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`LOSING streaks in FINALS [Kiefer(10), Monfils (6)]..*JCF breaks duck.!

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 04:16 AM
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I decided to dedicate this thread more generally to losing streaks in finals.

Kiefer`s losing streak in finals = 10
Moscow (2001)
Halle (2002)
Halle (2003)
Memphis (2004)
Scottsdale (2004)
Indianapolis (2004)
Los Angeles (2004)
Moscow (2005)
St. Petersburg (2005)
AMS Canada(2008)


JCF`s losing streak in finals = 6
February 2004 Rotterdam, Netherlands Hard (i) Lleyton Hewitt 6–7, 7–5, 6–4
April 2005 Barcelona, Spain Clay Rafael Nadal 6–1, 7–6, 6–3
October 2005 Vienna, Austria Hard (i) Ivan Ljubičić 6–2, 6–4, 7–6
August 2006 Cincinnati, U.S. Hard Andy Roddick 6–3, 6–4
February 2007 Costa Do Sauipe, Brazil Clay Guillermo Cañas 7–6, 6–2
January 2008 Auckland, New Zealand Hard Philipp Kohlschreiber 7–6(4), 7–5

TennisGrandSlam
02-07-2007, 04:25 AM
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Wondering if anybody knows who has lost the most Slam Finals on the trot:confused:.
[ie. without going on to win one again, assuming they one atleast one slam in their career ~so pure bridesmaids don`t count];)



Roddick: 2004 Wimby, 2005 Wimby, 2006 USO = 3
Chang: 1995 FO, 1996 AO, 1996 USO = 3

Hewitt: 2004 USO, 2005 AO = 2 :sad:
Rafter: 2000 Wimby, 2001 Wimby = 2 :sad:
Stich: 1994 USO, 1996 FO = 2
Courier: 1993 FO, 1993 Wimby = 2
Borg: 1981 Wimby, 1981 USO = 2

PS. In Women`s tennis I`m pretty sure that Hingis has the record~ of course she can correct that if she ever wins another Slam again:

Hingis: 1999 FO, 1999 USO, 2000 AO, 2001 AO, 2002 AO = 5 :sad:



WTA : Arantxa Sánchez Vicario (5 losing streak in GS Finals)

1995 Australian Open lost to Mary Pierce 6-3, 6-2
1995 French Open lost to Steffi Graf 7-5, 4-6, 6-0
1995 Wimbledon lost to Steffi Graf 4-6, 6-1, 7-5
1996 French Open lost to Steffi Graf 6-3, 6-7, 10-8
1996 Wimbledon lost to Steffi Graf 6-3, 7-5

then recapture GS in 1998 French Open

MisterQ
02-07-2007, 04:26 AM
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Wondering if anybody knows who has lost the most Slam Finals on the trot:confused:.
[ie. without going on to win one again, assuming they one atleast one slam in their career ~so pure bridesmaids don`t count];)



Roddick: 2004 Wimby, 2005 Wimby, 2006 USO = 3
Chang: 1995 FO, 1996 AO, 1996 USO = 3

Hewitt: 2004 USO, 2005 AO = 2 :sad:
Rafter: 2000 Wimby, 2001 Wimby = 2 :sad:
Stich: 1994 USO, 1996 FO = 2
Courier: 1993 FO, 1993 Wimby = 2
Borg: 1981 Wimby, 1981 USO = 2

PS. In Women`s tennis I`m pretty sure that Hingis has the record~ of course she can correct that if she ever wins another Slam again:

Hingis: 1999 FO, 1999 USO, 2000 AO, 2001 AO, 2002 AO = 5 :sad:

a few more...

Davenport: Wimby2000, USO2000, AO2005, Wimby2005 = 4 :(
Rosewall: Wimby1974, USO 1974 = 2

TennisGrandSlam
02-07-2007, 04:28 AM
Lindsay Davenport (4 losing streak in GS Finals)


2000 Wimbledon lost to Venus Williams 6-3, 7-6
2000 U.S. Open lost to Venus Williams 6-4, 7-5
2005 Australian Open lost to Serena Williams 2-6, 6-3, 6-0
2005 Wimbledon lost to Venus Williams 4-6, 7-6, 9-7

MisterQ
02-07-2007, 04:29 AM
WTA : Arantxa Sánchez Vicario (5 losing streak in GS Finals)

1995 Australian Open lost to Mary Pierce 6-3, 6-2
1995 French Open lost to Steffi Graf 7-5, 4-6, 6-0
1995 Wimbledon lost to Steffi Graf 4-6, 6-1, 7-5
1996 French Open lost to Steffi Graf 6-3, 6-7, 10-8
1996 Wimbledon lost to Steffi Graf 6-3, 7-5

then recapture GS in 1998 French Open

I think CmonAussie was focusing on players who never managed to win another one. :) But if you are just looking at streaks, then Venus Williams also had five final losses in a row.

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 04:34 AM
I think CmonAussie was focusing on players who never managed to win another one. :) But if you are just looking at streaks, then Venus Williams also had five final losses in a row.

:wavey:
Yeah exactly MisterQ:cool:
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Less interested in streaks & more interested in which players had the most disappointing/ heartbreaking losses before they retired;)

Obviously players like Roddick & Hewitt are still playing [also Hingis] & they may be able to recapture former glory by possibly winning onother Slam before they call it a day..
However as time passes obviously the chances of winning another Slam diminish & the memories of their Slam glories seem like a distant memory:sad:


Do you think Roddick, Hewitt or Hingis can break their current run of losing Slam Finals:confused: :confused:

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 04:36 AM
Lindsay Davenport (4 losing streak in GS Finals)


2000 Wimbledon lost to Venus Williams 6-3, 7-6
2000 U.S. Open lost to Venus Williams 6-4, 7-5
2005 Australian Open lost to Serena Williams 2-6, 6-3, 6-0
2005 Wimbledon lost to Venus Williams 4-6, 7-6, 9-7


:wavey:
Davenport really was a good chance to win all of those, esp the last two where she led by a set & a break:eek:

The common denominator with those losses was WILLIAMS!!!
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I guess she`ll have a few regrets now, since she`s unofficially going into retirement:sad:

TennisGrandSlam
02-07-2007, 04:36 AM
I think CmonAussie was focusing on players who never managed to win another one. :) But if you are just looking at streaks, then Venus Williams also had five final losses in a row.

Michael Stich : 2

After winning Wimbledon 1991

then lossing both US Open 1994 and French Open 1996


Aslo, Partick Rafter : 2

After winning both US Open 1997 and 1998

then lossing both Wimbledon 2000 and 2001

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 04:38 AM
Michael Stich : 2

After winning Wimbledon 1991

then lossing both US Open 1994 and French Open 1996


;) :cool: ~ I already included Stich on the list..

artlinkletter
02-07-2007, 04:56 AM
Lendl at the US Open

'82: F Connors, Jimmy (USA) N/A 3-6 2-6 6-4 4-6
'83: F Connors, Jimmy (USA) N/A 3-6 7-6 5-7 0-6
'84: F McEnroe, John (USA) N/A 3-6 4-6 1-6

'85-'87: Went on to win it three straight years and then...

'88: F Wilander, Mats (SWE) 2 4-6 6-4 3-6 7-5 4-6
'89: F Becker, Boris (GER) 2 6-7 6-1 3-6 6-7

Allez
02-07-2007, 04:57 AM
Do you think Roddick, Hewitt or Hingis can break their current run of losing Slam Finals:confused: :confused:
No. Not Martina & Lleyton. They'd have to get to a GS first and they haven't shown any indication that they are ready to do so. Roddick will win another Slam though. He's still only 24 ;)

Also how about Agassi ? Did he not lose a number of times to the nearly GOAT Sampras in the 90's? I know he lost when he should have won the 2002 US Open :sad: That was heartbreaking. Physically he was superior, but mentally Sampras had the edge :sad:

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 05:07 AM
Lendl at the US Open

'82: F Connors, Jimmy (USA) N/A 3-6 2-6 6-4 4-6
'83: F Connors, Jimmy (USA) N/A 3-6 7-6 5-7 0-6
'84: F McEnroe, John (USA) N/A 3-6 4-6 1-6

'85-'87: Went on to win it three straight years and then...

'88: F Wilander, Mats (SWE) 2 4-6 6-4 3-6 7-5 4-6
'89: F Becker, Boris (GER) 2 6-7 6-1 3-6 6-7


:wavey: :cool:
Lendl doesn`t quite qualify because he did go on to win the Aussie Open in 89 & 90;)
...
However thanks for the post:) .. Yeah Lendl`s record at the USO was truly phenomenal~~> being in the final there 8-successive years is just insane:worship:
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Pity for Ivan that he lost 5 / 8 finals however.. And apart from the 1984 final all the others were really close~> esp 88 & 89 were absolute corkers:cool:

artlinkletter
02-07-2007, 05:10 AM
Whoops. Sorry, I did it by event rather than time frame. But I think Lendl surely has the most loses in GS Finals.

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 05:12 AM
No. Not Martina & Lleyton. They'd have to get to a GS first and they haven't shown any indication that they are ready to do so. Roddick will win another Slam though. He's still only 24 ;)

Also how about Agassi ? Did he not lose a number of times to the nearly GOAT Sampras in the 90's? I know he lost when he should have won the 2002 US Open :sad: That was heartbreaking. Physically he was superior, but mentally Sampras had the edge :sad:

:wavey:
Agassi lost his first 3-Slam finals:sad:
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1990 FO
1990 USO
1991 FO
....
Imagine how much more formidable his record would look if he had won some of them;)
Also playing Sampras in 5-Slam finals is pretty tough, plus playing Rafter at the Wimby SFs three years in succession [1999-2001]:devil:
...
Some people reckon Agassi was lucky to win 8-Slams, however he reached more Slam Finals, Semi-Finals & QFs than any other player in the history of the game:worship:
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With a bit more luck [draws etc.] &/or playing in another era Andre would have won 12-15 Slams;)

Action Jackson
02-07-2007, 05:15 AM
With a bit more luck [draws etc.] &/or playing in another era Andre would have won 12-15 Slams;)

Do you deliberately go out of the way to make outlandish claims. The guy had 20 years of easy draws at RG, is that not enough fortune.

Slam finals count and he didn't make 19 of them did he? But you are becoming more an Agassi fanboy with time.

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 05:23 AM
Whoops. Sorry, I did it by event rather than time frame. But I think Lendl surely has the most loses in GS Finals.

:wavey:
Yes that`s right~ Lendl lost the most Slam Finals... 11-total & multiple times at each Slam:eek: .. Nobody else comes even close to matching Ivan`s record of close calls in slams [other than Evonne Goolagong for the women~ she won 7-Slams & lost 11-Finals]:eek:

TennisGrandSlam
02-07-2007, 05:34 AM
:wavey:
Yes that`s right~ Lendl lost the most Slam Finals... 11-total & multiple times at each Slam:eek: .. Nobody else comes even close to matching Ivan`s record of close calls in slams [other than Evonne Goolagong for the women~ she won 7-Slams & lost 11-Finals]:eek:

Lendl lost all GS finals at least twice :eek:

AO 1983 1991
RG 1981 1985
WM 1986, 1987
USO 1982, 1983, 1984, 1988, 1989 :rolleyes:


Goolagong lost all USO :devil:

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 05:35 AM
Do you deliberately go out of the way to make outlandish claims. The guy had 20 years of easy draws at RG, is that not enough fortune.

Slam finals count and he didn't make 19 of them did he? But you are becoming more an Agassi fanboy with time.

Tournament Career Win-Loss Career SR 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
Australian Open 48-5 4 / 9 NH A A A A A A A A W SF A 4R 4R W W A W SF QF A
French Open 51-16 1 / 17 A 2R SF 3R F F SF A 2R QF 2R A 1R W 2R QF QF QF 1R 1R A
Wimbledon 46-13 1 / 14 A 1R A A A QF W QF 4R SF 1R A 2R F SF SF 2R 4R A A 3R
U.S. Open 79-19 2 / 21 1R 1R SF SF F 1R QF 1R W F SF 4R 4R W 2R QF F SF QF F 3R

:wavey:
Check it out GW mate:cool:

Agassi~ 36 appearances in Slam QFs++:worship:


By comparison

Federer~ 15 appearances in Slam QFs++

Action Jackson
02-07-2007, 05:38 AM
Agassi~ 36 appearances in Slam QFs++:worship:

By comparison

Federer~ 15 appearances in Slam QFs++[/B]

Federer has won more Slams, that's all I need to know. Changes nothing about your outlandish claim about Agassi lucking luck.

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 05:41 AM
Lendl lost all GS finals at least twice :eek:

AO 1983 1991
RG 1981 1985
WM 1986, 1987
USO 1982, 1983, 1984, 1988, 1989 :rolleyes:


Goolagong lost all USO :devil:

:wavey:
Thanks TennisGrandSlam:cool:
Your always very generous helping out with stats;)

Here`s the wrap on Lendl & Goolagon:eek:

Anyway here`s the question: WAS LENDL A CHOKER Also WHERE DOES HE RANK among the list of ALL TIME GREATS

Wins (8)
1984 French Open John McEnroe 3-6, 2-6, 6-4, 7-5, 7-5
1985 U.S. Open John McEnroe 7-6, 6-3, 6-4
1986 French Open (2) Mikael Pernfors 6-3, 6-2, 6-4
1986 U.S. Open (2) Miloslav Mečíř 6-4, 6-2, 6-0
1987 French Open (3) Mats Wilander 7-5, 6-2, 3-6, 7-6
1987 U.S. Open (3) Mats Wilander 6-7, 6-0, 7-6, 6-4
1989 Australian Open Miloslav Mečíř 6-2, 6-2, 6-2
1990 Australian Open (2) Stefan Edberg 4-6, 7-6, 5-2 (retired)

Runner-ups (11)
1981 French Open Björn Borg 6-1, 4-6, 6-2, 3-6, 6-2
1982 U.S. Open Jimmy Connors 6-3, 6-2, 4-6, 6-4
1983 Australian Open Mats Wilander 6-1, 6-4, 6-4
1983 U.S. Open Jimmy Connors 6-3, 6-7, 7-5, 6-0
1984 U.S. Open John McEnroe 6-3, 6-4, 6-1
1985 French Open Mats Wilander 3-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
1986 Wimbledon Boris Becker 6-4, 6-3, 7-5
1987 Wimbledon Pat Cash 7-6, 6-2, 7-5
1988 U.S. Open Mats Wilander 6-4, 4-6, 6-3, 5-7, 6-4
1989 U.S. Open Boris Becker 7-6, 1-6, 6-3, 7-6
1991 Australian Open Boris Becker 1-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4


It seems Evonne Goolagong was the female equivalent of Lendl--> she played in 18-Slam finals but only won 7-Slams & she lost nearly all of the close battles><...

Slam wins = 7
1971 French Open Helen Gourlay Cawley 6-3, 7-5
1971 Wimbledon Margaret Smith Court 6-4, 6-1
1974 Australian Open Chris Evert 7-6, 4-6, 6-0
1975 Australian Open (2) Martina Navrátilová 6-3, 6-2
1976 Australian Open (3) Renáta Tomanová 6-2, 6-2
1977 Australian Open (December) (4) Helen Gourlay Cawley 6-3, 6-0
1980 Wimbledon (2) Chris Evert 6-1, 7-6

Runner-ups = 11
1971 Australian Open Margaret Smith Court 2-6, 7-6, 7-5
1972 Australian Open Virginia Wade 6-4, 6-4
1972 French Open Billie Jean King 6-3, 6-3
1972 Wimbledon Billie Jean King 6-3, 6-3
1973 Australian Open Margaret Smith Court 6-4, 7-5
1973 U.S. Open Margaret Smith Court 7-6, 5-7, 6-2
1974 U.S. Open Billie Jean King 3-6, 6-3, 7-5
1975 Wimbledon Billie Jean King 6-0, 6-1
1975 U.S. Open Chris Evert 5-7, 6-4, 6-2
1976 Wimbledon Chris Evert 6-3, 4-6, 8-6
1976 U.S. Open Chris Evert 6-3, 6-0

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 05:44 AM
Federer has won more Slams, that's all I need to know. Changes nothing about your outlandish claim about Agassi lucking luck.

:confused:
So Agassi was lucky to reach Slam finals on all surfaces 36-times:confused: :confused:
...
Sounds like Andre had 4-times the amount of luck than cats [with 9-lives]:eek: :p

Action Jackson
02-07-2007, 05:48 AM
:confused:
So Agassi was lucky to reach Slam finals on all surfaces 36-times:confused: :confused:
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Sounds like Andre had 4-times the amount of luck than cats [with 9-lives]:eek: :p

How can you be confused? You go on as if Agassi was unlucky. You don't know how insulting that is actually. He won what he deserved to win.

Winning Slams is what counts. His runs at RG were fortunate, but he was good enough to take advantage of it.

Did he make 19 Slam finals like Lendl for example and apart from Cash, he didn't lose to knuckleheads and Cash on grass was inspired, no he didn't. But you are so far up Agassi's arse it's not funny.

World Beater
02-07-2007, 05:53 AM
Do you deliberately go out of the way to make outlandish claims. The guy had 20 years of easy draws at RG, is that not enough fortune.
Slam finals count and he didn't make 19 of them did he? But you are becoming more an Agassi fanboy with time.

dlol

:haha:

you sound like gasp...*a fedtard* complaining about nadal's draws.

bitter? because he bit$hslapped your boy medvedev at RG.

i guess you know whats its like to be a duck fan;) :p

man...and to think fedtards have been complaining for a whole 2 years of lucky draws...you are the audacious one...20 years ...roflmao

Action Jackson
02-07-2007, 06:10 AM
dlol

:haha:

you sound like gasp...*a fedtard* complaining about nadal's draws.

bitter? because he bit$hslapped your boy medvedev at RG.

i guess you know whats its like to be a duck fan;) :p

man...and to think fedtards have been complaining for a whole 2 years of lucky draws...you are the audacious one...20 years ...roflmao

How do you bitchslap someone over 5 sets? Medvedev wasn't a fave of mine. Here is the difference. I never have said Agassi didn't deserve it, fact is you win a Slam, you deserve it. Even you can work that out.

This is already been done before. If you want to counter it, then be my guest and Agassi's RG draws have been analysed to death, if you want to go the thread, then let me know and I will find it for you.

World Beater
02-07-2007, 06:16 AM
How do you bitchslap someone over 5 sets? Medvedev wasn't a fave of mine. Here is the difference. I never have said Agassi didn't deserve it, fact is you win a Slam, you deserve it. Even you can work that out.

This is already been done before. If you want to counter it, then be my guest and Agassi's RG draws have been analysed to death, if you want to go the thread, then let me know and I will find it for you.

relax...i was just having fun with you;) :)

one thing is for sure...you would have preferred for andrei, not andre to win.

serious question : do you think nadal's draws have been easy on fast courts the way andre's were on clay?

a brief answer is sufficient since i dont want to derail this thread any further

TennisGrandSlam
02-07-2007, 06:19 AM
:wavey:
Thanks TennisGrandSlam:cool:
Your always very generous helping out with stats;)

Here`s the wrap on Lendl & Goolagon:eek:

Anyway here`s the question: WAS LENDL A CHOKER Also WHERE DOES HE RANK among the list of ALL TIME GREATS

Wins (8)
1984 French Open John McEnroe 3-6, 2-6, 6-4, 7-5, 7-5
1985 U.S. Open John McEnroe 7-6, 6-3, 6-4
1986 French Open (2) Mikael Pernfors 6-3, 6-2, 6-4
1986 U.S. Open (2) Miloslav Mečíř 6-4, 6-2, 6-0
1987 French Open (3) Mats Wilander 7-5, 6-2, 3-6, 7-6
1987 U.S. Open (3) Mats Wilander 6-7, 6-0, 7-6, 6-4
1989 Australian Open Miloslav Mečíř 6-2, 6-2, 6-2
1990 Australian Open (2) Stefan Edberg 4-6, 7-6, 5-2 (retired)

Runner-ups (11)
1981 French Open Björn Borg 6-1, 4-6, 6-2, 3-6, 6-2
1982 U.S. Open Jimmy Connors 6-3, 6-2, 4-6, 6-4
1983 Australian Open Mats Wilander 6-1, 6-4, 6-4
1983 U.S. Open Jimmy Connors 6-3, 6-7, 7-5, 6-0
1984 U.S. Open John McEnroe 6-3, 6-4, 6-1
1985 French Open Mats Wilander 3-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
1986 Wimbledon Boris Becker 6-4, 6-3, 7-5
1987 Wimbledon Pat Cash 7-6, 6-2, 7-5
1988 U.S. Open Mats Wilander 6-4, 4-6, 6-3, 5-7, 6-4
1989 U.S. Open Boris Becker 7-6, 1-6, 6-3, 7-6
1991 Australian Open Boris Becker 1-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4


It seems Evonne Goolagong was the female equivalent of Lendl--> she played in 18-Slam finals but only won 7-Slams & she lost nearly all of the close battles><...

Slam wins = 7
1971 French Open Helen Gourlay Cawley 6-3, 7-5
1971 Wimbledon Margaret Smith Court 6-4, 6-1
1974 Australian Open Chris Evert 7-6, 4-6, 6-0
1975 Australian Open (2) Martina Navrátilová 6-3, 6-2
1976 Australian Open (3) Renáta Tomanová 6-2, 6-2
1977 Australian Open (December) (4) Helen Gourlay Cawley 6-3, 6-0
1980 Wimbledon (2) Chris Evert 6-1, 7-6

Runner-ups = 11
1971 Australian Open Margaret Smith Court 2-6, 7-6, 7-5
1972 Australian Open Virginia Wade 6-4, 6-4
1972 French Open Billie Jean King 6-3, 6-3
1972 Wimbledon Billie Jean King 6-3, 6-3
1973 Australian Open Margaret Smith Court 6-4, 7-5
1973 U.S. Open Margaret Smith Court 7-6, 5-7, 6-2
1974 U.S. Open Billie Jean King 3-6, 6-3, 7-5
1975 Wimbledon Billie Jean King 6-0, 6-1
1975 U.S. Open Chris Evert 5-7, 6-4, 6-2
1976 Wimbledon Chris Evert 6-3, 4-6, 8-6
1976 U.S. Open Chris Evert 6-3, 6-0



Lendl lost to both Becker and Wilander three times in 3 different Slam finals in 3 different years! :rolleyes:


to Becker :devil:

1986 Wimbledon
1989 US Open
1991 Australian Open


to Wilander :o

1983 Australian Open
1985 Roland Garros
1988 US Open

Action Jackson
02-07-2007, 06:23 AM
relax...i was just having fun with you;) :)

one thing is for sure...you would have preferred for andrei, not andre to win.

serious question : do you think nadal's draws have been easy on fast courts the way andre's were on clay?

a brief answer is sufficient since i dont want to derail this thread any further

Of course, it's all good for the game.

To answer your question. Well Rafa got a great one at 06 Wimbledon, this can't be denied. On the whole, no he hasn't at the moment.

Yes, Rafa was good enough to beat and play Federer in hardcourt finals, something his baldness didn't do against the best clay players of his generation. I mean between 91-98 he was nowhere on clay and after 99 he was the same.

World Beater
02-07-2007, 06:28 AM
Of course, it's all good for the game.

To answer your question. Well Rafa got a great one at 06 Wimbledon, this can't be denied. On the whole, no he hasn't at the moment.

Yes, Rafa was good enough to beat and play Federer in hardcourt finals, something his baldness didn't do against the best clay players of his generation. I mean between 91-98 he was nowhere on clay and after 99 he was the same.

huh? dubai was the only one i think. federer isnt the only top player on hardcourts. madrid and canada were won without playing federer or any other top hardcourter. and while you are right agassi didnt play the tops sergei, or muster on clay...medvedev, moya werent clowns on clay either. i respect your answer though

Action Jackson
02-07-2007, 06:35 AM
huh? dubai was the only one i think. federer isnt the only top player on hardcourts. madrid and canada were won without playing federer or any other top hardcourter. and while you are right agassi didnt play the tops sergei, or muster on clay...medvedev, moya werent clowns on clay either. i respect your answer though

He played Miami, no when he led Federer and Roger came back to defeat him. That is 2 finals which is plural. Madrid was indoors and Ljubo is a very tough guy to defeat indoors and he did it. Nadal defeated Agassi didn't he, while Agassihole was past it, still not a schmuck on hardcourt.

You do know Medvedev was ranked #100 at the time of RG in 99, don't forget that. Agassihole didn't even get to play or beat guys like Costa, Corretja, Rios, he got pounded by them when they did and he didn't play Mantilla. Kucera a non clay god, showed him up.

World Beater
02-07-2007, 06:42 AM
He played Miami, no when he led Federer and Roger came back to defeat him. That is 2 finals which is plural. Madrid was indoors and Ljubo is a very tough guy to defeat indoors and he did it. Nadal defeated Agassi didn't he, while Agassihole was past it, still not a schmuck on hardcourt.

You do know Medvedev was ranked #100 at the time of RG in 99, don't forget that. Agassihole didn't even get to play or beat guys like Costa, Corretja, Rios, he got pounded by them when they did and he didn't play Mantilla. Kucera a non clay god, showed him up.

right, but i thought you meant victories.

so defeating one player of top quality(ivan/andre) is enough to win a tournament and conclude that a draw isnt easy?

rios and costa played andre tough on hc too. no surprise there that they were tough for andre. i didnt know mantilla was top quality? he was good, but not at the level of the others. medvedev was still a very competent clay courter...got to the semis and lost to sergei, then lost to guga later on.

Action Jackson
02-07-2007, 06:49 AM
right, but i thought you meant victories.

so defeating one player of top quality(ivan/andre) is enough to win a tournament and conclude that a draw isnt easy?

rios and costa played andre tough on hc too. no surprise there that they were tough for andre. i didnt know mantilla was top quality? he was good, but not at the level of the others. medvedev was still a very competent clay courter...got to the semis and lost to sergei, then lost to guga later on.

How long has Nadal been around? It's a bit easier to evaluate someone like Agassi at that period over 10 years than Nadal. Seriously go look at Agassi's draws over the RG period easy to do on the ATP site and you tell me they are difficult or even average, then I worry for you.

I am talking about Agassi on clay and nothing else. You never saw Mantilla at his best then, did you? This guy only beat Hewitt and Sampras when number 1 on hardcourts. Even then he won a TMS on clay and made finals and was very tough, in the lower range but Agassi wasn't good enough to play these guys on clay.

Medvedev in 99 with no motivation and hardly wins at #100 in the world, that shows he was in peak form. I know exactly how good he was as a player, but there was nothing to indicate he'd make the final.

I mean Hrbaty, Meligieni, Medvedev and Agassi the last 4 RG in 99, come on. I have already answered the question about Nadal. He has done well in title numbers on hardcourt, but has a long way to go.

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 10:15 AM
How can you be confused? You go on as if Agassi was unlucky. You don't know how insulting that is actually. He won what he deserved to win.

Winning Slams is what counts. His runs at RG were fortunate, but he was good enough to take advantage of it.

Did he make 19 Slam finals like Lendl for example and apart from Cash, he didn't lose to knuckleheads and Cash on grass was inspired, no he didn't. But you are so far up Agassi's arse it's not funny.:eek:


:rolleyes:
George you`ve disappointed me~, thought we could have a mature debate without you resorting to using gutter language like that:mad: ..

To call me a fanboy is one thing:eek: [which i don`t appreciate]..
...
To talk about being up someone`s arse ~ is just plain crude [not clever]:(

...
#
Re Agassi~> atleast I`ve got some stats to back up my opinions;)
..
Like i said he made the QFs or better at 36-Slams
>> Andre won 8-Slams ~ therefore his strike rate after making the final-8 of Slams was quite low:
8/36 = 22%
...
To conclude that he was `unlucky` is not insulting, rather an opinion based on some hard facts!!
No other player has gone deep in so many Slam draws over two-decades;)
...
If you want to continue the debate that`s fine, but no more foul mouthing thank you sir:p

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 10:21 AM
Lendl lost to both Becker and Wilander three times in 3 different Slam finals in 3 different years! :rolleyes:


to Becker :devil:

1986 Wimbledon
1989 US Open
1991 Australian Open


to Wilander :o

1983 Australian Open
1985 Roland Garros
1988 US Open

:wavey:
Thats very interesting:cool:
...
Didn`t notice that both Becker & Wilander really thwarted Lendl`s push towards being considered one of the all-time-greats;)


PS. Did you know that Pat Cash also defeated Lendl three times at the late stage of Slams<:)~ actually 3-times in the space of 12-months!!

1987 AO SF: Cash def Lendl in 4-sets
1987 Wimby Final: Cash def Lendl in 3-sets
1988 AO SF: Cash def Lendl in 5-sets

Corey Feldman
02-07-2007, 12:29 PM
Cashy was getting revenge for the time Lendl did the same to him a few years earlier

1983 Wimbledon R16: Lendl def Cash in 3-sets.
1983 AO R16: Lendl def Cash in 3-sets.
1984 US Open SF: Lendl def Cash in 5th set TB.

:p

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 12:52 PM
Cashy was getting revenge for the time Lendl did the same to him a few years earlier

1983 Wimbledon R16: Lendl def Cash in 3-sets.
1983 AO R16: Lendl def Cash in 3-sets.
1984 US Open SF: Lendl def Cash in 5th set TB.

:p

:wavey:
Good get:cool:
...
Considering Cashy`s lack of consistency it`s pretty amazing that he faced Lendl in so many Slam matches;)

Also they played 5-times in AUS [including Sydney indoor].

1988 Australian Open
Australia Hard S Cash 6-4 2-6 6-2 4-6 6-2
1987 Sydney Indoor
Australia Hard F Lendl 6-4 6-2 6-4
1987 Wimbledon
England Grass F Cash 7-6 6-2 7-5
1987 Australian Open
Australia Grass S Cash 7-6 5-7 7-6 6-4
1986 Sydney Indoor
Australia Hard S Lendl 7-5 6-2
1984 US Open
NY, U.S.A. Hard S Lendl 3-6 6-3 6-4 6-7 7-6
1983 Australian Open
Australia Grass R16 Lendl 7-6 6-3 6-3
1983 Wimbledon
England Grass R16 Lendl 6-4 7-6 6-1

Action Jackson
02-07-2007, 01:01 PM
:rolleyes:
George you`ve disappointed me~, thought we could have a mature debate without you resorting to using gutter language like that:mad: ..

To call me a fanboy is one thing:eek: [which i don`t appreciate]..
...
To talk about being up someone`s arse ~ is just plain crude [not clever]:(

...
#
Re Agassi~> atleast I`ve got some stats to back up my opinions;)
..
Like i said he made the QFs or better at 36-Slams
>> Andre won 8-Slams ~ therefore his strike rate after making the final-8 of Slams was quite low:
8/36 = 22%
...
To conclude that he was `unlucky` is not insulting, rather an opinion based on some hard facts!!
No other player has gone deep in so many Slam draws over two-decades;)
...
If you want to continue the debate that`s fine, but no more foul mouthing thank you sir:p

Fanboy fits perfectly in this case, at least with your Hewitt love there was humour to it.

You know why unlucky is insulting? He has won 8 Slams that is an amount most players dream of and he didn't deserve to win anymore. That is not unlucky.

You want unlucky. Muster having 1 leg shorter than the other cause of the car accident. The hip degenerated cause of his play on hardcourt which he had to limit cause of the knee.

Carlsson retiring at 20 cause of his 5 knee operations. Haas has had injury misfortune as well. Chesnokov having the bone go through the skin of his foot etc etc etc. Would you like me to go on with unlucky or do you actually get the point.

It's far from unlucky, if he was good enough then wins more Slams. Oh! forget about that rain delay in the 99 final, not luck, he took advantage of it, but the weather gods were working for him.

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 01:13 PM
Fanboy fits perfectly in this case, at least with your Hewitt love there was humour to it.
You know why unlucky is insulting? He has won 8 Slams that is an amount most players dream of and he didn't deserve to win anymore. That is not unlucky.

You want unlucky. Muster having 1 leg shorter than the other cause of the car accident. The hip degenerated cause of his play on hardcourt which he had to limit cause of the knee.

Carlsson retiring at 20 cause of his 5 knee operations. Haas has had injury misfortune as well. Chesnokov having the bone go through the skin of his foot etc etc etc. Would you like me to go on with unlucky or do you actually get the point.

It's far from unlucky, if he was good enough then wins more Slams. Oh! forget about that rain delay in the 99 final, not luck, he took advantage of it, but the weather gods were working for him.

:wavey:
:cool:
George lets let bygons be bygons;)
...
As I mentioned, saying that I was up Andre`s arse was unappreciated & unnecessarily low-brow talk coming from you:p
...
Have a laugh with me at the wacky/ horny Japanese:eek:
...Peace mate:)

*Choco Boy [Yamaguchi San] & his sidekick grandma..(the 3rd one of these is the funniest].

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpfI_f4u-pE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzG6ClANvho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgG71gMu0Hs

croat123
02-07-2007, 01:16 PM
goran lost 3 wimbledon finals and 2 rg doubles final before finally winning a slam :p

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 01:20 PM
goran lost 3 wimbledon finals and 2 rg doubles final before finally winning a slam :p

:wavey:
Yeah Goran can thank God that he finally won Wimby in 2001:angel:
...
If Rafter had been able to put a ball back into play at 2-sets all & 6-5 & 0-30 on Ivanisavic`s serve in the 5th set of that final, then Pat would have had 3-match points:sad:

alfonsojose
02-07-2007, 01:35 PM
:wavey:
:cool:
George lets let bygons be bygons;)
...
As I mentioned, saying that I was up Andre`s arse was unappreciated & unnecessarily low-brow talk coming from you:p
...
Have a laugh with me at the wacky/ horny Japanese:eek:
...Peace mate:)

*Choco Boy [Yamaguchi San] & his sidekick grandma..(the 3rd one of these is the funniest].

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpfI_f4u-pE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzG6ClANvho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgG71gMu0Hs
:lol: Leave poor GWH alone :p

lzhaol
02-07-2007, 01:38 PM
Kim lost her first 4 GS finalS (02 FO..03F0..03USO..04OZ)

CmonAussie
02-07-2007, 02:05 PM
Kim lost her first 4 GS finalS (02 FO..03F0..03USO..04OZ)

:wavey:
Yeah Kim is definitely choker material:sad:
...
Clijsters also lost stacks of Slam SFs:eek:
...
IF she hadn`t won that 2005 USO final she would have been labelled with the choker tag forever;)

Pea
02-07-2007, 04:24 PM
LOL@calling agassi unlucky for the career he's had. If anything he was lucky to "get fit" to carry on a 2nd leg of his career by winning 4 more slams.:rolleyes:

CmonAussie
02-08-2007, 06:20 AM
....
Coria has lost the last 4-big finals he played:
*
2004 ~ Hamburg [lost to Federer]
2004 ~ French Open [lost to Gaudio]
2005 ~ Monte Carlo [lost to Nadal]
2005 ~ Rome [lost to Nadal]

CmonAussie
02-08-2007, 06:24 AM
><...
#``#.
Oops just realised that my boy Hewitt has done even worse than Coria!!

Hewitt`s run of losses in big finals = 5

2004 Cincinatti final~ lost to Agassi
2004 USO final ~ lost to Federer
2004 TMC final ~ lost to Federer
2005 AO final ~ lost to Safin
2005 Indian Wells final ~ lost to Federer

TennisGrandSlam
02-08-2007, 06:35 AM
....
Coria has lost the last 4-big finals he played:
*
2004 ~ Hamburg [lost to Federer]
2004 ~ French Open [lost to Gaudio]
2005 ~ Monte Carlo [lost to Nadal]
2005 ~ Rome [lost to Nadal]


Bad luck for Coria :sad:

http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2004&query=Singles&selTournament=0&player=C524&x=12&y=9


In 2004, he entered 5 finals (Hardcourt, Clay and Grass) within 6 consecutive tournaments, but only won 1 titles :devil:

Miami AMS (Hardcourt), lost to Roddick, Andy by 7-6(2) 3-6 1-6 RET

Monte Carlo AMS (Clay), won Schuettler, Rainer by 6-2 6-1 6-3

Hamburg AMS (Clay) , lost to Federer, Roger by 6-4 4-6 2-6 3-6

Roland Garros (Clay) , lost to Gaudio, Gaston by 6-0 6-3 4-6 1-6 6-8

London / Queen's Club (Grass) - Round 32 OUT

's-Hertogenbosch (Grass) - lost to Llodra, Michael by 3-6 4-6

CmonAussie
02-08-2007, 09:35 AM
Bad luck for Coria :sad:

http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2004&query=Singles&selTournament=0&player=C524&x=12&y=9


In 2004, he entered 5 finals (Hardcourt, Clay and Grass) within 6 consecutive tournaments, but only won 1 titles :devil:

Miami AMS (Hardcourt), lost to Roddick, Andy by 7-6(2) 3-6 1-6 RET

Monte Carlo AMS (Clay), won Schuettler, Rainer by 6-2 6-1 6-3

Hamburg AMS (Clay) , lost to Federer, Roger by 6-4 4-6 2-6 3-6

Roland Garros (Clay) , lost to Gaudio, Gaston by 6-0 6-3 4-6 1-6 6-8

London / Queen's Club (Grass) - Round 32 OUT

's-Hertogenbosch (Grass) - lost to Llodra, Michael by 3-6 4-6


:wavey: ;)
Yeah Coria has had a really bad run in finals since 2004:eek:

Lost Miami 04
Won Monte Carlo 04
Lost Hamburg 04
Lost French Open 04
Lost `s-Hertogenbosch 04
Lost Monte Carlo 05
Lost Rome 05
Won Amersfot 05
Lost Beijing 05
..
Therefore he`s lost 7 of his last 9-finals:eek:


Pat Rafter was another choker in finals:sad:

Lost Hong Kong 94
Won Manchester 94
Lost Hong Kong 97
Lost Philadelphia 97
Lost St.Poelten 97
Lost New Haven 97
Lost Long Island 97
...
So lost 6 of his first 7 finals:o ...
Then he had a successful period after winning the 97 US Open
...
However finished his career in typically choking style><
...
Lost Rome 99
Won 's-Hertogenbosch 99
Lost Cincinnati 99
Won 's-Hertogenbosch 00
Lost Wimbledon 00
Lost Lyon 00
Lost Wimbledon 01
Lost Montreal/Toronot 01
Lost Cincinnati 01
Won Indianapolis 01 [after Guga retired hurt]
...
So Rafter lost the 6-straight of the most important finals at the end of his career:eek: :sad:

TennisGrandSlam
02-08-2007, 10:14 AM
:wavey: ;)
Yeah Coria has had a really bad run in finals since 2004:eek:

Lost Miami 04
Won Monte Carlo 04
Lost Hamburg 04
Lost French Open 04
Lost `s-Hertogenbosch 04
Lost Monte Carlo 05
Lost Rome 05
Won Amersfot 05
Lost Beijing 05
..
Therefore he`s lost 7 of his last 9-finals:eek:


Pat Rafter was another choker in finals:sad:

Lost Hong Kong 94
Won Manchester 94
Lost Hong Kong 97
Lost Philadelphia 97
Lost St.Poelten 97
Lost New Haven 97
Lost Long Island 97
...
So lost 6 of his first 7 finals:o ...
Then he had a successful period after winning the 97 US Open
...
However finished his career in typically choking style><
...
Lost Rome 99
Won 's-Hertogenbosch 99
Lost Cincinnati 99
Won 's-Hertogenbosch 00
Lost Wimbledon 00
Lost Lyon 00
Lost Wimbledon 01
Lost Montreal/Toronot 01
Lost Cincinnati 01
Won Indianapolis 01 [after Guga retired hurt]
...
So Rafter lost the 6-straight of the most important finals at the end of his career:eek: :sad:



Lost Monte Carlo 05 (Clay)
Lost Rome 05 (Clay)
Lost Beijing 05 (Hardcourt)

Coria all lost to Nadal :rolleyes:


Let me remember Roger Federer in 06 :o

Lost Dubai 06 (Hardcourt) - 56 streaking winning in Hardcourt :mad:
Lost Monte Carlo 06 (Clay)
Lost Rome 06 (Clay) - Lost w/ MP, also 4-1 games leading in the last set :rolleyes:
Lost Roland Garros 06 (Clay)

TennisGrandSlam
02-08-2007, 10:36 AM
Marcelo Rios 1998

Titles (7) : Auckland, Indian Wells, Miami, Rome, St. Poelten, Grand Slam Cup, Singapore

Runner-up (1) : Australian Open



Patrick Rafter 1997

Title (1) : US Open

Finals (6) : Philadelphia, Hong Kong, St Poelten, New Haven, Long Island, , Grand Slam Cup



Which does you prefer? :devil: :devil: :devil:

CmonAussie
02-08-2007, 10:47 AM
Marcelo Rios 1998

Titles (7) : Auckland, Indian Wells, Miami, Rome, St. Poelten, Grand Slam Cup, Singapore

Runner-up (1) : Australian Open



Patrick Rafter 1997

Title (1) : US Open

Finals (6) : Philadelphia, Hong Kong, St Poelten, New Haven, Long Island, , Grand Slam Cup



Which does you prefer? :devil: :devil: :devil:


:wavey: :cool:
Yeah that`s pretty funny:D
...
I guess Rafter was down about losing so many finals but to finally win the big one at the USO certainly made up for a lot:worship:
...
Rios on the other hand seemed to give up on winning slams & contented himself with winning as many TMS & other titles to make up for it:p

CmonAussie
02-08-2007, 10:54 AM
**
Xavier Malisse is a mystery man~ or the X-MAN as they say!!
..
He losses 8 / 9 finals over an 8-year period & then begins 2007 by winning 2-events in both singles & doubles within the space of one month>>> the Gods must be crazy!!

X-Man`s losing finals streak:

1998: Mexico City
1999: Delray Beach
2001: Atlanta
2001: Delray Beach
2004: St. Poelten
2004: Lyon
2005: *won Delray Beach
2006: Adelaide
2006: Delray Beach

TennisGrandSlam
02-08-2007, 10:56 AM
**
Xavier Malisse is a mystery man~ or the X-MAN as they say!!
..
He losses 8 / 9 finals over an 8-year period & then begins 2007 by winning 2-events in both singles & doubles within the space of one month>>> the Gods must be crazy!!

X-Man`s losing finals streak:

1998: Mexico City
1999: Delray Beach
2001: Atlanta
2001: Delray Beach
2004: St. Poelten
2004: Lyon
2005: *won Delray Beach
2006: Adelaide
2006: Delray Beach


X-man is on fire (like Hrbaty in early 2004 :devil: )

TennisGrandSlam
02-09-2007, 04:49 AM
For Single Grand Slam Tournament

Becker

Wimbledon (3)

1985 Winner
1986 Winner
1988 Runner-up
1989 Winner
1990 Runner-up
1991 Runner-up
1995 Runner-up


Borg

US Open (4)

1976 Runner-up
1978 Runner-up
1980 Runner-up
1981 Runner-up


Goolagong

US Open (4)

1973 Runner-up
1974 Runner-up
1975 Runner-up
1976 Runner-up

CmonAussie
02-09-2007, 05:40 AM
For Single Grand Slam Tournament

Becker

Wimbledon (3)

1985 Winner
1986 Winner
1988 Runner-up
1989 Winner
1990 Runner-up
1991 Runner-up
1995 Runner-up


Borg

US Open (4)

1976 Runner-up
1978 Runner-up
1980 Runner-up
1981 Runner-up


Goolagong

US Open (4)

1973 Runner-up
1974 Runner-up
1975 Runner-up
1976 Runner-up

:wavey: ;) :cool:
...
Thanks TennisGrandSlam~> excellent research as always:D

CmonAussie
02-09-2007, 05:55 AM
%%%%***
..
#Stefan Edberg at the Aussie Open:

1985: won AO final [v Wilander]
1987: won AO final [v Cash]
1990: lost AO final [v Lendl]
1992: lost AO final [v Courier]
1993: lost AO final [v Courier]

CmonAussie
02-19-2007, 09:39 AM
?>@@<?
...
Looks like Ferrero wants to set a new record for successive losses in finals before he retires><...

*His career began promisingly & many thought he was just as talented as Federer but look at how their respective careers have gone since their breakout Slam winning years in 2003!!!!

>> Ferrero`s last win was the 2003 Madrid Masters~> amazingly he was able to beat Federer there on a fast court & thereby prevented Federer from finishing 2003 as #1 [Roddick just managed to nab it partly thanks to Ferrero`s win over Federer at Madrid]..

Anyway Ferrero has lost 5-finals since his last win at Madrid in 2003
>>> In the same time Federer has won 36-titles [incl: 9-slams, 3-TMC, 11-AMS]..


Ferrero`s once great career is quickly fading in the memory:



Titles [11]
1. 13 September 1999 Majorca, Spain Clay Alex Corretja 2-6, 7-5, 6-3
2. 26 September 2001 Dubai, UAE Hard Marat Safin 6-2, 3-1 ret.
3. 9 April 2001 Estoril, Portugal Clay Felix Mantilla 7-63, 4-6, 6-3
4. 23 April 2001 Barcelona, Spain Clay Carlos Moya 4-6, 7-5, 6-3, 3-6, 7-5
5. 7 May 2001 Rome, Italy Clay Gustavo Kuerten 3-6, 6-1, 2-6, 6-4, 6-2
6. 15 April 2002 Monte Carlo, Monaco Clay Carlos Moya 7-5, 6-3, 6-4
7. 23 September 2002 Hong Kong, China Hard Carlos Moya 6-3 1-6 7-64
8. 14 April 2003 Monte Carlo, Monaco Clay Guillermo Coria 6-2, 6-2
9. 28 April 2003 Valencia, Spain Clay Christophe Rochus 6-2, 6-4
10. 26 May 2003 French Open, Paris, France Clay Martin Verkerk 6-1, 6-3, 6-2
11. 13 October 2003 Madrid, Spain Hard Nicolás Massú 6-3, 6-4, 6-3


Singles runner-ups (15)
2000: Dubai (lost to Nicolas Kiefer)
2000: Barcelona (lost to Marat Safin)
2001: Hamburg Masters (lost to Albert Portas)
2001: Gstaad (lost to Jiri Novak)
2002: French Open (lost to Albert Costa)
2002: Kitzbuhel (lost to Alex Corretja)
2002: Tennis Masters Cup (lost to Lleyton Hewitt)
2003: Sydney (lost to Hyung-Taik Lee)
2003: U.S. Open (lost to Andy Roddick)
2003: Bangkok (lost to Taylor Dent)
2004: Rotterdam (lost to Lleyton Hewitt)
2005: Barcelona (lost to Rafael Nadal)
2005: Vienna (lost to Ivan Ljubicic)
2006: Cincinnati Masters (lost to Andy Roddick)
2007: Costa do Soupe (lost to Guillermo Canas)

CmonAussie
02-19-2007, 09:49 AM
#Actually I just looked up Brad Gilbert`s statistics & discovered that he lost his last 8-finals of his career before retiring as a player...

>> Perhaps Brad Gilbert holds the record at 8???
Ferrero still has a little catching up to to then [currently on 5]


Brad Gilbert [Mr.Winning Ugly~> looks like he lost ugly too!!].


SINGLES CAREER TITLES (20):
1982--Taipei;
1984--Columbus, Taipei;
1985--Cleveland, Livingston, Tel Aviv;
1986--Livingston, Memphis, Tel Aviv, Vienna;
1987--Scottsdale;
1988--Tel Aviv;
1989--Cincinnati, Livingston, Memphis, San Francisco, Stratton Mountain;
1990--Brisbane, Orlando, Rotterdam


FINALIST (20):
1984--San Francisco;
1985--Johannesburg, Stuttgart Outdoor;
1987--Johannesburg, Paris Indoor, Tel Aviv, Washington;
1988--Paris Indoor;
1989--Dallas WCT, Orlando, Washington;
1990--Cincinnati, Grand Slam Cup;
1991--Los Angeles, San Francisco, Sydney Indoor;
1992--Scottsdale;
1993--San Francisco, Tokyo Outdoor;
1994--Memphis

Corey Feldman
02-19-2007, 09:52 AM
He still has a way to go to reach Pioline losing 9 in a row ;)
Henman lost 7 in a row.
Malisse 6.
Haas, Nalbandian 5 Ferrero(currently) 5.

CmonAussie
02-19-2007, 09:58 AM
He still has a way to go to reach Pioline losing 9 in a row ;)
Henman lost 7 in a row.
Malisse 6.
Haas, Nalbandian 5 Ferrero(currently) 5.


:wavey:
Thanks:cool:

Yeah so it seems to be Cedric Pioline [with the record]~ thought Brad Gilbert`s effort of losing the last 8-straight of his career is more funny than Pioline losing the first 9-straight of his career before finally finding success..

Anyway here`s Cedric Pioline`s run of 9-straight:

1992: Lyon (lost to Pete Sampras)
1993: Monte Carlo (lost to Sergi Bruguera)
1993: US Open (lost to Pete Sampras)
1993: Toulouse (lost to Arnaud Boetsch}
1993: Bolzano (lost to Jonathan Stark}
1993: Lyon (lost to Pete Sampras}
1994: Long Island (lost to Yevgeny Kafelnikov}
1996: Zagreb (lost to Goran Ivanišević}
1996: Marseille (lost to Guy Forget}

ChinoRios4Ever
02-19-2007, 04:50 PM
Gonzo has lost 4 straight finals too

2006 Viena to Ljubicic
2006 Madrid to Fed
2006 Basel to Fed
2007 AO to.... FED :mad:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-19-2007, 04:51 PM
Marcelo Rios 1998

Titles (7) : Auckland, Indian Wells, Miami, Rome, St. Poelten, Grand Slam Cup, Singapore

Runner-up (1) : Australian Open



Patrick Rafter 1997

Title (1) : US Open

Finals (6) : Philadelphia, Hong Kong, St Poelten, New Haven, Long Island, , Grand Slam Cup



Which does you prefer? :devil: :devil: :devil:

R1OS :worship: :worship:

TennisLurker
02-19-2007, 05:17 PM
Lendl choked quite often, and Chang was a better claycourter than Agassi (when chang was good, say before 1998)

TennisLurker
02-19-2007, 05:22 PM
By the way, Lendl´s best chance to win wimbledon was not one of the 2 times he made the final, but in 1989, when he was close to beating Becker in the semifinals, later Edberg would play quite shitty in the finals.

stebs
02-19-2007, 06:07 PM
Gonzo has lost 4 straight finals too

2006 Viena to Ljubicic
2006 Madrid to Fed
2006 Basel to Fed
2007 AO to.... FED :mad:

For Gonzo there is nothing to worry about. Ivan indoors is a perfectly acceptable loss and then playing Fed three times is just harsh. I mean, almost all players struggle but to be up against a guy with that ability plus the fact that he matches up bad means there's not a lot to be done for Gonzo. He will win a final soon.

Leo
02-19-2007, 08:12 PM
:wavey:
Davenport really was a good chance to win all of those, esp the last two where she led by a set & a break:eek:

The common denominator with those losses was WILLIAMS!!!
...
I guess she`ll have a few regrets now, since she`s unofficially going into retirement:sad:

Lots of chances! In Wimby 2000, she was up a break early in the first and was 2 points from taking it to a 3rd (and winning, I believe) at 6-5*, 0-30, but got a bad call and couldn't capitalize. She was also up 4*-1 in the first set of the USO 2000 final. And she wasn't up a set and break in AO 2005, but she did have break points in the second set and got broken from 3-4*, 40-0 and never won another game. And then obviously Wimbledon, getting broken at love when serving for the championship, and the 3rd set...

Leo
02-19-2007, 08:13 PM
And as for Ferrero, I'm not optimistic that he'll even make another 4 finals in his career to match Pioline's losing record. :rolleyes:

Henry Chinaski
02-19-2007, 11:06 PM
kiefer has also lost 9 straight finals.

2001--Moscow; 2002--Halle; 2003--Halle; 2004--Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Memphis, Scottsdale; 2005--Moscow, St. Petersburg

Corey Feldman
02-19-2007, 11:33 PM
Good spot Henry

CmonAussie
02-20-2007, 04:32 AM
kiefer has also lost 9 straight finals.

2001--Moscow; 2002--Halle; 2003--Halle; 2004--Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Memphis, Scottsdale; 2005--Moscow, St. Petersburg

:wavey:
Thanks;)

So the active losing streaks in finals are:

*Kiefer ~ 9
...
*Ferrero ~ 5
...
*Gonzalez ~ 4

CmonAussie
05-13-2007, 06:58 PM
Gonzalez extends his finals losing streak to 5...;><:

October 15, 2006 Vienna, Austria Hard (i) Ivan Ljubičić 3-6, 4-6, 5-7
October 22, 2006 Madrid, Spain Hard (i) Roger Federer 5-7, 1-6, 0-6
October 29, 2006 Basel, Switzerland Carpet (i) Roger Federer 3-6, 2-6, 6-7(3)
January 28, 2007 Australian Open Hard Roger Federer 6-7(2), 4-6, 4-6
May 7, 2007 Rome Clay Rafael Nadal 2-6, 2-6

stebs
05-13-2007, 07:05 PM
Gonzalez extends his finals losing streak to 5...;><:

October 15, 2006 Vienna, Austria Hard (i) Ivan Ljubičić 3-6, 4-6, 5-7
October 22, 2006 Madrid, Spain Hard (i) Roger Federer 5-7, 1-6, 0-6
October 29, 2006 Basel, Switzerland Carpet (i) Roger Federer 3-6, 2-6, 6-7(3)
January 28, 2007 Australian Open Hard Roger Federer 6-7(2), 4-6, 4-6
May 7, 2007 Rome Clay Rafael Nadal 2-6, 2-6

Better to be losing finals in big events (Rome, AO, Madrid) than winning the finals of MM's. Ideally he would be doing both but the positive side is that he is reaching the finals.

Norrage
05-13-2007, 07:19 PM
Gonzalez extends his finals losing streak to 5...;><:

October 15, 2006 Vienna, Austria Hard (i) Ivan Ljubičić 3-6, 4-6, 5-7
October 22, 2006 Madrid, Spain Hard (i) Roger Federer 5-7, 1-6, 0-6
October 29, 2006 Basel, Switzerland Carpet (i) Roger Federer 3-6, 2-6, 6-7(3)
January 28, 2007 Australian Open Hard Roger Federer 6-7(2), 4-6, 4-6
May 7, 2007 Rome Clay Rafael Nadal 2-6, 2-6
The problem with this kinda is he didnt manage to win a set in any of them....

ChinoRios4Ever
05-13-2007, 10:57 PM
Gonzalez extends his finals losing streak to 5...;><:

October 15, 2006 Vienna, Austria Hard (i) Ivan Ljubičić 3-6, 4-6, 5-7
October 22, 2006 Madrid, Spain Hard (i) Roger Federer 5-7, 1-6, 0-6
October 29, 2006 Basel, Switzerland Carpet (i) Roger Federer 3-6, 2-6, 6-7(3)
January 28, 2007 Australian Open Hard Roger Federer 6-7(2), 4-6, 4-6
May 7, 2007 Rome Clay Rafael Nadal 2-6, 2-6

without winning a single set :o :mad:

Jimnik
05-13-2007, 11:13 PM
JCF has also lost his last 5 finals in a row.

CmonAussie
05-14-2007, 02:10 AM
JCF has also lost his last 5 finals in a row.

:wavey:
Yes I`m aware of JCF`s equally poor finals record;)
Actually Kiefer takes the cake:eek:


1. Kiefer: *9-finals straight lost [2001-2005 & still alive]:eek:
2. Ferrero: *5-finals straight lost [2004-2007 & still alive]:o
2. Gonzalez: *5-finals straight lost [2006-2007 & still alive]:sad:

Kolya
05-14-2007, 04:37 AM
Look at the guys Gonzo had to play.

ExcaliburII
05-14-2007, 05:26 AM
Marcelo Rios 1998

Titles (7) : Auckland, Indian Wells, Miami, Rome, St. Poelten, Grand Slam Cup, Singapore

Runner-up (1) : Australian Open



Patrick Rafter 1997

Title (1) : US Open

Finals (6) : Philadelphia, Hong Kong, St Poelten, New Haven, Long Island, , Grand Slam Cup



Which does you prefer? :devil: :devil: :devil:

Rafter, he won one slam. :p

CmonAussie
05-16-2007, 11:18 AM
Sergi Bruguera ended his career disappointingly;><:
>> Sergi lost his last 7-finals straight!!!..[4 of them were big ones]!!


May 21, 1995 Rome, Italy Clay Thomas Muster 3-6, 7-6(5), 6-2, 6-3
July 28, 1996 Olympic Games, Atlanta, USA Hard Andre Agassi 6-2, 6-3, 6-1
March 2, 1997 Milan, Italy Carpet (I) Goran Ivanišević 6-2, 6-2
March 23, 1997 Key Biscane, USA Hard Thomas Muster 7-6(6), 6-3, 6-1
June 8, 1997 French Open, Paris, France Clay Gustavo Kuerten 6-3, 6-4, 6-2
July 27, 1997 Umag, Croatia Clay Félix Mantilla 6-3, 7-5
July 30, 2000 San Marino, San Marino Clay Alex Calatrava 7-6(7), 1-6, 6-4

leng jai
05-16-2007, 11:30 AM
Roofel @ Agassi bad luck comment.

Gonzo has played Federer 3 times in those defeats and Nadal on clay. So really, not a whole he could of done to win those.

CmonAussie
05-26-2007, 11:30 PM
***

Monfils stretched his losing streak in finals to 4...
Gael is still very young,~so if he keeps this up he could get the record for most finals lost in succession><..
#
Pioline & Kiefer hold the record ~~ with 9 successive finals losses!!

CmonAussie
05-27-2007, 12:47 PM
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Gael Monfils 4-final losing streak:

2005: Metz (lost to Ivan Ljubičić)
2005: Lyon (lost to Andy Roddick)
2006: Doha (lost to Roger Federer)
2007: Poertschach (lost to Juan Monaco)

CmonAussie
09-15-2007, 01:10 PM
###BUMP###
~~~
Fernando Gonzo is in the final of the China Open, in the last 12-months he`s lost 5-finals~~ can he end his finals losing streak???

Hope Gonzo wins, he badly needs it to get his confidence back<:)

CmonAussie
09-16-2007, 02:34 PM
************
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Gonzalez gets the monkey off his back<:).......yippeee!!!

Renaud
09-16-2007, 04:28 PM
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Gael Monfils 4-final losing streak:

2005: Metz (lost to Ivan Ljubičić)
2005: Lyon (lost to Andy Roddick)
2006: Doha (lost to Roger Federer)
2007: Poertschach (lost to Juan Monaco)


4 for Grosjean too.
2003--London / Queen's Club (Lost to Roddick)
2003--Tokyo (lost to Schuettler)
2004--London / Queen's Club (Lost to Roddick)
2005--Houston (Lost to Roddick)

CmonAussie
09-16-2007, 04:37 PM
4 for Grosjean too.
2003--London / Queen's Club (Lost to Roddick)
2003--Tokyo (lost to Schuettler)
2004--London / Queen's Club (Lost to Roddick)
2005--Houston (Lost to Roddick)


:wavey:
Cheers:cool:
...
Grosjean didn`t enjoy the matchup with Roddick did he:eek: :sad:

ChinoRios4Ever
09-16-2007, 09:10 PM
finally Gonzo :banana:

CmonAussie
05-07-2008, 06:40 PM
...
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JCF shows he still has major talent by defeating RAFA on clay, but will Ferrero ever win another tournement???
JCF`s losing streak in finals is now 6 <> dating back to his last title win [2003 Madrid], so almost 5 years since he`s tasted the sweet smell of victory!!

Neely
07-26-2008, 11:47 PM
Pretty shit that Kiefer has reached the final now.

He's not supposed to win against either of both possible opponents. Unless the opponent is Murray, his 10th consecutive finals loss is about as sure as a lock. Against Nadal I see about zero chance under normal circumstances, against Murray there is going to be a better one than against Nadal at least.

CmonAussie
07-27-2008, 08:08 PM
Kiefer`s losing streak in finals = 10

Moscow (2001)
Halle (2002)
Halle (2003)
Memphis (2004)
Scottsdale (2004)
Indianapolis (2004)
Los Angeles (2004)
Moscow (2005)
St. Petersburg (2005)
AMS Canada (2008)

kfh_9118
07-27-2008, 10:53 PM
Kiwi :sobbing:

hopefully he can win at least one more title before he retires

Mimi
07-28-2008, 03:16 AM
OMG, poor him, no wonder he looked so miserable in the ceremony, 10 finals :sad:

Kiefer`s losing streak in finals = 10

Moscow (2001)
Halle (2002)
Halle (2003)
Memphis (2004)
Scottsdale (2004)
Indianapolis (2004)
Los Angeles (2004)
Moscow (2005)
St. Petersburg (2005)
AMS Canada (2008)

fast_clay
07-28-2008, 03:25 AM
keifer :eek:

f*ck thats sh!t...

anyways... rock on...

:rocker2:

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CmonAussie
10-12-2008, 02:50 PM
...
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Also Marat Safin`s losing streak in finals is now 3:
Halle 2005
Moscow 2006
Moscow 2008
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no titles for Marat since AO 2005!

Henry Chinaski
10-12-2008, 02:54 PM
3 for Soderling now too.

Nidhogg
10-12-2008, 03:00 PM
3 for Soderling now too.

At least. Three for this year where he played his worst tennis in the final of the first two tournaments, and his last title being the one in Milan 2005. His complete final record is 2-6.

Somehow I'm still optimistic about a third title coming soon though, maybe in Lyon. :rain:

Minotaur
10-12-2008, 03:13 PM
Monfils is a classic example of journeyman. He is more a clown than a serious player.

Also he is into more injuries and therefore his stamina is always pretty low in the end.

CmonAussie
03-01-2009, 11:53 AM
<>
Gael Monfils losing streak in finals now extends to 6..
Will he ever win another title [promised so much after winning 3/4 junior slams in 04]:
Gael`s lost finals:

1. 9 October 2005 Metz, France Hard (i) Ivan Ljubičić 6–7(7), 0–6
2. 30 October 2005 Lyon, France Carpet Andy Roddick 3–6, 2–6
3. 8 January 2006 Doha, Qatar Hard Roger Federer 3–6, 6–7(5)
4. 20 May 2007 Pörtschach, Austria Clay Juan Mónaco 6–7(3), 0–6
5. 4 October 2008 Vienna, Austria Hard (i) Philipp Petzschner 4–6, 4–6
6. 28 February 2009 Acapulco, Mexico Clay Nicolas Almagro 4-6, 4-6

Dini
03-01-2009, 12:08 PM
<>
Gael Monfils losing streak in finals now extends to 6..
Will he ever win another title [promised so much after winning 3/4 junior slams in 04]:
Gael`s lost finals:

1. 9 October 2005 Metz, France Hard (i) Ivan Ljubičić 6–7(7), 0–6
2. 30 October 2005 Lyon, France Carpet Andy Roddick 3–6, 2–6
3. 8 January 2006 Doha, Qatar Hard Roger Federer 3–6, 6–7(5)
4. 20 May 2007 Pörtschach, Austria Clay Juan Mónaco 6–7(3), 0–6
5. 4 October 2008 Vienna, Austria Hard (i) Philipp Petzschner 4–6, 4–6
6. 28 February 2009 Acapulco, Mexico Clay Nicolas Almagro 4-6, 4-6

Well losing to Federer and Roddick isn't much shame, but to Monaco in that fashion and Petzschner is just :bolt:

SaFed2005
03-01-2009, 02:44 PM
Well losing to Federer and Roddick isn't much shame, but to Monaco in that fashion and Petzschner is just :bolt:

wow he hasn't even managed to win a single set in all those 6 finals. :rolleyes:

CmonAussie
04-13-2009, 01:05 AM
...
JCF finally does it~ and when least expected, nice surprise!
Last time JCF won a title was Madrid 03, when he was briefly World #1..
Nearly 6 yearsl later he`s broken the jinx! Surely he felt like giving up at times><. Good to see persistance pays off, now hopefully he can win a few more titles (maybe even a clay masters) before he retires..

New Balls Please
04-13-2009, 01:12 AM
All JCF fans are really glad today! We've waited for this moment for so long!

kfh_9118
04-13-2009, 01:58 AM
if only Kiwi can follow JCF soon :sad:

finishingmove
04-13-2009, 02:14 AM
wow i didn't realize ferrero was one of "them" :unsure:

good for him to break the spell

Mimi
04-13-2009, 05:41 AM
:lol::bigclap: great poor Ferrero finally won a title:woohoo:

Yashirobai
04-13-2009, 09:04 AM
...
JCF finally does it~ and when least expected, nice surprise!
Last time JCF won a title was Madrid 03, when he was briefly World #1..
Nearly 6 yearsl later he`s broken the jinx! Surely he felt like giving up at times><. Good to see persistance pays off, now hopefully he can win a few more titles (maybe even a clay masters) before he retires..


That's right. Funny enough, he won his las title when he was ranked No. 1, obviously his highest ranking... and he won Casablanca as the World No. 115, his lowest ranking since May 1999. It would have probably been more logical if only he had won a title during the 2004-2008 span, when he was regularly ranked within the Top 30.

Yashirobai
04-13-2009, 09:16 AM
That's right. Funny enough, he won his las title when he was ranked No. 1, obviously his highest ranking... and he won Casablanca as the World No. 115, his lowest ranking since May 1999. It would have probably been more logical if only he had won a title during the 2004-2008 span, when he was regularly ranked within the Top 30.

In fact, never since he won his first ATP Title in Mallorca (back in September 1999) had he been that low in the Rankings.

CmonAussie
09-27-2009, 03:29 PM
...
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Monfils on the verge of breaking his duck in finals [6 lost in a row since 2005]..?