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(LL) Guillermo Canas def. (1) Roger Federer 7-5, 6-2

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fenomeno2111
03-12-2007, 02:11 AM
Congrats WILLY! Way to let everyone know you are back !!!

Andre♥
03-12-2007, 02:11 AM
Three words: lack of motivation

Federer never looked well and Cañas played well, but he wasn't that good. I've seen better from him.

This looked like Cincinatti 2006! Well, open competition right now! The dad is not around, so let the party begin!

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-12-2007, 02:12 AM
Vamos!!

Eye of the Tiger Canas

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

RickDaStick
03-12-2007, 02:12 AM
VAMOSS CHEATER. Always a good day when Club Fed goes down.

Havok
03-12-2007, 02:12 AM
Vamanos.

When's the last time Federer lost in the 1r of an event? Cincy 05 vs Hrbaty no?

ServeAlready81
03-12-2007, 02:12 AM
Wow :eek: But Fed was like at about 35%

MisterQ
03-12-2007, 02:13 AM
Wow. Amazing, Cañas. :eek:

Bilbo
03-12-2007, 02:13 AM
COOOOOOOOMMMMMMEEEEEE OOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!

The biggest fighter on tour did it. This is my man. Genius play by Canas forcing Fed to play one more ball for every point.

LCeh
03-12-2007, 02:13 AM
I think it's time you register with the new nick "Canas = Fed Killa".

2moretogo
03-12-2007, 02:13 AM
No, Federer was beaten soundly and into submission. Don't let Federer's antics fool you. Canas had 9 UFE to Fed's 43.


Canas, does owe Malisse some money though.

Shrinking Violet
03-12-2007, 02:13 AM
Well I didn't see that coming. Well deserved win for Canas though. :yeah:

psichogaucho
03-12-2007, 02:13 AM
:sobbing:

Peoples
03-12-2007, 02:14 AM
Federer got injured and tanked from then on not to hurt himself.

scoobs
03-12-2007, 02:14 AM
Wow.

Amazing match from Willy - serving extremely well, placement was troubling Federer all match and was a wall from the back of the court.

Federer, yeah not great but it's a rare player who finds a way to capitalise. Cañas kept solid and sane and steady and took the chances that came his way.

zicofirol
03-12-2007, 02:14 AM
Federer was to erratic, but credit to Cañas who beat fed on a day where he would of still beaten most players, he just made him play every shot...

adee-gee
03-12-2007, 02:14 AM
:rocker2:

Let the excuses begin :dance:

Serves the arrogant shit right, practising with someone who hasn't played in years.

Cya Fed :wavey:

mecir72
03-12-2007, 02:15 AM
You could see early on that something was up with fed. He was left standing on a simple forehand from canas.

~EMiLiTA~
03-12-2007, 02:16 AM
someone should have been designated "thread" starter" before the match was over to avoid having 50 million threads on this..

anyway....GREAT GREAT GREAT NEWS for Willy!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about make the most of his LL spot!

Every player needs to know how to lose and that includes Federer...he does not lose often enough and I think it is good for him to bring him back to earth a bit. Now we can have a different TMS winner here...EXCELLENT.

Regenbogen
03-12-2007, 02:16 AM
:eek: :eek:

I guess it had to happen eventually what with Fed's early round play, but still :speakles:

Conita
03-12-2007, 02:16 AM
:haha: :haha:
today is just hilarious, all the matches all the scores all the bagels,

nevertheless im glad to see Cañas going through he sure is back for good.
he played amazing tennis and kept his cool :cool: well done :yeah: and welcome back! :hug:

ok so how many conspiracy theories will come now?


i say Federer realized Marat and Tommy were out and he didnt want to miss out xD

Voo de Mar
03-12-2007, 02:17 AM
Cañas is amazing :worship: :worship: :worship: He saved 3 set points in the 1st set when he beat Federer in Toronto 7-6 7-5, this time 2 set points. Would be nice for Roger to overcome Guillermo Villas' record of most winning matches in a row, but Roger was stopped by Guillermo Canas and it is very good for this tournament and the whole men's tennis.

R.Federer
03-12-2007, 02:17 AM
Federer deserved to lose! What a lacklustre performance. SHanking shots, left, right, and over the baseline. :fiery:

Fantastic for Canas, what a complete reversal of fortunes.

Looking for Lleyton to win the tournament....

Gasquet&Feli_Fan
03-12-2007, 02:17 AM
I am shocked!!! Way to go Canas :yeah:

*Viva Chile*
03-12-2007, 02:17 AM
Willy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo: well deserved victory after all that he had to happen with the suspension, he is proving with with good tennis that he's back!!! :cool:

Roger :hug: it seems that his feet are not well.

+alonso
03-12-2007, 02:17 AM
:eek: I mean We all know Federer was off, but Cañas was able to take all his chances, :eek: This is a shocker result but Well deserved to Cañas! :wosrhip: CONGRATS! :hatoff:

Byrd
03-12-2007, 02:18 AM
Federer was awful throughout the match, I thought I was watching Gaudio playing, his mentality in the 2nd set was poor wasn't even trying. All canas had to do was to keep the ball in play and fed would hit a UE. He also had an injury so I think he may of thought about the clay season, so agitating it anymore. The stats of the 1st set tell it all:

Winners UEs
Federer 22 28
Canas 4 7

Gonzalo81
03-12-2007, 02:18 AM
VAMOS WILLY! :worship:

Great game! Great fight! Solid Tennis...

I´m so happy! :bounce:

Flibbertigibbet
03-12-2007, 02:18 AM
I hope Cañas can capitalize and go far in the draw. I wanna see Hewitt and him face off, that'd be grit!

~EMiLiTA~
03-12-2007, 02:18 AM
Vamanos.

When's the last time Federer lost in the 1r of an event? Cincy 05 vs Hrbaty no?

wasn't it last year in Cincy against Murray? or was that 2nd round? can't remember..

trixtah
03-12-2007, 02:19 AM
Federer got injured and tanked from then on not to hurt himself.

always good to see idiots the idiots come out in defense. Canas scrambled for shots that would have been winners versus other players forcing errors from Roger. Obviously, you didn't watch the match, so don't comment.

Great stuff from Canas

Gasquet&Feli_Fan
03-12-2007, 02:19 AM
oh well he looses one match in 6 months :lol:

richie21
03-12-2007, 02:20 AM
:rocker2:

Let the excuses begin :dance:

Serves the arrogant shit right, practising with someone who hasn't played in years.

Cya Fed :wavey:


and the whinging begins! :rolleyes:

marcelwks
03-12-2007, 02:21 AM
Willy :bowdown:
Never give up !

GlennMirnyi
03-12-2007, 02:21 AM
:haha:

What a joke Federer.

martine2
03-12-2007, 02:22 AM
WILLY:woohoo: :woohoo: !!!!!

hablovah19
03-12-2007, 02:22 AM
:sad::sad::sad:

Grinder
03-12-2007, 02:22 AM
Thanks for cashing me in big time Willy.

Was anyone else surprised to see that Cañas didn't seem surprised or really happy after the win? Really calm and collected.

Argenbrit
03-12-2007, 02:22 AM
Wow :eek: :eek: :eek:

Congrats to Cañas.

NicoFan
03-12-2007, 02:22 AM
WHOO HOOO FOR WILLY!

:woohoo:

I'm so proud of him!

WHAT A FIGHER! :fiery:

A :hug: for Fed and his record.

dylan24
03-12-2007, 02:22 AM
are they going to drug test canas after the match?
they should.
he's all hopped up on something.

mangoes
03-12-2007, 02:23 AM
Congrats Canas.

Hope Roger isn't injured and it was just a bad afternoon........if so, better here than at the FO :D

Best of Luck to Andy.........Win This.


Great to see the Rafatards, I haven't seen in a while, out to celebrate Roger's loss.

LocoPorElTenis
03-12-2007, 02:23 AM
The unbreakable fighting spirit prevailed.
A great day for tennis.

Bilbo
03-12-2007, 02:23 AM
My own man beat Federer. Sometimes the solution is nearer than you think :haha:

Mad props to Willy and a well deserved win :yeah:

Where are all the bashers now who said he will not reach the top10?

Peoples
03-12-2007, 02:23 AM
always good to see idiots the idiots come out in defense. Canas scrambled for shots that would have been winners versus other players forcing errors from Roger. Obviously, you didn't watch the match, so don't comment.

Great stuff from Canas
I watched it, you pathetic dopetard. Federer tanked, he didn't move at a lot of reasonable Canas's shots, and was spraying simple groundstrokes like he hasn't done for years.

allblue
03-12-2007, 02:24 AM
Cañas!!!!!!!! CONGRATS!!!! First Fat Dave won and now Cañas beat FED, today is NOT REAL!!!!!

But then Marat lost...reality check I guess.

Chloe le Bopper
03-12-2007, 02:24 AM
I guess that he decided he didn't want to win this week.

Aerien
03-12-2007, 02:25 AM
Whoah. I knew Canas could do SOME damage but to actually go for the kill? :o

gogogirl
03-12-2007, 02:25 AM
Hey All,

I knew Roger would lose sooner than later this year - and I wondered if Canas could do it upon his hanging tough in the first set. After he won it - I had a feeling he would pull an upset. He is an excellent defender and returner, for sure. I thought it would be some upstart youngin' to trip Fex-Ex up - but it was the wiley vet.

Good on Canas for hanging on in there - and taking Fed out of his comfort zone. The tour is DEEP.

Too many players try to create an opening against Roger when it is not there or they try to hit an outright winner against him. I think this match shows that one should concentrate on making him play at least one more ball. And of course - the errors he dished up didn't help.

"CONGRATULATION CANAS" "WELCOME BACK TO THE TOUR "

"COME BACK IN MIAMI - ROGER"

gusman890
03-12-2007, 02:25 AM
Canas!!!


Vamos Dude!

guga2120
03-12-2007, 02:25 AM
Wow, i had to go check it believe it.

You know what happened last year when Federer was knocked out early, Andy Roddick must be just giddy right now.

Allstar
03-12-2007, 02:25 AM
Disgusting performance from Fed. Around 50 unforced, something wasnt right

omega
03-12-2007, 02:25 AM
wow:eek: amazing match from canas

jenanun
03-12-2007, 02:25 AM
no new winning streak record then.....

yomeK
03-12-2007, 02:26 AM
:sobbing: How sad. :(


Anway, it's a bit pathetic that Federer's loss, and not CANAS' WIN, brings such great joy to so many of you. :help: Many of you guys really should get a life. :o

Federer, my 10 time Grand Slam Champion, please bring it at the Nasdaq as I will be there supporting you. :hug: Rest up. It isn't easy being on such a long winning streak. The pressure, the hype, the camera lights... :hearts: :hug: :smooch:

Caralimon
03-12-2007, 02:26 AM
What a comeback.

So Waske is the best player in the world right now.

dylan24
03-12-2007, 02:26 AM
Thanks for cashing me in big time Willy.

Was anyone else surprised to see that Cañas didn't seem surprised or really happy after the win? Really calm and collected.

that would be the drugs.

tangerine_dream
03-12-2007, 02:26 AM
Too big. :shrug:

scoobs
03-12-2007, 02:27 AM
I don't care what reasons or excuses people make on Roger's behalf - he deserved to lose that match and Cañas deserved to win it on that display. It's as simple as that.

adee-gee
03-12-2007, 02:27 AM
:haha:

What a joke Federer.
Is that all you have to say on the matter? :awww:
Was anyone else surprised to see that Cañas didn't seem surprised or really happy after the win? Really calm and collected.
Federer is his bitch (2-1 h2h), expected result ;)
are they going to drug test canas after the match?
they should.
he's all hopped up on something.
:haha: :bigwave:
I watched it, you pathetic dopetard. Federer tanked, he didn't move at a lot of reasonable Canas's shots, and was spraying simple groundstrokes like he hasn't done for years.
:haha: :bigwave:

Peoples
03-12-2007, 02:27 AM
are they going to drug test canas after the match?
they should.
he's all hopped up on something.

Good point, they should definitely test that cheater. Not just after this match but as often as possible.

Gonzalo81
03-12-2007, 02:27 AM
Thanks for cashing me in big time Willy.

Was anyone else surprised to see that Cañas didn't seem surprised or really happy after the win? Really calm and collected.

I thought the same thing...I was expecting a bigger reaction from him....but it was so cool....li he knew he was gonna win it :)

Hola Mr. SK
03-12-2007, 02:27 AM
off day for Fed, beef grilled by a lucky loser. well done,Canas!!

nolop
03-12-2007, 02:28 AM
federer coudnt even walk straight:haha:

justClaudia
03-12-2007, 02:28 AM
Congratulations Willy, good match. :)

OddJob
03-12-2007, 02:28 AM
:banana: !!!!!Vamos Willie!!!!! :banana:




Thank you Thank you! :bounce:


Adios Fed :bigwave:

Horatio Caine
03-12-2007, 02:28 AM
Very well done Willy!! :bounce: :bigclap: :worship: :yeah:

kobulingam
03-12-2007, 02:29 AM
IW/Miami are the best tournaments for Federer to lose in. They serve no purpose in terms of preparation for GSs. Federer is better of resting during Miami and playing more on clay (maybe a tourney before MC).

neme6
03-12-2007, 02:29 AM
I hope Federer's injury isn't serious, I fear he may skip Miami. I won't say congratulations to Canas and say that he would have won against anyone else playing like that, it's just not the case, he played average and Fed should have withdrew from the match, he couldn't do anything at the end, he still ran and could have injured himself even more.

Galathea
03-12-2007, 02:29 AM
Roger... next time you want to break some records about consecutive winnings? Stay away from argie players ;) Happened once, happened twice

Good for Willy. Anyone could say Federer wasn't in his best. But he's still Federer and he won matches and tournaments being worst than this. So, no excuses.

Jade Fox
03-12-2007, 02:30 AM
Wow. Just wow.

I predict in Miami that Roger will be out for blood. Seriously, I pity the people who get in his draw.:eek:

rofe
03-12-2007, 02:30 AM
Federer got outplayed by Canas. I was more disappointed by Federer basically giving up when he was a break down in the 2nd. His movement was definitely affected but Canas played an intelligent match with some excellent return of serves, keeping the ball deep in rallies and not giving Federer pace thereby affecting his timing. He was also able to take time away from Fed by playing close to the baseline.

Lets hope Canas doesn't have a let down after this match.

It was surprising to see his lack of emotion after winning the match.

TMJordan
03-12-2007, 02:30 AM
I may have been one of the only ones that thought he could actually win this match.

I love Willy, he never quits.

:worship::banana::bowdown::yeah:

Argenbrit
03-12-2007, 02:31 AM
Vilas must be breathing now. :lol:

CyBorg
03-12-2007, 02:31 AM
I don't care what reasons or excuses people make on Roger's behalf - he deserved to lose that match and Cañas deserved to win it on that display. It's as simple as that.

I am a big fan of Canas, but he didn't even play all that well today. His fighting spirit was on as usual, but all he did was put the ball in play.

Fed was hurt. His lateral movement was completely gone. You'd have to be a blind retard to believe that Federer simply LOST the match because Canas was better.

That being said, as someone's mentioned already, Federer did not go out of his way to sacrifice his body and pull this one out. He knew that even if he won this match he was probably done for the tournament. He's resting until Miami.

BaselineSmash
03-12-2007, 02:31 AM
Great way for Canas to crown his comeback, following recent Davis Cup performance and title triumph in Brazil. An obvious comment, but his play here was much better than the last time he and Federer played in IW. Could it be that he's returned stronger than ever?

Federer was so below-par he couldn't have seen his best form if he'd looked for it on the horizon. A fairly subdued match from both, actually. Canas never got ahead of himself, playing solidly throughout, and his celebration at the end was far from emphatic.

Jlee
03-12-2007, 02:32 AM
You know, when I saw the draw I thought that Canas could challenge him. Maybe take a set off, since it's early in the tourney. But oh my word...no one saw that coming.

What's Federer thinking right now?

marti_228
03-12-2007, 02:32 AM
Amazing!
I think this is dedicated to everyone that said Cañas was pathetic after he lost to Waske.
Don't start with the typical excuses: Fed couldn't move and blah blah.
If he had played better and Cañas worse, Federer would have won. To beat him you need to play well and he has to play bad.
Cañas is definetely back.

embellish
03-12-2007, 02:32 AM
If only we had Round Robin, this would never have happened. ;)

:lol:

GlennMirnyi
03-12-2007, 02:32 AM
Is that all you have to say on the matter? :awww:


I'm no fanboy like you to make excuses when a player loses.

CyBorg
03-12-2007, 02:33 AM
It was surprising to see his lack of emotion after winning the match.

It's not surprising at all.

He know why he's moving on to the next round and it's not because he played lights out.

Voo de Mar
03-12-2007, 02:33 AM
Alexander Waske is great, a couple days ago he beat Willy in Indian Wells :lol:
Did ever "lucky loser" defeat No. 1 in the world?

Shrinking Violet
03-12-2007, 02:33 AM
It's probably for the best for Fed. He's been mailing it in quite often during the streak and this should hopefully refocus him.

I don't like the whole 'he tanked' thing every time he loses a match. He sucked and the other guy played better and won. That doesn't mean he tanked - he just had a really bad day.

psichogaucho
03-12-2007, 02:34 AM
that would be the drugs.

:smoke:

a llorar a la iglesia :)

Fergie
03-12-2007, 02:34 AM
Pathetic match Rogi :ras:

Congrats Willy! :yeah:

Sutti
03-12-2007, 02:34 AM
¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡vvvvvvvaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamooooooooooooooooo ossssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grrracias Willyyy Por Tanttttoss Huevos Y Tanto Teniiiis!!!

The Freak
03-12-2007, 02:35 AM
Canas, you're my hero, I am jumping on the bandwagon.:worship:

Nalbandian!!!
03-12-2007, 02:35 AM
vamos willy !!!!!!!


please no more excuses and accept guillermo put his heart on the the court!

RickDaStick
03-12-2007, 02:35 AM
Settle down Dopetards. Fed had early dinner reservations that he couldnt miss. No big deal.

Sjengster
03-12-2007, 02:36 AM
:sobbing: How sad. :(


Anway, it's a bit pathetic that Federer's loss, and not CANAS' WIN, brings such great joy to so many of you. :help: Many of you guys really should get a life. :o

Federer, my 10 time Grand Slam Champion, please bring it at the Nasdaq as I will be there supporting you. :hug: Rest up. It isn't easy being on such a long winning streak. The pressure, the hype, the camera lights... :hearts: :hug: :smooch:

Oh come on, be realistic - I'm surprised the board hasn't crashed yet. ;)

There was definitely something wrong with Federer, but few would have been able to play as smart and tough a match as Canas to get the victory, and to close it out convincingly showed remarkable composure. I mean in comparison with last year's Cincy defeat, Canas certainly played to a much higher standard than Murray did.

It's not exactly time to panic for Federer, but whether it's blisters or ankles or whatever, there is still a weakness in the feet that's been there for a good two years or so now, and it doesn't seem to be going away. The good news is that there's virtually two weeks for him until Miami starts up, so let's hope for improved fitness there. I don't buy the theory that for him it's now all about the Slams and that he won't care too much about this loss - three-time defending champion, a chance for a record win and he blows it along with nearly 500 ranking points? That could be damaging somewhere down the line.

adee-gee
03-12-2007, 02:36 AM
I'm no fanboy like you to make excuses when a player loses.
Nah, you just don't comment at all because you haven't got a clue how godboy lost :awww:

jenanun
03-12-2007, 02:36 AM
Alexander Waske is great, a couple days ago he beat Willy in Indian Wells :lol:
Did ever "lucky loser" defeat No. 1 in the world?

NOT only no.1 in the world, but someone who has won the last 3 slams, has a winning streak of 41 matches, and have the longest consecutive weeks as no.1..... the best ever world no.1...... lost to a luckly loser.... :eek:

Deivid23
03-12-2007, 02:36 AM
Huge props to Willy, very deserved win and he had a huge confidence in his chances for today it seems, he even told Corretja before the match "Hablamos tras el partido" (Alex was gonna interview the winner of the match court side :lol: )

el_croata
03-12-2007, 02:36 AM
well, looks like roger should take some drugs too now
that's probably only way he can reach the record

btw, which argentinian player is next to be banned for drug use
or maybe rafa?

Gonzalo81
03-12-2007, 02:37 AM
The haters are getting boooooooooring!!!


Why don´t you start a thread just to hate cañas?
That way I don´t have to put up with all your nonsense!

Fedever
03-12-2007, 02:37 AM
That sucked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:
I hope Roger is not injured.

Long live the KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LLeytonRules
03-12-2007, 02:37 AM
I am starting to wonder when he had some foot problems.He didnt lit the world on fire in dubai.I hope he gets better.He started out very flat and disinterested.He needs to come back with more fire.By the way, how many points will he lose?

cmurray
03-12-2007, 02:38 AM
wow. There simply aren't words. I didn't get to see the match, but it sounds like Roger's first round "jitters" finally caught up with him.

LocoPorElTenis
03-12-2007, 02:38 AM
Federer is a better player than Cañas, we all know that. He had an off day, it's obvious. BUT, Federer still beats 99% of players even on off days. Why? Because most other players don't believe. Willy had absolute belief in himself and fought for every ball as if it was the last of his life. That sets him apart from the rest of the tour. And that's why it was him who could take advantage of a less-than-stellar day by Federer when many others had failed.

Way to go Willy, you deserve it :yeah:

SushiMinimal
03-12-2007, 02:38 AM
Cañas just played a la agassi, standing over the base all the time

federer´s forehand suffers with a powerful counterattack. For sure it's hard to do this against him but cañas did it supremely. Federer's backhand was just regretable this was a surprise.

It seems that the dubai trip to california was way too long. And the mental fatigue is a factor to consider too.

federer's injury is a phony.

in quarter or semis this match had gone to 3° set

Corey Feldman
03-12-2007, 02:38 AM
Props to Canas... he is back and he will be absolutely unbelievable on the european clay swing id say.

Nothing you can say champ, you cant put in these sloppy 1st/2nd round matches when you draw someone like Canas, sort it out.

no way am i having blisters or whatever excuses, Fed got his handed to him and that is that.

now save this tournament for me Muzza.

bad gambler
03-12-2007, 02:39 AM
When was the last time a LL beat the number 1 player in a masters/grand slam?

mir
03-12-2007, 02:39 AM
Federer got injured and tanked from then on not to hurt himself.

ow you mean that tiny little blister I saw on his right toe? Big BOEHOE

I guess that he decided he didn't want to win this week.

And miss out on his 387410837356 record? :eek: Never

If only we had Round Robin, this would never have happened. ;)

Let's start a petition in favour of RR :D

Tomy
03-12-2007, 02:40 AM
Hey hey hey, why is everyone trying to say that it was Federer the one that lost and not cañas the one that beated him??? Yes, Federer didn't play well, but most of the players on the tournament would have lost against him today...
So please, Cañas is already a lucky loser, don't try to make him seem as a lucky winner aswell...

WAY TO GO WILLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peoples
03-12-2007, 02:40 AM
Roger... next time you want to break some records about consecutive winnings? Stay away from argie players ;) Happened once, happened twice

Good for Willy. Anyone could say Federer wasn't in his best. But he's still Federer and he won matches and tournaments being worst than this. So, no excuses.

You're a moron. Federer had trouble walking

CyBorg
03-12-2007, 02:40 AM
federer's injury is a phony.

You don't know what you're talking about.

asotgod
03-12-2007, 02:40 AM
This is the worst I have ever seen Fed play. I dont think there was something wrong with his foot to be honest. I just think the pressure seemed to have gotten to him. He just could not withstand it. A lot is being said that Canas was defending like Nadal. That's a big lie. Despite those supposed defences, Fed had so many routine shots that he missed, many of them unthinkable and he could not even motivate himself as if he just didn't want to try at all. Someone from the crowd shouted when Fed had an easy overhead and he simply missed it. He just seemed to have no confidence at all, and this match showed what a big difference confidence does to someone's game. Without confidence, Fed seemed just an average club player. He looked just as ordinary as everyone. I haven't seen him look out of sorts not because of what the opponent was doing but because he just could not get it going. What defense exactly are people crying that Canas did? How many easy down the line forehands, easy volleys, overhead, and Fed just did not seem to be able to move as he wanted. He probably came into the match expecting a stroll or something but I bet he must have been thinking about the streak. I wont be surprised he will deny that in his match conference but I particularly think it's a good loss both for Fed and the game of tennis. Now you guys can see other players win and Fed can go into the rest of the year without the streak pressure and hungry for the next masters and the French. Those are the ones that count. I am willing to bet that should Fed meet Canas any other time this year, it will be lights out for the guy. I am happy he won but I would have wanted a win where both guys were playing well. Canas was pretty ordinary as well but just kept the ball into play knowing fully well Fed will self-destroy. Well, he did what he had to do and that's what counts in tennis, not what ifs. Good luck to Canas and about time Fed is brought down and the haters at least understand that he is just human as well. Fed is not God. God is God and He is the only one who does not change. Some disappointments are blessings. Anyways, later

jayjay
03-12-2007, 02:40 AM
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9625/canaska1.png

Giggles
03-12-2007, 02:40 AM
Thanks for cashing me in big time Willy.

Was anyone else surprised to see that Cañas didn't seem surprised or really happy after the win? Really calm and collected.

It was nice to see something like that. Cañas is classy enough not to be overjoyed in front of the injured opponent.

Roger The Great
03-12-2007, 02:41 AM
I am a big fan of Canas, but he didn't even play all that well today. His fighting spirit was on as usual, but all he did was put the ball in play.

Fed was hurt. His lateral movement was completely gone. You'd have to be a blind retard to believe that Federer simply LOST the match because Canas was better.

That being said, as someone's mentioned already, Federer did not go out of his way to sacrifice his body and pull this one out. He knew that even if he won this match he was probably done for the tournament. He's resting until Miami.

Yeah, this was a really strange match. Canas played hard and kept putting balls in play. That's what he needed to do to win today. All credit to Willy.

But it was a very strange match from Fed. In the first set, I got the sense that he was off and was going to have a real fight on his hands to turn it around. The weird thing is that the fight never came. He kind of went through the motions in the second set and to say his footwork was subpar is an understatement. Not sure what to say about that really. I'm sure he was glad to give the people who hate him something to cheer about on here.

Congrats to Canas. :clap2:

shotgun
03-12-2007, 02:41 AM
I told you guys yesterday that Canas would give Federer a run for his money. ;)

But of course I wasn't expecting Canas to win in straights. :lol:

Federer thought that he would win the match bringing his 'B' game to the court, like he always does in first-round matches. Big mistake.

By the way, when was the last time Federer lost to a LUCKY-LOSER? :lol:

marti_228
03-12-2007, 02:41 AM
Settle down Dopetards. Fed had early dinner reservations that he couldnt miss. No big deal.

When Cañas lost he was the worst player in the world, he was a dopper and I don't remember what else. Now, you only say that. hahaha

scoobs
03-12-2007, 02:42 AM
I am a big fan of Canas, but he didn't even play all that well today. His fighting spirit was on as usual, but all he did was put the ball in play.

Fed was hurt. His lateral movement was completely gone. You'd have to be a blind retard to believe that Federer simply LOST the match because Canas was better.

That being said, as someone's mentioned already, Federer did not go out of his way to sacrifice his body and pull this one out. He knew that even if he won this match he was probably done for the tournament. He's resting until Miami.
I think that's overstating things. Roger *may* have had problems with the blister he got treated but what lost it for him was mainly his own lack of control on the ball even when he was in position, and Canas making him hit a lot of balls.

Ultimately it doesn't matter. Willy got the job done - even in that situation at least 75% of the top 50 still wouldn't have, in my opinion. Canas got it done, Federer didn't perform and was the second best player on the day, clearly. It wasn't flashy from Canas, it was steady and that's exactly what was needed here.

DDrago2
03-12-2007, 02:43 AM
This is so sad If Federer broke that Vilas record there would be much more order in the galaxy.

He will never have this chance again

Federer was unlucky this time and this defeat is going hurt him much, expecialy since he had set points. So unlucky. I didn't wach the mach so I don't know what happened, but coming so to from one of the biggest tennis records and just missing it is painfull

As for Canas "the fighter" - it's not fight that won him this match but his better game and more luck on the day.
And it's so irritating when guys like Fed Killa (by the way, what are you doing here? ;-) ) continue preaching their's stupid "heart wins" religion

rofe
03-12-2007, 02:43 AM
I would say exactly the opposite. When records like these are on the line, he gets really nervous. Srichapan should have won against Fed last year in Cincy but choked so Fed lost in the 2nd round against Murray instead of the 1st round. This time Canas didn't and he won.

However, I am pretty sure that he is angry with himself for losing 500 points.

He was lethargic on court today and until I hear from Fed I don't know what to make of it. It didn't seem like it was his blister or the ankle.

Oh come on, be realistic - I'm surprised the board hasn't crashed yet. ;)

There was definitely something wrong with Federer, but few would have been able to play as smart and tough a match as Canas to get the victory, and to close it out convincingly showed remarkable composure. I mean in comparison with last year's Cincy defeat, Canas certainly played to a much higher standard than Murray did.

It's not exactly time to panic for Federer, but whether it's blisters or ankles or whatever, there is still a weakness in the feet that's been there for a good two years or so now, and it doesn't seem to be going away. The good news is that there's virtually two weeks for him until Miami starts up, so let's hope for improved fitness there. I don't buy the theory that for him it's now all about the Slams and that he won't care too much about this loss - three-time defending champion, a chance for a record win and he blows it along with nearly 500 ranking points? That could be damaging somewhere down the line.

Conita
03-12-2007, 02:43 AM
ahh big deal Federer still has like double more points than any1 else
i'm just happy he lost, so now the tourney is anyone's for once!
and also it makes everything slightly more exciting.
injured or not he lost and willy won, he played good federer for once didn't

GET OVER IT!

Voo de Mar
03-12-2007, 02:43 AM
Federer is a better player than Cañas, we all know that. He had an off day, it's obvious. BUT, Federer still beats 99% of players even on off days. Why? Because most other players don't believe. Willy had absolute belief in himself and fought for every ball as if it was the last of his life.


Exactly. Canas is unique, from many players with similar achievement to his, Canas' career is special. He has an amazing belief :worship:

Jlee
03-12-2007, 02:44 AM
Okay, what's the truth about the injury? Was it a blister? I didn't get to see the match, what were they saying?

GlennMirnyi
03-12-2007, 02:44 AM
Nah, you just don't comment at all because you haven't got a clue how godboy lost :awww:

No, the one without any kind of clue about tennis and match-ups is you, not me.

LinkMage
03-12-2007, 02:44 AM
Federer played like crap. 43 UEs to Cañas' 9 UEs. Cañas plays like Nadal chasing every single ball and forcing the opponent to miss out of frustration. He's also very steady making very few UEs.

CyBorg
03-12-2007, 02:44 AM
It was nice to see something like that. Cañas is classy enough not to be overjoyed in front of the injured opponent.

Both guys are class. Canas was appropriately collected, while Roger was cool enough to sign some autographs after a tough loss (something Agassi never did).

dylan24
03-12-2007, 02:45 AM
sad day for tennis

Corey Feldman
03-12-2007, 02:45 AM
but it sounds like Roger's first round "jitters" finally caught up with him.Exactly! spot on..
someone else see's it.

i thought it was just me

its pathetic really that he is like this now :help:

cmurray
03-12-2007, 02:45 AM
Props to Canas... he is back and he will be absolutely unbelievable on the european clay swing id say.

Nothing you can say champ, you cant put in these sloppy 1st/2nd round matches when you draw someone like Canas, sort it out.

no way am i having blisters or whatever excuses, Fed got his handed to him and that is that.

now save this tournament for me Muzza.

Gotta give you props for not making excuses. I've sorta got my fingers crossed for Murray too. I gotta cheer for my cousin. :lol:

Havok
03-12-2007, 02:46 AM
:sobbing: How sad. :(


Anway, it's a bit pathetic that Federer's loss, and not CANAS' WIN, brings such great joy to so many of you. :help: Many of you guys really should get a life. :o

Federer, my 10 time Grand Slam Champion, please bring it at the Nasdaq as I will be there supporting you. :hug: Rest up. It isn't easy being on such a long winning streak. The pressure, the hype, the camera lights... :hearts: :hug: :smooch:
It's not like Federer loses 10+ times a year. Even since 2004 you can count his loses on one hand! So no this is hardly pathetic/unexpected that people are happy moreso for Federer losing than Canas winning in this match.

Plus it's always great when there's a big event and you already know that Federer isn't gonna win it and put everyone to sleep. NOW the field and the tournament finally gets interesting because the # of people who had a legit shot at this title like quadrupled.

neme6
03-12-2007, 02:46 AM
I can't believe that some guys are still saying that Canas beat him fair and square, have you seen the match? if so you have to be blind not to see that Fed was injured, his movement was so poor, it's not even 50% of his B game.

cmurray
03-12-2007, 02:47 AM
sad day for tennis

Not really. Sad day for Federer fans though.

scoobs
03-12-2007, 02:47 AM
There's just no need for excuses here. He lost one, it happens sometimes, the sky ain't gonna fall in, and now the draw's been blown wide open.

It could be a fun week :)

RickDaStick
03-12-2007, 02:48 AM
Both guys are class. Canas was appropriately collected, while Roger was cool enough to sign some autographs after a tough loss (something Agassi never did).


Lets not make stuff up here. Fed walked right off the court and simply waved to the court.

scoobs
03-12-2007, 02:48 AM
I can't believe that some guys are still saying that Canas beat him fair and square, have you seen the match? if so you have to be blind not to see that Fed was injured, his movement was so poor, it's not even 50% of his B game.
SO WHAT.

Federer chose to play even if he is injured, he fronted up and played and lost. Ergo he was beaten fair and square.

I'm a big Federer fan but Jesus - he lost. Tough titty said the kitty. Deal.

Peoples
03-12-2007, 02:48 AM
I can't believe that some guys are still saying that Canas beat him fair and square, have you seen the match? if so you have to be blind not to see that Fed was injured, his movement was so poor, it's not even 50% of his B game.

You're right it was far from an equal contest out there. Federer didn't retire out of respect for Canas.

scoobs
03-12-2007, 02:48 AM
Lets not make stuff up here. Fed walked right off the court and simply waved to the court.
He signed autographs near the entrance to the court - I saw it.

trixtah
03-12-2007, 02:49 AM
I watched it, you pathetic dopetard. Federer tanked, he didn't move at a lot of reasonable Canas's shots, and was spraying simple groundstrokes like he hasn't done for years.

cry more

Good point, they should definitely test that cheater. Not just after this match but as often as possible.

cry more about nonsensical things

You're a moron. Federer had trouble walking

oh man, the excuses just keep getting worse...cry more

I'm a huge Federer fan and I'm crushed that he lost today but even I can see that while Federer is a better player than Canas, he lost today not from tanking, but because Canas was putting extra balls into play. Anyway, Federer has to lose sometime

Sjengster
03-12-2007, 02:49 AM
Exactly! spot on..
someone else see's it.

i thought it was just me

its pathetic really that he is like this now :help:

Oh, come on - last year he won all his opening rounds in tournaments in straight sets except two (Clement in Miami and Djokovic in Monte Carlo). There were the two three-setters in the group stages in Shanghai, but then he was facing two fellow Top 10 players right off the bat. I don't think he habitually has bad days in the opening round, he just happened to have one right here against an opponent who was one of the toughest unseeded draws he could possibly have.

LLeytonRules
03-12-2007, 02:49 AM
I am sure Fed isnt crying because he didnt win indian wells.The rest of the field must be happy.Fed will be back and kicking some ass.

Nalbandian!!!
03-12-2007, 02:49 AM
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9625/canaska1.png

VAMOS WILLY CARAJO !

VIVA EL TENIS ARGENTINO !:worship:

guga2120
03-12-2007, 02:49 AM
Not really. Sad day for Federer fans though.

if anything its good for tennis.

CyBorg
03-12-2007, 02:50 AM
I think that's overstating things. Roger *may* have had problems with the blister he got treated but what lost it for him was mainly his own lack of control on the ball even when he was in position, and Canas making him hit a lot of balls.

Ultimately it doesn't matter. Willy got the job done - even in that situation at least 75% of the top 50 still wouldn't have, in my opinion. Canas got it done, Federer didn't perform and was the second best player on the day, clearly. It wasn't flashy from Canas, it was steady and that's exactly what was needed here.

Whatever it was, it affected him quite a bit. The pukes here calling Fed a sissy are pathetic. Whether a blister or a bruise there was a problem and it affected one of the finer athletes in sports, thus I'm sure it was significant.

Nonetheless, I don't mind Fed getting ousted. It's not like he needs another Indian Wells trophy on his mantle. I hope someone like Gasquet wins.

gillian
03-12-2007, 02:50 AM
Canas had 9 UFE to Fed's 43.

That's a staggering stat. I wonder why Federer had so many UEs.

RickDaStick
03-12-2007, 02:50 AM
He signed autographs near the entrance to the court - I saw it.


Ok thanks for telling me that i didnt see that part. Sorry, way to go Fed.

GlennMirnyi
03-12-2007, 02:51 AM
When Cañas lost he was the worst player in the world, he was a dopper and I don't remember what else. Now, you only say that. hahaha

Next thing you're gonna tell us you predicted this and Waske is a great player. :rolleyes:

sad day for tennis

Agreed, for many reasons.

cmurray
03-12-2007, 02:51 AM
Oh, come on - last year he won all his opening rounds in tournaments in straight sets except two (Clement in Miami and Djokovic in Monte Carlo). There were the two three-setters in the group stages in Shanghai, but then he was facing two fellow Top 10 players right off the bat. I don't think he habitually has bad days in the opening round, he just happened to have one right here against an opponent who was one of the toughest unseeded draws he could possibly have.

Actually, Iwas talking about this year so far. He seemed a tad shaky in his first round at a tournament. I wasn't really having a go at Roger.

Yappa
03-12-2007, 02:51 AM
Federer deserved to lose! What a lacklustre performance. SHanking shots, left, right, and over the baseline. :fiery:

Fantastic for Canas, what a complete reversal of fortunes.

Looking for Lleyton to win the tournament....

Yeah, I don't know what was wrong with him, but that was a horrible performance. And we all know that players like Canas are very capable to take that chance and defeat him. Under normal circumstance Canas would probably have been seeded and Federer maybe could have avoided that loss, who knows.

Thanks for cashing me in big time Willy.

Was anyone else surprised to see that Cañas didn't seem surprised or really happy after the win? Really calm and collected.

Maybe Canas realized that something was wrong with Federer or maybe he just couldn't believe that he actually won. Anyways, the fact that he acted like he did makes him even more likable.

The same goes for Federer who gave autographs although he had lost.

Voo de Mar
03-12-2007, 02:52 AM
That's a staggering stat. I wonder why Federer had so many UEs.

Because Canas knows how to play 3-4 more balls over the net than most of players.

Peoples
03-12-2007, 02:52 AM
That's a staggering stat. I wonder why Federer had so many UEs.

Because he was hurt, playing at 10%, genius.

Roger The Great
03-12-2007, 02:52 AM
Lets not make stuff up here. Fed walked right off the court and simply waved to the court.

Federer did sign a bunch of the big tennis balls some fans were hanging over at the entrance/exit. What's the big deal? It's a great thing for any player to do on the way out.

R.Federer
03-12-2007, 02:52 AM
Canas didn't celebrate much leaving court, but I bet Hewitt did :)

Chris Seahorse
03-12-2007, 02:52 AM
There's just no need for excuses here. He lost one, it happens sometimes, the sky ain't gonna fall in, and now the draw's been blown wide open.

It could be a fun week :)

Yup. Makes for an exciting week.

CyBorg
03-12-2007, 02:53 AM
Lets not make stuff up here. Fed walked right off the court and simply waved to the court.

I am neither hallucinating nor in the opening stages of Altzeimer's. Federer signed autographs after getting ousted in the first round - that's class.

scoobs
03-12-2007, 02:53 AM
Yeah, I don't know what was wrong with him, but that was a horrible performance. And we all know that players like Canas are very capable to take that chance and defeat him. Under normal circumstance Canas would probably have been seeded and Federer maybe could have avoided that loss, who knows.



Maybe Canas realized that something was wrong with Federer or maybe he just couldn't believe that he actually won. Anyways, the fact that he acted like he did makes him even more likable.

The same goes for Federer who gave autographs although he had lost.
True enough. Shit happens, out of all the qualifiers and LLs, Canas was the worst for Roger to get. Still, boo hoo and all that. Come on Murray :)

RickDaStick
03-12-2007, 02:53 AM
Canas wasnt happy after he won because he knew it was time for the drug test. Who could blame him.

cmurray
03-12-2007, 02:53 AM
Canas didn't celebrate much leaving court, but I bet Hewitt did :)

:lol:

Sjengster
03-12-2007, 02:54 AM
Actually, Iwas talking about this year so far. He seemed a tad shaky in his first round at a tournament. I wasn't really having a go at Roger.

Hmm.... well, it's true he was appalling in the early going against Phau at the AO, and didn't finish off the match well. Then taken to three sets in Dubai by Pless, who served very well - that was a three-setter that only lasted about an hour and a half, fairly quick-fire stuff. I'll just wait for a bit more evidence from Miami and subsequent tournaments before I change my username to Rd1=FedKilla, OK? ;)

adee-gee
03-12-2007, 02:54 AM
Funny how some of the people claiming Fed lost because he was "injured" are the same people who claimed Nadal "lost" to Guccione fair and square :scratch:

Roger The Great
03-12-2007, 02:54 AM
Canas wasnt happy after he won because he knew it was time for the drug test. Who could blame him.

Why post stupid things like this? This is why certain players fan bases get a bad rep.

maskedmuffin
03-12-2007, 02:55 AM
federer played poorly and lost..goes to show you that if you do not bring your high level game to these tourneys you will get knocked out.

Nature of competitive atp tour tennis..props to canas as he played a very smart match.

Jlee
03-12-2007, 02:56 AM
Because he was hurt, playing at 10%, genius.

How was he hurt? I didn't see it. Can someone please tell me :sobbing:

Tomy
03-12-2007, 02:56 AM
You're right it was far from an equal contest out there. Federer didn't retire out of respect for Canas.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, do you have TV in Chile???
Nobody would retire for something like that! Federer wasn't playing well, but that doesn't means his injury was killing him! Put Gonzales on the other side of the net, and I can bet you that Roger would win easily (as always). Willy played great tennis out there...
Cañas is already a lucky loser, don't try to make him seem as a lucky winner aswell...

Peoples
03-12-2007, 02:57 AM
Canas wasnt happy after he won because he knew it was time for the drug test. Who could blame him.

Do you think he'll get detected or get lucky once again?

marti_228
03-12-2007, 02:58 AM
Next thing you're gonna tell us you predicted this and Waske is a great player. :rolleyes:



Agreed, for many reasons.


I really don't get the point of your post. I don't know if you didn't get me or what.

trixtah
03-12-2007, 02:59 AM
I am sure Fed isnt crying because he didnt win indian wells.The rest of the field must be happy.Fed will be back and kicking some ass.

exactly...so the CRYING, WHINING, BITCHING, and EXCUSES need to stop

R.Federer
03-12-2007, 02:59 AM
How did Canas lose to Waske? :confused:

CyBorg
03-12-2007, 02:59 AM
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, do you have TV in Chile???
Nobody would retire for something like that! Federer wasn't playing well, but that doesn't means his injury was killing him! Put Gonzales on the other side of the net, and I can bet you that Roger would win easily (as always). Willy played great tennis out there...
Cañas is already a lucky loser, don't try to make him seem as a lucky winner aswell...

The Argentinians here need to settle down.

No one is disrespecting Canas but the few immature pukes with too much time on their hands.

Just sack up - every true tennis lover is happy for Canas. But anyone with a modicum of common sense knows that Federer was not all right.

Voo de Mar
03-12-2007, 02:59 AM
Canas wasn't happy because he knows own potential. Canas is a potential Roland Garros champion... he lost twice in Paris in five sets against eventual champions (Costa, Gaudio). Player who can win Grand Slam shouldn't be crazy about 2nd round win, even when on the opposite side of the net stands someone like Federer ;)

cmurray
03-12-2007, 03:00 AM
Oh for crying out loud. Federer CAN have a bad day, you know.

Peoples
03-12-2007, 03:00 AM
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, do you have TV in Chile???
Nobody would retire for something like that! Federer wasn't playing well, but that doesn't means his injury was killing him! Put Gonzales on the other side of the net, and I can bet you that Roger would win easily (as always). Willy played great tennis out there...
Cañas is already a lucky loser, don't try to make him seem as a lucky winner aswell...

Typical argentine arrogance..bad winners.

Federer had a problem with his right foot and he called the trainer twice because of it.

Jlee
03-12-2007, 03:01 AM
Canas wasn't happy because he knows own potential. Canas is a potential Roland Garros champion... he lost twice in Paris in five sets against eventual champions (Costa, Gaudio). Player who can win Grand Slam shouldn't be crazy about 2nd round win, even when on the opposite side of the net stands someone like Federer ;)

Um, I disagree. Federer is Federer. Hewitt, Roddick, Ferrero, Agassi...these guys have all won GS's. They couldn't and cant beat him. I'm sure they'd give just about anything to be able to.

marti_228
03-12-2007, 03:01 AM
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, do you have TV in Chile???
Nobody would retire for something like that! Federer wasn't playing well, but that doesn't means his injury was killing him! Put Gonzales on the other side of the net, and I can bet you that Roger would win easily (as always). Willy played great tennis out there...
Cañas is already a lucky loser, don't try to make him seem as a lucky winner aswell...


(It's not Chile, it's the Dominican Republic).
Those are excuses and more excuses. Thy still call Cañas the dopper and they have never seen or read what really happened. I mean, he was declared inocent.

asotgod
03-12-2007, 03:01 AM
Funny how some of the people claiming Fed lost because he was "injured" are the same people who claimed Nadal "lost" to Guccione fair and square :scratch:

IMO, Fed was not injured at all. Maybe the tapes were not properly in place but that did not look like an injury. I just think he just was not mentally there and the pressure got to him. He is human and that is expected from time to time. So?

el_croata
03-12-2007, 03:02 AM
it would be nice if canas wins tourney and then fails at drug test, LOL

alsace
03-12-2007, 03:02 AM
:haha: There are days when GM on MTF is the best place on earth to be!

xcrap
03-12-2007, 03:02 AM
Three words: lack of motivation

Federer never looked well and Cañas played well, but he wasn't that good. I've seen better from him.

This looked like Cincinatti 2006! Well, open competition right now! The dad is not around, so let the party begin!

lack of motivation? be serious. federer was gunning for a word record winning streak if he won the tournament. dont tell me thats enough motivation for someone, we all know federer loves his record.

he played 1 tournament after the AO which he won, tiredness is not a factor, just out-beaten

Conita
03-12-2007, 03:02 AM
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, do you have TV in Chile???
Nobody would retire for something like that! Federer wasn't playing well, but that doesn't means his injury was killing him! Put Gonzales on the other side of the net, and I can bet you that Roger would win easily (as always). Willy played great tennis out there...
Cañas is already a lucky loser, don't try to make him seem as a lucky winner aswell...

first of all what has this got to do with gonzalez
secondly i don't think peoples is from chile, check the flag!

+alonso
03-12-2007, 03:03 AM
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, do you have TV in Chile???
Nobody would retire for something like that! Federer wasn't playing well, but that doesn't means his injury was killing him! Put Gonzales on the other side of the net, and I can bet you that Roger would win easily (as always). Willy played great tennis out there...
Cañas is already a lucky loser, don't try to make him seem as a lucky winner aswell...

HEY HEY HEY! :mad: Don't get things mixed up! Nobody said Peoples is Chilean! :o Look at his flag! And González has nothing to do with this!

jeahhh!
03-12-2007, 03:03 AM
How was he hurt? I didn't see it. Can someone please tell me :sobbing:
I know the first time he called the trainer out was to get his ankles re taped and the second was for blisters- according to the commentators. But it could have been more than that.

yeahright
03-12-2007, 03:04 AM
Didn't expect this (Canas beating Fed) to happen. Vilas' record stays...for now.

scoobs
03-12-2007, 03:04 AM
Oh for crying out loud. Federer CAN have a bad day, you know.
I wouldn't even bother.

The only cure to all this is some slash :devil:

Kalliopeia
03-12-2007, 03:04 AM
Oh man, y'all make me laugh. :lol:

Ok, someone way back asked about the injury. Roger took two medical time outs. One where he seemed just to be having his ankles retaped or something, and another to wrap his big toe because he had a blister.

There is no way he tanked, come on. I sometimes wonder if people who claim he lost because he tanked realize how that makes Roger look. I guess the thought of him tanking and disgracing himself like that intentionally because he can't be bothered is better than just playing badly and losing. Besides...he had a record on the line. His parents were in the audience. He didn't tank. :rolleyes:

Clearly, he wasn't himself. Canas wasn't intimidated and played a good game, solid and steady. Good for him.

One thing I thought was funny was that at some point the commentator said "Its as if Roger thinks Canas just can't do (whatever it was he just did)." I think Roger thinks that a lot in early rounds. Usually he can raise his game though, whenever he finally decides that his opponent can in fact do those things. He couldn't this time.

One thing's for sure, this tournament just got a hell of a lot more interesting. Maybe this will be Gonzo's opportunity to get a Masters. Suddenly there are a handful of guys who could win it, which makes me happy. :D

*Viva Chile*
03-12-2007, 03:04 AM
For all the whiners who don't have a clue yet:

http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/news/newsarticle.asp?id=16515


Court of Arbitration for Sport reduces suspension of Guillermo Canas to 15 months


Lausanne, 23 May 2006 – The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has partially upheld the appeal filed by the Argentinean tennis player, Guillermo Cañas, against the decision of the Anti-doping Tribunal of the ATP Tour of 7 August 2005.

The Tribunal of the ATP Tour found that Guillermo Cañas tested positive for the prohibited substance hydrochlorothiazide (HCT) at the ATP tournament “Abierto Mexicano de Tenis” in Acapulco, Mexico on 21 February 2005. As a consequence, the Tribunal of the ATP Tour disqualified the Player from the Acapulco tournament and suspended him for a period of two years, effective from 11 June 2005. Furthermore, the Tribunal ordered the disqualification of the Player from the competitions he took part in between 21 February 2005 and 11 June 2005, with the exception of Roland Garros, a tournament during which he tested negative.

The Player filed an appeal with the CAS on 29 August 2005 to request the annulment of the ATP Tour decision. This matter was submitted to a panel composed of Ms Maidie Oliveau (USA), President, Mr Christopher Campbell (USA) and Mr Yves Fortier (Canada). The parties, their representatives and witnesses were heard by the Panel at a hearing in New York on 19 and 20 January 2006.

On the basis of the evidence submitted by the parties, the Panel of arbitrators found that the Player ingested a medication called “Rofucal”, delivered to him by the tournament staff in Acapulco although the tournament doctor prescribed a different medication for him. G.Cañas took the medication he received without reviewing the content of the box, even though he knew that the medication had been through several hands before being delivered to him. The Panel noted also that the doping control form completed by the Player did not list the medication prescribed by the tournament doctor.

The Panel considered that the Player was entitled to rely on the expertise of independent medical staff provided by the organisers of the Acapulco tournament. The arbitrators also emphasised the fact that a mistake in the delivery of the medication was made not by the Player, but rather by the tournament staff. However, the Panel considered that the Player had a duty of utmost caution after visiting the tournament doctor to ascertain whether the medication received was indeed the medication prescribed by the doctor.

In conclusion, the Panel was of the opinion that the negligence committed by the Player was not significant and decided that his period of ineligibility should be reduced by nine months, from two years to fifteen months. The suspension of G. Cañas which started on 11 June 2005 will come to end on 10 September 2006. In addition, the Panel decided that other than with respect to the Acapulco tournament, none of the results achieved by G.Canãs before 11 June 2005 should be disqualified.

marti_228
03-12-2007, 03:05 AM
Typical argentine arrogance..bad winners.

Federer had a problem with his right foot and he called the trainer twice because of it.


You really have something against Argentina.
We are not bad winners, we express our feelings, especially when someone says stupid things.

cmurray
03-12-2007, 03:06 AM
I wouldn't even bother.

The only cure to all this is some slash :devil:

Do you want to start, or shall I?

scoobs
03-12-2007, 03:06 AM
Oh man, y'all make me laugh. :lol:

Ok, someone way back asked about the injury. Roger took two medical time outs. One where he seemed just to be having his ankles retaped or something, and another to wrap his big toe because he had a blister.

There is no way he tanked, come on. I sometimes wonder if people who claim he lost because he tanked realize how that makes Roger look. I guess the thought of him tanking and disgracing himself like that intentionally because he can't be bothered is better than just playing badly and losing. Besides...he had a record on the line. His parents were in the audience. He didn't tank. :rolleyes:

Clearly, he wasn't himself. Canas wasn't intimidated and played a good game, solid and steady. Good for him.

One thing I thought was funny was that at some point the commentator said "Its as if Roger thinks Canas just can't do (whatever it was he just did)." I think Roger thinks that a lot in early rounds. Usually he can raise his game though, whenever he finally decides that his opponent can in fact do those things. He couldn't this time.

One thing's for sure, this tournament just got a hell of a lot more interesting. Maybe this will be Gonzo's opportunity to get a Masters. Suddenly there are a handful of guys who could win it, which makes me happy. :D
:worship:

bellascarlett
03-12-2007, 03:07 AM
:woohoo:

So glad someone beat Federer. And Canas played great. I saw the first set. Had to leave for the second but hope they replay it. Good for Canas. :yeah:

Tomy
03-12-2007, 03:07 AM
Yeah, I ckecked the flag, but then I thought "Only people from Chile can like Gonzalez... he must be from Chile"

GlennMirnyi
03-12-2007, 03:07 AM
I really don't get the point of your post. I don't know if you didn't get me or what.

Dear, I'm telling you that you can't criticise him because losing to Waske is a joke.

morningglory
03-12-2007, 03:07 AM
DA GREAT FED HAS FALLEN!!!! :woohoo: (Forgive me Fedfans but this happens so "unoften" that once it does is enough cause for an outburst)

nobama
03-12-2007, 03:08 AM
Oh for crying out loud. Federer CAN have a bad day, you know.No kidding. And today was one those days. I'll wait for his press conference to see what he has to say before I blame it on his feet or pressure or whatever.

Jlee
03-12-2007, 03:08 AM
I know the first time he called the trainer out was to get his ankles re taped and the second was for blisters- according to the commentators. But it could have been more than that.

Thank you :)

Was it affecting his movement? Most people can still play well with blisters. And the ankle taping could have been just because he had it taped wrong. It must have been either an ankle problem or just a bad day.

Canas did well to take advantage of the situation, whatever it was.

Yappa
03-12-2007, 03:08 AM
Canas def. Federer
Waske def. Canas
-------

Waske >Canas>Federer
--------

=> Waske def. Federer in Halle 2007! :D

Conita
03-12-2007, 03:08 AM
Yeah, I ckecked the flag, but then I thought "Only people from Chile can like Gonzalez... he must be from Chile"

oh yeah now thats a great argument.....
shame cañas has some retard fans like you

+alonso
03-12-2007, 03:08 AM
Yeah, I ckecked the flag, but then I thought "Only people from Chile can like Gonzalez... he must be from Chile"

If you don't like him It doesn't mean no foreigner can like him! :rolleyes:

But this is not about him anyway!

Gonzalo81
03-12-2007, 03:08 AM
Yeah, I ckecked the flag, but then I thought "Only people from Chile can like Gonzalez... he must be from Chile"

Just idiotic....please don´t defend argies anymore :(

jeahhh!
03-12-2007, 03:09 AM
:devil:

Rogi, Marat, and Tommy R. are going to share a huge bottle of hooch and cry in each others' arms tonight. :aplot:

Gotta love that scenario:devil:

TroilusCriseyde
03-12-2007, 03:09 AM
:woohoo:
Wonderful news! wonderful for tennis.
Cañas was mindful not to let Federers' gamesmanship affect him. :rolleyes:

*Viva Chile*
03-12-2007, 03:10 AM
Yeah, I ckecked the flag, but then I thought "Only people from Chile can like Gonzalez... he must be from Chile"

So visit the Gonzo forum and you will take a surprise :wavey:

Stupid reasonment in any case :ras:

Voo de Mar
03-12-2007, 03:10 AM
IMO, Fed was not injured at all. Maybe the tapes were not properly in place but that did not look like an injury. I just think he just was not mentally there and the pressure got to him. He is human and that is expected from time to time. So?

I agree. Federer with blisters on his feet won a lot of matches - that is clear for me. Federer had two set points in the 1st set... This is psychological aspect of game - when you are losing, you are feeling much worse with your body. He lost because Canas is a great player. I think Federer with blisters, even wiped out and drunk would win against many players :D

CyBorg
03-12-2007, 03:10 AM
Calling Dr. Wilander. Calling Dr. Wilander.

An emergency check-up on Federer's scrotal sack required immediately. I repeat...



Just kidding, of course. Roger will take Miami after a nice rest.

Sjengster
03-12-2007, 03:10 AM
Yeah, I ckecked the flag, but then I thought "Only people from Chile can like Gonzalez... he must be from Chile"

Classy stuff. I like him as well, but then I'm British so that must be pettiness on my part because I have something against you guys, right?

:silly:

Kalliopeia
03-12-2007, 03:10 AM
Do you want to start, or shall I?

Well it's obvious, isn't it? Roger saw that Marat lost and so decided he'd ditch this whole tennis thing for a week so he could spend it with Marat. They want to get rid of all their tan lines, you see, and it's more fun with company. :D

scoobs
03-12-2007, 03:11 AM
Thank you :)

Was it affecting his movement? Most people can still play well with blisters. And the ankle taping could have been just because he had it taped wrong. It must have been either an ankle problem or just a bad day.

Canas did well to take advantage of the situation, whatever it was.
I didn't think he was moving as well as usual.

But what of it? He went out there, played anyway, and lost.

No-one is saying Roger was at his best - for whatever reason.

As we all know, the point is that Canas took advantage and deserves full credit for that.

LocoPorElTenis
03-12-2007, 03:11 AM
Because he was hurt, playing at 10%, genius.

Every one of your posts makes you even more pathetic :lol: . For you, this must be one of the most horrendous results imaginable to swallow , so :hug: . But don't worry, some day you'll grow up and realize that in the end it's just a game and there's no need to hate some players at a personal level, because they're all giving their best effort. :wavey:

scoobs
03-12-2007, 03:11 AM
Well it's obvious, isn't it? Roger saw that Marat lost and so decided he'd ditch this whole tennis thing for a week so he could spend it with Marat. They want to get rid of all their tan lines, you see, and it's more fun with company. :D
I like this line of reasoning. Say more things like that :D

jeahhh!
03-12-2007, 03:12 AM
Thank you :)

Was it affecting his movement? Most people can still play well with blisters. And the ankle taping could have been just because he had it taped wrong. It must have been either an ankle problem or just a bad day.

Canas did well to take advantage of the situation, whatever it was.

No problem.
He didn't seem to be moving as well as he normally does and he seemed quite off balance. But whatever it was kudos to Canas he played well and deserved the win.:D

marti_228
03-12-2007, 03:12 AM
Dear, I'm telling you that you can't criticise him because losing to Waske is a joke.

First of all, the dear keep it to yourself, I'm not 5 years old.
Then, OK he lost to Waske but then he beat Federer and if you read that thread, you would agree with what I'm saying.

Gonzalo82
03-12-2007, 03:14 AM
Do you think he'll get detected or get lucky once again?

Take it easy... maybe someday someone from Chile will defeat Federer

nobama
03-12-2007, 03:14 AM
Oh man, y'all make me laugh. :lol:

Ok, someone way back asked about the injury. Roger took two medical time outs. One where he seemed just to be having his ankles retaped or something, and another to wrap his big toe because he had a blister.

There is no way he tanked, come on. I sometimes wonder if people who claim he lost because he tanked realize how that makes Roger look. I guess the thought of him tanking and disgracing himself like that intentionally because he can't be bothered is better than just playing badly and losing. Besides...he had a record on the line. His parents were in the audience. He didn't tank. :rolleyes:

Clearly, he wasn't himself. Canas wasn't intimidated and played a good game, solid and steady. Good for him.

One thing I thought was funny was that at some point the commentator said "Its as if Roger thinks Canas just can't do (whatever it was he just did)." I think Roger thinks that a lot in early rounds. Usually he can raise his game though, whenever he finally decides that his opponent can in fact do those things. He couldn't this time.

One thing's for sure, this tournament just got a hell of a lot more interesting. Maybe this will be Gonzo's opportunity to get a Masters. Suddenly there are a handful of guys who could win it, which makes me happy. :DRoger never got out of third gear today. And Canas played solid. Not much else to say....except the last time Roger lost he went on a 41 match winning streak. And looking back over the last couple of years he's always bounced back from losses, I'm sure he will again.

jeahhh!
03-12-2007, 03:14 AM
:devil: Since Tommy is the smallest of the three he should be the filling in their "loser sandwich." :drool: :tape:

:lol:
Makes sense.

cmurray
03-12-2007, 03:14 AM
:devil:

Rogi, Marat, and Tommy R. are going to share a huge bottle of hooch and cry in each others' arms tonight. :aplot:

Roger doesn't get to be in the bagel club though. I wonder if that means they're going to kick him out of the room BEFORE breakfast is delivered. Those callous bastards. Not only is Roger depressed but NOW he's going to have low blood sugar too.

Tomy
03-12-2007, 03:15 AM
Classy stuff. I like him as well, but then I'm British so that must be pettiness on my part because I have something against you guys, right?

:silly:

Nope, believe me, you were born in Chile, you just don't know it yet. :o

Peoples
03-12-2007, 03:15 AM
Every one of your posts makes you even more pathetic :lol: . For you, this must be one of the most horrendous results imaginable to swallow , so :hug: . But don't worry, some day you'll grow up and realize that in the end it's just a game and there's no need to hate some players at a personal level, because they're all giving their best effort. :wavey:

Relax. My reply was in context to someone who seemed to think Federer was at 100% which clearly is far from true.

Conita
03-12-2007, 03:16 AM
Take it easy... maybe someday someone from Chile will defeat Federer

oh get over youself, and for the last time peoples is NOT FROM CHILE!
learn your flags! ¬¬

Yappa
03-12-2007, 03:16 AM
Federer is playing the double match right now.
Hopefully he'll make the final. :) ;)

Jlee
03-12-2007, 03:17 AM
I didn't think he was moving as well as usual.

But what of it? He went out there, played anyway, and lost.

No-one is saying Roger was at his best - for whatever reason.

As we all know, the point is that Canas took advantage and deserves full credit for that.

I see, thanks :). But that doesn't necessarily mean it was the ankle.

Yes I know, you're right :) I just was curious because ESPN isn't covering this round so I was unable to see it. If he couldn't move for pain, that might affect the way I view the match. You know? :shrug:

Exactly, no one beats Federer. Even when he's playing like I'm assuming he played here. Lots of UEs, little movement...basically like Cincy last year. A win over Roger is a win over Roger. I'm not one to make stupid excuses.

Peoples
03-12-2007, 03:17 AM
Nope, believe me, you were born in Chile, you just don't know it yet. :o

:retard:

+alonso
03-12-2007, 03:17 AM
oh get over youself, and for the last time peoples is NOT FROM CHILE!
learn your flags! ¬¬

agree! :o

Gonzalo81
03-12-2007, 03:17 AM
oh get over youself, and for the last time peoples is NOT FROM CHILE!
learn your flags! ¬¬

Please ignore him...

And does it care where is he from?

NYCtennisfan
03-12-2007, 03:17 AM
Looks like Christmas came early for many at MTF. :)

cmurray
03-12-2007, 03:18 AM
Federer is playing the double match right now.
Hopefully he'll make the final. :) ;)

but...but....but....

I thought he was gravely injured???????

Federerhingis
03-12-2007, 03:18 AM
oh get over youself, and for the last time peoples is NOT FROM CHILE!
learn your flags! ¬¬

He's not Dominican either. ;) I'l give you a hint he's European. :lol:

LocoPorElTenis
03-12-2007, 03:19 AM
but...but....but....

I thought he was gravely injured???????

:haha:

Tomy
03-12-2007, 03:19 AM
Peoples, I don't know if you're mad because Federer lost or because Cañas won...

Xristos
03-12-2007, 03:20 AM
Wow. Amazing.

Did not see this from a mile away.

R.Federer
03-12-2007, 03:20 AM
Looks like Christmas came early for many at MTF. :)

Or late, depending on how long they have been waiting :)

*Viva Chile*
03-12-2007, 03:20 AM
Please ignore him...

And does it care where is he from?

calling "Chilean" a fanboy who doesn't have an idea of what happened with Willy and his case is an insult for many of us, including me.

Kalliopeia
03-12-2007, 03:20 AM
I like this line of reasoning. Say more things like that :D

Well it all started with Marat making fun of that picture of Roger with the headband tan line. Roger accused Marat of sock tan lines. Then Rafa said something about Marat looking like the Coppertone kid. Roger got jealous, and there was a big kerfuffle but then they decided that the best thing to do would be to rent a house on the beach, bring in a few crates of suntan oil and remedy the situation. Since Rafa's the last one of the three left in the draw, he gets to be the first one to get all suntan-oiled up. :D

Tomy
03-12-2007, 03:21 AM
but...but....but....

I thought he was gravely injured???????

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL :worship:

scoobs
03-12-2007, 03:21 AM
I see, thanks :). But that doesn't necessarily mean it was the ankle.

Yes I know, you're right :) I just was curious because ESPN isn't covering this round so I was unable to see it. If he couldn't move for pain, that might affect the way I view the match. You know? :shrug:

Exactly, no one beats Federer. Even when he's playing like I'm assuming he played here. Lots of UEs, little movement...basically like Cincy last year. A win over Roger is a win over Roger. I'm not one to make stupid excuses.
You're absolutely right.

I just think that, as much as some want to whine about this reason or that reason that this result happened, it really doesn't matter. It still goes down in the books as Roger's first loss of the season and that really is all that does count in the end. So I have no patience with the endless fascination over his foot, ankle, mindset or motivation, really.

scoobs
03-12-2007, 03:21 AM
but...but....but....

I thought he was gravely injured???????
:haha:

Conita
03-12-2007, 03:21 AM
Please ignore him...

And does it care where is he from?

it does when people are attacking a nation rather than a player, if he doesn't like gonzalez fair enough, but that doesn't mean he can go around insulting chileans, especially when argies go mental when they call all argentines druggies.
im sorry but it goes both ways.

LocoPorElTenis
03-12-2007, 03:22 AM
calling "Chilean" a fanboy who doesn't have an idea of what happened with Willy and his case is an insult for many of us, including me.

Chile :hug: .

All Chileans in this board seem to be really nice and many support Argentinean players. The bitterness comes from other latitudes :)

Kalliopeia
03-12-2007, 03:22 AM
but...but....but....

I thought he was gravely injured???????

:rolls:

tripb19
03-12-2007, 03:22 AM
This thread is going to be massive. I just wanted to post in it once.

trixtah
03-12-2007, 03:22 AM
Roger doesn't get to be in the bagel club though. I wonder if that means they're going to kick him out of the room BEFORE breakfast is delivered. Those callous bastards. Not only is Roger depressed but NOW he's going to have low blood sugar too.

Marat is a big guy...in more ways than one. I'm sure there's enough to go around at their little party tonight

Peoples: Your arguments are falling apart and now you're making things up. Quote one person from this thread who said Federer was 100% oh yeah, and cry more :D I'm soooo sure he broke his leg today fromt he way you're blowing it out of proportion. Yep, he's out there playing doubles with a broken leg. "tanked so he wouldn't injure himself more" riiight, thats why...oh look, he's out playing doubles

scoobs
03-12-2007, 03:23 AM
Yep - he's out playing doubles right now so we can be assured the foot has not turned gangrenous and fallen off, anyway.

cmurray
03-12-2007, 03:23 AM
I don't think he'll be TOO low on blood sugar if they kick him out. Tommy has an open bottle of honey in his room, remember? :aplot:

http://img2.menstennisforums.com/500/honeypr0n.jpg

Phew. That's a relief. Though you never know - Marat's a smooth talker. What if he convinces Tommy to SAVE the honey for the bagels...and other things. I'm really getting concerned, J'torian. Maybe we should call Mirka????

ufokart
03-12-2007, 03:23 AM
Yeah, I ckecked the flag, but then I thought "Only people from Chile can like Gonzalez... he must be from Chile"

Take it easy... maybe someday someone from Chile will defeat Federer

What's up with the Chile bashing all of a sudden? What does Gonzalez have to do with anything? :shrug:

You should be happy that Cañas won, instead of typing idiotic posts :retard:

GlennMirnyi
03-12-2007, 03:23 AM
First of all, the dear keep it to yourself, I'm not 5 years old.
Then, OK he lost to Waske but then he beat Federer and if you read that thread, you would agree with what I'm saying.

I was just trying to be polite. Next time I'll be rude then. :p


It seems the only joy of Rafatards this year is celebrating Federer's losses. :haha:

Gonzalo81
03-12-2007, 03:24 AM
it does when people are attacking a nation rather than a player, if u dont like gonzalez fair enough, but that doesnt mean he can go around insulting chileans, especially when argies go mental when they call you druggies.
im sorry but it goes both ways.

I totally agree with you and understand it.
All I´m saying it´s that some times is better to ignore idiots.
Unfortunately they exist in every country, including mine (lots of them);)

Corey Feldman
03-12-2007, 03:24 AM
I don't think he'll be TOO low on blood sugar if they kick him out. Tommy has an open bottle of honey in his room, remember? :aplot:You just love that Robredo picture dont you
:lol:

Federerhingis
03-12-2007, 03:24 AM
Chile :hug: .

All Chileans in this board seem to be really nice and many support Argentinean players. The bitterness comes from other latitudes :)

I know Chileans at least the one's I've met or got to know are very nice. Plus they have wonderful full red bodied wines too. ;)

vamosnadal
03-12-2007, 03:25 AM
Fed wasn't playing anywhere near his top level today, but a large part of the reason for this was Canas. He really troubled Fed with his movement, placement and stepping in and returning the second serve early. Each time fed looked to raise his game, Canas played another solid, great point. Congratulations to canas for keeping his nerve and getting the win and I'm sure fed will go back to winning in Miami.

It's been a strange day hasn't it! So many seeds losing or playing badly. for once we have a tournament that is wide open and i'm really quite excited about it!

Tomy
03-12-2007, 03:26 AM
it does when people are attacking a nation rather than a player, if he doesn't like gonzalez fair enough, but that doesn't mean he can go around insulting chileans, especially when argies go mental when they call all argentines druggies.
im sorry but it goes both ways.


Attacking a nation????????? wow... didn't know my PC could do that...
Get a grip, man... I'm just deffending Cañas, I have no problem against Chile... That guy made a thread to celebrate Cañas's loss to Waske and I'm supposed to be the evil one????

Yappa
03-12-2007, 03:26 AM
but...but....but....

I thought he was gravely injured???????

Winning singles titles (except GS) is starting to get boring and Roger is concentrating more and more on the doubles tour. ;)

LocoPorElTenis
03-12-2007, 03:26 AM
Plus they have wonderful full red bodied wines too. ;)

Not as good as Argentinian ones though ;)

MisterQ
03-12-2007, 03:28 AM
I know Chileans at least the one's I've met or got to know are very nice. Plus they have wonderful full red bodied wines too. ;)

Cabernet :drool:

Not as good as Argentinian ones though ;)

Malbec :drool: :drink:

Gonzalo82
03-12-2007, 03:29 AM
You should be happy that Cañas won, instead of typing idiotic posts :retard:

That's what I wanted to say to Peoples...

He posts all the time things like "Cañas is doped", "Federer was without a leg", etc etc. He has to realize that now Gonzalez has more chances than ever to win IW :)

Conita
03-12-2007, 03:30 AM
Attacking a nation????????? wow... didn't know my PC could do that...
Get a grip, man... I'm just deffending Cañas, I have no problem against Chile... That guy made a thread to celebrate Cañas's loss to Waske and I'm supposed to be the evil one????

if u dont have a problem with chile then why did u bring it up or gonzalez?
see when i have a problem with a person ie. you,
i dont go bashing about others.
if you dont like peoples or whoever then thats fine just don't drag others along with it.

Federerhingis
03-12-2007, 03:30 AM
Fed wasn't playing anywhere near his top level today, but a large part of the reason for this was Canas. He really troubled Fed with his movement, placement and stepping in and returning the second serve early. Each time fed looked to raise his game, Canas played another solid, great point. Congratulations to canas for keeping his nerve and getting the win and I'm sure fed will go back to winning in Miami.

It's been a strange day hasn't it! So many seeds losing or playing badly. for once we have a tournament that is wide open and i'm really quite excited about it!

Yes Canas was forcing Federer to hit shot after shot after shot. When he was not making him hit the extra shot he was taking his returns really early and ripping them. He kept going for the backhand side with heavy topspin and depth and it wore it down. He kept the excellent depth on the forehand corner as well and it just broke down the erratic forehand of Federer today. He misstimed this shot quite a lot today.

Canas also ventured a few times to net and did him self proud up there too. All in all an excellent job done by Willie Canas.

MisterQ
03-12-2007, 03:30 AM
Looks like Christmas came early for many at MTF. :)

I'm sure the Easter Resurrection is right around the corner. ;)

Jlee
03-12-2007, 03:30 AM
You're absolutely right.

I just think that, as much as some want to whine about this reason or that reason that this result happened, it really doesn't matter. It still goes down in the books as Roger's first loss of the season and that really is all that does count in the end. So I have no patience with the endless fascination over his foot, ankle, mindset or motivation, really.

lol, I agree with you too. Sorry if you thought I was whining when I asked for injury information :)

There will be no asterisk in the books, but it's an interesting bit of information for me. Is it an excuse for a loss? No, but sometimes it partly explains movement problems. :shrug:

jeahhh!
03-12-2007, 03:31 AM
but...but....but....

I thought he was gravely injured???????

:spit: