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SLAM FINALS.#Which players perform best on big stage?*[FEDs ridiculous conversion]

CmonAussie
01-31-2007, 10:24 AM
Record in Slam Finals [Wins:D - Losses:sad: ]

Current generation

Federer: 12-2 :worship:
Kuerten: 3-0
Nadal: 3-2
Hewitt: 2-2 :devil:
Safin: 2-2
Moya: 1-1
Roddick: 1-3 :p
Ferrero: 1-2


Old boys

Sampras: 14-4
Laver: 11-6
Borg: 11-5
Connors: 8-7
Agassi: 8-7 ;)
Lendl: 8-11 :eek:
Newcombe: 7-3 :cool:
McEnroe: 7-4
Wilander: 7-4
Becker: 6-4
Edberg: 6-5
Courier: 4-3
Vilas: 4-4




#@@#...>>> Do you think Federer can maintain such an unbelievable strike rate in Grand Slam Finals:confused: :confused:? .. [what will Fed`s record in Slam Finals be at the end of his career?]
Will Nadal continue to do well & win most of his finals???
What about the not so young balls like Hewitt, Roddick, Safin~> will they ever win Slam Finals again:confused:?

thesupreme
01-31-2007, 11:06 AM
I cant front, thats incredible! :eek: You could arguably say thats one of the greatest indicators of who are the best of all time (Sampras & Federer)....

CmonAussie
01-31-2007, 11:30 AM
Federer`s amazing record

Wins (10)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
2003 Wimbledon Mark Philippoussis 7-6(5), 6-2, 7-6(3)
2004 Australian Open Marat Safin 7-6(3), 6-4, 6-2
2004 Wimbledon (2) Andy Roddick 4-6, 7-5, 7-6(3), 6-4
2004 U.S. Open Lleyton Hewitt 6-0, 7-6(3), 6-0
2005 Wimbledon (3) Andy Roddick 6-2, 7-6(2), 6-4
2005 U.S. Open (2) Andre Agassi 6-3, 2-6, 7-6(1), 6-1
2006 Australian Open (2) Marcos Baghdatis 5-7, 7-5, 6-0, 6-2
2006 Wimbledon (4) Rafael Nadal 6-0, 7-6(5), 6-7(2), 6-3
2006 U.S. Open (3) Andy Roddick 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1
2007 Australian Open (3) Fernando González 7-6(2), 6-4, 6-4


[edit] Runner-ups (1)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
2006 French Open Rafael Nadal 1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6(4)



Sampras`s amazing record

[edit] Wins (14)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1990 U.S. Open Andre Agassi 6-4, 6-3, 6-2
1993 Wimbledon Jim Courier 7-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-3
1993 U.S. Open (2) Cédric Pioline 6-4, 6-4, 6-3
1994 Australian Open Todd Martin 7-6, 6-4, 6-4
1994 Wimbledon (2) Goran Ivanišević 7-6, 7-6, 6-0
1995 Wimbledon (3) Boris Becker 6-7, 6-2, 6-4, 6-2
1995 U.S. Open (3) Andre Agassi 6-4, 6-3, 4-6, 7-5
1996 U.S. Open (4) Michael Chang 6-1, 6-4, 7-6
1997 Australian Open (2) Carlos Moyá 6-2, 6-3, 6-3
1997 Wimbledon (4) Cédric Pioline 6-4, 6-2, 6-4
1998 Wimbledon (5) Goran Ivanišević 6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 3-6, 6-2
1999 Wimbledon (6) Andre Agassi 6-3, 6-4, 7-5
2000 Wimbledon (7) Patrick Rafter 6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2
2002 U.S. Open (5) Andre Agassi 6-3, 6-4, 5-7, 6-4


[edit] Runners-up (4)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1992 U.S. Open Stefan Edberg 3-6, 6-4, 7-6, 6-2
1995 Australian Open Andre Agassi 4-6, 6-1, 7-6, 6-4
2000 U.S. Open Marat Safin 6-4, 6-3, 6-3
2001 U.S. Open Lleyton Hewitt 7-6, 6-1, 6-1


Laver`s amazing record

Wins (11)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1960 Australian Championships Neale Fraser 5-7, 3-6, 6-3, 8-6, 8-6
1961 Wimbledon Championships Chuck McKinley 6-3, 6-1, 6-4
1962 Australian Championships (2) Roy Emerson 8-6, 0-6, 6-4, 6-4
1962 French Championships Roy Emerson 3-6, 2-6, 6-3, 9-7, 6-2
1962 Wimbledon Championships (2) Marty Mulligan 6-2, 6-2, 6-1
1962 U.S. Championships Roy Emerson 6-2, 6-4, 5-7, 6-4
Open Era:
1968 Wimbledon (2) Tony Roche 6-3, 6-4, 6-2
1969 Australian Open (3) Andres Gimeno 6-3, 6-4, 7-5
1969 French Open (2) Ken Rosewall 6-4, 6-3, 6-4
1969 Wimbledon (4) John Newcombe 6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 6-4
1969 U.S. Open (2) Tony Roche 7-9, 6-1, 6-2, 6-2


[edit] Runner-ups (6)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1959 Wimbledon Championships Alex Olmedo 6-4, 6-3, 6-4
1960 Wimbledon Championships Neale Fraser 6-4, 3-6, 9-7, 7-5
1960 U.S. Championships Neale Fraser 6-4, 6-4, 9-7
1961 Australian Championships Roy Emerson 1-6, 6-3, 7-5, 6-4
1961 U.S. Championships Roy Emerson 7-5, 6-3, 6-2
Open Era:
1968 French Open Ken Rosewall 6-3, 6-1, 2-6, 6-2


Lendl`s poor record

Wins (8)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1984 French Open John McEnroe 3-6, 2-6, 6-4, 7-5, 7-5
1985 U.S. Open John McEnroe 7-6, 6-3, 6-4
1986 French Open (2) Mikael Pernfors 6-3, 6-2, 6-4
1986 U.S. Open (2) Miloslav Mečíř 6-4, 6-2, 6-0
1987 French Open (3) Mats Wilander 7-5, 6-2, 3-6, 7-6
1987 U.S. Open (3) Mats Wilander 6-7, 6-0, 7-6, 6-4
1989 Australian Open Miloslav Mečíř 6-2, 6-2, 6-2
1990 Australian Open (2) Stefan Edberg 4-6, 7-6, 5-2 ret.


[edit] Runner-ups (11)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1981 French Open Björn Borg 6-1, 4-6, 6-2, 3-6, 6-2
1982 U.S. Open Jimmy Connors 6-3, 6-2, 4-6, 6-4
1983 Australian Open Mats Wilander 6-1, 6-4, 6-4
1983 U.S. Open (2) Jimmy Connors 6-3, 6-7, 7-5, 6-0
1984 U.S. Open (3) John McEnroe 6-3, 6-4, 6-1
1985 French Open (2) Mats Wilander 3-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
1986 Wimbledon Boris Becker 6-4, 6-3, 7-5
1987 Wimbledon (2) Pat Cash 7-6, 6-2, 7-5
1988 U.S. Open (4) Mats Wilander 6-4, 4-6, 6-3, 5-7, 6-4
1989 U.S. Open (5) Boris Becker 7-6, 1-6, 6-3, 7-6
1991 Australian Open (2) Boris Becker 1-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4

CmonAussie
01-31-2007, 12:11 PM
I cant front, thats incredible! :eek: You could arguably say thats one of the greatest indicators of who are the best of all time (Sampras & Federer)....

:wavey:
Rod Laver`s record in slam finals wasn`t as impressive as either Federer`s or Sampras`s but Laver won 4-in-a-row twice:worship: .. Surely that puts Rod up there too;)

Jimnik
01-31-2007, 12:37 PM
Guga was the greatest of all time. He had a 100% record in GS finals.
ToJo, Costa and Gaudio also deserve a mention for their perfect final records. ;)

CmonAussie
01-31-2007, 01:00 PM
Guga was the greatest of all time. He had a 100% record in GS finals.
ToJo, Costa and Gaudio also deserve a mention for their perfect final records. ;)

:wavey:
Yeah that`s pretty funny Jimnik mate:cool:
...
Guga indeed made the most of his opportunities in those Slam finals;)
...
Honestly though for the old boys [which Guga is now] i don`t think we should include them unless they`ve played in atleast 10-Slam finals ~~>> so Becker, Newcombe etc. just qualify for this list:cool:

Burrow
01-31-2007, 06:29 PM
gustavo kuerten is still playing on the atp tour, he should be added to that list.

R.Federer
01-31-2007, 07:37 PM
That's the sad thing about Lendl, he got to the Final more than anyone else ever has, but didn't convert. He had so many chances to be GOAT

almouchie
01-31-2007, 08:55 PM
thanks for the stats

can do the rest for connors, mcenroe, bjorg
etc

megadeth
01-31-2007, 10:02 PM
so this includes one slam wonders who went 1 for 1? :p

johansson, gaudio, etc

MisterQ
01-31-2007, 10:16 PM
Laver's situation is always tricky to talk about because a pre-Open era amateur major title was not exactly a comparable feat to an Open era slam. But even keeping this in mind, the numbers are quite impressive.

In 1960-62, Laver made the final of every major except the 1960 & 1961 French Opens. Then he took 5 years off from the slams as a pro. THEN he came back and, after the start of the Open Era, in 1968-1969 he made the final of every major except the 1968 U.S. Open.

CmonAussie
01-31-2007, 11:05 PM
gustavo kuerten is still playing on the atp tour, he should be added to that list.

:wavey:
Okie dokies by popular demand Guga Kuerten is now added to the list;)

Fedex
02-01-2007, 01:22 AM
When you look at who Lendl had to play in all of those slam finals, its easy to see why he has a poor record in grand slam finals. I think Lendl has always been underrated in my opinion and I dont know why. He played in the toughest era, and still amassed 8 slam titles, played in more slam finals than anyone, won 94 titles(which I believe is far more impressive than Connor's 109), and was number 1 for 270 weeks!

R.Federer
02-01-2007, 05:11 AM
I think Lendl has always been underrated in my opinion and I dont know why. He played in the toughest era, and still amassed 8 slam titles, played in more slam finals than anyone, won 94 titles(which I believe is far more impressive than Connor's 109), and was number 1 for 270 weeks!

Now, is it the toughest era, or is it that he didn't find a way to dominate them? :p

Merton
02-01-2007, 05:45 AM
Lendl was such a loser going down to those chumps he faced in the finals. Thanks for the stats :)

soonha
02-01-2007, 07:36 AM
I noticed something somewhat interesting....

In the course of winning his first 10 GS titles(1992-1997), Pete won them in 3 sets seven times. 70% of the finals :eek:.

Who said that Roger's winning was too predictable and boring and inexcitable?

CmonAussie
02-01-2007, 10:27 AM
Todd Woodbridge`s record in Doubles Slam Finals is pretty impressive [16-4].


Titles (16)
1992 Australian Open
1993 Wimbledon
1994 Wimbledon
1995 Wimbledon
1995 US Open
1996 Wimbledon
1996 US Open
1997 Australian Open
1997 Wimbledon
2000 French Open
2000 Wimbledon
2001 Australian Open
2002 Wimbledon
2003 Wimbledon
2003 US Open
2004 Wimbledon

Finals (4)
1994 US Open
1997 French Open
1998 Australian Open
1998 Wimbledon

CmonAussie
02-01-2007, 10:38 AM
South America`s greatest ever player ~ Vilas!!


Wins (4)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1977 French Open Brian Gottfried 6-0, 6-3, 6-0
1977 U.S. Open Jimmy Connors 3-6, 6-3, 7-6, 6-0
1978 Australian Open John Marks 6-4, 6-4, 3-6, 6-3
1979 Australian Open (2) John Sadri 7-6, 6-3, 6-2


[edit] Runners-up (4)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1975 French Open Björn Borg 6-2, 6-3, 6-4
1977 Australian Open (Jan.) Roscoe Tanner 6-3, 6-3, 6-3
1978 French Open (2) Björn Borg 6-2, 6-1, 6-3
1982 French Open (3) Mats Wilander 1-6, 7-6, 6-0, 6-4

TennisGrandSlam
02-01-2007, 01:22 PM
Grand Slam + Masters/ATP Tour Cahmpionships/TMC

Sampras : 19-5

Federer : 13-2

Lendl : 13-15

Rogiman
02-01-2007, 01:51 PM
Sampras owned Agassi in so many ways...

Andre'sNo1Fan
02-01-2007, 03:19 PM
Sampras owned Agassi in so many ways...
Yet Agassi owned Sampras in ways, too.

Fedex
02-01-2007, 07:07 PM
Now, is it the toughest era, or is it that he didn't find a way to dominate them? :p
Well Lendl won 8 slams and 94 titles in what was undoubtably the toughest era in tennis. He is arguably one of the 5 greatest players of all time, despite the fact he never won Wimbledon.

guga2120
02-01-2007, 07:12 PM
Sampras owned Agassi in so many ways...


yeah he really owned him, especially in Australia and Paris.:wavey:

Agassi also won more Master Series overall, and more H2h with Sampras in the times they met in Master Series.

R.Federer
02-01-2007, 07:27 PM
Well Lendl won 8 slams and 94 titles in what was undoubtably the toughest era in tennis. He is arguably one of the 5 greatest players of all time, despite the fact he never won Wimbledon.

How does an era become the toughest era? Is it when any one player is good but not so good that he dominates? :p

I was just piqued by your use of "undoubtably toughest era" and wondered if that is a general consensus or your opinion.

DrJules
02-01-2007, 07:46 PM
Guga was the greatest of all time. He had a 100% record in GS finals.
ToJo, Costa and Gaudio also deserve a mention for their perfect final records. ;)

It should be noted that he only reached the final of 1 of the 4 grand slams so was not among the most versatile players.

guga2120
02-01-2007, 07:48 PM
It should be noted that he only reached the final of 1 of the 4 grand slams so was not among the most versatile players.

He did finish year end #1, and beat Agassi and Sampras back to back on a fast indoor hard court to do it, the TMC.

oz_boz
02-01-2007, 09:02 PM
Yet Agassi owned Sampras in ways, too.

Sampras-Agassi:
Wimbly 2-0
RG 0-1
AO 0-2
USO 4-0 :devil:
TMC 4-2
TMS 4-6
Clay 2-3 :lol:

Slams 6-3 Sampras
TMC 4-2 Sampras

Sampras won 2/3 on the biggest stages.

CmonAussie
02-02-2007, 01:08 PM
#Agassi did pretty well, although he was unlucky to face Sampras in so many Slam Final><...
..
The other thing about Andre is his longevity ~> 15-years between his 1st & last Slam final appearances [1990 FO & 2005 USO]... In the Open Ere nobody else came close to matching this~> though Connors did great he still couldn`t make Slam finals late in his career!

Agassi~ i salute you!!


Wins (8)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1992 Wimbledon Goran Ivanišević 6-7, 6-4, 6-4, 1-6, 6-4
1994 U.S. Open Michael Stich 6-1, 7-6, 7-5
1995 Australian Open Pete Sampras 4-6, 6-1, 7-6, 6-4
1999 French Open Andrei Medvedev 1-6, 2-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-4
1999 U.S. Open (2) Todd Martin 6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 6-3, 6-2
2000 Australian Open (2) Yevgeny Kafelnikov 3-6, 6-3, 6-2, 6-4
2001 Australian Open (3) Arnaud Clément 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
2003 Australian Open (4) Rainer Schüttler 6-2, 6-2, 6-1


Runners-up (7)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1990 French Open Andrés Gómez 6-3, 2-6, 6-4, 6-4
1990 U.S. Open Pete Sampras 6-4, 6-3, 6-2
1991 French Open Jim Courier 3-6, 6-4, 2-6, 6-1, 6-4
1995 U.S. Open Pete Sampras 6-4, 6-3, 4-6, 7-5
1999 Wimbledon Pete Sampras 6-3, 6-4, 7-5
2002 U.S. Open Pete Sampras 6-3, 6-4, 5-7, 6-4
2005 U.S. Open Roger Federer 6-3, 2-6, 7-6, 6-1

R.Federer
02-02-2007, 03:25 PM
..
The other thing about Andre is his longevity ~> 15-years between his 1st & last Slam final appearances [1990 FO & 1995 USO]...

Agassi played in the 2005 USO Final, that was his last slam final appearance, not 1995.

CmonAussie
02-02-2007, 10:01 PM
Agassi played in the 2005 USO Final, that was his last slam final appearance, not 1995.


;)
Good point ~ my bad typo:sad:

TennisGrandSlam
02-03-2007, 04:41 PM
Agassi's 1st GS Final (US Open 1990, lost to Sampras)

Agassi's last GS Final (US Open 2005, lost to Federer)


Same GS, Losing to 2 generations of Tennis King, time between 1st and last GS Final is 15 years.

OSmeone
02-03-2007, 05:12 PM
Actually Andre Agassi's first slam final was lost to Gomez in the 1990 French Open.

CmonAussie
09-16-2007, 04:51 PM
BUMP

Record in Slam Finals [Wins - Losses ]

Current generation

Federer: 12-2
Kuerten: 3-0
Nadal: 3-2
Hewitt: 2-2
Safin: 2-2
Moya: 1-1
Roddick: 1-3
Ferrero: 1-2


Old boys

Sampras: 14-4
Laver: 11-6
Borg: 11-5
Connors: 8-7
Agassi: 8-7
Lendl: 8-11
Newcombe: 7-3
McEnroe: 7-4
Wilander: 7-4
Becker: 6-4
Edberg: 6-5
Courier: 4-3
Vilas: 4-4

stebs
09-16-2007, 05:36 PM
Problem with this is although it can be one way of measuring big match play it punishes you for some good things as well.

I mean you can't criticse someone for making a slam final, would Federer be a better player if he lost '06 and '07 RG in the early rounds giving him the perfect record? The answer is no.

World Beater
09-16-2007, 06:04 PM
Problem with this is although it can be one way of measuring big match play it punishes you for some good things as well.

I mean you can't criticse someone for making a slam final, would Federer be a better player if he lost '06 and '07 RG in the early rounds giving him the perfect record? The answer is no.

thats why there should be a qualifier.

create a separate category for players who have played more than 4 slam finals.

FedFan_2007
09-16-2007, 07:36 PM
Lendl 8-11 in slam finals. Bad
Sampras 14-4 in slam finals. Good.
Federer 12-2 in slam finals. Excellent.

Fedex
09-16-2007, 09:10 PM
Problem with this is although it can be one way of measuring big match play it punishes you for some good things as well.

I mean you can't criticse someone for making a slam final, would Federer be a better player if he lost '06 and '07 RG in the early rounds giving him the perfect record? The answer is no.

Good point.

rwn
09-16-2007, 10:56 PM
Problem with this is although it can be one way of measuring big match play it punishes you for some good things as well.

I mean you can't criticse someone for making a slam final, would Federer be a better player if he lost '06 and '07 RG in the early rounds giving him the perfect record? The answer is no.

That makes a comparison so difficult. What would Sampras have done in a grand slam final on clay against Bruguera or Muster. Who knows. I wouldn't bet on Pete to be honest.

BlakeorHenman
09-17-2007, 02:19 AM
Lendl 8-11 in slam finals. Bad
Sampras 14-4 in slam finals. Good.
Federer 12-2 in slam finals. Excellent.


I would think that 12-2 and 14-4 are comparable numbers, if not even.

FedFan_2007
09-17-2007, 02:47 AM
12/14 = 85%
14/18 = 77%

Marek.
09-17-2007, 03:04 AM
Sampras' percentage isn't going to change while Fed's will. Somewhere I posted that I think Fed will end his career with 16 slams and 5 finals which is 76%. Nothing else to do but wait and see.

EDIT: Looked at that post and I said Fed would win 16-17 Slams with 4-5 finals.

CyBorg
09-17-2007, 03:08 AM
Sampras was 13-2 before be become 14-4.

CmonAussie
09-17-2007, 03:43 AM
Sampras was 13-2 before be become 14-4.


:wavey:
Yes, Safin & Hewitt thankfully humiliated Sampras in back-to-back USO finals:devil: