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Today 02:01 AM
Haneul
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Awka Liwen View Post
I personally disliked the "how" more than the "why".

How far and how fast did this guy throw that spear to not only hit but oneshot a dragon?

Like seriously, tell me if this doesn't look like it's been ripped out from a bad fanmade clip.


The reason he managed to oneshot him was because he hit him straight in the neck while he was spitting fire. I think the fire came out from his neck and got fatally wonded.
Today 01:20 AM
Awka Liwen
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by selyoink View Post
I agree with all this but you kill off the dragon in a more meaningful way. For me at least it lacked any emotional response other than "It needed to happen."
I personally disliked the "how" more than the "why".

How far and how fast did this guy throw that spear to not only hit but oneshot a dragon?

Like seriously, tell me if this doesn't look like it's been ripped out from a bad fanmade clip.

Today 12:11 AM
selyoink
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Awka Liwen View Post
This is a very good point. The problem is that bringing three fully grown dragons to the struggle for Westeros is a hard thing to balance. Back when Aegon conquered Westeros he pretty much did that with Balerion alone while his sisters would focus on Dorne. And they pretty much crushed everyone without any allies whatsoever. Dragonfire was so hot that it would literally melt bricks, just look at Harrenhall.

So.. what do you do here? I mean, it must be a rough task for the writters to work with this material because realistically Dani should roast the entire continent south of the wall with Drogon alone. Build a harness, full plate armor for her and just sweep-cook enemy armies and farms away.
I agree with all this but you kill off the dragon in a more meaningful way. For me at least it lacked any emotional response other than "It needed to happen."
Today 12:08 AM
selyoink
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Floki View Post
The issues I have with the episode (most of them already listed in the previous posts):
1. Yes the whole plan is far fetched, and all that only to convince freaking Cersei.
2. Gendry, ravens and dragons must have been really really fast.
3. Chains, where did they get the freaking chains. I guess you could argue they found some in say Hardhome, but who dived into the lake to put them around Viserions neck?
4. How the fuck could Night's King one-shot a freaking Dragon with a javelin just like that? That didn't make sense at all and they didn't explain it. That makes Dragons quite weak weapon against Night's King so what i the point of having them at all. Jost does not add up for me.
5. I expected more of the 7 would die, not just Thoros. I think the episode would have been better and more heartbreaking if that happened - Say Tormund or Jorah, although I like them both a lot.
6. Benjen didn't have to die.
7. Everything about Tyrion.
8. Everything about Arya

But don't let details ruin it for you, beside all this it was one of the best GoT episodes. Top 5 for sure. An amazing one. And I quite enjoyed it.
That is a lot of flaws for a top 5 ever episode (although some of them aren't flaws in my opinion, the chains to pull out the dragon is excessive nitpicking, Benjen can't cross the wall so may as well eliminate him and the Night King's weapons are presumably magical and the ice contrast to fire makes sense it could kill a dragon in my opinion). Personally I'd have it as bottom 10 ever. With episode 5 of this season as the absolute worst episode of the series. The first 4 episodes were between acceptable and amazing with episode 4 as one of the best ever. But the season has derailed in a major way for me and I doubt the next episode will solve anything as this idiotic plot line is still the focus of the episode presumably. And yes Tyrion and especially Arya are just horrible characters now. At this point I want the waif to pull off Arya's face.
Yesterday 11:58 PM
selyoink
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Ace Pounder View Post
I won't be coming back after S7, I believe. I will instead wait patiently for GRRM's last two novels for ASOIAF, and I'll probably get the follow-up the story deserves.
Good luck with that. Whether he ever finishes has to be in great doubt at this point.
Yesterday 09:43 PM
Senua
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

I don't watch the show, but this thread is 24K gold.


Yesterday 09:29 PM
Dominic S
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Nathaliia View Post

We started watching a different show than we are watching now....
Yes, and that is to the detriment of the show's quality. To go from a show that focused on political intrigue, and then become an all out fantasy/adventure show is a little much. I'm not impressed by CGI or huge battle scenes. I want dialogue, plot, and slow building tension.

But, when actors like Natalie Dormer, Charles Dance, Roose Bolton (guy played him) are killed off - you can't have the same level of drama with the remaining players. Their acting chops aren't good enough and the characters they are playing aren't deep enough.

The plot to capture 1 white walker was just stupid, But I guess they needed to contrive some way for the WhiteWalkers to get a dragon of their own. It would have been a better story if Jon, instead of trudging into the snow with 8 other guys, instead simply rode one of the dragons up there and then that is the dragon the WhiteWalkers kill. Jon is then left stranded in the snow and they have to go rescue him. Then you could use Bran's Warging to relay the message. That would have been a better way to do it, than having these non-sensical battle scenes of 8 guys surrounded by 5,000 zombies and somehow the 8 guys fight them off just long enough for Dany to make the save.
Yesterday 09:23 PM
Awka Liwen
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Floki View Post
Yes the plan is stupid, like everything Tyrion said or did this season. Not sure why did they made him so retarded this season. Even in this episode he was really annoying insisting on naming the hair (Why now? I would have smacked him for that, if I was Daenerys) or insisting she does nothing. WTF?. But you are letting that one detail ruin the whole episode for you.

The episode was still amazing. I (and most of the people - based on my friends talking about it and most of the reactions, ...) was on the edge the whole episode. It was extremely tense and action scenes were great. Also the interactions among The Magnificent 7 were awesome. Dragon scenes were not flat at all to me.
I also loved the boat scene and Jon bending the knee and acknowledging what Dany did, as well. Only idiots can have issues with Jon bending the knee, after everything that happened. But it was more than that. It is not about that at all for both of them anymore.

The issues I have with the episode (most of them already listed in the previous posts):
1. Yes the whole plan is far fetched, and all that only to convince freaking Cersei.
2. Gendry, ravens and dragons must have been really really fast.
3. Chains, where did they get the freaking chains. I guess you could argue they found some in say Hardhome, but who dived into the lake to put them around Viserions neck?
4. How the fuck could Night's King one-shot a freaking Dragon with a javelin just like that? That didn't make sense at all and they didn't explain it. That makes Dragons quite weak weapon against Night's King so what i the point of having them at all. Jost does not add up for me.
5. I expected more of the 7 would die, not just Thoros. I think the episode would have been better and more heartbreaking if that happened - Say Tormund or Jorah, although I like them both a lot.
6. Benjen didn't have to die.
7. Everything about Tyrion.
8. Everything about Arya

But don't let details ruin it for you, beside all this it was one of the best GoT episodes. Top 5 for sure. An amazing one. And I quite enjoyed it.
This is a very good point. The problem is that bringing three fully grown dragons to the struggle for Westeros is a hard thing to balance. Back when Aegon conquered Westeros he pretty much did that with Balerion alone while his sisters would focus on Dorne. And they pretty much crushed everyone without any allies whatsoever. Dragonfire was so hot that it would literally melt bricks, just look at Harrenhall.

So.. what do you do here? I mean, it must be a rough task for the writters to work with this material because realistically Dani should roast the entire continent south of the wall with Drogon alone. Build a harness, full plate armor for her and just sweep-cook enemy armies and farms away.

Martin is handling things a little bit different in the books since there's a certain Greyjoy crossing the Narrow Sea with a certain horn (story arc I won't spoil) so I'm pretty sure she's not crossing with the three beasts.
Yesterday 09:09 PM
Nathaliia
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Ace Pounder View Post
The fairy tale/mythology is taking over the politics and the actual meat of the books, its study of Human condition - and I couldn't care less about the former. Its purpose was to highlight the latter, not the other way around (and it fails to do so too).
I wrote the same thing on TF.

Contrary to most people, I don't see many plot holes. A lot of these things can be easily explained or receive a really big benefit of doubt, so it's just pointless (maybe except whighs suddenly swimming )

I am rewatching the early seasons and they had also "plot holes" and time travelling for nitpickers. And a lot of useless screen time wasted on whores or on Pycelle doing gymnastics.

BUT... I still feel flat here. There's a bit of an interesting scene or dialogue here or there, but only a few characters seem to fit their current place. And while I can defend a lot of technical things, none of the episodes this season had me WOW (I even avoided reading spoilers this time around... well except of the one provided in this very thread ).

We started watching a different show than we are watching now.... And books will go same path, sorry to spoil it to you... unless GRRM is following what people are reacting badly to and is re-writing the novels, that's why it takes so long
Yesterday 08:49 PM
Ace Pounder
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

^ Describes everything that's wrong about the episode, the sum of all the points constituting the goddamn whole episode, and still praises it as one of the best ever... Only a fanboy could ever come to that conclusion. And there are way too many of these fanboys, right now, which explains the ridiculous IMDb scores (for what they're worth) the season has been getting. Fortunately, the general audience is reacting a lot less positively to it (that's at least the general sentiment I've been getting from people around me).

This "Beyond the Wall" affair was absolutely dreadful, bad by any TV standard and terrible for the great show it used to be. I'm never surprised anymore by anything happening because anyone can guess each and every incoming scene. All the characters are almost out of character or plain boring and useless, all barely recognisable. The fairy tale/mythology is taking over the politics and the actual meat of the books, its study of Human condition - and I couldn't care less about the former. Its purpose was to highlight the latter, not the other way around (and it fails to do so too).


I won't be coming back after S7, I believe. I will instead wait patiently for GRRM's last two novels for ASOIAF, and I'll probably get the follow-up the story deserves.
Yesterday 08:19 PM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

One more thing. I also hope they have a good reason behind doing what they are doing with Arya and Sansa in Winterfell and there is some twist, or it will be really pointless.
Yesterday 08:16 PM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by selyoink View Post
It was not a great episode. When all the action derives from a nonsensical plot line it is hugely problematic. Had they gone beyond the wall because Bran or Sam told Jon that only with the help of the children of the forest could they defeat the army of the dead forever it would've solved the episodes problem. As they would've had a real purpose to find the last remaining children of the forest. As it was everything was contrived based off an idiotic plan that is blatantly not going to work and the audience knows it isn't going to work. The dragon scene should've been one of the best scenes in the history of the show but it fell completely flat.
Yes the plan is stupid, like everything Tyrion said or did this season. Not sure why did they made him so retarded this season. Even in this episode he was really annoying insisting on naming the hair (Why now? I would have smacked him for that, if I was Daenerys) or insisting she does nothing. WTF?. But you are letting that one detail ruin the whole episode for you.

The episode was still amazing. I (and most of the people - based on my friends talking about it and most of the reactions, ...) was on the edge the whole episode. It was extremely tense and action scenes were great. Also the interactions among The Magnificent 7 were awesome. Dragon scenes were not flat at all to me.
I also loved the boat scene and Jon bending the knee and acknowledging what Dany did, as well. Only idiots can have issues with Jon bending the knee, after everything that happened. But it was more than that. It is not about that at all for both of them anymore.

The issues I have with the episode (most of them already listed in the previous posts):
1. Yes the whole plan is far fetched, and all that only to convince freaking Cersei.
2. Gendry, ravens and dragons must have been really really fast.
3. Chains, where did they get the freaking chains. I guess you could argue they found some in say Hardhome, but who dived into the lake to put them around Viserions neck?
4. How the fuck could Night's King one-shot a freaking Dragon with a javelin just like that? That didn't make sense at all and they didn't explain it. That makes Dragons quite weak weapon against Night's King so what i the point of having them at all. Jost does not add up for me.
5. I expected more of the 7 would die, not just Thoros. I think the episode would have been better and more heartbreaking if that happened - Say Tormund or Jorah, although I like them both a lot.
6. Benjen didn't have to die.
7. Everything about Tyrion.
8. Everything about Arya

But don't let details ruin it for you, beside all this it was one of the best GoT episodes. Top 5 for sure. An amazing one. And I quite enjoyed it.
Yesterday 04:47 PM
selyoink
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

It was not a great episode. When all the action derives from a nonsensical plot line it is hugely problematic. Had they gone beyond the wall because Bran or Sam told Jon that only with the help of the children of the forest could they defeat the army of the dead forever it would've solved the episodes problem. As they would've had a real purpose to find the last remaining children of the forest. As it was everything was contrived based off an idiotic plan that is blatantly not going to work and the audience knows it isn't going to work. The dragon scene should've been one of the best scenes in the history of the show but it fell completely flat.
Yesterday 02:09 PM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

LOL at RtD's pretentiousness. It has become trendy in some circles to hate the show now, thinking if you hate it you are better than the rest or mere mortals And RtD is just following that cliche very well. Nitpicking is getting silly now. As said stop watching already if you don't like the show.

It was a great episode and most people actually loved it. As said the show is not about fulfilling RtDs fetishes. The only one who hate it are pretentious trolls mentioned above and dumb Daenerys haters.

Yes, rushing is bad (give us back 3 episodes !@##@!@) and yes couple of things are not done in the best way (mentioned them already in my previous posts), but overall one of the best and most tense episodes.

Another problem is that is was spoiled for most due to stupid plot leaks.
Yesterday 12:38 PM
Roger the Dodger
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Benjen ex machina.
"uncco bin gin"
Uncle Plugin might have been a better name though.

D&D admitted he is Coldhands from the books in a recent interview. Only nobody cares now since they mutilated his storyline.
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