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Andre Sá: late-boomer?

Caio
07-17-2002, 03:24 PM
At age 25, Brazilian Andre Sa is finally having some good results in his career. A promising junior, never had the same success in the pros and it looks like 2002 will finally be his breakthrough year.

Andre has had hard times since he begun his pro career. Sponsors, family and specially confidence. Andre went to NBTA when he was very young to train hard and imigrated to some university I can't remember to play tennis. Then, he decided to dedicate himself 100% to pros.

Andre doesn't have any weapon. He's got an ok serve, an ok forehand, an ok backhand, ok volleys... he hasn't got any punishing shot that could make him win much more matches. He still holds an 11-17 record this season, and has still to earn $1M in his full career. But with his Wimbledon quarterfinal and now another quarterfinal in Amersfoot, Andre is my pick for "newcomer", "late-boomer", "breakthrough" or whatever else this year :D

Good luck Andre :cool:

tennischick
07-17-2002, 03:31 PM
Hewitt doesn't have any weapons either and look where it's gotten him! Andre's game is solid. i saw him for the first time last year at the USO when he gave Pete Samprass a good challenge. at the time i was pissed off with my boyfriend bec all he wanted to see were the South-American players, so he literally had to drag me to this match as i can't stand Samprass, and didn't relish the prospect of seeing him put a 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 cut-arse on another "clay-courter". well, did i end up with egg all over my face! for a moment there it looked as if Pete was a goner. but of course the serve saved him, and i found a new fave. Andre Sa will go places. it's not too late. he's only middle-aged in tennis years. ;) ;)

Caio
07-17-2002, 03:33 PM
Are you saying Hewitt doesn't have weapons? Speed, tenacity, passing shots, forehand. Enough?

P.S: I hate Hewitt. :rolleyes:

tennischick
07-17-2002, 03:39 PM
i hate Hewitt too but when folks speak of weapons in tennis they usually refer to particular shots. like Sampras' former serve, or Agassi's returns, or Guga's forehand. speed and tenacity are terrific qualitties to have but they are not generally considered weapons. Hewitt's passing-shots and his forehand are good but there are others with better. Safin makes awesome passing-shots (when hsi head is on). and there are plenty better forehands out there -- that list it too long to enumerate.

that's what makes Hewitt such an incredible competitor. his weapons are exactly what you describe -- his speed and tenacity. and his never-say-die attitude. and his scrappiness as a fighter. and the fact that he never chokes and never tanks. all of his shots are solid -- but none of them are weapons in the classic sense. and that's why his position at #1 is unique.

Springy
07-17-2002, 03:40 PM
go andre!

Nimi
07-17-2002, 04:04 PM
Hewitt's backhand is better than his forehand. just food for thought.

& thats exactly the place where i saw Sa, in that match against Sampras!

steph_g
07-17-2002, 07:49 PM
I saw Andre Sa win the Hochiminh City ATP Challenger. I think it was in 1999.

He showed a lot of tenacity during this match. I was surprised because I had expected to see this player stay at the back of the court and hit heavy topspin.

Instead of what I saw a player hitting very flat shots and rushing to the net.

I was impressed also with his footwork and his good anticipation skills.

Dissident
07-18-2002, 03:11 AM
Gugas backhand is also better than his forehand.

Andre is indeed a dangerous player.
Caio is right, his big problem is confidence. He is an extremely shy guy. I saw him play many times, and my thought was ALWAYS like "keep your head up, face the sky, not the floor!"
Maybe this great run can help on that matter.

Zvonareva
07-18-2002, 03:12 AM
Go Andre! :bounce:

Becool
07-18-2002, 04:20 AM
Actually I never thought Andre would come to reach a Grand Slam quarterfinals..

I got surprised. His forehand is his best shot IMO, I think it's a late boomer, but doesn't mean he will do well in any tournament he enters in..

I don't know. I hope his does, but it's too unlikely for me

Daniel
07-18-2002, 05:40 AM
He is a nice player :) :)

He is not a late bloomer

Lucas Arg
07-19-2002, 12:49 AM
He is one of my favorite players, I love him so much:drool:

Burrow
04-15-2007, 11:45 AM
Its a shame he wore away, I used to like him.

CooCooCachoo
04-15-2007, 11:51 AM
He's still a great player to watch :shrug:

cobalt60
04-15-2007, 03:30 PM
I watched him play in a Challenger Fall 2005. He was lovely to watch- all grace and ballet style.

gusman890
04-15-2007, 03:34 PM
the return of the old forums continues :)

shotgun
04-15-2007, 06:30 PM
He had been around for a while until the Wimbledon QF, then surprisingly it all went down hill from there. What was considered to be his breakthrough was also his swan song. I remember he lost like 15 consecutive matches in 2003. He never had any weapons, although he does have a good return of serve, that makes him a good doubles player.

GlennMirnyi
04-15-2007, 06:38 PM
It's a shame, really. Sá is a very good player.

Jimnik
04-15-2007, 06:46 PM
Why are all these old threads being bumped up?

Sjengster
04-15-2007, 07:17 PM
He had been around for a while until the Wimbledon QF, then surprisingly it all went down hill from there. What was considered to be his breakthrough was also his swan song. I remember he lost like 15 consecutive matches in 2003. He never had any weapons, although he does have a good return of serve, that makes him a good doubles player.

I remember him playing two five-setters against Bjorkman in two days in DC, he lost to him in singles but won the doubles with Kuerten from two sets to one down (then Bjorkman saved Sweden with yet another five-setter over Kuerten on the final day, and the Vinc won the deciding rubber).

Last I saw of him were losses to Coria at RG, hardly a surprise there, and to Nalbandian at Wimbledon where of course he lost all those QF points. Who did he beat to get to the quarters in 2002? I know his fourth-round victory was over Lopez, who had taken out Canas and Schuettler first.

GlennMirnyi
04-15-2007, 07:22 PM
I remember him playing two five-setters against Bjorkman in two days in DC, he lost to him in singles but won the doubles with Kuerten from two sets to one down (then Bjorkman saved Sweden with yet another five-setter over Kuerten on the final day, and the Vinc won the deciding rubber).

Last I saw of him were losses to Coria at RG, hardly a surprise there, and to Nalbandian at Wimbledon where of course he lost all those QF points. Who did he beat to get to the quarters in 2002? I know his fourth-round victory was over Lopez, who had taken out Canas and Schuettler first.

Dupuis, Koubek, Saretta (:lol:), Lopez and lost to Henman in 4.

Sjengster
04-15-2007, 07:27 PM
Ah yes, Saretta who upset Johansson 12-10 in the fifth in the first round (I think Tojo was starting to develop the injury that kept him off the tour for the whole of 2003). It can often happen that way, when a draw opens up with upsets early on and someone then beats the players who caused the upsets without having a big win themselves. But that was a wacky Wimbledon for sure, having Sa and Lapentti in the quarters. It was a little bit much of Michael Stich to call the QF line-up "a disaster for tennis", mind you, as he did at the end of that year.

shotgun
04-15-2007, 07:30 PM
I remember him playing two five-setters against Bjorkman in two days in DC, he lost to him in singles but won the doubles with Kuerten from two sets to one down (then Bjorkman saved Sweden with yet another five-setter over Kuerten on the final day, and the Vinc won the deciding rubber).

He was on fire during that weekend in Helsingborg, too bad the captain at the time (Ricardo Accioly) gave too much weight to the weariness factor and decided to pick Saretta (who was actually in a much better moment in the tour than Sá) for the final decisive rubber. Saretta failed to win a set off Vinci and, needless to say, Accioly got plenty of criticism for his decision.

Burrow
04-15-2007, 07:31 PM
Why are all these old threads being bumped up?

:haha: go have a cry chelski fan!

Sjengster
04-15-2007, 07:33 PM
Bjorkman over Kuerten was the real upset though, nobody picked that one and you certainly wouldn't have expected Bjorkman to lose a two-set lead and then win 6-1 in the fifth, playing his 15th set in 3 days of tennis. Not bad for a 30-year old who had also only just become a father!

GlennMirnyi
04-15-2007, 07:33 PM
He was on fire during that weekend in Helsingborg, too bad the captain at the time (Ricardo Accioly) gave too much weight to the weariness factor and decided to pick Saretta (who was actually in a much better moment in the tour than Sá) for the final decisive rubber. Saretta failed to win a set off Vinci and, needless to say, Accioly got plenty of criticism for his decision.

The most stupid decision ever made by Accioly. Sá was playing amazingly that weekend.

Sjengster
04-15-2007, 07:36 PM
Vinciguerra had a pretty good start to 2003 though, he would probably have been favoured against either man.

Action Jackson
04-15-2007, 07:37 PM
Dupuis, Koubek, Saretta (:lol:), Lopez and lost to Henman in 4.

Great draw this was for Sa.

shotgun
04-15-2007, 07:40 PM
Bjorkman over Kuerten was the real upset though, nobody picked that one and you certainly wouldn't have expected Bjorkman to lose a two-set lead and then win 6-1 in the fifth, playing his 15th set in 3 days of tennis. Not bad for a 30-year old who had also only just become a father!

True, even though there were worse losses for Guga in Davis Cup. Losing a live singles rubber to doubles specialist Daniel Nestor later that year, for example. Also the home losses to Hewitt and Hrbaty when he was at his peak, albeit to two great DC players.

Action Jackson
04-15-2007, 07:44 PM
True, even though there were worse losses for Guga in Davis Cup. Losing a live singles rubber to doubles specialist Daniel Nestor later that year, for example. Also the home losses to Hewitt and Hrbaty when he was at his peak, albeit to two great DC players.

Guga was paralysed by fear when he played Hewitt, he was so inhibited and the crowd so quiet when Hewitt won.

Sjengster
04-15-2007, 07:45 PM
That Canada tie was on a super-fast court and therefore something of a lottery, though, and the weaknesses in his return game can be exposed by big servers in such situations. But yes, nobody acknowledges that Hewitt's big win over Guga in Brazil was not the first time he'd been beaten on home soil - didn't he also lose a dead rubber there to Escude once? And we're talking here about the last player to beat Spain in Spain, which he did almost single-handedly in 1999.

Action Jackson
04-15-2007, 07:47 PM
That tie was also at a bit of altitude in Canada, and Guga served 50+ aces and lost.

shotgun
04-15-2007, 07:53 PM
Guga was paralysed by fear when he played Hewitt, he was so inhibited and the crowd so quiet when Hewitt won.

Starting the third day down 1-2 didn't help him either, he had already too much pressure on his shoulders as it was. Hewitt also said after the match, "that's the best I've ever hit the ball."

That Canada tie was on a super-fast court and therefore something of a lottery, though, and the weaknesses in his return game can be exposed by big servers in such situations. But yes, nobody acknowledges that Hewitt's big win over Guga in Brazil was not the first time he'd been beaten on home soil - didn't he also lose a dead rubber there to Escude once? And we're talking here about the last player to beat Spain in Spain, which he did almost single-handedly in 1999.

Not only the court was really fast, but it was played at Calgary where the altitude is above 4000 m if I'm not wrong. The funny thing is that even though Guga lost, he set a new record for aces in a Davis Cup match that day. Yes, he lost to Escude as well.

Lee
04-15-2007, 10:24 PM
Not only the court was really fast, but it was played at Calgary where the altitude is above 4000 m if I'm not wrong. The funny thing is that even though Guga lost, he set a new record for aces in a Davis Cup match that day. Yes, he lost to Escude as well.

I think it's about 3,500 feet, not 4000 meter. :scratch: But the ground was frozen and the Brasilians had the rare chance of enjoying some snow outside during the DC tie week.

leng jai
04-15-2007, 10:32 PM
I have that DC match between Guga and Hewitt on tape. Hewitt was hitting his forehand like never before that day. He was overpowering Guga with his forehand on clay.

shotgun
04-15-2007, 10:56 PM
I think it's about 3,500 feet, not 4000 meter. :scratch: But the ground was frozen and the Brasilians had the rare chance of enjoying some snow outside during the DC tie week.

:lol: You're right, I was way off. It's 1,048 m (3,438.3 ft).

Action Jackson
04-16-2007, 04:55 AM
I think it's about 3,500 feet, not 4000 meter. :scratch: But the ground was frozen and the Brasilians had the rare chance of enjoying some snow outside during the DC tie week.

4000m above that would be Altiplano in La Paz.