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Ljubicic def Johansson 7-6 6-7 7-6

El Legenda
02-02-2007, 05:06 PM
Johansson must hate playing Ivan...0-4 in the last 4 h2h

keqtqiadv
02-02-2007, 05:07 PM
:bigcry:

Mateya
02-02-2007, 05:07 PM
:mad: :mad:

:crying2: My Johi...and my bet.
Another crapy win from Ljubičić :rolleyes:

What do you say? (Non-Ljubo fans, nevtrals)

Deathless Mortal
02-02-2007, 05:08 PM
Ljubo :banana:

I'm not going to say 'great match' :lol:

But a win is a win! C'mon! Youzhny, you're next!

El Legenda
02-02-2007, 05:09 PM
Ljubicic wants Baghdatis in the final...payback time :lol:

Byrd
02-02-2007, 05:09 PM
Ljubo played crap, just lucky he had a choker on the other side of the net.

ufokart
02-02-2007, 05:09 PM
Ljubicic saved 3 break points when they were *3-4 :eek:
After the 0-40 he made 2 or 3 aces :lol:

Action Jackson
02-02-2007, 05:09 PM
Johansson won the first 3 and then Ljubo won the next 4. It's very hard for them to play each other.

Mateya
02-02-2007, 05:10 PM
Damn, I opened topic one minute after :)

All i can say is...:mad: :mad: crap.

Lee
02-02-2007, 05:10 PM
It seems Ljubo waked up after 0-40 at 3-4 3rd set.

Apemant
02-02-2007, 05:10 PM
In other news, did you check the statistics, ToJo won 93% on 1st serve :haha:

I mean, ToJo is not a bad server, but 93%... damn, Ljubo's return game is reaching new low, as if it wasn't bad already to begin with. I hate to think what a world class server would do to him?

Move goddammit, you baldie you ... didn't even hit 30, there has to be some juice left in those bones :lol:

Mistaflava
02-02-2007, 05:10 PM
:haha:

The legend of the great Ljubicic continues...

El Legenda
02-02-2007, 05:11 PM
Johansson won the first 3 and then Ljubo won the next 4. It's very hard for them to play each other.

Johansson hasnt won since 2002. but they hate playing each other...they're good friends

Adler
02-02-2007, 05:11 PM
damn, that was a close one!

El Legenda
02-02-2007, 05:12 PM
In other news, did you check the statistics, ToJo won 93% on 1st serve :haha:

I mean, ToJo is not a bad server, but 93%... damn, Ljubo's return game is reaching new low, as if it wasn't bad already to begin with. I hate to think what a world class server would do to him?

Move goddammit, you baldie you ... didn't even hit 30, there has to be some juice left in those bones :lol:

that court is fast...its basketball floor and about inch of taraflex over it...

Action Jackson
02-02-2007, 05:14 PM
Johansson hasnt won since 2002. but they hate playing each other...they're good friends

Yes, that's the reason, it's not so hard for Ljubo to play Duckhead. Are they trying to rival the Belarussian ice rink or something in Zagreb?

happy928
02-02-2007, 05:14 PM
Youhzny will take care of LJ tomorrow.

El Legenda
02-02-2007, 05:15 PM
Youhzny will take care of LJ tomorrow.

http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/headtohead/default.asp?playernum1=L360&playernum2=Y061

last year in Zagreb 6-3 6-2 Ivan

Apemant
02-02-2007, 05:17 PM
that court is fast...its basketball floor and about inch of taraflex over it...

That's a poor excuse, as Ljubo himself won 'only' 89% on his 1st serve, and he's undoubtly much better server than ToJo...


And besides, I keep listening how fast this court is, but to me all the matches looked awfully slow. I just watched Guga-JFC highlights from RG 2001 on youtube and the play looks faster by a factor of 2.

Damn, where is a Guga when you need one...

tangerine_dream
02-02-2007, 05:18 PM
Ivan :hearts:

happy928
02-02-2007, 05:19 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/headtohead/default.asp?playernum1=L360&playernum2=Y061

last year in Zagreb 6-3 6-2 Ivan

yes, that was last yr....this is this yr.....LJ is clearly not in form........

Deathless Mortal
02-02-2007, 05:20 PM
Ivan :hearts:

:haha:

happy928
02-02-2007, 05:21 PM
i still remember Fish whoopin ivan at Aussie this yr :sad:

Apemant
02-02-2007, 05:21 PM
Youhzny will take care of LJ tomorrow.

Definitely a possibility, actually a likely outcome if Ljubo continues displaying this poor excuse for tennis, but on the other hand, why does this message of yours generate such a strong déjà vu feeling on me?

Ahh yes, it's the same tune we kept listening to in Doha :devil:

Apemant
02-02-2007, 05:23 PM
Disregard my last comment happy928 (BTW, why 928?) seems I confused you for a hater while you are just a disillusioned fan (with a point, actually)

jayjay
02-02-2007, 05:38 PM
Johansson hasnt won since 2002. but they hate playing each other...they're good friends

Judging by the standard today, they hate tennis fans too.

Apemant
02-02-2007, 05:41 PM
Judging by the standard today, they hate tennis fans too.

If you didn't watch it, then how do you know what was its standard?

And if you watched and didn't like it, why keep watching?

Either way, you don't have a point. :devil:

jayjay
02-02-2007, 05:42 PM
If you didn't watch it, then how do you know what was its standard?

And if you watched and didn't like it, why keep watching?

Either way, you don't have a point. :devil:

I did watch it. It was a tongue in cheek comment. Calm down.

Björki
02-02-2007, 05:44 PM
Thomas :bigcry:

RickDaStick
02-02-2007, 05:45 PM
Youhzny will take care of LJ tomorrow.

keep trying, one of these days you will get lucky.

Sommarsverige
02-02-2007, 05:51 PM
I am also sad for Thomas :sad:

tennismaster882001
02-02-2007, 05:52 PM
Judging by the standard today, they hate tennis fans too.

Yes, I thought I was realy unlucky to watch Karlovic - Llodra and Ljubicic - Koubek yesterday, but today wasn't any better!
Such a bad quality matches!:o :rolleyes:

And this surface isn't fast at all! I don't understand why some of you think so!:confused:

jayjay
02-02-2007, 05:55 PM
Yes, I thought I was realy unlucky to watch Karlovic - Llodra and Ljubicic - Koubek yesterday, but today wasn't any better!
Such a bad quality matches!:o :rolleyes:


Thank you. The quality of the matches in Zagreb this week has been very poor. Today was really hard to watch, Ljubicic seemed pathetically uninspired infront of his home crowd.

ps. Apemant, before you come flying in again head first with your eyes closed, I continue watching tennis because I like it inspite of the likes of Ivan Ljubicic. Adios. :wavey:

tennismaster882001
02-02-2007, 06:02 PM
Yes, I thought I was realy unlucky to watch Karlovic - Llodra and Ljubicic - Koubek yesterday, but today wasn't any better!
Such a bad quality matches!:o :rolleyes:

And this surface isn't fast at all! I don't understand why some of you think so!:confused:

I take that statement back, I didn't watch today's match from Ivan, only yesterday!
They just said on the news that the quality was good!:eek:

Apemant
02-02-2007, 06:09 PM
ps. Apemant, before you come flying in again head first with your eyes closed, I continue watching tennis because I like it inspite of the likes of Ivan Ljubicic. Adios. :wavey:

You didn't get me, I very much agree the quality was low, as is evident from my own earlier comments. In fact, Ljubo was the guilty party for it being boring, as he served too good but didn't make much effort at returning ToJo's serves.

But it is also very much possible to say it was a bad match without sounding hateful or poisonous. I have nothing against good humour, but I'm not especially fond of haters (yes, that includes Ljubo's fans as well, when they post hateful comments for Roddick, Nadal or Nalbandian).

jayjay
02-02-2007, 06:09 PM
I take that statement back, I didn't watch today's match from Ivan, only yesterday!
They just said on the news that the quality was good!:eek:

Well I've seen Ljubicic play alot, and even though I don't rate him (his Slam record speaks for itself), I've seen him play a hell of alot better in the past couple of years than today.

He was abysmal on return, partly due to some excellent serving from Johansson, but when he gave Ljubicic a returnable serve, be it on 1st or 2nd, Ljubicic was apalling.

He showed occasional signs of playing better, but never sustained it for more than a few points. On Johansson's part, when they got into rallies, he looked far more accomplished, which is what we would expect anyway, but Ljubicic held him at bay with some progressively excellent serving as the match went on.

As I said, I was surprised at how little Ljubicic was able or willing to feed off the crowd (who did their best to put Johansson off as you get from most home crowds), instead he was too often looking for line call excuses, when in truth he got more than his fair share of the 50/50 line calls today.

jayjay
02-02-2007, 06:11 PM
But it is also very much possible to say it was a bad match without sounding hateful or poisonous. I have nothing against good humour, but I'm not especially fond of haters (yes, that includes Ljubo's fans as well, when they post hateful comments for Roddick, Nadal or Nalbandian).

Well I'm not a "hater" and you'd do well to not put everyone who has a critical comment to make on a match or player as such. I thought it was a poor match, I expected better as time wore on, but it did not come. Nevermind. There's always tomorrow. :)

Apemant
02-02-2007, 06:26 PM
Well I'm not a "hater" and you'd do well to not put everyone who has a critical comment to make on a match or player as such. I thought it was a poor match, I expected better as time wore on, but it did not come. Nevermind. There's always tomorrow. :)

Look, there is a chance I misjudged your comment, maybe because I vaguely remember you making a lot of comments on Ljubo which sounded poisonous to me. If I did, I appologize in advance.

Still, I don't call someone a 'hater' just because of criticism. A good criticism is always welcome, but a line such as '..inspite of the likes of IL' doesn't actually sound like a positive criticism to me, more like a downright dismissal.

Anyway, I agree Ljubo looked pretty crappy last few matches, actually since AO 1st round. Peace.

jayjay
02-02-2007, 06:52 PM
[QUOTE=Apemant;4799231]Look, there is a chance I misjudged your comment, maybe because I vaguely remember you making a lot of comments on Ljubo which sounded poisonous to me. If I did, I appologize in advance.

Well, get your facts right. I rarely comment on Ljubicic for a start, and when I do any throw away remarks, are just that, some banter. Apology accepted.

Still, I don't call someone a 'hater' just because of criticism. A good criticism is always welcome, but a line such as '..inspite of the likes of IL' doesn't actually sound like a positive criticism to me, more like a downright dismissal.

Again, it was a little dig at your sensitivity on the issue. :)

Speaking of looking crap, you should check Massu on BF right now, he is making Ljubicic's performance today look like Laver in his prime. :lol: (And no, I'm not a Massu "hater" either :p )

jazar
02-02-2007, 06:55 PM
from what i saw of it, neither of them could get near each others serves and ljubicic just went around the whole time looking completely uninterested, so basically no different from normal

tennismaster882001
02-02-2007, 07:02 PM
Well I've seen Ljubicic play alot, and even though I don't rate him (his Slam record speaks for itself), I've seen him play a hell of alot better in the past couple of years than today.

He was abysmal on return, partly due to some excellent serving from Johansson, but when he gave Ljubicic a returnable serve, be it on 1st or 2nd, Ljubicic was apalling.

He showed occasional signs of playing better, but never sustained it for more than a few points. On Johansson's part, when they got into rallies, he looked far more accomplished, which is what we would expect anyway, but Ljubicic held him at bay with some progressively excellent serving as the match went on.

As I said, I was surprised at how little Ljubicic was able or willing to feed off the crowd (who did their best to put Johansson off as you get from most home crowds), instead he was too often looking for line call excuses, when in truth he got more than his fair share of the 50/50 line calls today.

Ok, thanks, I thought so!

Fergie
02-02-2007, 08:46 PM
Ivan :woohoo:

RaVeR
02-02-2007, 08:59 PM
ljubo in terrible form :help::help::rolleyes:

Youzhny wil take him out :sad::sad:

Dimitra
02-02-2007, 09:03 PM
:yeah: I want Ivan-Marcos final! :)

Apemant
02-02-2007, 09:11 PM
from what i saw of it, neither of them could get near each others serves and ljubicic just went around the whole time looking completely uninterested, so basically no different from normal

Yeah he always looks like that, but I wouldn't mind that if he didn't net a whole crapload of FHs, and even some BHs on 2nd serve. I'm positive he can do better than that; why he doesn't, I have no clue whatsoever.

croat123
02-02-2007, 09:17 PM
ljubo's self confidence is really low. thank god he can use his serve to save matches like this one. hopefully he can pick up his level tomorrow

El Legenda
02-02-2007, 11:49 PM
ljubo's self confidence is really low.

its high...he said he is feeling good and happy to have his family watch him.

Langers
02-03-2007, 12:24 AM
Ljubicic. :o

So incredibly pathetic.

El Legenda
02-03-2007, 12:32 AM
Ljubicic. :o

So incredibly pathetic.

winning is pathetic :wavey:

Langers
02-03-2007, 12:38 AM
winning is pathetic :wavey:
Well in this case yes. It's Ljubicic for crying out loud.

Voo de Mar
02-03-2007, 12:45 AM
For Ljubicic the key to good results is to play well in the tie-breaks. In years 2002-2003 his tie-break record was appropriately 14-23 and 9-16 (many matches lost after TB in the 3rd) and he ended season at rank. 49 & 42.
In years 2005-2006 when he was in Top 10 by the end of the year his tie-break record was much better 22-17 & 20-20.
Holds serve and stays cool in TB's - this is the right method for him :yeah:

El Legenda
02-03-2007, 12:48 AM
being it great shape helps him..he can play 3 or 4 hours and be fine for the next day...he's been like that since he got his own trainer at end of 2004

Apemant
02-03-2007, 07:59 AM
For Ljubicic the key to good results is to play well in the tie-breaks. In years 2002-2003 his tie-break record was appropriately 14-23 and 9-16 (many matches lost after TB in the 3rd) and he ended season at rank. 49 & 42.
In years 2005-2006 when he was in Top 10 by the end of the year his tie-break record was much better 22-17 & 20-20.
Holds serve and stays cool in TB's - this is the right method for him :yeah:

Hmm 20-20 is not exactly an outstanding TB record...

Voo de Mar
02-03-2007, 08:05 AM
Hmm 20-20 is not exactly an outstanding TB record...

Yep, but 50% is clearly better than 37% or 36% from years 2002 or 2003 :)

Blue Heart24
02-03-2007, 08:23 AM
Ivan :woohoo:
He served amazing :yeah:
Today,it will be tough,but he can win if he serves that well

Apemant
02-03-2007, 01:11 PM
Yep, but 50% is clearly better than 37% or 36% from years 2002 or 2003 :)

In that case you might have said that poor TB record was the reason why he had bad results 3 years ago, not vice versa. :devil:

Most top players have positive TB records... so I don't think having a 20-20 one can be called the key to success. But you were kiddin anyway, right? :D

Voo de Mar
02-03-2007, 02:56 PM
In that case you might have said that poor TB record was the reason why he had bad results 3 years ago, not vice versa. :devil:

Most top players have positive TB records... so I don't think having a 20-20 one can be called the key to success. But you were kiddin anyway, right? :D

Not exactly. The issue is more complicated than it seems outwardly. I'm afraid my English isn't good enough to explain it clearly but I will try.
For example - last year, event in Chennai... In the semi-final Ljubicic saved a match point in tie-break and defeated Vliegen. Ljubo next day won the final when he also won TB - against Moya. After this tournament he was 3-0 in TB's. On a different way he could lost to Vliegen having TB's record 1-1 and less points on ATP ranking. Later that year he lost in Miami's final 6-7 6-7 6-7 to Federer. Ok, TB's record was deteriorated but that defeat was calculated and hasn't been affected on Ljubicic postition in ATP ranking. :wavey: