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One trick pony Karlovic smashed by Llodra 6-4 7-6(10-8)

Hugh Jaas
02-01-2007, 04:46 PM
Imagine if he didn't hit 20+ aces a match he probably wouldn't be a futures level player. Pathetic performance, an insult to the game.

Fergie
02-01-2007, 04:51 PM
Ivo :retard:

Iván
02-01-2007, 04:53 PM
Max Mirny playing at best level against Karlovic playing at best level who would win?

Deathless Mortal
02-01-2007, 04:53 PM
Few days ago he was "the only player who can stop Federer" and now he is :retard: :lol:

scoobs
02-01-2007, 04:54 PM
If anyone has a spare backhand they're not using, can they loan it to Ivo Karlovic. Just sent it c/o the Croatian Davis Cup team - he may need it for the tie in Germany. Thanks

*kisses*

Beforehand
02-01-2007, 05:00 PM
Tell us what you really think, Hugh.

ljubicic_
02-01-2007, 05:03 PM
Ivo:hug:

Well done Llodra:yeah: he deserved to win, he was calm and waited to strike!
Good luck in you're next matcj;0

Sjengster
02-01-2007, 05:04 PM
My, what a shocking result.

GlennMirnyi
02-01-2007, 05:04 PM
Max Mirny playing at best level against Karlovic playing at best level who would win?

Mirnyi got to #18 of the world, joker.

Beforehand
02-01-2007, 05:07 PM
My, what a shocking result.
:lol:

<3

Horatio Caine
02-01-2007, 05:08 PM
Max Mirny playing at best level against Karlovic playing at best level who would win?

It would probably still be 50/50 as Karlo can hold serve 95% of the time :p

You'd have to give the very slight edge to Mirnyi as he has the better return...

Sjengster
02-01-2007, 05:11 PM
They played at Wimbledon in 2003 after Karlovic had beaten Hewitt in the opening round and Mirners emerged the victor in four tight sets. I cannot understand the horror, the disgust, the surprise at this defeat, though. How exactly is losing 4 and 6 to a player with a good serve-volley game an insult to tennis? As a standout doubles player one would expect Llodra to play well against big servers, these simple tactics of serve-volley/return/pass are what he is familiar with.

nanoman
02-01-2007, 05:17 PM
They played at Wimbledon in 2003 after Karlovic had beaten Hewitt in the opening round and Mirners emerged the victor in four tight sets. I cannot understand the horror, the disgust, the surprise at this defeat, though. How exactly is losing 4 and 6 to a player with a good serve-volley game an insult to tennis? As a standout doubles player one would expect Llodra to play well against big servers, these simple tactics of serve-volley/return/pass are what he is familiar with.

Did you watch ? Our friendly giant only made 2 points off Llodra's serve in the entire 2nd set.:)

ljubicic_
02-01-2007, 05:18 PM
Karlovic defeated Mirnyi last year easily in i think it wass Barcelona

Deathless Mortal
02-01-2007, 05:20 PM
They played at Wimbledon in 2003 after Karlovic had beaten Hewitt in the opening round and Mirners emerged the victor in four tight sets. I cannot understand the horror, the disgust, the surprise at this defeat, though. How exactly is losing 4 and 6 to a player with a good serve-volley game an insult to tennis? As a standout doubles player one would expect Llodra to play well against big servers, these simple tactics of serve-volley/return/pass are what he is familiar with.

:yeah:

Sjengster
02-01-2007, 05:22 PM
Did you watch ? Our friendly giant only made 2 points off Llodra's serve in the entire 2nd set.:)

No I didn't, but again, it's not THAT much of a shock. :confused: Llodra's good swinging lefty serve + Karlovic's awful return, particularly on the backhand side = rather poor statistics for the big man. But hey, he must have managed to put some returns in when he beat Hewitt twice on grass, Roddick indoors and Davydenko on clay, surely?

scoobs
02-01-2007, 05:26 PM
Karlovic's entire backhand wing was woeful today, not just on return of serve. Unacceptably poor - all Llodra had to do was serve out to it and then ghost in for the inevitable high floaty return - if the ball was even coming back into court.

What's the good of having a huge serve if it's attached to a groundstroke game that a 9 year old blind girl would be embarrassed to admit to?

Sjengster
02-01-2007, 05:29 PM
I've seen him play some very good groundstrokes in the past, when he had the above mentioned wins, so he's not always terrible. You can always guarantee there'll be one thread every year declaring Karlovic the death of tennis, even outside grass-court season, as if he was dominating the tour and no-one could stop him, when he's simply a 60-100 ranked player without a title and only one final to his name.

Iván
02-01-2007, 05:30 PM
If Karlovic can get a good coach and practice like mad he would be a very hard player to beat.

He must work on all aspects of his game...not just his serve.

I know some people say players should play to their strenghts..case in being the serve but if karlo can improve his groundstrokes he would be a awesome player.

nanoman
02-01-2007, 05:30 PM
Karlovic's entire backhand wing was woeful today, not just on return of serve. Unacceptably poor - all Llodra had to do was serve out to it and then ghost in for the inevitable high floaty return - if the ball was even coming back into court.

What's the good of having a huge serve if it's attached to a groundstroke game that a 9 year old blind girl would be embarrassed to admit to?

Exactly. Karlovic had plenty of chances to pass, but wasted all of them but 1.

Deathless Mortal
02-01-2007, 05:34 PM
Karlovic was injured, and now he's coming back...

*Ljubica*
02-01-2007, 05:40 PM
Oh my :yawn: I would never have watched that if I wasn't off sick from work and pretty much confined to the house with nothing else to do. Two big servers on a fast court :unsure: Not sure they have aided or hindered my recovery!

scoobs
02-01-2007, 05:45 PM
He may want to go back and retrieve his backhand then - it seems to have regressed.

jayjay
02-01-2007, 06:55 PM
Mirnyi got to #18 of the world, joker.

And then he got a nose bleed.

kobulingam
02-01-2007, 07:44 PM
Max Mirny playing at best level against Karlovic playing at best level who would win?


The beast would straight set Dr. Ivo. Beast can chip and charge and Ivo has no passing shots.

RickDaStick
02-01-2007, 07:50 PM
The beast would straight set Dr. Ivo. Beast can chip and charge and Ivo has no passing shots.

Yes because im sure he would have no problem doing the chip and charge on 135mph serves coming down on him.

Hugh Jaas
02-01-2007, 07:52 PM
If Karlovic can get a good coach and practice like mad he would be a very hard player to beat.

He must work on all aspects of his game...not just his serve.

I know some people say players should play to their strengths.case in being the serve but if karlo can improve his ground strokes he would be a awesome player.

You could say that about every player on the tour.

Because he is excessively tall+top heavy he is injury prone so he Can never put together a serous challenge on the rankings.

He should stick to bullying inexperienced Challenger level players with his ace-after-ace-after............................................. .................................................. .....

jazar
02-01-2007, 08:37 PM
He should stick to bullying inexperienced Challenger level players with his ace-after-ace-after............................................. .................................................. .....

even then he is in the shit if they get his serve back. a friend of mine who is about 850 in the rankings played him a couple of weeks after he beat hewitt at wimbledon (and my mate was ranked about 1150 then) and only lost 6-4, 6-4.
all you have to do is make sure you get the serve back and make sure he doesnt get to the net (cos of his amazing wingspan), as he has virtually no groundstrokes

Blue Heart24
02-01-2007, 08:56 PM
Ivo :ras:

Yappa
02-01-2007, 09:22 PM
I watched the 2nd set and Llodra made some nice bh passing shots. :yeah:
The best groundstrokes I ever saw from Karlovic was in his match against Haas in Munich. Ok, we know that Haas is horrible on clay, but Karlovic had some amazing fh shots.

ASP0315
02-01-2007, 10:37 PM
Karlo :o Nice fight in 2nd set TB tough.
Congrats to llodra. It's been long time since he is winning in singles.

The beast would straight set Dr. Ivo. Beast can chip and charge and Ivo has no passing shots.

Actually i like both guys
You are wrong. Karlo will beat him easily. :devil: H2H against Mirnyi is 2-1 . Thier last meeting was in Barcelona. Ivo won it very easily 6-3 6-4. Miryni won against him at Wimbledon 2003 when ivo was playing his wimby for the first time. Miryni is a totally a different player now in singles than in 2003.

SwiSha
02-01-2007, 10:44 PM
Did you watch ? Our friendly giant only made 2 points off Llodra's serve in the entire 2nd set.:)

so?? thats his game holding serve and winning TBs

SwiSha
02-01-2007, 10:47 PM
overall not a shocking result and everyone who thinks this was an insult to tennis..

don't watch him play in the future then and move on to the other games geez

ASP0315
02-01-2007, 10:50 PM
I watched the 2nd set and Llodra made some nice bh passing shots. :yeah:
The best groundstrokes I ever saw from Karlovic was in his match against Haas in Munich. Ok, we know that Haas is horrible on clay, but Karlovic had some amazing fh shots.

Haas is horrible on clay??:confused. He got a pretty decent record on clay. If you compare it with Ivo's clay record haas has got a good record.
He reached finals in Rome 2002, reached finals in Munich and won Houston a couple of times.


Karlovic had beaten him both times on clay. :devil:
I truly believe Karlovic can play much better on clay than these superfast synthetic surfaces. Bounces on clay are much different and his returns will improve.

bavaria100
02-01-2007, 10:53 PM
Karlovic defeated Mirnyi last year easily in i think it wass Barcelona

Well, that was in April and Max played awful Tennis until Hamburg. :lol: This is no excuse, but Max really struggled in the first 4 months of the season and his win/loss record of 4-10 confirmed that. He even lost 0 and 1 against Soderling in Memphis.

TMJordan
02-01-2007, 10:54 PM
Allez Mika!

yakuzaninja
02-01-2007, 11:14 PM
Haas horrible on clay? He won Houston, the greatest clay court tournament ever better than RG, he's no clown.

ASP0315
02-01-2007, 11:18 PM
Haas horrible on clay? He won Houston, the greatest clay court tournament ever better than RG, he's no clown.

Houston clay tournament sucks. :o

yakuzaninja
02-01-2007, 11:22 PM
Houston clay tournament sucks. :o

Sarcasm is awesome.

silverwhite
02-01-2007, 11:25 PM
Mika :banana:

ASP0315
02-02-2007, 02:27 AM
Well, that was in April and Max played awful Tennis until Hamburg. :lol: This is no excuse, but Max really struggled in the first 4 months of the season and his win/loss record of 4-10 confirmed that. He even lost 0 and 1 against Soderling in Memphis.

Well bavaria, Max's main focus is on doubles. His major concentration is on that. Singles is his second preference. you should give him some credit for playing singles despite bieng a doubles specialist.
He beat players like Guga and JCF on clay. Plus in doubles he is unstopple at French. :) So he should be proud of his achievements in singles.

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2007, 03:57 AM
And then he got a nose bleed.

Are you still that bitter you lost the DC? Get over it man, life goes on.
:lol:

Deboogle!.
02-02-2007, 04:25 AM
If Karlovic can get a good coach and practice like mad he would be a very hard player to beat.

He must work on all aspects of his game...not just his serve.

I know some people say players should play to their strenghts..case in being the serve but if karlo can improve his groundstrokes he would be a awesome player.He had been working with Tarik Benhabiles, a very capable coach.

SwissMister1
02-02-2007, 05:23 AM
Mickael likes as fast of a surface as possible and actually possesses a backhand (he hits some really nice ones sometimes), two things that help.

leng jai
02-02-2007, 05:44 AM
If Haas is horrible on clay, what is James Blake?