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Top ten after Wimbledon 2007

stroszek
02-02-2007, 01:27 PM
Yep, was bored so I worked out (guessed) what the top ten will look like after Wimbledon, taking into account points to defend etc, and with a margin for error. Bye-bye Ljubicic.

1 Federer____7985-8285
2 Nadal______4100-4700
3 Roddick____3605-3905
4 Gonzalez___3305-3605
5 Davydenko__3020-3470
6 Haas_______2485-2685
7 Blake______2400-2675
8 Robredo____2240-2420
9 Murray_____2185-2385
10 Nalbandian_1970-2270

Others:
11 Berdych____2000-2200
12 Gasquet___1980-2155
13 Djokovic___1945-2145
14 Ljubicic____1730-2045
15 Ancic______1705-2065

A_Skywalker
02-02-2007, 01:29 PM
Gonzalez will be 2nd or 3rd after Wimbledon

stroszek
02-02-2007, 01:40 PM
Gonzalez will be 2nd or 3rd after Wimbledon

A couple of big defeats for Nadal during the clay season and Gonzalez could go above him at Wimbledon, but I don't see it happening. Roddick's the more likelt challenger (to Nadal) IMO.

Xristos
02-02-2007, 01:51 PM
Gonzalez will be 2nd or 3rd after Wimbledon

No..

Loremaster
02-02-2007, 01:54 PM
I like you list it is very likely to happen

Andy will be no.3 after Wimbledon , he has no points to defend until Cincy
and he has in schedule to defend
- SF in San Jose
- nothing to defend in Memphis
- 3rd or 4th round in IW
- QF in Miami
- Houston
- QF in Rome
- nothing in Hamburg
- nothing in RG
- SF in Quenns
- 3rd at Wimby
- Final in Indy
- nothing in USA summer tournaments
- nothing in Canada

he can easily defend his points and make great runs in San Jose, Miami, Indian Wells, Quenns and Wimby. Also he can easily add some points in Hamburg and in FO (not much but 3rd or 4th round is possible - he has improved his backhand and cut down UE).
only two QF out of 4 TMS up to Wimby to defend
not even a final to defend

LJUBO OUT OF TOP10 YEAAAAAHHHH !!!! - I said it before season that he will be out of Top10 after RG and it will happen

ljubicic_
02-02-2007, 01:56 PM
I like you list it is very likely to happen

Andy will be no.3 after Wimbledon , he has no points to defend until Cincy
and he has in schedule to defend
- SF in San Jose
- nothing to defend in Memphis
- 3rd or 4th round in IW
- QF in Miami
- Houston
- QF in Rome
- nothing in Hamburg
- nothing in RG
- SF in Quenns
- 3rd at Wimby
- Final in Indy
- nothing in USA summer tournaments
- nothing in Canada

he can easily defend his points and make great runs in San Jose, Miami, Indian Wells, Quenns and Wimby. Also he can easily add some points in Hamburg and in FO (not much but 3rd or 4th round is possible - he has improved his backhand and cut down UE).
only two QF out of 4 TMS up to Wimby to defend
not even a final to defend

LJUBO OUT OF TOP10 YEAAAAAHHHH !!!! - I said it before season that he will be out of Top10 after RG and it will happen

How much years are you hoping that Ljubo will fall out of the top 10? :rolleyes: Grow up..Ljubo wil stay there a couple years

stroszek
02-02-2007, 02:02 PM
I like you list it is very likely to happen


Thanks, the only player I was generous to is Nalbandian, even then he only makes tenth place, other than that it's an unbiased list, so it shouldn't be too wrong.

Loremaster
02-02-2007, 02:06 PM
How much years are you hoping that Ljubo will fall out of the top 10? :rolleyes: Grow up..Ljubo wil stay there a couple years

I only say that he won't be Top10 after RG and it would be hard for him to get good draws in big tournaments because he will be playing Fed or Nadal early but maybe. And I hope he will stay outside Top10 as forever :devil:

He has big bald head and no heart some players outside Top30 have better Slams record :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
Mr. Invisible didn't win anything that matters (ok he won DS but on ATP and Slam level nothing ) maybe he can win MM tournaments but that's all.

Deathless Mortal
02-02-2007, 03:29 PM
I only say that he won't be Top10 after RG and it would be hard for him to get good draws in big tournaments because he will be playing Fed or Nadal early but maybe. And I hope he will stay outside Top10 as forever :devil:

He has big bald head and no heart some players outside Top30 have better Slams record :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
Mr. Invisible didn't win anything that matters (ok he won DS but on ATP and Slam level nothing ) maybe he can win MM tournaments but that's all.

:yeah: Polish players are much much better :haha: :lol:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-02-2007, 03:44 PM
Gonzo World No2????

must be a dream.... :angel:

Apemant
02-02-2007, 03:45 PM
Argh not another pointless Ljubo debate. Leave the man at peace

Jimnik
02-02-2007, 04:02 PM
Yep, was bored so I worked out (guessed) what the top ten will look like after Wimbledon, taking into account points to defend etc, and with a margin for error. Bye-bye Ljubicic.

1 Federer____7985-8285
2 Nadal______3600-4200
3 Roddick____3605-3905
4 Gonzalez___3305-3605
5 Davydenko__3020-3470
6 Haas_______2485-2685
7 Blake______2400-2675
8 Robredo____2240-2420
9 Murray_____2185-2385
10 Nalbandian_1970-2270

Others:
11 Berdych____2000-2200
12 Gasquet___1980-2155
13 Djokovic___1945-2145
14 Ljubicic____1730-2045
15 Ancic______1665-2025
For sure it's hard to predict this but do you really that Nadal will lose again in the first round of Miami and also fail to defend his MC, Rome and RG titles? You also think he'll withdraw from Hamburg again?

Personally I doubt it. The only thing he'll fail to defend IMO is Dubai, but he'll still reach the quarters or semis.

Also, I think you're underestimating Ancic.

Loremaster
02-02-2007, 04:16 PM
:yeah: Polish players are much much better :haha: :lol:

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Yeah great argumentation in which Polish players are conntected with Ljubo being out of Top10 ?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Maybe you will think about something wiser

tennismaster882001
02-02-2007, 04:47 PM
He has big bald head and no heart some players outside Top30 have better Slams record :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

I'm sure you look like a model or something!:rolleyes:
Grow up!

ljubicic_
02-02-2007, 04:49 PM
I'm sure you look like a model or something!:rolleyes:
Grow up!

:worship: i know 100% that Ljubo looks bether than that Polish guy

stroszek
02-02-2007, 05:14 PM
For sure it's hard to predict this but do you really that Nadal will lose again in the first round of Miami and also fail to defend his MC, Rome and RG titles? You also think he'll withdraw from Hamburg again?

Personally I doubt it. The only thing he'll fail to defend IMO is Dubai, but he'll still reach the quarters or semis.

Also, I think you're underestimating Ancic.

I think he will probably defend his Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome and RG titles, but I don't think he'll defend his Wimbledon or Dubai points or make a big splash at Indian Wells or Miami. He could finish Wimbledon with more than 4200 points if he does the clean sweep of clay titles and makes the semis of Wimbledon and the finals of Indian Wells or Miami, but I don't think he will do all that. Do you think he'll play Hamburg this year?

stroszek
02-02-2007, 05:18 PM
About Ancic, I had him down as getting as many or more points than Murray during this period, but he doesn't have many points since last Wimbledon to build on, which leaves hin in 15th or so, actually I think he'll be above Ljubicic in 14th.

guga2120
02-02-2007, 05:20 PM
I think Nadal will lose points,as great as he is on clay, i doubt he can sweep it again b/c of Roger, but he will certainly stay #2.

Jimnik
02-02-2007, 05:22 PM
I think he will probably defend his Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome and RG titles, but I don't think he'll defend his Wimbledon or Dubai points or make a big splash at Indian Wells or Miami. He could finish Wimbledon with more than 4200 points if he does the clean sweep of clay titles and makes the semis of Wimbledon and the finals of Indian Wells or Miami, but I don't think he will do all that. Do you think he'll play Hamburg this year?
Absolutely. Especially now that all the top 8 players get byes into the 2nd round. Also, with the Rome final being best of 3 sets, he really has no excuse to miss it this year.

stroszek
02-02-2007, 05:25 PM
Absolutely. Especially now that all the top 8 players get byes into the 2nd round. Also, with the Rome final being best of 3 sets, he really has no excuse to miss it this year.

In that case, I'll give him another 500 points, I forgot the best of three finals.:)

guga2120
02-02-2007, 05:26 PM
Rome and Monte Carlo are 3 set finals? Well then he might not lose any points.

Apemant
02-02-2007, 05:34 PM
Rome and Monte Carlo are 3 set finals? Well then he might not lose any points.

I don't get this... how does best of 3 benefit Rafa? Since he often wears the opposition down, best of 5 gives him more time for that. In a best of 3, someone might be inspired for 2 hours and squeeze a win.

guga2120
02-02-2007, 05:39 PM
I don't get this... how does best of 3 benefit Rafa? Since he often wears the opposition down, best of 5 gives him more time for that. In a best of 3, someone might be inspired for 2 hours and squeeze a win.

Best of the 3 doesn't benefit him, but now he might play Hamburg.

stroszek
02-02-2007, 05:42 PM
I don't get this... how does best of 3 benefit Rafa? Since he often wears the opposition down, best of 5 gives him more time for that. In a best of 3, someone might be inspired for 2 hours and squeeze a win.

The best of three Rome final benefits Rafa because it means that he will still be fresh enough to play Rome the next week, even if it makes it slightly more likely that he could lose the final.

Action Jackson
02-02-2007, 05:44 PM
1. Oscar Hernandez
2. Behrend
3. Dlouhy
4. Hartfield
5. Niko Karagiannis
6, Lisnard
7. Koellerer
8. Ghem
9. Dustin Brown
10. Jamie Murray

stroszek
02-02-2007, 05:56 PM
1. Oscar Hernandez
2. Behrend
3. Dlouhy
4. Hartfield
5. Niko Karagiannis
6, Lisnard
7. Koellerer
8. Ghem
9. Dustin Brown
10. Jamie Murray

Not mathematically possible.

RickDaStick
02-02-2007, 05:59 PM
some of you people are freaking obsessed with Ljubo. He has been top 10 for awhile now, deal with it you little babies.

Action Jackson
02-02-2007, 06:01 PM
some of you people are freaking obsessed with Ljubo. He has been top 10 for awhile not, deal with it you little babies.

Nah, he bought those points at the supermarket, according to some :p

ezekiel
02-02-2007, 06:19 PM
Yep, was bored so I worked out (guessed) what the top ten will look like after Wimbledon, taking into account points to defend etc, and with a margin for error. Bye-bye Ljubicic.

1 Federer____7985-8285
2 Nadal______4100-4700
3 Roddick____3605-3905
4 Gonzalez___3305-3605
5 Davydenko__3020-3470
6 Haas_______2485-2685
7 Blake______2400-2675
8 Robredo____2240-2420
9 Murray_____2185-2385
10 Nalbandian_1970-2270

Others:
11 Berdych____2000-2200
12 Gasquet___1980-2155
13 Djokovic___1945-2145
14 Ljubicic____1730-2045
15 Ancic______1705-2065

Djokovic has lots of points to gain in masters events especially now that he is ranked close to top 10. Just think , all points in Dubai , 1st or 2nd round in Indian Wells/Miami, 1st round in Monte Carlo, didn't qualify for Rome, 2nd Round Hamburg . Even after W there is tons of points to pick at Canada, Cinci 2nd round and Paris 1 st round. He should really be advancing a lot in months ahead and top 10 is very close by and I doubt Andy M passes him by ;)

ezekiel
02-02-2007, 06:32 PM
I only say that he won't be Top10 after RG and it would be hard for him to get good draws in big tournaments because he will be playing Fed or Nadal early but maybe. And I hope he will stay outside Top10 as forever :devil:

He has big bald head and no heart some players outside Top30 have better Slams record :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
Mr. Invisible didn't win anything that matters (ok he won DS but on ATP and Slam level nothing ) maybe he can win MM tournaments but that's all.

If Ivan loses 1st round at RG which is very possible it will mean 3 straight 1st round slam exits and then he will go to W , his worst slam . I don't see him top 10 this year as he seems slower than ever and his ground strokes just don't cut it . It'll be good for him to finnish top 20

stroszek
02-02-2007, 06:34 PM
Djokovic has lots of points to gain in masters events especially now that he is ranked close to top 10. Just think , all points in Dubai , 1st or 2nd round in Indian Wells/Miami, 1st round in Monte Carlo, didn't qualify for Rome, 2nd Round Hamburg . Even after W there is tons of points to pick at Canada, Cinci 2nd round and Paris 1 st round. He should really be advancing a lot in months ahead and top 10 is very close by and I doubt Andy M passes him by ;)

I think Murray and Djokovic will be more or less neck and neck until the French Open, when Murray will open up a gap of about 200 points, due to having 250 less points to defend at RG. Djokovic could well be 10th after Wimbledon instead of 13th, you can see from the list how tight it is between Nalbandian, Berdych, Gasquet and Djokovic, any one could take the 10th spot. I hope Murray, Djokovic and Nalbandian all make TMC Shanghai, but it will be hard for all three to squeeze into the top 8.

ezekiel
02-02-2007, 06:41 PM
I think Murray and Djokovic will be more or less neck and neck until the French Open, when Murray will open up a gap of about 200 points, due to having 250 less points to defend at RG. Djokovic could well be 10th after Wimbledon instead of 13th, you can see from the list how tight it is between Nalbandian, Berdych, Gasquet and Djokovic, any one could take the 10th spot. I hope Murray, Djokovic and Nalbandian all make TMC Shanghai, but it will be hard for all three to squeeze into the top 8.


Novak has been constantly ahead of Andy by a hair except for short time when the latter got a lot wildcards early last year . Andy still has to prove that he can play on clay while Novak has proven to be well rounded and as for Novak , he's got so many points to pick up at masters events it's mind boggling so I expect him to enter top 10 as early as Miami but no later than RG save for unforeseen injuries

stroszek
02-02-2007, 06:48 PM
Novak has been constantly ahead of Andy by a hair except for short time when the latter got a lot wildcards early last year . Andy still has to prove that he can play on clay while Novak has proven to be well rounded and as for Novak , he's got so many points to pick up at masters events it's mind boggling so I expect him to enter top 10 as early as Miami but no later than RG save for unforeseen injuries

I hope you're right, Nole's my second favourite player;) but don't forget that if you add up the points Murray has to defend at Indian Wells, Miami, Monte Carlo, Rome, Hamburg and Roland Garros, the total is 75! But yeah, Djokovic is better on clay, but I still think Murray will be above him after Wimbledon.

Jimnik
02-02-2007, 07:11 PM
Novak has been constantly ahead of Andy by a hair except for short time when the latter got a lot wildcards early last year . Andy still has to prove that he can play on clay while Novak has proven to be well rounded and as for Novak , he's got so many points to pick up at masters events it's mind boggling so I expect him to enter top 10 as early as Miami but no later than RG save for unforeseen injuries
Not any more. Andy will overtake him when the rankings come out on Monday.

ezekiel
02-02-2007, 08:47 PM
Not any more. Andy will overtake him when the rankings come out on Monday.

neither is playing this or next week so Novak has some points coming off but then Andy will be defending his one and only title in San Jose and could again fall back ;)

sunsfuns
02-02-2007, 09:45 PM
Just to inform everybody - Nadal is skipping Miami (according to his official website). Also I don't think he will defend all of his clay points. Roger will win at least one if not two major clay tournaments. So Gonzalez or Roddick at #2 after Wimbledon is a realistic possibility. I would say 40% chance of that happening

uglyamerican
02-02-2007, 09:59 PM
I've been working on some numbers as well...

1 Federer
2 Nadal
3 Davydenko
4 Gonzalez
5 Roddick
6 Gasquet 3230
7 Robredo 2845
8 Blake 2455
9 Berdych 2305
10 Haas 2270
11 Djokovic 2200
12 Ancic 2135

We're pretty close. You're giving too many points to Murray, not enough to Gasquet.

stroszek
02-02-2007, 10:32 PM
You've given Gasquet more than 1000 points more than me, I don't see where they're going to come from. I might have given Murray and Nalbandian too many points, if Nalbandian doesn't find form he could be on the edge of the top 16 but I think he's a great player and will pick up some big points in a couple of the big events.

I'll dig this thread up after Wimbledon to see who's closer, and to see if there's someone who surprises us both.

scoobs
02-02-2007, 10:41 PM
I'm hoping and expecting Murray to be securely in the top 10 by the end of Wimbledon. People seem to assume Murray can't play on clay in spite of him spending 2 years training on the surface in Barcelona. His results in his 1 full season on clay last year were less than spectacular, coming as it did immediately after he dropped his coach and an injury that hampered his preparation, then a resurfacing of cramping issues. He played the entire clay run without a coach and seemed lost out there most of the time. This year he has a coach and his fitness is vastly improved - he has a prime opportunity to gain points in a very dry spell from after San Jose to just before Wimbledon, including 5 AMS events and one slam.

Time will tell.

I think Nalbandian will sneak back in although it won't be easy with SF to defend at Indian Wells and Rome and Roland Garros.

Not at all persuaded by Gasquet yet - has he sorted his fitness out and his mental focus in long tough matches? I don't see him getting much further just yet.

Djokovic will be there or thereabouts - he also has a dry spell from now until RG to gain some nice points in - he only has QF in Rotterdam to defend of any value until then.

It's going to be pretty crowded around the 7-14 mark - there's an awful lot of people who are currently in a position to be in the top 10 - I expect there to be a lot of changing around for a while.

stroszek
02-02-2007, 11:00 PM
Thanks for the reply scoobs, I'm dasein from KOC btw, I posted this here because it's more of an MTF thread than a KOC thread, you might agree. I'm sure Murray will do well on clay this year, he can only gain points anyway, last 16 at RG would be nice.

scoobs
02-02-2007, 11:11 PM
:yeah: nice to see you here.

Ljubicic will be staying put in the top 10, I think - just - though he does have QF Indian Wells, F Miami, QF Monte Carlo and SF Roland Garros to defend as well as W in Zagreb. It could be tough for him. If he does stay in, it'll likely be around where he is now, 7-9. If he slips out it's likely to be after RG - I don't give him a snowball's chance in hell of defending SF points at RG - I doubt he'll get a cakewalk draw this year too.

Robredo - well he could, then he couldn't. I think he's vulnerable, personally. Blake will still be around, I think - Finals of Indian Wells aside, QFs in Miami and a W in Las Vegas he's not defending an awful lot until Queens.

stroszek
02-02-2007, 11:28 PM
I think Robredo will fairly comfortably stay in the top ten in this period, he has a lot of points since last Wimbledon, but I don't think he'll make Shanghai. Blake is very comfortable, he has 1725 points since last Wimbledon, the soonest he could likely drop out of the top ten is after Shanghai, whether he makes it or not.

I'm pretty certain Ljubicic will be out of the top ten after RG, but there's no reason why he can't climb back up later in the year, he won't have as many points to defend as the players around him.

vincayou
02-02-2007, 11:50 PM
You've given Gasquet more than 1000 points more than me, I don't see where they're going to come from. I might have given Murray and Nalbandian too many points, if Nalbandian doesn't find form he could be on the edge of the top 16 but I think he's a great player and will pick up some big points in a couple of the big events.

I'll dig this thread up after Wimbledon to see who's closer, and to see if there's someone who surprises us both.

Last year, Richie scored 300 points between now and the end of Wimbledon, mainly because of different injuries which made him miss the clay season (not to mention a first round against Federer at Wimbledon)

In 2005, he scored 1250 points in the same period and he didn't even played in february (chicken pox). Basically 1000 more points. If we consider he performs like 2 years ago (and his fan certainly hope he has improved), he's at 2550 at the end of Wimbledon.

Merton
02-03-2007, 12:36 AM
Rankings and points are secondary at this point, the youngsters face specific challenges in terms of improving their game.

ezekiel
02-03-2007, 12:36 AM
I've been working on some numbers as well...

1 Federer
2 Nadal
3 Davydenko
4 Gonzalez
5 Roddick
6 Gasquet 3230
7 Robredo 2845
8 Blake 2455
9 Berdych 2305
10 Haas 2270
11 Djokovic 2200
12 Ancic 2135

We're pretty close. You're giving too many points to Murray, not enough to Gasquet.


So basically you think that Gasquet will overtake Novak by more than a 1000 points from now and that Novak will pick only 500 pts in Dubai,Miami, Indian Wells, MC, Rome & Hamburg :rolleyes:
Just tell me you are being sarcastic so that we can all laugh :D

Merton
02-03-2007, 12:40 AM
So basically you think that Gasquet will overtake Novak by more than a 1000 points from now and that Novak will pick only 500 pts in Dubai,Miami, Indian Wells, MC, Rome & Hamburg :rolleyes:
Just tell me you are being sarcastic so that we can all laugh :D

This is a perfect example of my point, if Djokovic wins Miami winning against 3top-10 players on his way, it would signal progress even if he lost in the 1st round of all other tournaments mentioned.

casabe
02-03-2007, 12:53 AM
ok imagine two years ago the same situation...Nadal 60-40 # in the world. Would you have put him in the 2nd spot? After wimbledon 2005 he was #2 and in this moment of the year he was loosing in Buenos Aires against RG champion Gaston Gaudio....WOW those days....

El Legenda
02-03-2007, 12:58 AM
top 10 after Wimbledons doesnt anything..its all about how you finish...Ljubicic has nothing to defend at the last 2 GS and 2 AMS(indoor)

also Ivan can get to 4th or QF at FO and QF at Wimbledon...and it will pretty much even out.

Merton
02-03-2007, 01:14 AM
top 10 after Wimbledons doesnt anything..its all about how you finish...Ljubicic has nothing to defend at the last 2 GS and 2 AMS(indoor)

also Ivan can get to 4th or QF at FO and QF at Wimbledon...and it will pretty much even out.

Agree, the challenge for him will be to qualify for the TMC.

El Legenda
02-03-2007, 01:16 AM
Agree, the challenge for him will be to qualify for the TMC.

players 3-10 are all really ranked the same. :lol: all know they wont be 1 or 2 for some time and all let each other spend same time at 3 and than go back and forth from 3-10

Loremaster
02-03-2007, 05:39 PM
:worship: i know 100% that Ljubo looks bether than that Polish guy

You wanna bet ?? :rolleyes:

Jlee
02-03-2007, 09:54 PM
1. Federer (winner of RG and Wimbly)
2. Nadal (though he will only final at the French and won't get to the semis of Wimbledon IMO)
3. Roddick (Wimbledon final or semis, depending if he's on Roger's half)
4. Davydenko
5. Gonzalez
6. Blake
7. Ancic
8. Murray
9. Ljubicic
10. Baghdatis

:shrug: