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Why all this hype about Djokovic???

richie21
03-12-2007, 03:51 PM
i can understand the hype about Murray as like Gasquet,he has already beaten some top players and he has also a good game to watch but seriously i don t understand the hype about Djokovic.

scoobs
03-12-2007, 03:54 PM
Djokovic has taken a different route to Murray and Gasquet - it's been much steadier, incremental. He has a good, solid, unflashy sort of game. To me, it's not spectacular and I feel it needs something to take him much higher - I can't quite see a huge weapon on him (yet). In any case, he's continued to develop and improve and should carry on doing so yet.

The big wins do need to start coming, though, I think - he's almost as high as he can get without starting to turn over top 10 players more regularly.

To be the man, you gotta beat the man - if Nole wants to be top 10 this is what he needs to do more of now.

Xristos
03-12-2007, 04:07 PM
Novak has game and is a really really nice guy off the court.


Geeze I look bad in that pic.

Bobby
03-12-2007, 04:07 PM
I don't think there's any hype. Djokovic is a young player who has shown that he can play some excellent tennis. I'd rather think that Gasquet is the one who gets more attention than he really should.

rubsch
03-12-2007, 04:09 PM
I dont understand this hype as well... IMO Gasquet is the more talented player but there isn't a hype about him... well Djocovic seems to have something special^^

Jimnik
03-12-2007, 04:13 PM
Djokovic and Berdych are popular players and are therefore a little overrated.

scoobs
03-12-2007, 04:13 PM
Berdych really is overrated. People base their assumptions of him on the 15-20% of matches where he plays excellent aggressive tennis and overlook the rest of the time when he really does play pretty brainlessly. He is like Safin but without nearly as much success as Safin had by this stage.

my0118
03-12-2007, 04:25 PM
Djokovic has taken a different route to Murray and Gasquet - it's been much steadier, incremental. He has a good, solid, unflashy sort of game. To me, it's not spectacular and I feel it needs something to take him much higher - I can't quite see a huge weapon on him (yet). In any case, he's continued to develop and improve and should carry on doing so yet.

The big wins do need to start coming, though, I think - he's almost as high as he can get without starting to turn over top 10 players more regularly.

To be the man, you gotta beat the man - if Nole wants to be top 10 this is what he needs to do more of now.

I kind of agree with you.
Murray and Gasquet are usually hyped by their natural abilities. However, I think Nole is more consistent (except for the serving for the set or match game choking)
and mature than these guys when it comes to games and that is the reason he is where he is now even though I can't see Nole has some big strengths.
So just in my opinion, once Murray and Gasquet find their form other than the side of their natural abilities like more consistency, mental strength and wise tactics
(I think Murray is finding them quicker than Gasquet), Nole might have to do much more works to win against them.

AnnaK_4ever
03-12-2007, 04:27 PM
..................... DJOKOVIC ....... GASQUET ....... MURRAY

Age .................... 19 ............ 20 ............ 19

WON ..................... 4 ............. 4 ............. 2
RU ...................... 2 ............. 3 ............. 3
SF ...................... 2 ............. 3 ............. 5
QF ...................... 4 ............. 4 ............. 4

Career W-L record ..... 77-37 ......... 96-66 ......... 77-40
....................... 0.675 ......... 0.593 ......... 0.658

Grand Slams ........ QF-1; 4r-2 ....... 4r-4 .......... 4r-3
Gran Slams W-L ........ 17-9 .......... 15-14 ......... 12-7

Masters ........... W-1; F-1; QF-1 .. F-2; SF-1 ..... SF-3; QF-1
Masters W-L ........... 18-10 ......... 25-17 ......... 21-12

vs Top-10 .............. 5-12 .......... 2-18 .......... 9-10
at Grand Slams ......... 2-5 ........... 0-5 ........... 1-2
at Masters ............. 2-4 ........... 2-7 ........... 5-4


Head-to-head records:
Djokovic leads Gasquet 1-0, Murray 3-0
Gasquet trails Djokovic 0-1, leads Murray 1-0
Murray trails Djokovic 0-3, Gasquet 0-1

Deivid23
03-12-2007, 04:29 PM
:haha:

adee-gee
03-12-2007, 04:32 PM
..................... Djokovic .... Gasquet .... Murray

Age .................... 19 ......... 20 ......... 19

Titles won .............. 3 .......... 4 .......... 3

Career W-L record ..... 66-36 ...... 93-64 ...... 69-38
....................... 0.647 ...... 0.592 ...... 0.645

Grand Slams ......... QF-1; 4r-2 ... 4r-4 ....... 4r-3
GS W-L ................ 17-9 ....... 15-14 ...... 12-7

Masters ............... QF-1 ..... F-2; SF-1 .. SF-1; QF-1
Masters W-L ............ 7-9 ....... 22-15 ...... 13-10


Head-to-head records:
Djokovic leads Gasquet 1-0, Murray 1-0
Gasquet trails Djokovic 0-1, Murray 0-1
Murray trails Djokovic 0-1, leads Gqasquet 1-0
Great post, I guess that answers the the thread starter's question.

Case closed.

Puschkin
03-12-2007, 04:34 PM
Gasquet trails Djokovic 0-1, Murray 0-1
Murray trails Djokovic 0-1, leads Gqasquet 1-0]............


Not quite. Gasquet leads Murray 1-0, 6-2 7-5 Toronto SF 2006.

uglyamerican
03-12-2007, 04:35 PM
You gave Murray an extra title.

Just 2 titles for him.

case
03-12-2007, 04:37 PM
Great post, I guess that answers the the thread starter's question.

Case closed.

except for the fact that gasquet beat murray.:rolleyes:
making a false statement hardly proves any point:p

Deivid23
03-12-2007, 04:37 PM
I´ll take this thread has a big dose of irony written all over it

richie21
03-12-2007, 04:41 PM
Head-to-head records:
Djokovic leads Gasquet 1-0, Murray 1-0
Gasquet trails Djokovic 0-1, Murray 0-1
Murray trails Djokovic 0-1, leads Gqasquet 1-0


Gasquet leads 1-0 against Murray(he won in straight sets against him at Toronto last year) :o

Great post, I guess that answers the the thread starter's question.

Case closed.

yeah,it shows that Djokovic has yet to do a big performance in a MS contrary to the other two youngsters....and more importantly he has yet to beat a really top player. :o

AnnaK_4ever
03-12-2007, 04:48 PM
Not quite. Gasquet leads Murray 1-0, 6-2 7-5 Toronto SF 2006.

You gave Murray an extra title.

Just 2 titles for him.

Gasquet leads 1-0 against Murray(he won in straight sets against him at Toronto last year) :o

Yes, yes, yes. My bad :smash: Was in hurry.
All corrected. Added some other info.

AnnaK_4ever
03-12-2007, 04:52 PM
yeah,it shows that Djokovic has yet to do a big performance in a MS contrary to the other two youngsters....and more importantly he has yet to beat a really top player. :o

Nole has reached Slam QF unlike the other two, though. And about beating top-players check Gasquet's record :help:

scoobs
03-12-2007, 04:55 PM
You can see positives and negatives in all 3 sets of records.

All three are still pretty young and have time to make more of an impact.

vamosnadal
03-12-2007, 04:56 PM
Despite the numbers, still not convinced about Djokovic. He's a good solid player, but I can't see him becoming a regular member of the top ten.

Jimnik
03-12-2007, 04:57 PM
..................... Djokovic .... Gasquet .... Murray

Age .................... 19 ......... 20 ......... 19

WON ..................... 3 .......... 4 .......... 2
RU ...................... 1 .......... 3 .......... 3
SF ...................... 2 .......... 3 .......... 3
QF ...................... 4 .......... 4 .......... 4

Career W-L record ..... 66-36 ...... 93-64 ...... 69-38
....................... 0.647 ...... 0.592 ...... 0.645

Grand Slams ......... QF-1; 4r-2 ... 4r-4 ....... 4r-3
GS W-L ................ 17-9 ....... 15-14 ...... 12-7

Masters ............... QF-1 ..... F-2; SF-1 .. SF-1; QF-1
Masters W-L ............ 7-9 ....... 22-15 ...... 13-10

vs Top-10 .............. 4-11 ....... 2-17 ....... 6-9
at Grand Slams ......... 2-5 ........ 0-5 ........ 1-2
at Masters ............. 1-3 ........ 2-6 ........ 2-3


Head-to-head records:
Djokovic leads Gasquet 1-0, Murray 1-0
Gasquet trails Djokovic 0-1, leads Murray 1-0
Murray trails Djokovic 0-1, 0-1
This is going to change a lot this year, starting this week.

It will be interesting to see who gets further.

Shrinking Violet
03-12-2007, 05:00 PM
I still believe Nole is the steadier player out the three - he's not going to have the big wins like Murray and Gasquet (see his running and hiding when Fed was there for the taking last week) but won't have as many bad losses against lower ranked guys because there is less that can go wrong in his game. The other two probably have a bit too much to their game at the moment and just can't hold it together consistantly. Whether that consistancy ever comes will be the deciding factor between them.

knightsky
03-12-2007, 05:02 PM
i can understand the hype about Murray as like Gasquet,he has already beaten some top players and he has also a good game to watch but seriously i don t understand the hype about Djokovic.

How about a steady rise up the year-end rankings, ala Federer.

Djokovic - 2003 (679), 2004 (186), 2005 (78), 2006 (16)
Murray - 2003 (540), 2004 (411), 2005 (64), 2006 (17)
Gasquet - 2001 (1309), 2002 (161), 2003 (93), 2004 (107), 2005 (15), 2006 (18)

Federer - 1997 (704), 1998 (301), 1999 (65), 2000 (29), 2001 (13), 2002 (6), 2003 (2), 2004 (1)

AnnaK_4ever
03-12-2007, 05:04 PM
I still believe Nole is the steadier player out the three - he's not going to have the big wins like Murray and Gasquet

Richard is 2-17 against top-tenners. Win over Federer in MC was his only big win.

scoobs
03-12-2007, 05:07 PM
Richard is 2-17 against top-tenners. Win over Federer in MC was his only big win.
That's an astonishing stat about Gasquet - people see that win over Fed and think he's a bit of a giant killer - but that's virtually his only major win.

Deivid23
03-12-2007, 05:08 PM
I´ll say it again, Nole is a better player than Gasquet, simple as that.

He wasn´t conceeded wild cards unlikely other fellow players from same generation, he made a great effort during past seasons when he qualified for the first 3 Grand Slam´s main draws in 2005 season, etc.. in other words he raised very fast in the rankings just bc of his HUGE talent.

Nole is hyped, welcome to MTF virtual reality :lol:

Shrinking Violet
03-12-2007, 05:10 PM
Richard is 2-17 against top-tenners. Win over Federer in MC was his only big win.

Really? It seems like it should be more? Okay - scrub that then.

Actually I just looked - he's beaten Blake and that's his only win against a top 10 guy last season? :eek: Okay - vastly unfair of Djokovic then to single him out when Gasquet's record is even worse against top 10 players. Apologies to Nole.

frenchie
03-12-2007, 05:14 PM
What????

I can't understand the hype around Murray and Gasquet!!
These 2 players are so mentally fragile.

And Novak is the highest ranked of the 3 despite being the youngest

AnnaK_4ever
03-12-2007, 05:16 PM
Really? It seems like it should be more? Okay - scrub that then.

Actually I just looked - he's beaten Blake and that's his only win against a top 10 guy last season? :eek: Okay - vastly unfair of Djokovic then to single him out when Gasquet's record is even worse against top 10 players. Apologies to Nole.

Yes, win over Federer in Monte Carlo in 2005 and win over Blake in Canada last year are Gasquet's only wins over Top-10 players. I was like :eek: myself...

my0118
03-12-2007, 05:17 PM
Okay We'll see who's gonna go further this week.

Shrinking Violet
03-12-2007, 05:20 PM
What????

I can't understand the hype around Murray and Gasquet!!
These 2 players are so mentally fragile.

And Novak is the highest ranked of the 3 despite being the youngest

He's youngest by a whole week. :lol:

I don't think Murray is mentally fragile - if he was he wouldn't have such a good record against the top 10, would he?

silverwhite
03-12-2007, 05:21 PM
Thread starter :retard:

oz_boz
03-12-2007, 05:52 PM
yeah,it shows that Djokovic has yet to do a big performance in a MS contrary to the other two youngsters....and more importantly he has yet to beat a really top player. :o

:lol:

As if Djokovic should care about not performing as good in MS when he has the best Slam result of the three...and beating top players? Someone has already posted Richie's abysmal record vs top 10.

Besides, Djokovic seems to me very steady in beating players he should, a quality often overlooked but still important.

lucindia
03-12-2007, 07:21 PM
Djokovic is really talented and he deserves all the attention...Everybody was talking about Gasquet and Murray for years (since they are juniors), but no one expected sthg from this young, thin player from Serbia!!! But he improved a lot and very fast, and we cannot compare all the young players they are all different...But Djokovic will do great, im sure

DDrago2
03-12-2007, 07:36 PM
What? Djokovic over-hyped?? What crack are you smoking? It is Gasuqet who is totaly over-hyped! People constantly speak about him while he achieves nothing! How over-rated he is was clear to me during Wimbledon 2006. Federer curshed him like a bug. Since then I don't take him seriously - future champion does not loose that way. And his 2-17 stats against top 10 players don't surprise me at all - that's in accordance with how I feel him. I just can't understand all of this hype around him

But Murray is a different story - moody, but dangerous. He has GS titles in him

Djokovic is also very dangerous. In AO he could have entered the finals, if there was no Federer on his path! I wonder what would you say than. Watch for Djokovic to do serious damage in future on Grands Slams! And he will beat top 10 players along, don't worry

richie21
03-12-2007, 07:44 PM
Richard is 2-17 against top-tenners. Win over Federer in MC was his only big win.

and the one against Blake at the Toronto MS??

danton
03-12-2007, 07:49 PM
That's really shoking for Gasquet - is he just not up to the job against top 10 or is he a bigger choker than PHM?

AnnaK_4ever
03-12-2007, 07:50 PM
and the one against Blake at the Toronto MS??

That win changes everything! EVERYTHING!
Gasquet fucking ROCKS!

jazar
03-12-2007, 07:56 PM
nole has some of the best groundstrokes in the world, a decent serve and a pretty complete game. the more matches against the top players he plays the more he will improve and the more he will climb the rankings.he is easily more talented than someone like murray

ezekiel
03-12-2007, 08:15 PM
Nole is much more explosive than Murray and Gasquet and if you notice great players from Sampras to Federer were all very explosive and able to dictate play . His forehand is a weapon that can dominate and he is very athletic unlike Murray and Gasquet. These two are more finesse for their own good to become dominant players

He is also more ambitious than those two and Roger for one took notice of that and played with purpose against Nole like only few others.

But that's no reason to start questioning Nole and talking down on him , there are always better players coming around and they raise the game level so that others get better

kapranos
03-12-2007, 08:18 PM
djokovic fans are the hilary duff fans of tennis. they're convinced of the talent of their idol but the rest of the world laugh at them.

ezekiel
03-12-2007, 08:21 PM
and about top 10 matches, Nole never played "soft" top 10 players like Blake, Roddick , Davydenko and only once Ljubi (tight loss) and Haas (victory at RG). He had 2 tight matches with Roger that he lost, 2 tight matches with Gonzo that he lost and one victory . So in context it's a different picture

Jelena_78
03-12-2007, 08:32 PM
Ha! We'll see who's laughing at who... Time will show,and maybe you'll feel like a fool in the end. The rest of the world...? Haa!
GO NOLE!!!

Jaap
03-12-2007, 08:34 PM
Gasquet is the overhyped one.

vamosnadal
03-12-2007, 10:06 PM
I don't think Gasquet was necessarily "overhyped", as I think he showed so much natural talent that he deserved all of the talk of his great potential. However, talent and potential aren't enough to win the big matches and I agree that Gasquet unfortunately doesn't seem to be able to cut it at the top and in the big moments and is now probably the weakest of the three.

richie21
03-12-2007, 10:28 PM
and about top 10 matches, Nole never played "soft" top 10 players like Blake, Roddick , Davydenko and only once Ljubi (tight loss) and Haas (victory at RG). He had 2 tight matches with Roger that he lost, 2 tight matches with Gonzo that he lost and one victory . So in context it's a different picture


did he play 6 matches against Federer like Gasquet???no so don t complain.....:o
Actually,the top 10 player against who Gasquet has played the most is by far Federer.
also,to call Blake and Roddick soft top 10 players is very funny to say the least.
Gasquet has a poor record against the top 10 players (although he has beaten some players who weren t top 10 but who are now....Davydenko for example) but you must consider that in his 18 matches against top 10 players,6 of them were against Federer,3 of them against Nadal(only on clay!) and 3 of them against Nalbandian(when Nalbandian used to be good)......not exactly the worst players in the top 10,don t you think??

rexman
03-12-2007, 10:46 PM
I like all three and I can see the three of them taking up slots in the top 5 in a couple years.

Lullaby
03-12-2007, 10:50 PM
I like all three and I can see the three of them taking up slots in the top 5 in a couple years.

Someone with some sense although top 10 rather than top 5 maybe :)

StZox
03-12-2007, 11:08 PM
Djokovic is GOOD!

Deivid23
01-26-2008, 01:36 PM
Funny thread :lol:

betowiec
01-26-2008, 01:52 PM
btw. who is Djokovic?

Langers
01-26-2008, 02:04 PM
btw. who is Djokovic?
Roger 'straight sets' Federer killer. :wavey:

_§_
01-26-2008, 02:06 PM
I haven't noticed any hype regarding Djokovic, unless you count his infantile/old impersonation of Sharapova :)

vidanhv
01-26-2008, 04:28 PM
Do u understand now?

HeretiC
01-26-2008, 05:22 PM
Wow, looks like lot of people made themselves silly back there.

star
01-26-2008, 05:26 PM
Funny thread :lol:

Excellent bump.

yonexforever
01-26-2008, 05:44 PM
I dont understand this hype as well... IMO Gasquet is the more talented player but there isn't a hype about him... well Djocovic seems to have something special^^

Gasquet reminds me too much of Leconte...talented but all flash and no substance.

Merton
01-26-2008, 07:03 PM
Funny thread :lol:

Typical, the thread was started just before IW last year.

Alex999
01-26-2008, 09:38 PM
djokovic fans are the hilary duff fans of tennis. they're convinced of the talent of their idol but the rest of the world laugh at them.

Oh, who is laughing now? :wavey:
Nice bump.

Dzordzzz!
01-27-2008, 01:51 PM
Stupid thread!Djokovic Sampion 1 vs Andy and Richard 0

Chloe le Bopper
01-27-2008, 04:03 PM
Funny thread :lol:
This is why you are my favourite.

Spes
01-27-2008, 05:06 PM
Amazing bump. :yeah:

Deivid23
01-28-2008, 07:54 PM
This is why you are my favourite.

Coming from one of the few characters in here that I can say I´m honoured :cool:

vincayou
01-28-2008, 08:38 PM
Deivid, if it's a way to try and stop Richie21 from posting bullshit, let me warn you that you will be dissapointed.

richie21
01-28-2008, 08:59 PM
AT THE TIME I CREATED THIS THREAD,i think it was right to ask that question as back then,contrary to Murray or Gasquet,Djokovic had yet to beat top players like Federer,Nadal or Roddick and had yet to even make a MS 1/2 final(let alone a MS final)......but obviously,it would be ridiculous to create a thread like this now :)

It's exactly like for the thread where Federer said that Djokovic had a longer way to go than Gasquet and Murray: at the moment he said it(it was in september 2006),he was absolutely right as Gasquet and Murray had achieved bigger things than Djokovic.
The thing is that Djokovic has improved at an incredible rate since then while for some reasons,the other 2 youngsters have more or less stagnated.

squeakyshoes
01-29-2008, 01:24 AM
clearly Djokovic has sent some bad mojo over to Murray, Gasquet et al

to prevent them from succeeding.. :eek:

any relation to individual fitness or training is purely coindidental.

tangerine_dream
01-30-2011, 11:19 PM
Yeah I don't get all the hype either. :confused:

cobalt60
01-30-2011, 11:28 PM
Yeah I don't get all the hype either. :confused:

:rolls: I can't good rep you :( ;)

Certinfy
01-30-2011, 11:29 PM
i can understand the hype about Murray as like Gasquet,he has already beaten some top players and he has also a good game to watch but seriously i don t understand the hype about Djokovic.
Gasquet? :haha: :worship:

Mr. Oracle
01-30-2011, 11:46 PM
you're a legend tangerine dream with all the resurrected threads! you must hold a mean grudge. i luv it.

tangerine_dream
01-30-2011, 11:58 PM
you're a legend tangerine dream with all the resurrected threads! you must hold a mean grudge. i luv it.

Rue the day Roddick wins his second slam (if ever). That'll be the day I eat my first MTF ban. :p

nole_no1
01-31-2011, 12:01 AM
You think Gasquet and Murray are way more talented than Djokovic and you understand the hype about them but you can't understand why people are talking about Djokovic because in your opinion he doesn't deserve it :rolls: :lol: :spit:

yuri27
01-31-2011, 12:38 AM
i can understand the hype about Murray as like Gasquet,he has already beaten some top players and he has also a good game to watch but seriously i don t understand the hype about Djokovic.


:haha::haha::haha::haha:
That Richie21 was a joke.

Alex999
01-31-2011, 01:32 AM
Vintage MTF :yeah:

drf716
01-31-2011, 10:11 AM
i do not like some of today's players like FEDERER and DJOKOVIC. most of the time, i tolerate everyone.

Nole Rules
01-31-2011, 10:43 AM
This thread.:haha:

BIGMARAT
01-31-2011, 02:39 PM
He just won a slam, wheres the overhype?

Marc23
01-31-2011, 02:42 PM
AT THE TIME I CREATED THIS THREAD,i think it was right to ask that question as back then,contrary to Murray or Gasquet,Djokovic had yet to beat top players like Federer,Nadal or Roddick and had yet to even make a MS 1/2 final(let alone a MS final)......but obviously,it would be ridiculous to create a thread like this now :)

It's exactly like for the thread where Federer said that Djokovic had a longer way to go than Gasquet and Murray: at the moment he said it(it was in september 2006),he was absolutely right as Gasquet and Murray had achieved bigger things than Djokovic.
The thing is that Djokovic has improved at an incredible rate since then while for some reasons,the other 2 youngsters have more or less stagnated.


The reality gave you an answer...Unlike you,some people recognized the potential he had back than and a lot of space for improvement!

oranges
01-31-2011, 02:51 PM
:haha::haha::haha::haha:
That Richie21 was a joke.

:lol: It's good that you can laugh at yourself, healthy attitude

Getta
01-31-2011, 03:29 PM
:lol: It's good that you can laugh at yourself, healthy attitude

you can't help feel that he let go of his old identity and as time progresses he grows to love his new one and the way people treat him.

Blackbriar
01-31-2011, 03:29 PM
Richie21 is an inspiration for all of us. After all, Why all this hype about Djokovic???

Marc23
01-31-2011, 05:07 PM
Richie21 is an inspiration for all of us.

Well,some people don't like what they see,so...Why all this hype about Djokovic?