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Active Slam champions records vs Top-10 players

AnnaK_4ever
03-08-2007, 04:53 PM
note: records vs not current top-tenners but players ranked in Top-10 at the moment of their encounters.

Top-10 wins ............ Win-loss ratio

R.Federer ---- 83 ...... R.Federer ---- 0.716 - 83-33
L.Hewitt ----- 55 ...... R.Nadal ------ 0.667 - 20-10
M.Safin ------ 44 ...... L.Hewitt ----- 0.589 - 56-39
C.Moya ------- 41 ...... M.Safin ------ 0.524 - 44-40
G.Kuerten ---- 37 ...... G.Kuerten ---- 0.493 - 37-38
J.C.Ferrero -- 31 ...... J.C.Ferrero -- 0.449 - 31-38
T.Johansson -- 22 ...... C.Moya ------- 0.436 - 41-53
R.Nadal ------ 20 ...... A.Roddick ---- 0.333 - 18-36
A.Roddick ---- 18 ...... T.Johansson -- 0.289 - 22-54
G.Gaudio ----- 12 ...... G.Gaudio ----- 0.286 - 12-30

Rank info on Davis Cup matches is not available on atptour.com so I had to use other (not official) sources. Therefore my numbers may differ from actual ones by one or two wins/losses.

R.Federer
03-08-2007, 05:03 PM
Interesting stats, thank you for all the work.

I wonder if ToJo's and Guga's numbers would look quite a bit better if we consider players they beat who are now Top 10.

Corey Feldman
03-08-2007, 05:51 PM
Again that proves a)Roddick sux vs top10 and b)Hewitt is all time better than Safin.

AnnaK_4ever
03-08-2007, 06:16 PM
I know you will say it's odd and meaningless but I want to comare ATP and WTA players numbers...

Top-10 wins ............ Win-loss ratio

M.Hingis ---- 103 ...... R.Federer ---- 0.716 - 83-33
V.Williams --- 86 ...... R.Nadal ------ 0.667 - 20-10
R.Federer ---- 83 ...... S.Williams --- 0.655 - 74-39
S.Williams --- 74 ...... V.Williams --- 0.610 - 86-55
A.Mauresmo --- 69 ...... L.Hewitt ----- 0.589 - 56-39
K.Clijsters -- 65 ...... M.Hingis ----- 0.589 - 103-72
J.Henin ------ 61 ...... M.Sharapova -- 0.588 - 30-21
L.Hewitt ----- 55 ...... J.Henin ------ 0.550 - 61-50
M.Pierce ----- 53 ...... K.Clijsters -- 0.542 - 65-55
M.Safin ------ 44 ...... M.Safin ------ 0.524 - 44-40
C.Moya ------- 41 ...... G.Kuerten ---- 0.493 - 37-38
G.Kuerten ---- 37 ...... A.Mauresmo --- 0.486 - 69-73
J.C.Ferrero -- 31 ...... J.C.Ferrero -- 0.449 - 31-38
M.Sharapova -- 30 ...... C.Moya ------- 0.436 - 41-53
A.Myskina ---- 22 ...... M.Pierce ----- 0.371 - 53-90
T.Johansson -- 22 ...... A.Roddick ---- 0.333 - 18-36
R.Nadal ------ 20 ...... A.Myskina ---- 0.301 - 22-51
A.Roddick ---- 18 ...... T.Johansson -- 0.289 - 22-54
S.Kuznetsova - 15 ...... G.Gaudio ----- 0.286 - 12-30
G.Gaudio ----- 12 ...... S.Kuznetsova - 0.283 - 15-38

MisterQ
03-08-2007, 06:56 PM
Thanks for the stats. :)

Here are their records against Federer during his No. 1 reign -- that is, since Feb. 2, 2004 (of interest because he has dramatically affected the stats of these players!):

Nadal: 6-3 :tennis:
Hewitt: 0-8*
Roddick: 0-8
Safin: 1-3*
Ferrero: 0-2*
Gaudio 0-3
T. Johansson 0-3
Moya: 0-3
Kuerten: 1-0 :banana: :lol:


*I am not counting the AO2004 results, because Federer technically assumed No. 1 the day after the final.

R.Federer
03-08-2007, 07:21 PM
Here are their records against Federer during his No. 1 reign -- that is, since Feb. 2, 2004 (of interest because he has dramatically affected the stats of these players!):


Thanks for that Q.

If we add yours to Anna's, it affects them somewhat, but not so dramatically except for Hewitt and Roddick. For Roddick this is because he not only played many losing matches against Federer, but because he did not play many other top 10 at all.

Nadal : 19-10 to 13-7 = .65 (essentially unchanged)
Hewitt : 56-39 to 56-31 = .64 (previously .58)
Roddick : 17-35 to 17-27 = .38 (previously .32 -- not THAT much different)
Safin : 44-40 to 43-37
Ferrero : 31-37 to 31-35
Gaudio : 12-30 to 12-27
Moya : 41-53 to 41-50
Tojo : 21-54 to 21-51
Googa : 37-38 to 37-37

AnnaK_4ever
03-08-2007, 09:37 PM
Slam champions vs Top-10 at Grand Slams:

............ AUS .. R/G .. WIM .. USO ... Total .. ratio

Federer .... 7-2 .. 1-4 .. 8-1 .. 8-1 ... 24-8 ... 0.750
Kuerten .... 0-0 .. 7-1 .. 0-1 .. 1-1 .... 8-3 ... 0.727
Safin ...... 6-2 .. 3-3 .. 0-0 .. 2-2 ... 11-7 ... 0.611
Nadal ...... 0-2 .. 3-0 .. 0-1 .. 0-1 .... 3-3 ... 0.500
Moya ....... 3-2 .. 1-3 .. 0-1 .. 2-1 .... 6-7 ... 0.462
Ferrero .... 0-2 .. 5-4 .. 0-1 .. 2-3 .... 7-10 .. 0.412
Hewitt ..... 2-3 .. 0-2 .. 2-2 .. 3-6 .... 7-13 .. 0.350
Gaudio ..... 0-1 .. 2-3 .. 0-0 .. 0-0 .... 2-4 ... 0.333
Johansson .. 0-3 .. 0-2 .. 1-2 .. 2-1 .... 3-8 ... 0.273
Roddick .... 1-2 .. 0-1 .. 0-3 .. 1-2 .... 2-8 ... 0.200

Numbers in bold denote Grand Slam won by certain player. As you can see Thomas Johansson is the only Slam winner who didn't beat a single top-10 player en route to the title.

ChinoRios4Ever
03-08-2007, 10:00 PM
OMG!!!! A-Rod :retard:

DrJules
03-08-2007, 10:11 PM
Thanks for the stats. :)

Here are their records against Federer during his No. 1 reign -- that is, since Feb. 2, 2004 (of interest because he has dramatically affected the stats of these players!):

Nadal: 6-3 :tennis:
Hewitt: 0-8*
Roddick: 0-8
Safin: 1-3*
Ferrero: 0-2*
Gaudio 0-3
T. Johansson 0-3
Moya: 0-3
Kuerten: 1-0 :banana: :lol:


*I am not counting the AO2004 results, because Federer technically assumed No. 1 the day after the final.

33-8 and excluding Nadal 30-2:eek:

DrJules
03-08-2007, 10:14 PM
Slam champions vs Top-10 at Grand Slams:

............ AUS .. R/G .. WIM .. USO ... Total .. ratio

Federer .... 7-2 .. 1-4 .. 8-1 .. 8-1 ... 24-8 ... 0.750
Kuerten .... 0-0 .. 7-1 .. 0-1 .. 1-1 .... 8-3 ... 0.727
Safin ...... 6-2 .. 3-3 .. 0-0 .. 2-2 ... 11-7 ... 0.611
Nadal ...... 0-2 .. 3-0 .. 0-1 .. 0-1 .... 3-3 ... 0.500
Moya ....... 3-2 .. 1-3 .. 0-1 .. 2-1 .... 6-7 ... 0.462
Ferrero .... 0-2 .. 5-4 .. 0-1 .. 2-3 .... 7-10 .. 0.412
Hewitt ..... 2-3 .. 0-2 .. 2-2 .. 3-6 .... 7-13 .. 0.350
Gaudio ..... 0-1 .. 2-3 .. 0-0 .. 0-0 .... 2-4 ... 0.333
Johansson .. 0-3 .. 0-2 .. 1-2 .. 2-1 .... 3-8 ... 0.273
Roddick .... 1-2 .. 0-1 .. 0-3 .. 1-2 .... 2-8 ... 0.200

Numbers in bold denote Grand Slam won by certain player. As you can see Thomas Johansson is the only Slam winner who didn't beat a single top-10 player en route to the title.

Federer has impressed at 3 grand slams while Kuerten only at 1. Safin does not having a losing record at any of the 4 grand slams.

Merton
03-09-2007, 01:27 AM
Thank you for the stats. It looks interesting that Moya stands significantly higher than Ferrero in this dimension, I would imagine them much closer before looking at the data.

Havok
03-09-2007, 01:45 AM
Which top 10 player did Roddick lose to at RG? If it's Hewitt, we don't count retirements as loses thanks.

Winston's Human
03-09-2007, 01:54 AM
Which top 10 player did Roddick lose to at RG? If it's Hewitt, we don't count retirements as loses thanks.

It is Hewitt.

BTW, all of Roddick's top 10 losses in the slams are to Federer and Hewitt.

aramis
03-09-2007, 02:36 AM
Thank you for the stats. It looks interesting that Moya stands significantly higher than Ferrero in this dimension, I would imagine them much closer before looking at the data.

Well, Moya has played longer than JC.

Merton
03-09-2007, 02:53 AM
Well, Moya has played longer than JC.

Yes but not that much longer, their tournament results are quite similar.

Merton
03-09-2007, 04:32 AM
I just looked at their career record, Moya stands at 513-270 while Ferrero is 340-172 so Moya does have more chances to play against top-10 players.

R.Federer
03-09-2007, 05:01 AM
I just looked at their career record, Moya stands at 513-270 while Ferrero is 340-172 so Moya does have more chances to play against top-10 players.

Don't Moya and Ferrero's chances to play Top 10 depend on what their own rankings are since you run into Top 10's more frequently if you are lower ranked than if you are higher ranked (in which case you run into them in the last 2/3 rounds)? I don't see how you get these relative probabilities just from Moya 513-270 and Ferrero 340-172.

If I remember correctly, with Ferrero's illness and all, he has been outside Top 10 much more than Moya,although this is just a guess.

AnnaK_4ever
03-09-2007, 05:48 AM
Don't Moya and Ferrero's chances to play Top 10 depend on what their own rankings are since you run into Top 10's more frequently if you are lower ranked than if you are higher ranked (in which case you run into them in the last 2/3 rounds)? I don't see how you get these relative probabilities just from Moya 513-270 and Ferrero 340-172.

If I remember correctly, with Ferrero's illness and all, he has been outside Top 10 much more than Moya,although this is just a guess.

Not true at all.

In fact, if you're ranked in Top-10 your chances to meet other top-tenners are significantly higher than if you're lower ranked player.
For example Moya played 10 matches vs Top-10 in 1997 (when he reached AO final), 13 matches in 1998 (won RG), 18 matches in 2002 (returned to the Top-10) but only 3 matches in 1999 and 2 macthes in 2001.

AnnaK_4ever
03-09-2007, 06:14 AM
Matches vs Top-10 players in percentage to total matches played:

........... Total matches .. vs Top-10 .... Perc.

Federer ........ 621 .......... 116 ....... 18.7
Hewitt ......... 579 ........... 94 ....... 16.2
Safin .......... 569 ........... 84 ....... 14.8
Kuerten ........ 547 ........... 75 ....... 13.7
Ferrero ........ 515 ........... 69 ....... 13.4
Johansson ...... 577 ........... 76 ....... 13.2
Moya ........... 783 ........... 94 ....... 12.0
Nadal .......... 253 ........... 30 ....... 11.9
Roddick ........ 492 ........... 54 ....... 11.0
Gaudio ......... 445 ........... 42 ........ 9.4


............ Total wins .... vs Top-10 .... Perc.

Federer ........ 495 ........... 83 ....... 16.8
Hewitt ......... 441 ........... 56 ....... 12.7
Safin .......... 364 ........... 44 ....... 12.1
Kuerten ........ 358 ........... 37 ....... 10.3
Nadal .......... 192 ........... 19 ........ 9.9
Ferrero ........ 340 ........... 31 ........ 9.1
Moya ........... 513 ........... 41 ........ 8.0
Johansson ...... 321 ........... 22 ........ 6.8
Roddick ........ 370 ........... 17 ........ 4.6
Gaudio ......... 265 ........... 12 ........ 4.5

trixtah
03-09-2007, 08:19 AM
Federer has impressed at 3 grand slams while Kuerten only at 1. Safin does not having a losing record at any of the 4 grand slams.

still waiting for Escude to twist this around while on Hewitt's co_k and tell us all that grand slam records don't matter and that Safin sucks :)

really interesting stats though

Corey Feldman
03-09-2007, 09:44 AM
still waiting for Escude to twist this around while on Hewitt's co_k and tell us all that grand slam records don't matter and that Safin sucks :)Look at their records Vs the top10 stats... Hewitt well up and Saf barely.
the real fighter, the real champion! is the young Aussie unlike big grumpy Borat

Corey Feldman
03-09-2007, 09:48 AM
Which top 10 player did Roddick lose to at RG? If it's Hewitt, we don't count retirements as loses thanks.Yes we do thanks.

that is why Guccione owns the moonballer 1-0, as Glenn would say.
:rolls:

AnnaK_4ever
03-09-2007, 11:13 AM
still waiting for Escude to twist this around while on Hewitt's co_k and tell us all that grand slam records don't matter and that Safin sucks :)

really interesting stats though

Look at their records Vs the top10 stats... Hewitt well up and Saf barely.
the real fighter, the real champion! is the young Aussie unlike big grumpy Borat

I must put an end to it! Yes, Lleyton is better player, has achieved much more, has been better fighter, holds far better career numbers. Though all this has nothing to do with the thread's topic.
Peace, guys. Live in peace, I said! :fiery: :lol:

Pea
03-09-2007, 01:33 PM
I must put an end to it! Yes, Lleyton is better player, has achieved much more, has been better fighter, holds far better career numbers. Though all this has nothing to do with the thread's topic.
Peace, guys. Live in peace, I said! :fiery: :lol:

Yeah, this is about how much rodduck really sux. Duh!:devil:

Corey Feldman
03-09-2007, 02:27 PM
:lol: Pea

now lets wait how long Tangy takes to quote you with a filthy comment on how you love Roddick ;)

Winston's Human
03-09-2007, 02:29 PM
Yeah, this is about how much rodduck really sux. Duh!:devil:

The similarly-themed contemporaneous thread on WTA World would confirm that theory.

AnnaK_4ever
03-09-2007, 02:38 PM
Matches vs Top-10 players in percentage to total matches played:

........... Total matches .. vs Top-10 .... Perc.

Federer ........ 620 .......... 116 ....... 18.7
Hewitt ......... 579 ........... 94 ....... 16.2
Safin .......... 569 ........... 84 ....... 14.8
Kuerten ........ 547 ........... 75 ....... 13.7
Ferrero ........ 512 ........... 68 ....... 13.3
Johansson ...... 577 ........... 76 ....... 13.2
Moya ........... 783 ........... 94 ....... 12.0
Nadal .......... 247 ........... 29 ....... 11.7
Roddick ........ 487 ........... 52 ....... 10.7
Gaudio ......... 445 ........... 42 ........ 9.4


............ Total wins .... vs Top-10 .... Perc.

Federer ........ 495 ........... 83 ....... 16.8
Hewitt ......... 441 ........... 56 ....... 12.7
Safin .......... 364 ........... 44 ....... 12.1
Kuerten ........ 358 ........... 37 ....... 10.3
Nadal .......... 192 ........... 19 ........ 9.9
Ferrero ........ 340 ........... 31 ........ 9.1
Moya ........... 513 ........... 41 ........ 8.0
Johansson ...... 321 ........... 22 ........ 6.8
Roddick ........ 370 ........... 17 ........ 4.6
Gaudio ......... 265 ........... 12 ........ 4.5

And again in comparison with WTA Tour:

.......... Total matches ... vs Top-10 .... Perc.

S.Williams ..... 384 .......... 113 ....... 29.4
V.Williams ..... 511 .......... 141 ....... 27.6
Hingis ......... 652 .......... 175 ....... 26.8
Mauresmo ....... 560 .......... 142 ....... 25.4
Henin .......... 444 .......... 111 ....... 25.0
Clijsters ...... 483 .......... 120 ....... 24.8
Pierce ......... 708 .......... 144 ....... 20.3
Sharapova ...... 252 ........... 51 ....... 20.2
Myskina ........ 395 ........... 73 ....... 18.5
Kuznetsova ..... 296 ........... 52 ....... 17.6

............ Total wins .... vs Top-10 .... Perc.

S.Williams ..... 320 ........... 74 ....... 23.1
V.Williams ..... 412 ........... 86 ....... 20.9
Hingis ......... 528 .......... 103 ....... 19.5
Henin .......... 356 ........... 61 ....... 17.1
Clijsters ...... 387 ........... 65 ....... 16.8
Mauresmo ....... 414 ........... 69 ....... 16.7
Sharapova ...... 200 ........... 30 ....... 15.0
Pierce ......... 480 ........... 53 ....... 11.0
Myskina ........ 252 ........... 22 ........ 8.7
Kuznetsova ..... 204 ........... 14 ........ 6.9

AnnaK_4ever
03-09-2007, 02:48 PM
The similarly-themed contemporaneous thread on WTA World would confirm that theory.

Yes, I was 'impressed' with Andy's numbers and decided to search other players' ones. Before finding them I really had no idea Andy had such abysmal record.

Pea
03-09-2007, 02:53 PM
:lol: Pea

now lets wait how long Tangy takes to quote you with a filthy comment on how you love Roddick ;)

Oooh I just can't wait to get into her knickers.:p

Corey Feldman
03-09-2007, 05:55 PM
:haha:

R.Federer
03-09-2007, 06:11 PM
What do you have under the Total Matches? Total ever played? Played when they are No. 1? Played when they are Top 10?


Matches vs Top-10 players in percentage to total matches played:

........... Total matches .. vs Top-10 .... Perc.

Federer ........ 620 .......... 116 ....... 18.7
Hewitt ......... 579 ........... 94 ....... 16.2
Safin .......... 569 ........... 84 ....... 14.8

AnnaK_4ever
03-09-2007, 06:20 PM
What do you have under the Total Matches? Total ever played? Played when they are No. 1? Played when they are Top 10?

Total = Career, of course...

R.Federer
03-09-2007, 06:22 PM
I see, thank you.
So what are the number you're using in the post above that to infer that the player is more likely to encounter a Top 10 player if he himself is a Top 10 player?
I would be interested in seeing that (or if you could tell me waht you use I could look it up as well). You gave some numbers just for one player --Moya-- but I guess he is not representative of all players so I am not sure if his numbers alone matter.

Not true at all.

In fact, if you're ranked in Top-10 your chances to meet other top-tenners are significantly higher than if you're lower ranked player.
For example Moya played 10 matches vs Top-10 in 1997 (when he reached AO final), 13 matches in 1998 (won RG), 18 matches in 2002 (returned to the Top-10) but only 3 matches in 1999 and 2 macthes in 2001.

R.Federer
03-09-2007, 06:40 PM
Not true at all.

In fact, if you're ranked in Top-10 your chances to meet other top-tenners are significantly higher than if you're lower ranked player.
For example Moya played 10 matches vs Top-10 in 1997 (when he reached AO final), 13 matches in 1998 (won RG), 18 matches in 2002 (returned to the Top-10) but only 3 matches in 1999 and 2 macthes in 2001.

It seems you are not correct (about it being "Not True at all") as a general statement. Here are two counter example already :)

Andy Roddick, 2006. Top 10 throughout the year.
Met other Top 10 players six times in the year.

Andy Murray, 2006. Not Top 10 at ANY point in the year.
Met other Top 10 players MORE than roddick, eight times. :)

Novak Djokovic, 2006. Not Top 10 at any time throughout the year.
Also met other Top 10 players six times in the year.


If any one has stats on actual probabilities, not just from few examples, I would be interested.

AnnaK_4ever
03-09-2007, 06:42 PM
I see, thank you.
So what are the number you're using in the post above that to infer that the player is more likely to encounter a Top 10 player if he himself is a Top 10 player?
I would be interested in seeing that (or if you could tell me waht you use I could look it up as well). You gave some numbers just for one player --Moya-- but I guess he is not representative of all players so I am not sure if his numbers alone matter.

I wasn't right either.
Actually there is no correlation between player's rank and possibility of meeting top players.

We should rather look at which tournaments they play. That might explain why Moya who plays bunch of MM events despite being ranked in Top-10 for five years (more than Ferrero and Safin) has relatively low percentage of matches played against top-tenners. Same goes to Gaudio and... Roddick.
On the contrary, Johansson usually participates only at big events and therefore plays Top-10 more often than Moya, Roddick and Gaudio.

R.Federer
03-09-2007, 06:47 PM
Anna,

Do you have all these data like in Excel format or something?
Or are you manually computing for each statistic?
I can't be bothered to manually download all data, but if someone who has put in hours of work wants to share .. I'll compute some fun stuff and report back here :)

AnnaK_4ever
03-09-2007, 06:57 PM
Anna,

Do you have all these data like in Excel format or something?
Or are you manually computing for each statistic?
I can't be bothered to manually download all data, but if someone who has put in hours of work wants to share .. I'll compute some fun stuff and report back here :)

I had these files but my stupid brother accidently deleted them two weeks ago! :fiery: I was about to kill him!

And I'm too lazy to collect all that info once again. I remember some numbers but not much...

Merton
03-09-2007, 07:06 PM
Don't Moya and Ferrero's chances to play Top 10 depend on what their own rankings are since you run into Top 10's more frequently if you are lower ranked than if you are higher ranked (in which case you run into them in the last 2/3 rounds)? I don't see how you get these relative probabilities just from Moya 513-270 and Ferrero 340-172.

If I remember correctly, with Ferrero's illness and all, he has been outside Top 10 much more than Moya,although this is just a guess.

I had in mind that playing more matches implies that Moya has been historically going deeper in tournaments hence he has more chances of eventually playing against top-10 players.

AnnaK_4ever
03-09-2007, 08:44 PM
I had in mind that playing more matches implies that Moya has been historically going deeper in tournaments hence he has more chances of eventually playing against top-10 players.

If you want to know who has been going deeper in tournaments you need to compare win-loss ratios but not numbers of macthes played or macthes won. And Ferrero's win-loss ratio is better than Moya's one.

R.Federer
03-09-2007, 10:41 PM
I had in mind that playing more matches implies that Moya has been historically going deeper in tournaments hence he has more chances of eventually playing against top-10 players.

I guess playing more matches means just that, he played more matches. It could imply either playing many matches per tournament (=going deep) as easily as it could imply playing shallow in many tournaments (=not going deep in any).
Anyway, I am hopeful less lazy than me will share the data, I'll then produce some fun stats with that.

R.Federer
03-09-2007, 10:42 PM
I had these files but my stupid brother accidently deleted them two weeks ago! :fiery: I was about to kill him!

And I'm too lazy to collect all that info once again. I remember some numbers but not much...

Brothers .... :fiery: :lol:

Merton
03-10-2007, 01:32 AM
Moya has winning matches to all matches ratio of 513/(270+513)=65.5% while Ferrero has a ratio of 340/(340+172)=66.4%. The difference is not that big.