away from that.

If Rosol does something significant from now on it would do the same thing, but I doubt he will.
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