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Who will roast Rafa in IW?

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Rogiman
03-06-2007, 09:34 PM
Other than these 3 I can't see anyone capable of a roasting this week :p

Oops, the draw confused me...

So add Roddick to the list, and pretend it's Youzhny (R16), Berdych (QF), Roddick (SF) or Federer (F)

MissPovaFan
03-06-2007, 09:37 PM
Nadal has to come good soon so I'd say he will make it to Federer...before losing.

atheneglaukopis
03-06-2007, 09:38 PM
I cannot resist...



Safin? :angel:



:bolt:

Edit: Ooh, wait, the draw's out? 'Bout time. *checks*
Edit2: Yep, definitely Safin (F). :crazy:

Andre♥
03-06-2007, 09:39 PM
Wrong poll.

Should be Youzhny 4th round, Berdych QF, Roddick SF, Federer F

scarecrows
03-06-2007, 09:40 PM
BYE :rocker2:

Deathless Mortal
03-06-2007, 09:40 PM
Youzhny is round4, Berdych is QF, Ljubo is SF, and Fed F :p :wavey:

Or Levy
03-06-2007, 09:41 PM
I want to see a Nadal/Roddick Semi Final!

But my vote is on Youzhny, again.

Rogiman
03-06-2007, 09:41 PM
Wrong poll.

Should be Youzhny 4th round, Berdych QF, Roddick SF, Federer FYeah, I can't edit the poll though...

Deathless Mortal
03-06-2007, 09:41 PM
Youzhny will beat him.

TMJordan
03-06-2007, 09:47 PM
Misha will do the honors once again.

Sunset of Age
03-06-2007, 09:49 PM
High expectations for Misha, but I don't see him do the trick again.
Would love to see a Roddick-Rafa match. Perhaps... A-Rod? ;)

Alonsofz
03-06-2007, 09:50 PM
Nico Massú will beat him :rocker2:

scarecrows
03-06-2007, 09:52 PM
Nadal will piss on his pants when he sees Misha on the other side of the net

Byrd
03-06-2007, 09:57 PM
Nadal most likely route

R1 Bye
R2 Clement
R3 Verdasco
R4 Youzhny/Ferrero
QF Berdych/Baghdatis
SF Ljubicic/Roddick/Gasquet/Nalbandian/Malisse
F Federer

RonE
03-06-2007, 09:59 PM
Not a bad combo :D

If Misha can now recover after making two finals in a row I can definitely see him making it into the round of 16 and of course he has the confidence.

I would like Berdych to do his part and make the quarters just as back up though.

Byrd
03-06-2007, 10:03 PM
Only player missing is Blake, but I'm happy enough with this draw Lol

RonE
03-06-2007, 10:08 PM
^^Gonzo is also on the other side but as you said, it could have been worse....

dorkino
03-06-2007, 10:10 PM
"The BYE".

Jlee
03-06-2007, 10:11 PM
Roddick. I just want to see the two of them play already :sobbing:

Regenbogen
03-06-2007, 10:11 PM
Berdych. I'd rather it be Roddick in the SF though.

tripb19
03-06-2007, 10:12 PM
Hopefully Nalby or Roddick just for matchup sake.

Byrd
03-06-2007, 10:13 PM
I got a feeling Clement and Verdasco might push/beat him.

Fergie
03-06-2007, 10:15 PM
Misha! :rocker2:

guga2120
03-06-2007, 10:15 PM
on this court which is not slow, i would think Youzhny again will most certainly beat him.

It won't be Federer, if Rafa can somehow beat all those players and get to the final, which i think is very,very unlikely, would mean hes playing really good and would beat Federer, again.

CyBorg
03-06-2007, 10:17 PM
I hope Nadal wins Indian Wells, so that we have the rivalry back. We need it!!!

Wouldn't put any money on it though.

Gasquet better start making some noise soon.

guga2120
03-06-2007, 10:19 PM
Gasquet better start making some noise soon. hes going out to Gustavo in the 2nd round.:D , i hope.

Metis
03-06-2007, 10:21 PM
It will be ...baldy/bloody Murray. :D :devil:

Byrd
03-06-2007, 10:23 PM
Guga Vs Gasquet, Battle of the Backhands :hearts:

idolwatcher1
03-06-2007, 10:30 PM
aww... what will Rafa's fate be?

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4716/rafadog1ai2.jpg

Byrd
03-06-2007, 10:32 PM
Where's the option of Nadal calling the tournament director and saying he has a 'injury'?

fmolinari2005
03-06-2007, 10:35 PM
Guga Vs Gasquet, Battle of the Backhands :hearts:

Would be a nice match to see. But I fear Guga`s chances are slim.

But you guys are missing a fundamental law of tennis: if Nalby, Roddick and Rafa are on the same side of the draw, two of them will always lose early ...

Roddick would be a nice addition to the Piggy Roasters though! :D :D (and would start the talk about who is the real number two! )

fmolinari2005
03-06-2007, 10:37 PM
Where's the option of Nadal calling the tournament director and saying he has a 'injury'?

:) :) :) :) :) :devil: :devil: :worship: :worship: :worship:

It wouldnt be the first time he would be stroke by the Bullshit virus ...

simo4cufc
03-06-2007, 10:38 PM
It will be ...baldy/bloody Murray. :D :devil:

That would have to be in the final, so I'd be happy with that :)

guga2120
03-06-2007, 10:38 PM
(and would start the talk about who is the real number two! )

the real number 2 should win majors.

Beforehand
03-06-2007, 10:40 PM
I'm a Federer fan, who hates giving credit or whatever, but the draws have not been kind to Rafa in the slightest. They are just BRUTAL.

scarecrows
03-06-2007, 10:42 PM
I'm a Federer fan, who hates giving credit or whatever, but the draws have not been kind to Rafa in the slightest. They are just BRUTAL.

it would have been the same with Haas, Murray, Gonzo on the other side

Tomy
03-06-2007, 10:42 PM
It's impossible to get an easy draw when all top10 players are playing the tournament... just read those names... wow... scary

R.Federer
03-06-2007, 10:42 PM
Hawkeye will be the roaster ;)

Nah, he should get to the QFs. After that, it depends how much confidence he has built up. It would be nice to have a Federer-nadal final and see if the H2H can continue improving for Federer.

Tomy
03-06-2007, 10:43 PM
BTW, Del potro Vs Guga Kuerten on 1st roundddddddddddddddddd

fmolinari2005
03-06-2007, 10:44 PM
I'm a Federer fan, who hates giving credit or whatever, but the draws have not been kind to Rafa in the slightest. They are just BRUTAL.

I wouldnt say brutal. I would say fair. Both have tough opponents in front of them. It happens that on hard courts Rafa is more vulnerable. If this was a clay tournament, I bet that there wouldnt be a "brutal" draw to Rafa.

Byrd
03-06-2007, 10:46 PM
aww... what will Rafa's fate be?

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4716/rafadog1ai2.jpg

Lol! :worship:

Peoples
03-06-2007, 10:46 PM
Whoever gets him first. But not Verdasco. That guy couldn't even microwave roasted pork if he was starving.

fmolinari2005
03-06-2007, 10:46 PM
BTW, Del potro Vs Guga Kuerten on 1st roundddddddddddddddddd


Great!!! Vamos Del Potro and Vamos Guga!!!!

Beforehand
03-06-2007, 10:51 PM
I wouldnt say brutal. I would say fair. Both have tough opponents in front of them. It happens that on hard courts Rafa is more vulnerable. If this was a clay tournament, I bet that there wouldnt be a "brutal" draw to Rafa.
Yeah. That's true. Rafa's draw is only brutal because it's Rafa. I mean...I'm just saying, if that were Federer, I'd probably be a little less inclined to worry.

david_williams
03-06-2007, 10:54 PM
Mikhail
I guess Rafa is afraid of every single-hand backhand's player except Roger.

GlennMirnyi
03-06-2007, 10:55 PM
on this court which is not slow, i would think Youzhny again will most certainly beat him.

It won't be Federer, if Rafa can somehow beat all those players and get to the final, which i think is very,very unlikely, would mean hes playing really good and would beat Federer, again.

Federer ain't losing outside clay to the moonballer.

guga2120
03-06-2007, 10:59 PM
Federer ain't losing outside clay to the moonballer.

thats b/c Nadal won't get to him, not b/c Nadal can't beat him.

The way Nadal is playing right now it would be good if he gets to the Russian.

GlennMirnyi
03-06-2007, 11:51 PM
thats b/c Nadal won't get to him, not b/c Nadal can't beat him.

The way Nadal is playing right now it would be good if he gets to the Russian.

Get used to it, it will only go downhill from here.

Peoples
03-06-2007, 11:54 PM
Just imagine one of his moonballs and Nadal as the ball that's been to the highest point and is now spinning downwards ;)

GlennMirnyi
03-06-2007, 11:57 PM
Just imagine one of his moonballs and Nadal as the ball that's been to the highest point and is now spinning downwards ;)

And then when it bounces, the highest point is never high as the first one. :lol:

Horatio Caine
03-07-2007, 12:01 AM
Mr. Mirnyi...how are you sweet cheeks? :kiss:

How the hell can you quote that retarded idiot Joeb in your sig? :o

guga2120
03-07-2007, 12:01 AM
Get used to it, it will only go downhill from here.

you mean the clay courts? well if it happens there, i would just say theres not much he can do. I am going to have to see him beat first before i say its completly downhill, even with his terrible form as of late.

I don't think he will do to much as this tournament though.

Horatio Caine
03-07-2007, 12:01 AM
On to the topic in question...

I think Roddick could "roast" Rafa this week.

safinaferrero
03-07-2007, 12:17 AM
Federer-
it's not because nadal lost a couple of matchs that he will loose quickly in this tournement :o

GlennMirnyi
03-07-2007, 12:21 AM
Mr. Mirnyi...how are you sweet cheeks? :kiss:

How the hell can you quote that retarded idiot Joeb in your sig? :o

He may be an idiot, but that sentence is bloody funny. :lol:

you mean the clay courts? well if it happens there, i would just say theres not much he can do. I am going to have to see him beat first before i say its completly downhill, even with his terrible form as of late.

I don't think he will do to much as this tournament though.

No, I mean in general.

aramis
03-07-2007, 12:28 AM
Ferrero will take care of him

NYCtennisfan
03-07-2007, 12:51 AM
I wonder if IW will play as slowly as it did last year? It was as slow as Mimai last year which is strange given the dry air at IW and the humidity in Miami.

RogiFan88
03-07-2007, 01:21 AM
Berdych will not make it far enough to meet Rafa...

Mimi
03-07-2007, 01:34 AM
you ;)

Bremen
03-07-2007, 01:53 AM
Youzhny hopefully...I want him to do well at this tournament and get into the top 10 where he belongs.

silverarrows
03-07-2007, 01:54 AM
Misha will do it. :cool:

soraya
03-07-2007, 02:23 AM
I got a feeling Clement and Verdasco might push/beat him.


I think I have to go with Clement or Verdasco too, just to change cook this time:p

TenHound
03-07-2007, 04:22 AM
The ATP has appointed Misha as it's Official Matador :)

oz_boz
03-07-2007, 11:00 AM
I'm a Federer fan, who hates giving credit or whatever, but the draws have not been kind to Rafa in the slightest. They are just BRUTAL.

Pretty rough yes, but Blake and Gonzo are on other half, not the worst draw by any means. Chances also that Berdych doesn't make the QF.

Mikhail
I guess Rafa is afraid of every single-hand backhand's player except Roger.

Add to the exceptions Robredo, Haas and Ljubo, probably also Gasquet.

mickymouse
03-07-2007, 11:24 AM
Roddick (SF)
Verdasco has the game to beat him but not the mind. As for Youzhny, it'll be asking too much of him to beat Nadal 3 times in a row. I suspect Nadal will die on court than grant him another win. Berdych won't make it that far. So it's Roddick who will do the honours.

kindablue
03-07-2007, 11:25 AM
The ATP has appointed Misha as it's Official Matador :)

:lol:

jcempire
03-07-2007, 06:14 PM
Youzhny

jcempire
03-07-2007, 06:15 PM
IF he can get in Final, He could get the title

jazar
03-07-2007, 06:27 PM
youzhny will beat him

Fed=ATPTourkilla
03-07-2007, 06:45 PM
Just imagine one of his moonballs and Nadal as the ball that's been to the highest point and is now spinning downwards ;)

:haha:

Blue Heart24
03-07-2007, 07:03 PM
Clement :p

stebs
03-07-2007, 09:46 PM
on this court which is not slow, i would think Youzhny again will most certainly beat him.

It won't be Federer, if Rafa can somehow beat all those players and get to the final, which i think is very,very unlikely, would mean hes playing really good and would beat Federer, again.

The best form Nadal has shown since Wimbledon was against Federer in Shanghai and he lost in straights.

Sunset of Age
03-07-2007, 09:51 PM
The best form Nadal has shown since Wimbledon was against Federer in Shanghai and he lost in straights.

Yep. So even if manages to reach the final, I have to admit I don't give him much of a chance - if Fed's there awaiting for him, that is!

Roger has got to get his job done first as well, remember? ;)

DwyaneWade
03-07-2007, 10:36 PM
The best form Nadal has shown since Wimbledon was against Federer in Shanghai and he lost in straights.

Well to be fair no one has really given Federer a real scare in a while. Nadal at his very best is probably a top7-8 on hardcourts.

A_Skywalker
03-07-2007, 10:38 PM
Noone will roast him casue he wins :cool:

Rogiman
03-07-2007, 10:51 PM
Noone will roast him casue he wins :cool:
Rrrrrright.... :tape:

RonE
03-07-2007, 10:54 PM
Rrrrrright.... :tape:

Hey come on, let Darth Vader here bask in the comfort of illusion... at least for now :devil:

Byrd
03-07-2007, 10:59 PM
Hey come on, let Darth Vader here bask in the comfort of illusion... at least for now :devil:

I guess the 'Force' only gets you so far :p

selyoink
03-07-2007, 11:00 PM
Youzhny

A_Skywalker
03-07-2007, 11:02 PM
let the hooligans have a little fun :)

SaFed2005
03-08-2007, 12:43 AM
I hope Roddick roasts him this time around.

sondraj06
03-08-2007, 01:28 AM
Once again another thread dedicated to rafa's downfall. Fedtards obsessing over my fav players more than theirs. Does it ever change.

mangoes
03-08-2007, 01:39 AM
6 months just seems like forever.

kronus12
03-08-2007, 02:19 AM
it would be good if that moonballer get to the final so roger can beat him 3 times in a row or 4 if you count that seoul match. Why do most of the rafatards assume he win the title even if its federer he meets, helloooo.....fed has beaten him in the last three matches dosen't that register in your delusional minds.

Allure
03-08-2007, 02:21 AM
I will. Umm bacon....:lick:

sondraj06
03-08-2007, 02:22 AM
I will. Umm bacon....:lick:


I hope you all choke on chitlins, while your at it

Allure
03-08-2007, 02:23 AM
I hope you all choke on chitlins, while your at it

That sounds good too.:)

Xristos
03-08-2007, 02:47 AM
Youzhny will beat him.

One word. Two letters. NO.

gebl
03-08-2007, 12:22 PM
One word. Two letters. NO.

interesting. What do you predict, then, please?

Kolya
03-08-2007, 12:38 PM
Misha will get 3 in a row :D

sondraj06
03-08-2007, 02:18 PM
A true fan never doubts.

keqtqiadv
03-08-2007, 02:32 PM
Bye

t0x
03-08-2007, 03:28 PM
Misha

Although I think Clement will certainly give him a test...

connectolove
03-08-2007, 04:15 PM
I really hope that Rafa surprises us all by not losing on the first round.

connectolove
03-08-2007, 05:03 PM
A true fan never doubts.

I am not sure of this. You can be a fan and understand that the player is going through a bad patch and still be a fan. It is ok to be a fan of somebody that is not winning at the moment. I only hope that Rafa's game evolves and gets better.

rosamunda
03-08-2007, 05:20 PM
A true fan never doubts.

A true fan ALWAYS doubts. To be otherwise is unrealistic.

Jim Courier
03-08-2007, 05:28 PM
A true fan never doubts.
That's a fanatic, not a "fan".

sondraj06
03-08-2007, 06:57 PM
oh good freaking lord, did that one little comment really need twenty thousand quotes behind it.

O.K let me re-word that, a true rafa fan never doubts in the boiling mist of mtf rafa hate. Or did we forget where we are?

decrepitude
03-08-2007, 07:01 PM
3=20,000.

Interesting mathmatics there.

sondraj06
03-08-2007, 07:03 PM
3=20,000.

Interesting mathmatics there.

wow, is it just me and the world I live in, because it seems no one on this board at any time gets sarcasim. Please tell me, am I living in a made up world. where people understand exaggeration and sarcasim to get a point across. No seriously tell me, because if I need to be on meds to step back into reality, I should get on that right now.

Bagelicious
03-09-2007, 12:16 AM
wow, is it just me and the world I live in, because it seems no one on this board at any time gets sarcasim. Please tell me, am I living in a made up world. where people understand exaggeration and sarcasim to get a point across. No seriously tell me, because if I need to be on meds to step back into reality, I should get on that right now.

What's 'sarcasim'? I don't get it. :scratch:

sar·casm /ˈsɑrkæzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sahr-kaz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.

Oh, and the reason people didn't get your 'sarcasim' was because it was a weak attempt and better described as hyperbole and not sarcasm. I'll let you look that one up on your own.

fmolinari2005
03-09-2007, 12:31 AM
Maybe she was, indeed, being sarcastic! She might not believe that Nadal wont get roasted after all! ;) :D :D :D :D

sondraj06
03-09-2007, 12:35 AM
What's 'sarcasim'? I don't get it. :scratch:



Oh, and the reason people didn't get your 'sarcasim' was because it was a weak attempt and better described as hyperbole and not sarcasm. I'll let you look that one up on your own.


Kajonie You don't seem to get a lot. But since i'm in the mood to help the slow and retarded, I'll give you my best attempt at charity. The exaggeration would refer to my post in which I responding to what you quoted and the sarcasm would refer to the board in general and my perception of the posters on this board. Kay got it, If not let me know and I'll try and pm you something simpler.

sondraj06
03-09-2007, 12:36 AM
Oh, and the reason people didn't get your 'sarcasim' was because it was a weak attempt and better described as hyperbole and not sarcasm. I'll let you look that one up on your own.

And glad to see you never stop never stop learning in life. Try the encyclopedia when your done with the dictionary

fmolinari2005
03-09-2007, 12:41 AM
Kajonie You don't seem to get a lot. But since i'm in the mood to help the slow and retarded, I'll give you my best attempt at charity. The exaggeration would refer to my post in which I responding to what you quoted and the sarcasm would refer to the board in general and my perception of the posters on this board. Kay got it, If not let me know and I'll try and pm you something simpler.

ROFL

Kajonie, if she sends you a pm, let us know ... this is getting funny!!!

But we shouldnt underestimate Sondraj06! After all, she is smart enough to turn on the computer, log on to MTF and write stuff here. But I guess on that process she spends most of her brain power, and when it comes to writing all it comes out is wsljdpoirsaliadpfjaprkolikdasijfadp ...

sondraj06
03-09-2007, 12:45 AM
ROFL

Kajonie, if she sends you a pm, let us know ... this is getting funny!!!

But we shouldnt underestimate Sondraj06! After all, she is smart enough to turn on the computer, log on to MTF and write stuff here. But I guess on that process she spends most of her brain power, and when it comes to writing all it comes out is wsljdpoirsaliadpfjaprkolikdasijfadp ...

Please all the unnecessary pda is getting a little sickening. You two, take it to a a back ally.

But your the one who deserves the credit, you atleast have enough brain cells to laugh. That's more than I can say for some of your, can we say f*** buddies who patrol this board

Metis
03-09-2007, 12:48 AM
sarcasm, hyperbole... it's all Greek to me. ;)

fmolinari2005
03-09-2007, 12:51 AM
Please all the unnecessary pda is getting a little sickening. You two, take it to a a back ally.


.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..............

Ouch! What a comeback!

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....

After all, if teen-like comebacks is all you got, I will play it by your rules! :D :D :D

sondraj06
03-09-2007, 12:54 AM
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Ouch! What a comeback!

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....

After all, if teen-like comebacks is all you got, I will play it by your rules! :D :D :D

Ouch, tell kajonie to take it a little easier next time, we don't need to hear about your freaky escapades

fmolinari2005
03-09-2007, 12:58 AM
Ouch, tell kajonie to take it a little easier next time, we don't need to hear about your freaky escapades

Of course! That is what was missing! A silly sex joke!! Not only you think like a teenager, but a teenager struggling to cope with the changes on your body!

sondraj06
03-09-2007, 01:01 AM
Of course! That is what was missing! A silly sex joke!! Not only you think like a teenager, but a teenager struggling to cope with the changes on your body!

So are you suggesting that I ask one of your F*** friends, to give me some pointers on how to cope with my bodily issues. Or are you volunteering, if so sorry I don't take pointers from common whores, i'm more into the high class call girls.

fmolinari2005
03-09-2007, 01:10 AM
So are you suggesting that I ask one of your F*** friends, to give me some pointers on how to cope with my bodily issues. Or are you volunteering, if so sorry I don't take pointers from common whores, i'm more into the high class call girls.

I am not suggesting anything. I only made the psychiatric diagnose! ;)

But, hey ... you are making remarkable progress!!! You got over pretty quickly the "denial" step. Anger here we go ... :D

sondraj06
03-09-2007, 01:15 AM
I am not suggesting anything. I only made the psychiatric diagnose! ;)

But, hey ... you are making remarkable progress!!! You got over pretty quickly the "denial" step. Anger here we go ... :D

Sorry to disapoint, your the last to know.

But as long as were helping each other out. I just joined the "save a ho" foundation and they recommended that I go out and find my first case,your it

feel the love :hug:

and I thought I would have to patrol the streets.

Byrd
03-09-2007, 01:17 AM
Too much shit being spouted here, lets get back to roasting people :)

fmolinari2005
03-09-2007, 01:22 AM
Sorry to disapoint, your the last to know.

But as long as were helping each other out. I just joined the "save a ho" foundation and they recommended that I go out and find my first case,your it

feel the love :hug:

I see anger will take a while to go away!

fmolinari2005
03-09-2007, 01:27 AM
Too much shit being spouted here, lets get back to roasting people :)

Oh yes! Bye is a serious contender IMO!

Merton
03-09-2007, 01:33 AM
sarcasm, hyperbole... it's all Greek to me. ;)

irony, antithesis, sociology,... Just adding words for you. ;) Hopefully nobody suffers an apoplexy from the level of antithesis here.

fmolinari2005
03-09-2007, 01:37 AM
irony, antithesis, sociology,... Just adding words for you. ;) Hopefully nobody suffers an apoplexy from the level of antithesis here.

:D :D :D :D :D :worship: :worship:

I feel like reading the transcripts from "My big fat greek wedding"!!!

cmurray
03-09-2007, 01:47 AM
irony, antithesis, sociology,... Just adding words for you. ;) Hopefully nobody suffers an apoplexy from the level of antithesis here.

OMG! Apoplexy!!! :hearts: I've never met another person who knows what that means! I use it whenever i can....it has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

Metis
03-09-2007, 03:08 AM
irony, antithesis, sociology,... Just adding words for you. ;) Hopefully nobody suffers an apoplexy from the level of antithesis here.

:lol:

No need to panic. I think most people are by now acclimatized to the plethora of dogmatic, egocentric and illogical posts that synthesize the pandemonium known as MTF. However sometimes this cacophony can generate substantial psychological trauma if prophylactic measures are not taken.

:silly:

GlennMirnyi
03-09-2007, 03:22 AM
I used an example of syllogism in the other thread. That should be noted as greek. :p

Metis
03-09-2007, 03:25 AM
I used an example of syllogism in the other thread. That should be noted as greek. :p

:eek: Miracles will never cease!


:ras: :lol:

Action Jackson
03-09-2007, 03:26 AM
One can only be bamboozled by the brilliance that passes off as dialogue in the internet world known as MTF, among the highly intellectual posts and the dogmatic defence of respective heroes, it will never a reach a level where a cataclysmic shift will revolutionise MTF as we know it and turn this into a sea of grandiloquence.

GlennMirnyi
03-09-2007, 03:32 AM
:eek: Miracles will never cease!


:ras: :lol:

I love philosophy and used to be quite good at it. :p

Merton
03-09-2007, 03:33 AM
I can only imagine if atheneglaukopis joins the dialogue here. I bet it would make her day to point out that syllogism is related to logic.

GlennMirnyi
03-09-2007, 03:36 AM
I can only imagine if atheneglaukopis joins the dialogue here. I bet it would make her day to point out that syllogism is related to logic.

Is logos related to logic, mate? :p

Metis
03-09-2007, 03:38 AM
I love philosophy and used to be quite good at it. :p

My reply can be explained by the underlined section below: :angel:


I can only imagine if atheneglaukopis joins the dialogue here. I bet it would make her day to point out that syllogism is related to logic.

GlennMirnyi
03-09-2007, 03:40 AM
My reply can be explained by the underlined section below: :angel:

Logic is a part of philosophy, or are you all being :p ???

Merton
03-09-2007, 03:44 AM
Is logos related to logic, mate? :p

That is excellent. :yeah: I think logos is the root word but I am not a linguist :p We need more analogies in the level of dialectic communication here on MTF.

Metis
03-09-2007, 03:46 AM
Logic is a part of philosophy, or are you all being :p ???

I was commenting on the idea of you using logic. I was just teasing. :D

GlennMirnyi
03-09-2007, 03:48 AM
That is excellent. :yeah: I think logos is the root word but I am not a linguist :p We need more analogies in the level of dialectic communication here on MTF.

Next thing you know they're gonna tell us logistics comes from logos. :p

GlennMirnyi
03-09-2007, 03:48 AM
I was commenting on the idea of you using logic. I was just teasing. :D

You should read more my posts. :p ;)

Metis
03-09-2007, 03:51 AM
You should read more my posts. :p ;)

It would be like looking for a needle in a stack of hay. :p

GlennMirnyi
03-09-2007, 03:52 AM
It would be like looking for a needle in a stack of hay. :p

That's a logical fallacy. :p

Metis
03-09-2007, 03:58 AM
That's a logical fallacy. :p

You know it's not! Are you trying to get all philosophical with me Glenn? :D

GlennMirnyi
03-09-2007, 04:04 AM
You know it's not! Are you trying to get all philosophical with me Glenn? :D

Saying that my posts are logically flawed is called hasty generalisation by logic. :ras: ;)

Merton
03-09-2007, 04:08 AM
This is :topic: but somebody just told me a joke about GW Bush. Allegedly he once said that the problem of the French people is that they do not encourage entrepreneurial activity like the US does and they don't know the meaning of the word entrepreneur :haha:

GlennMirnyi
03-09-2007, 04:09 AM
This is :topic: but somebody just told me a joke about GW Bush. Allegedly he once said that the problem of the French people is that they do not encourage entrepreneurial activity like the US does and they don't know the meaning of the word entrepreneur :haha:

:lol:

Metis
03-09-2007, 04:12 AM
Saying that my posts are logically flawed is called hasty generalisation by logic. :ras: ;)

Nothing hasty about my judgment. It is based on 8+ months of observation. :lol:

Metis
03-09-2007, 04:19 AM
This is :topic: but somebody just told me a joke about GW Bush. Allegedly he once said that the problem of the French people is that they do not encourage entrepreneurial activity like the US does and they don't know the meaning of the word entrepreneur :haha:

:lol: I am amazed he could even pronounce the word entrepreneur.

Don't worry about being off topic. This thread got derailed long ago. :lol:

Mr.Gasquet
03-09-2007, 06:16 AM
Hopefully Youzshy will take Rafael out. Mikhail should have that match point from his horrendous shot which should have been too easy to make it! :o And yes it was at Australian Open

Bagelicious
03-09-2007, 06:22 AM
Hopefully Youzshy will take Rafael out. Mikhail should have that match point from his horrendous shot which should have been too easy to make it! :o And yes it was at Australian Open

Crazy kid, trying to get this thread back on track...

Mr.Gasquet
03-09-2007, 06:37 AM
Crazy kid, trying to get this thread back on track...

Lol sorry! :ras: :ras:

Saturn66
03-09-2007, 07:32 AM
Misha

wenty
03-09-2007, 09:34 AM
Either Berdych or Youzhny will stop Nadal. Theres no way he'll make this final.

Corey Feldman
03-09-2007, 10:13 AM
We'll get the kid early here

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7519/montagemae2io.png

Kolya
03-09-2007, 11:11 AM
^^ Lmao.

Tchovs
03-09-2007, 05:03 PM
We'll get the kid early here

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7519/montagemae2io.png

:haha:

sondraj06
03-09-2007, 05:05 PM
Funny Rafa as moggully is still more burning hot than any of the male wannabe posers on this baord. Is that what really burns

Corey Feldman
03-09-2007, 06:02 PM
moggully :lol:

RickDaStick
03-09-2007, 06:03 PM
What a clown this ass picker is.

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-09-2007, 06:42 PM
This thread appears to be a group circle jerk by all the Fedtards and Lluboho fans.

Sad that you spend your whole lives targeting a 20 year old.

cmurray
03-09-2007, 06:44 PM
This thread appears to be a group circle jerk by all the Fedtards and Lluboho fans.

Sad that you spend your whole lives targeting a 20 year old.

Oh good. You're back. :wavey:

Byrd
03-09-2007, 06:49 PM
This thread appears to be a group circle jerk by all the Fedtards and Lluboho fans.

Sad that you spend your whole lives targeting a 20 year old.

Sad that you said you wouldn't be here anymore after Rafa lost the AO, but I guess your other sock proved us wrong.

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-09-2007, 06:54 PM
Sad that you said you wouldn't be here anymore after Rafa lost the AO, but I guess your other sock proved us wrong.

I cant let MTF degrade any further.
I have to protect the normal people from the psychotic Fedtards who are obsessed with bashing Nadal.

my0118
03-09-2007, 07:55 PM
I cant let MTF degrade any further.
I have to protect the normal people from the psychotic Fedtards who are obsessed with bashing Nadal.


No offense, but insanity bashing and catfights of each other's fans are crucial elements of MTF keep going.:angel:

sondraj06
03-09-2007, 07:57 PM
No offense, but insanity bashing and catfights of each other's fans are crucial elements of MTF keep going.:angel:


Yeah but the federation has gotten out of hand. It's not even the fedtards that I dislike, it's all the lonely anonymous posters that they have alliances with that annoy me the most.

my0118
03-09-2007, 08:20 PM
Yeah but the federation has gotten out of hand. It's not even the fedtards that I dislike, it's all the lonely anonymous posters that they have alliances with that annoy me the most.

oooh, you're saying my post is more irritating than Fedtards posts that you hate?

BlakeorHenman
03-09-2007, 09:34 PM
It's gonna be Berdych

sondraj06
03-09-2007, 10:50 PM
oooh, you're saying my post is more irritating than Fedtards posts that you hate?

I don't know. Would you consider yourself part of the fedtardaration.

Do all or most all of your post some how or another bring rafa into a convo that has nothing to do with him just to insult him. Do you troll patrol the board for threads about him, don't add any constructive criticism, but find the need to bash him for no reason other than that it gives you pleasure.

I expect it from the fedtard council but the independent leeches, really get on my nerves.

Peoples
03-09-2007, 11:01 PM
Yeah but the federation has gotten out of hand. It's not even the fedtards that I dislike, it's all the lonely anonymous posters that they have alliances with that annoy me the most.

There seems to be something really badly wrong with you mentally. Go get help before it's too late.

sondraj06
03-09-2007, 11:33 PM
There seems to be something really badly wrong with you mentally. Go get help before it's too late.

Hello leech :wavey:

Peoples
03-09-2007, 11:40 PM
Hello leech :wavey:

That comment pretty much proves my point

sondraj06
03-10-2007, 12:05 AM
That comment pretty much proves my point

Funny because all your post prove mine

my0118
03-10-2007, 02:19 AM
I don't know. Would you consider yourself part of the fedtardaration.

Do all or most all of your post some how or another bring rafa into a convo that has nothing to do with him just to insult him. Do you troll patrol the board for threads about him, don't add any constructive criticism, but find the need to bash him for no reason other than that it gives you pleasure.

I expect it from the fedtard council but the independent leeches, really get on my nerves.

For the record, I'm pretty sure I never wrote about Rafa-controversial-posts.
And Don't take it seriously my post, dear.
Since I saw your posts, I've decided that I shouldn't take them seriously until you get married to Nadal.
One more thing, if you mean I'm one of leeches you mentioned,
okay I'm a leech who enjoy to see all shindies and hilarious posts AND think yours are the best among them.

sondraj06
03-10-2007, 03:07 AM
For the record, I'm pretty sure I never wrote about Rafa-controversial-posts.
And Don't take it seriously my post, dear.
Since I saw your posts, I've decided that I shouldn't take them seriously until you get married to Nadal.
One more thing, if you mean I'm one of leeches you mentioned,
okay I'm a leech who enjoy to see all shindies and hilarious posts AND think yours are the best among them.

What, I didn't say you were a leech, or maybe I should ask where did you see that I said you where a leech. You will have to decide that one for yourself. I'm not really aware of your posts, so I couldn't tell you.

Sean.J.S.
03-10-2007, 03:44 AM
I think Rafa will get to the final and will be a close match with Federer. I really don't know which way it will go. :tape:

my0118
03-10-2007, 08:35 AM
What, I didn't say you were a leech, or maybe I should ask where did you see that I said you where a leech. You will have to decide that one for yourself. I'm not really aware of your posts, so I couldn't tell you.

oookay, maybe you mean LEECHES are the ones who side with Fedtards whom you really dislike, I just misread you.

Bilbo
03-10-2007, 08:45 AM
Some of you still think Berdych is the real deal on tour. Seeing him in the Semifinal :haha:

rubsch
03-10-2007, 08:47 AM
I agree... Youzhny is Rafa's nightmare and he is going to beat him one more time.... :)
if not... There are enough other players who will give Rafa a very hard road to the final... If he is able to manage the final he will go down agains FED!!! :cool:

Klaas_nalbandian
03-10-2007, 09:14 AM
mikhail is a safe bet I guess, but it would be nice if Nadal can show us a good play and give Fed a hard time

Rogiman
03-10-2007, 11:26 AM
Poor little piggy, Misha will roast you again :dance:

Sean.J.S.
03-10-2007, 11:34 AM
Why are you calling Nadal piggy?

DrJules
03-10-2007, 08:13 PM
Considering the courts at Indian Wells are slow-medium speed (according to Mark Petchey and Peter Fleming Sky Sports) there may not be any roasting in IW.

Andre'sNo1Fan
03-10-2007, 09:21 PM
Why are you calling Nadal piggy?
Because he hates him (knows that he can beat Federer). That is why he's obsessed with him.

Puschkin
03-10-2007, 10:10 PM
I am ready to take your laughter and even ridicule, but no bad reps please, ;): Gasquet!!

Bj÷rki
03-10-2007, 10:13 PM
Acasuco def. Youhzny 7-6, 6-4

LocoPorElTenis
03-10-2007, 10:16 PM
Acasuco def. Youhzny 7-6, 6-4

:haha:

Andre'sNo1Fan
03-10-2007, 10:21 PM
Poor little piggy, Misha will roast you again :dance:
:haha: Maybe clowns like yourself will learn you know nothing about tennis, and keep your mouth shut next time :)

Corey Feldman
03-10-2007, 10:23 PM
relieved tards celebrating Misha losing..

and so what? all this means is Chucho has woke up finally this year and will kick his arse instead

:lol:

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-11-2007, 03:28 AM
:haha:

The fedtards are such jokes.

Nadal is coming for your ballet hero.

aramis
03-11-2007, 04:49 AM
Ferrero will handle this.

Lleyton159
03-11-2007, 05:04 AM
Berdych!!!

cmurray
03-11-2007, 01:56 PM
Actually, I like Misha - I'm never pleased when he loses. :(

I wouldn't be crying if Berdych were to lose though.......

Corey Feldman
03-11-2007, 06:57 PM
:haha:

The fedtards are such jokes.

Nadal is coming for your ballet hero.Right on schedule as ever Tard..
usually after the 1st round you are saying this >>>>> by QF, SF stage you are gone with your tail between your ass when Mowgli's bean beaten

:lol:

gebl
03-11-2007, 08:08 PM
I wouldn't be crying if Berdych were to lose though.......

cmurray wont be crying, then! (Berdych has lost)

yana
03-11-2007, 08:08 PM
Berdych :devil:

cmurray
03-11-2007, 08:13 PM
cmurray wont be crying, then! (Berdych has lost)

yeah..... I'm trying to hold it together. :awww:

I may need some support......

yana
03-11-2007, 08:16 PM
So the only option to this poll is Fed. That means that Rafa will reach the final? :p

DrJules
03-11-2007, 08:25 PM
Only Federer left to stop Nadal.

DrJules
03-11-2007, 08:26 PM
So the only option to this poll is Fed. That means that Rafa will reach the final? :p

He is probably marginal favourite. Although Roddick vs. Nadal could go either way.

cmurray
03-11-2007, 08:28 PM
He is probably marginal favourite. Although Roddick vs. Nadal could go either way.

True...provided they both make it that far. It'd be nice to see Raf in a final again.

yana
03-11-2007, 08:30 PM
He is probably marginal favourite. Although Roddick vs. Nadal could go either way.

Sorry, but Roddick is not in the poll. he doesn't count. :p

tangerine_dream
03-11-2007, 08:30 PM
This thread has inadvertently cursed all the piggy roasters. :lol:

cmurray
03-11-2007, 08:32 PM
This thread has inadvertently cursed all the piggy roasters. :lol:

Does that mean Roger's gonna lose too? Because if he is, I'm going to go bet on the match. ;)

Metis
03-11-2007, 09:02 PM
This thread has inadvertently cursed all the piggy roasters. :lol:

:lol:

The Curse of the Bambino
The Hingis Curse

and now .... the Curse of the Roasted Piggy :banana:

sondraj06
03-11-2007, 09:08 PM
Hahahaahahaha.....
we need one of these threads for rafa every tourney he is in.

Fedtards- losers

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-11-2007, 10:27 PM
Poor misguided Fedtards.

Sad to see their heroes fall in rapid fire.

No one except Roddick left to protect Federer from the wrath of Nadal.

calvinhobbes
03-11-2007, 11:28 PM
Poor misguided Fedtards.

Sad to see their heroes fall in rapid fire.

No one except Roddick left to protect Federer from the wrath of Nadal.

As two of the outstanding praetorian guards of emperor Rogerius have succumbed (or sucked, in modern slang), I guess the monarch must do the dirty work by himself . . . . It has happened sometimes in the empire, since Hadrian in 2nd century.. . . .

Exodus
03-11-2007, 11:32 PM
even though the two chief roasters have fallen there are many that are eager to roast the piggy...

RonE
03-12-2007, 12:11 AM
Poor misguided Fedtards.

Sad to see their heroes fall in rapid fire.

No one except Roddick left to protect Federer from the wrath of Nadal.

Says someone who didn't have the spine to honour his bet and take defeat like a man. For everything you said about having heart and guts meaning everything you talk the talk but you sure as hell don't walk the walk.

If Rafa loses I wonder if you will have the guts to stick around or take another brief hiatus before Miami starts. I am heavily waging on the latter option :lol:

sondraj06
03-12-2007, 12:28 AM
Yeah many who want to and many will try....same sad story from those who acquire to be where rafa is. When they do it and take his spot then we'll talk.

And Ron, oh the sad ramblings of a fedtard frightened...the roasted becomes the roaster. Is that the way this story ends?

GustavoM_Fan
03-12-2007, 02:01 AM
Russell, if not Nalbandian, if not Ca˝as.... :lol:

tangerine_dream
03-12-2007, 02:30 AM
Does that mean Roger's gonna lose too? Because if he is, I'm going to go bet on the match. ;)
Um, :tape:

So, which pig roaster was this one? #4 or 5? I've lost count.

Metis
03-12-2007, 02:35 AM
:haha:

This poll has no purpose any more... :lol:

adee-gee
03-12-2007, 02:39 AM
It's ok Fedtards, now that your man is out you can put your full efforts towards the most important part of your existance - supporting whoever Nadal is playing :wavey:

Corey Feldman
03-12-2007, 04:59 AM
I dont know which was the biggest fucking curse..
Fed practising with Sampras or the 3 names to put in this poll

:help:

Jlee
03-12-2007, 05:05 AM
Does that mean Roger's gonna lose too? Because if he is, I'm going to go bet on the match. ;)

I hope you did! :lol:

my0118
03-12-2007, 05:05 AM
I dont know which was the biggest fucking curse..
Fed practising with Sampras or the 3 names to put in this poll
:help:

this one is the curse.
What a day. top half is really wide open!!

tangerine_dream
03-12-2007, 05:29 AM
Hewitt out now too :eek: Piggy roaster #5-6-I-forget down and out in Indian Wells.

March 11 is disaster day.

Deivid23
03-12-2007, 05:37 AM
Poll of the year, even a 3.6 mm brain-sized monkey would have done it better

Mimi
03-12-2007, 05:48 AM
:haha: Poll of the year, even a 3.6 mm brain-sized monkey would have done it better

Andre'sNo1Fan
03-12-2007, 09:45 AM
:haha:

Maybe you clowns will think twice before posting such crap in the future.

oz_boz
03-12-2007, 11:03 AM
I happen to like all the guys in the poll, but this is one hell of a jinx. :lol:
Rogiman, I wish I had your voodoo skills :hatoff:

tangerine_dream
03-13-2007, 01:29 AM
Pig roaster #whatever James Blake is out. So who's left now?

Great thread, btw. Threads that are jinxed are fun. :)

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 01:30 AM
Verdasco will do it tonight

DDrago2
03-13-2007, 01:37 AM
I agree that Verdasco has a shot. He's tough on his day and alredy caused troubles to favourites

Corey Feldman
03-13-2007, 01:58 AM
Poll of the year, even a 3.6 mm brain-sized monkey would have done it betterThat monkey's brain is still 3.5 mm bigger than yours burro.

Johnny Groove
03-13-2007, 02:02 AM
Verdasco will do it tonight

I agree that Verdasco has a shot. He's tough on his day and alredy caused troubles to favourites

I know you guys are :retard:s, but nando aint doin shit.

Corey Feldman
03-13-2007, 02:06 AM
Deivid's pet monkey has more of a brain on court than Verdasco...
i actually wouldnt mind a Rafa v Roddick SF, i think it'll happen

one bunch of tards will be gaurenteed pain :devil:

Johnny Groove
03-13-2007, 02:09 AM
Deivid's pet monkey has more of a brain on court than Verdasco...
i actually wouldnt mind a Rafa v Roddick SF, i think it'll happen

one bunch of tards will be gaurenteed pain :devil:

on the flip side, one will have their fave in the final :banana:

oz_boz
03-13-2007, 10:43 AM
Only Gonzo left now.

Nadal-Roddick SF seems very likely. :D

Blue Heart24
03-13-2007, 01:08 PM
Mike Russell will take him out

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 10:52 PM
Ferrero will do it today

rofe
03-13-2007, 11:52 PM
Ferrero will do it today

:lol:

RickDaStick
03-13-2007, 11:53 PM
Cheating Chela will do it next match.

gebl
03-14-2007, 12:13 AM
Ferrero will do it today

:haha: :haha: :haha:

sondraj06
03-14-2007, 12:28 AM
Cheating Chela will do it next match.

OOh keep making predictions seeing as how your so good at it

RickDaStick
03-14-2007, 12:30 AM
OOh keep making predictions seeing as how your so good at it

Im doing my best Loremaster impression. Bound to be right eventually.

Johnny Groove
03-14-2007, 12:32 AM
Im doing my best Loremaster impression. Bound to be right eventually.

:spit: the problem with that logic is that doing a Loremaster impression will NEVER yield correct results :lol:

gebl
03-14-2007, 12:46 AM
IvanLjubicic is now as disastrous a prediction jinx as Rogiman

Loremaster
03-14-2007, 07:32 AM
Yeah IvanLjubicic you should work on reading cos you obuiously dont get simple facts I've made 8 predictions abou bald no1 and the best big stage player and 4 of them were correct so you are nowhere near in%. And I hope you will hide when my favourite will kick "big bald head no heart" ass for 7th time

Xristos
03-14-2007, 07:33 AM
Loremaster do you have the pics yet?

Hola Mr. SK
03-15-2007, 05:22 AM
Fena, the last man who holds possitive H2H against Rafa turned down to ash today!! This thread is still in power :rocker2: oh,wait...even King Carlos who got 2 roastin' records didn't escape today. :awww:
So, no one of the last 8 keeps possitive H2H against Rafa and none of them has beaten Rafa twice! Brilliant work! :haha:

rafagirlno1
03-15-2007, 04:24 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: where is tht idiot rogifan who created such a wonderful thread about beating rafa when his man got roasted even before the tournament begin :sad:
i think it feel a bit embarrassed to show up after making such a prediction about someone else when ur own person gets a ass whopping :o

FluffyYellowBall
03-15-2007, 04:27 PM
Yeah IvanLjubicic you should work on reading cos you obuiously dont get simple facts I've made 8 predictions abou bald no1 and the best big stage player and 4 of them were correct so you are nowhere near in%. And I hope you will hide when my favourite will kick "big bald head no heart" ass for 7th time

Even on his "favorite indoor hard courts" Oh it was the crowd that helped rafa win, i remember

FluffyYellowBall
03-15-2007, 04:29 PM
IvanLjubicic=Mr I Know Everything About Tennis (but i dont rlly know anything besides king loob)

Apemant
03-15-2007, 04:53 PM
i think it feel a bit embarrassed to show up after making such a prediction about someone else when ur own person gets a ass whopping :o

It happens to everyone (except me, since I never make any predictions. I'm a firm believer in the theory of chaos so that just doesn't get along with predicting anything).

For example, it happened to you in Dubai, when you said not only that Nadal will win it, but also not even losing a set. And then didn't understand why I thought it was rather funny.

So, if you want to know EXACTLY HOW Rogiman feels, try this: remember how you felt that time when Rafa lost to Misha. Read my words... your eyes are closing. Time is flowing back... days, weeks... it's Thursday afternoon now, 1st of March, about 6:30 PM Mean Greenwich Time. Through the mist, you see Nadal on the court...looks sexy as always... OMG he just saved the 7th MP of Youzhny with an amazing passing shot picked up 2 milimeters above the ground, and some ten yards behind the baseline :eek: :eek: - you feel that Rafa is not done yet... will Misha just crack after so many wasted MPs? It's not like he never did that... and Rafa is a fighter... you still hope he will pull a win after all. But then, just a minute later, its OVER!! Arggh, shit, how is this possible, why, it can't be... you are going berzerk, you want to reload your previously saved position and replay this part... but damn, this is not a computer game, it's reality... then, after you chill down for a few minutes, you log on to MTF... you know all the Rafa haters will gloat their asses off and you don't actually want to read all that stuff but something just doesn't let you go, and you must open those threads... and look, those bastards really don't hold themselves back, it's disgusting, see what nasty things they say about your Rafa, you wish they all die and go to hell... (I'm losing inspiration here already) ...
- THAT's how he feels. Now you know. :devil:

Apemant
03-15-2007, 04:58 PM
Even on his "favorite indoor hard courts" Oh it was the crowd that helped rafa win, i remember

Look, I know you say this only to rile up IL here, but still...

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=17131

Q. What was the key point to change the match?

RAFAEL NADAL: The public's support, the crowd. Elsewhere in the world, it would have been impossible to defeat Ljubicic. Thanks to them, I won this final. Now I want to believe in myself a little more also.


So, Rafael Nadal himself knows it wouldn't be possible without the crowd, but YOU know better. Rafa is an idiot then I guess? Or a PR expert, and a lying bastard? He actually thought Ljubo had no chance but said the above obvious bullshit only to gain sympathy from people?

Sheesh.

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 05:56 PM
Look, I know you say this only to rile up IL here, but still...

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=17131

Q. What was the key point to change the match?

RAFAEL NADAL: The public's support, the crowd. Elsewhere in the world, it would have been impossible to defeat Ljubicic. Thanks to them, I won this final. Now I want to believe in myself a little more also.


So, Rafael Nadal himself knows it wouldn't be possible without the crowd, but YOU know better. Rafa is an idiot then I guess? Or a PR expert, and a lying bastard? He actually thought Ljubo had no chance but said the above obvious bullshit only to gain sympathy from people?

Sheesh.

I'll go with this one-bold- he's just charming as hell and knows how to please a crowd

FluffyYellowBall
03-15-2007, 06:14 PM
I'll go with this one-bold- he's just charming as hell and knows how to please a crowd

thats true but i he couldve/woulve still done if it wasnt in spain. Its one of those comments like "my opponent deserved to win because he playED A greadt match"
:rolleyes:

Apemant
03-15-2007, 06:44 PM
I'll go with this one-bold- he's just charming as hell and knows how to please a crowd

thats true but i he couldve/woulve still done if it wasnt in spain. Its one of those comments like "my opponent deserved to win because he playED A greadt match"
:rolleyes:

Yada yada yada, just answer the simple question: did home crowd help Rafa in that match, or did it not? It's a simple yes/no question.

FluffyYellowBall mentioned that help in a sarcastic way, so I guess the answer would be 'no', but I'd like to see it black on white, for future reference. :devil:

Loremaster
03-15-2007, 06:54 PM
Yada yada yada, just answer the simple question: did home crowd help Rafa in that match, or did it not? It's a simple yes/no question.

FluffyYellowBall mentioned that help in a sarcastic way, so I guess the answer would be 'no', but I'd like to see it black on white, for future reference. :devil:

it is obvious that Crowd helped Rafa but it didn't matter because if it wasn't held in his country he wouldn't showd up being injured , he just showed how big his heart is raising his level etc, he was just better player at the end of the match

ExcaliburII
03-15-2007, 07:14 PM
Chela.

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 07:20 PM
Yada yada yada, just answer the simple question: did home crowd help Rafa in that match, or did it not? It's a simple yes/no question.

FluffyYellowBall mentioned that help in a sarcastic way, so I guess the answer would be 'no', but I'd like to see it black on white, for future reference. :devil:

What is your deal, of course the crowd helped him. the same way any crowd helps any tennis player. Or a crowd helps their basketball team win by waving little white fluffy foam things to distract the other team when making free throws. What's your point, Rafa obviously won, is the crowd all of a sudden a way to cheat?

Apemant
03-15-2007, 07:30 PM
it is obvious that Crowd helped Rafa but it didn't matter because if it wasn't held in his country he wouldn't showd up being injured , he just showed how big his heart is raising his level etc, he was just better player at the end of the match

What does it mean, that he was the better player in the match?

If you define 'the better player' as 'the one who wins' then of course. It's a tautology then (if you know what that is?). Then you can easily say that the better player on any given day ALWAYS wins.

But, in my vocabulary, it definitely is not the case. The better player on the day most certainly doesn't ALWAYS win. Because every competitive sport contains the element of chance - and a lot of other weird factors, but the chance itself is enough to maintain that it is quite possible to play 'better' - but still lose.

So what does all of this mean? That I think Nadal didn't deserve to win? Most certainly that is not what I'm saying: because Nadal won it fair and square, within the rules of the game. It is not forbidden to win a match using positive vibrations from the crowd who cheers for you, while it distracts your opponent whistling between serves and whatnot. I personaly find it distasteful, but it's neither Nadal's fault nor it is relevant. Many sports are subject to things like that, tennis is actually remarkable free of that most of the time.

No, it's the other thing that really pisses me off in this situation. Here we have a match which ended 7-5 in the tiebreaker of the 5th set. It was about as friggin' close as it can get, and if anyone can conclude ANYTHING from that match, it's that their level was about the same in that match. But what are people here doing? Counting that win as an argument that Ljubo is Nadal's bitch? Ok, you withdrew that comment which is nice from you, but people generally use that match as a proof that Ljubo 'can't even beat Nadal on his favourite surface'. That's pure BS, as that match certainly does not prove anything similar. A couple of balls here and there and it could have been a straight setter for Ljubo. It wasn't meant to be, but to say he just CAN'T beat him on HC - based on that match - is a complete and utter nonsense.

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 07:34 PM
What does it mean, that he was the better player in the match?

If you define 'the better player' as 'the one who wins' then of course. It's a tautology then (if you know what that is?). Then you can easily say that the better player on any given day ALWAYS wins.

But, in my vocabulary, it definitely is not the case. The better player on the day most certainly doesn't ALWAYS win. Because every competitive sport contains the element of chance - and a lot of other weird factors, but the chance itself is enough to maintain that it is quite possible to play 'better' - but still lose.

So what does all of this mean? That I think Nadal didn't deserve to win? Most certainly that is not what I'm saying: because Nadal won it fair and square, within the rules of the game. It is not forbidden to win a match using positive vibrations from the crowd who cheers for you, while it distracts your opponent whistling between serves and whatnot. I personaly find it distasteful, but it's neither Nadal's fault nor it is relevant. Many sports are subject to things like that, tennis is actually remarkable free of that most of the time.

No, it's the other thing that really pisses me off in this situation. Here we have a match which ended 7-5 in the tiebreaker of the 5th set. It was about as friggin' close as it can get, and if anyone can conclude ANYTHING from that match, it's that their level was about the same in that match. But what are people here doing? Counting that win as an argument that Ljubo is Nadal's bitch? Ok, you withdrew that comment which is nice from you, but people generally use that match as a proof that Ljubo 'can't even beat Nadal on his favourite surface'. That's pure BS, as that match certainly does not prove anything similar. A couple of balls here and there and it could have been a straight setter for Ljubo. It wasn't meant to be, but to say he just CAN'T beat him on HC - based on that match - is a complete and utter nonsense.

well I don't know who called ljubo nadal's bitch and I won't go back and read. But I don't know why people are acting like it's some big thing that nadal beat some one in the 5th (if that's what happen) like it's some huge surprise, he usaully wins in the 5th. His mental strenght is what gets him through matches where his opponent might have possibly outplayed him. And this is news to who?

Apemant
03-15-2007, 07:37 PM
What is your deal, of course the crowd helped him. the same way any crowd helps any tennis player. Or a crowd helps their basketball team win by waving little white fluffy foam things to distract the other team when making free throws.


Don't remind me of that, any time I see it I want to smash my TV to little pieces. Distasteful, disgusting, total disgrace to the sports in the Ancient Greek's (Olympic) sense of the word.
Sports should be about giving your best, not seeking ways to stop your opponent of doing his best (except of course, when it's part of the game itself; but waving those things is definitely not a part of the game of basketball)


What's your point, Rafa obviously won, is the crowd all of a sudden a way to cheat?

Read my answer to Loremaster.

sondraj06
03-15-2007, 07:38 PM
Don't remind me of that, any time I see it I want to smash my TV to little pieces. Distasteful, disgusting, total disgrace to the sports in the Ancient Greek's (Olympic) sense of the word.
Sports should be about giving your best, not seeking ways to stop your opponent of doing his best (except of course, when it's part of the game itself; but waving those things is definitely not a part of the game of basketball)




Read my answer to Loremaster.

I did, it answered my question :cool: but with basketball and the little fluffy things, I thinks it's completely fair. That is the way Pro b-ball is played. If a player can't handle a crowd watching them play and the distractions that go along with it, then they don't need to play in front of a crowd.

Now that being said, I did grow up watching those sports and not tennis, so I think I'm a little more inclined to the way the game is played with those particular sports. Hence why I don't get a lot of the uproar about a lot of things some consider changing about tennis. For instance when people get all upset with the crowd getting behind their fav player and people calling it disrespectful.

I understand that that is the way tennis has been set up to be played, and other sports were not. So if some one can't cut it with the distractions then they don't need to be playing those sports. The same that I now understand that tennis was set up to eliminate those distractions for their players, it's just the way the different sports are played. I can honestly say that I respect the mind of a b-balling maybe a little more because you do have to work through those obstacles where in tennis it seems the biggest obstacle a lot of times are themselves.

Apemant
03-15-2007, 08:17 PM
I did, it answered my question :cool: but with basketball and the little fluffy things, I thinks it's completely fair. That is the way Pro b-ball is played. If a player can't handle a crowd watching them play and the distractions that go along with it, then they don't need to play in front of a crowd.

Disagreed. Those fluffy things cross the line in my, not so humble, opinion. You could as well claim that they should play while someone sprays water on them (or throws rotten tomatoes on them :devil: ) as means of distraction, and that they, as pros, should be able to deal with it, or quit playing.

Waving those things isn't something human brain can just disregard, unlike the sound. For example most people can fall asleep in a train, with quite a lot of noise from the engine, the wind and the rails (and even the whistle). We are simply naturally capable of ignoring some sorts of sounds. But sleeping while the sun shines directly in your face is alot harder. Visible distractions are far worse than audible ones (unless the sound is really loud, sharp and sudden, like a scream or gun shot or such)

But all this is less important than the very psychology of such behaviour. Here we have a bunch of jackasses who don't content with cheering for their teams and being happy if they win or sad if they lose, but actively seek ways to disrupt the game of the opposing team. It's just a total disgrace to the spirit of competing. That's one thing I always liked about tennis: when the point begins, the crowd is supposed to keep their mouths shut and stay still.