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12-27-2016 06:45 PM
Djoker
Re: Syria Crisis: Obama warns Assad faces "consequences" if he uses chemical weapons

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Originally Posted by ssin View Post
Yes, it is more question of time now. Not in Turkey but in Iraq and/or Syria, some sort of strong Kurdish autonomy or full independence is inevitable. But it will probably be a long and difficult road of negotiations. In future some sort of autonomy is possible in Turkey and/or Iran as well. Just a few things to have in mind:

- Kurds are fighting for their national emancipation, this is a powerful and lasting idea.
- They paid already with rivers of blood in the entire region, who will tell them they will have to keep quiet now?
- They are the largest ethnic group in the world without their own state.
- They are allied with the US right now, and also have support of Russia.
- Peace in the region is difficult without some sort of settlement for the Kurds.
All of those were also true 10 years ago – except the bolded part.
It will be very hard negotiations, many anticipate.
12-27-2016 05:49 PM
ssin
Re: Syria Crisis: Obama warns Assad faces "consequences" if he uses chemical weapons

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While it was the essential part of every peace plan to never let establish an independant Kurdish state in the 90's, do you think the political turmoil has turned the sides and caused such chaotic circumstances in the region that Turkey would allow it? Especially Erdogan?

I don't think so, for him it still belongs to the realm of impossibilities...
Yes, it is more question of time now. Not in Turkey but in Iraq and/or Syria, some sort of strong Kurdish autonomy or full independence is inevitable. But it will probably be a long and difficult road of negotiations. In future some sort of autonomy is possible in Turkey and/or Iran as well. Just a few things to have in mind:

- Kurds are fighting for their national emancipation, this is a powerful and lasting idea.
- They paid already with rivers of blood in the entire region, who will tell them they will have to keep quiet now?
- They are the largest ethnic group in the world without their own state.
- They are allied with the US right now, and also have support of Russia.
- Peace in the region is difficult without some sort of settlement for the Kurds.
12-27-2016 05:03 PM
Djoker
Re: Syria Crisis: Obama warns Assad faces "consequences" if he uses chemical weapons

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Chances are real but not quite like the map, imo Turkey will not allow disintegration of their country, it would take a real global chaos for something like that, but Kurdistan outside Turkey is possible.
While it was the essential part of every peace plan to never let establish an independant Kurdish state in the 90's, do you think the political turmoil has turned the sides and caused such chaotic circumstances in the region that Turkey would allow it? Especially Erdogan?

I don't think so, for him it still belongs to the realm of impossibilities...
12-26-2016 12:09 PM
miura88
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12-22-2016 03:51 PM
redshift36188
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12-22-2016 12:30 PM
ssin
Re: Syria Crisis: Obama warns Assad faces "consequences" if he uses chemical weapons

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I wonder what the chances of the Middle East being redrawn are
Chances are real but not quite like the map, imo Turkey will not allow disintegration of their country, it would take a real global chaos for something like that, but Kurdistan outside Turkey is possible.
12-22-2016 11:46 AM
miura88
Re: Syria Crisis: Obama warns Assad faces "consequences" if he uses chemical weapons

I think they'd have to change the name of Islamic Sacred State
12-22-2016 11:01 AM
Police of Mind
Re: Syria Crisis: Obama warns Assad faces "consequences" if he uses chemical weapons

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The US intervention in Iraq actually started the undeclared Sunni-Shia war in the Middle East.

You have to be really stupid not to think that any popular, even democratically elected government in Iraq would fall under Iran influence as it has happened and will remain so for now on. Until the borders are "modified". And it does change the regional balance

Now when the damage is done it seems all the factions were let to kill themselves off and what remains will be heaps of ruins and redrawing of regional maps. And the Sunni extremists emerging on top of events as "ISIS"

Now when Russia entered militarily it actually might speed up the process of finding a political solution, because it will make the US act and reaffirm their shaken regional role

But let's face the facts. Libya, Iraq, and Syria will be no more, at least not the way they were. We will be hearing about some new territories, maps etc. Of course Assad will go, but before that he will surely be a part of a political process even only as an Iranian/Russian puppet but he'll be there.

So many people killed for nothing, so many lives shattered, so much heritage destroyed
I wonder what the chances of the Middle East being redrawn are

12-22-2016 12:01 AM
redshift36188
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12-21-2016 09:04 PM
ssin
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It was a horrible mistake that ruined millions of people in the region and cost the US dearly as well in many ways - financially, morally, politically and the final effects are yet to be seen
Now we can probably add electing Trump to that.

I wonder whether the war is coming to an end or there are still enough abilities and appetite among the warring factions to continue
10-14-2015 11:01 PM
ssin
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Well it was Putin who just said *look what you did* I think he meant to say

*you fucking bunch of amateurs*
It was a horrible mistake that ruined millions of people in the region and cost the US dearly as well in many ways - financially, morally, politically and the final effects are yet to be seen
10-14-2015 10:50 PM
ssin
Re: Syria Crisis: Obama warns Assad faces "consequences" if he uses chemical weapons

The US intervention in Iraq actually started the undeclared Sunni-Shia war in the Middle East.

You have to be really stupid not to think that any popular, even democratically elected government in Iraq would fall under Iran influence as it has happened and will remain so for now on. Until the borders are "modified". And it does change the regional balance

Now when the damage is done it seems all the factions were let to kill themselves off and what remains will be heaps of ruins and redrawing of regional maps. And the Sunni extremists emerging on top of events as "ISIS"

Now when Russia entered militarily it actually might speed up the process of finding a political solution, because it will make the US act and reaffirm their shaken regional role

But let's face the facts. Libya, Iraq, and Syria will be no more, at least not the way they were. We will be hearing about some new territories, maps etc. Of course Assad will go, but before that he will surely be a part of a political process even only as an Iranian/Russian puppet but he'll be there.

So many people killed for nothing, so many lives shattered, so much heritage destroyed
10-12-2015 06:08 PM
tektonac
Re: Syria Crisis: Obama warns Assad faces "consequences" if he uses chemical weapons

an interesting write up on Syria:

Syria: Russian Intervention Exposes Coalition Lies. ?The Terrorists R US? | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
12-04-2012 06:04 PM
buddyholly
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Putin will never repeat Medvedev's mistake in Lybia. The greatest statesman on this planet at the moment!
Hilary was just letting her atheism out. Nobody has a soul. But she probably knows a lot about his KGB days and what an immoral piece of s**t he is.
12-04-2012 05:14 PM
Echoes
Re: Syria Crisis: Obama warns Assad faces "consequences" if he uses chemical weapons

Putin will never repeat Medvedev's mistake in Lybia. The greatest statesman on this planet at the moment!

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What Assad wants is to pacify the country and get rid of the terrorists that are destabilizing it.

The opposition can do whatever they want as long as Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the US, France & Britain keep backing them.
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