Here you can pick winners in 19 matches out of the main draw only
In this tournaments you dont have to commit you just bet and have fun In this post there will be a league table and the scoring points. To those who dont understand the scoring points - if you pick a wiiner and he won you will get points according to the scoring points which I wil do :) . For more information and rules go to this adress http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=95734
G. Coria(3)...........vs. A. Roddick(2)...........{10-10}
Semi-Finals
F. Gonzales(21).....vs. G. Coria(3)...............{12-8}
V. Spadea............vs. A. Roddick(2)............{13-7}
Quarter-Finals
F. Gonzales(21)......vs. A. Pavel..................{8-13}
G. Coria(3)............vs. N. Kiefer..................{7-14}
V. Spadea.............vs. A. Calleri(20)............{12-8}
C. Moya(5)............vs. A. Roddick(2)...........{10-10}
4th round
R. Nadal(32)..........vs. F. Gonzales(21).........{12-9}
A. Pavel................vs. T. Martin.................{9-12}
G. Coria(3)............vs. J. Benneteau(q)........{4-24}
S. Grosjean(12)......vs. N. Kiefer..................{8-13}
V. Spadea.............vs. P. Srichaphan(9).......{12-8}
A. Calleri(20).........vs. A. Agassi(4).............{12-9}
C. Moya(5)...........vs. T. Robredo(19)..........{9-11}
G. Canas..............vs. A. Roddick(2)............{18-6}
3rd round
R. Federer(1).........vs. R. Nadal(32)..............{8-13}
F. Gonzales(21)......vs. J. Novak(14)............{11-10}
A. Pavel................vs. L. Hewitt(17)............{13-7}
T. Martin...............vs. J. Melzer.................{10-10}
G. Coria(3)............vs. J. Chela(25)..............{8-12}
I. Ljubicic..............vs. J. Benneteau(q).........{6-17}
S. Grosjean(12)......vs. T. Ascione................{6-19}
R. Ginepri..............vs. N. Kiefer..................{10-11}
R. Stepanek..........vs. V. Spadea.................{12-9}
J. Monaco(q).........vs. P. Srichaphan(9)........{25-4}
T. Reid.................vs. A. Calleri(20).............{19-6}
M. Mirnyi(28).........vs. A. Agassi(4)..............{13-8}
C. Moya(5)...........vs. D. Hrbaty(27).............{8-12}
T. Robredo(19)......vs. J. Hernych(q).............{4-27}
G. Canas..............vs. X. Malisse..................{14-7}
J. Bjorkman(26).....vs. A. Roddick(2)..............{12-8}
2nd round
R. Federer(1)..........vs. N. Davidenko.............{5-15}
G. Ivanisevic..........vs. R. Nadal(32)..............{53-2}
F. Gonzales(21)......vs. K. Kucera..................{8-13}
S. Koubek(q)..........vs. J. Novak(14)..............{16-6}
N. Massu(10)..........vs. A. Pavel...................{7-13}
R. Soderling............vs. L. Hewitt(17)............{12-8}
J. Nieminen(29).......vs. T. Martin..................{8-12}
J. Melzer................vs. T. Henman(7)...........{14-7}
G. Coria(3).............vs. W. Ferreira...............{7-13}
C. Saulnier.............vs. J. Chela(25)..............{15-6}
A. Clement(24).......vs. I. Ljubicic.................{9-11}
J. Benneteau(q)......vs. M. Fish(16)...............{20-5}
S. Grosjean(12)......vs. N. Lapentti................{7-13}
T. Ascione.............vs. F. Lopez(23).............{17-6}
G. Gaudio(30).........vs. R. Ginepri.................{10-10}
N. Kiefer................vs. R. Schuettler(6).........{13-7}
F. Verdasco...........vs. R. Stepanek...............{12-9}
V. Spadea.............vs. M. Safin(31)..............{10-10}
G. Kuerten(18).......vs. J. Monaco(q)..............{4-24}
R. Mello(q)............vs. P. Srichaphan(9)..........{24-4}
M. Verkerk(15).......vs. T. Reid.......................{4-24}
L. Burgsmuller........vs. A. Calleri(20)...............{15-6}
M. Mirnyi(28).........vs. F. Squillari(q)...............{6-19}
M. Zabaleta...........vs. A. Agassi(4)................{14-7}
C. Moya(5)...........vs. D. Sanchez..................{7-14}
B. Ulihrach............vs. D. Hrbaty(27)...............{20-5}
T. Robredo(19)......vs. O. Rochus....................{7-15}
J. Hernych(q)........vs. M. Philippoussis(11).......{27-4}
S. Schalken(13).....vs. G. Canas.....................{6-18}
X. Malisse.............vs. A. Costa(22)................{13-7}
J. Bjorkman(26)......vs. T. Dent......................{9-11}
K. Beck.................vs. A. Roddick(2)..............{15-5}
1st round:
N. Davidenko...........vs. T. Johansson...........{4-24}
N. Escude..............vs. G. Ivanisevic(WC)......{2-50}
A. Bogomolov(WC)...vs. K. Kucera................{14-7}
A. Martin................vs. S. Koubek................{8-13}
D. Tursunov............vs. A. Pavel..................{12-8}
R. Soderling............vs. D. Ferrer.................{8-12}
I. Heuberger...........vs. T. Martin.................{16-6}
J. Melzer................vs. I. Karlovic...............{10-10}
R. Sluiter................vs. W. Ferreira.............{12-8}
B. Baker(WC)..........vs. C. Saulnier..............{30-3}
D. Sanguinetti.........vs. I. Ljubicic...............{15-5}
J. Morrison..............vs. J. Benneteu............{12-9}
T. Enquist..............vs. N. Lapentti.............{10-10}
H. Arazi.................vs. T. Ascione...............{5-15}
R. Ramirez-Hidalgo...vs. R. Ginepri................{13-7}
N. Kiefer................vs. I. Andreev...............{7-13}
S. Sargsian............vs. R. Stepanek............{10-10}
J. Blake.................vs. V. Spadea..............{10-10}
J. Monaco.............vs. J. Johansson............{19-6}
R. Mello................vs. J. Salzenstein............{11-9}
F. Saretta.............vs. T. Reid (WC)............{6-17}
J.M. Gambill...........vs. L. Burgsmuller..........{10-10}
F. Squillari.............vs. H. Taik-Lee..............{13-8}
G. Carraz..............vs. M. Zabaleta..............{11-9}
D. Sanchez...........vs. L. Horna..................{10-10}
J. Muller...............vs. B. Ulihrach................{14-7}
K. Carlsen.............vs. O. Rochus................{13-8}
G. Canas..............vs. T. Haas...................{3-30}
F. Santoro............vs. J. Hernych................{6-17}
I. Labadze............vs. X. malisse................{10-10}
T. Dent................vs. M. Youzhny.............{10-10}
V. Hanescu...........vs. K. Beck...................{9-11}
Indian Wells fell apart a bit in the end as it all became to much work for one person
anyway im in
Nir
03-22-2004, 02:25 PM
Dont worry WyveN iI can do it and I also have people to help me if needed :)
Lady
03-22-2004, 04:50 PM
I will play ;)
Hopefully I will continue my winning streak here! :angel:
Blaze
03-22-2004, 08:05 PM
I will try my luck here and hope i don't jinx anyone
Frooty_Bazooty
03-22-2004, 08:21 PM
Nir, if you need any help, just ask
Nir
03-22-2004, 08:53 PM
Scoring points updated after main draw realese :)
You can start to pick!
bgbgbg
03-22-2004, 09:16 PM
i'm in too
if you want any help just tell ;)
bgbgbg
03-22-2004, 09:22 PM
ok lets begin PAWing here :)
PAW 1: Johansson over Davidenko (24)
PAW 2: Ivanisevic over Escude (50)
PAW 3: Baker over Saulnier (30)
PAW 4: Reid over Saretta (17)
PAW 5: Haas over Canas (30)
Haas def. Canas
Ivanisevic def. Escude (no chance Goran!;))
Masto22
03-22-2004, 10:58 PM
PAW:3: T. Johansson d. Davidenko
Masto22
03-22-2004, 11:00 PM
PAW 3:B. Baker(WC)Def. C. Saulnier
nitsansh
03-22-2004, 11:46 PM
PAW1: T. Johansson...........over N. Davidenko........... {24-4}
PAW2: G. Ivanisevic(WC)......over N. Escude.............. {50-2}
PAW3: T. Haas................over G. Canas............... {30-3}
William Hunt
03-23-2004, 01:29 AM
In
William Hunt
03-23-2004, 01:33 AM
PAW 1 T. JOHANSSON over DAVYDENKO
PAW 2 BAKER over SAULNIER
PAW 3 REID over SARETTA
PAW 4 GAMBILL over BURGSMÜLLER
PAW 5 CARRAZ over ZABALETA
PAW 6 HAAS over CANAS
PAW 7 MALISSE over LABADZE
PAW 8 DENT over YOUZHNY
SaFed2005
03-23-2004, 02:09 AM
PAW 1: Johansson over Davidenko (24)
PAW 2: Ivanisevic over Escude (50)
PAW 3: W. Ferreira over R. Sluiter
PAW 4: Reid over Saretta (17)
PAW 5: Haas over Canas (30)
PAW 6: T. Enquist over N. Lapentti (5)
PAW 7: I. Ljubicic over D. Sanguinetti (10)
PAW 8: H. Arazi over T. Ascione (5)
PAW 9: R. Ginepri over R. Ramirez-Hidalgo (7)
PAW 10: N. Kiefer over Andreev (7)
PAW 11: S. Sargsian over R. Stepanek (10)
PAW 12: J. Blake over V. Spadea (10)
PAW 13: MALISSE over LABADZE (10)
PAW 14: DENT over YOUZHNY (10)
PAW 15: Karlovic over Melzer (10)
:worship: :worship: :worship:
Neely
03-23-2004, 02:58 AM
I'll play :)
Spikey_Todd Reid_#1Fan
03-23-2004, 08:17 AM
PAW1: Johansson over Davydenko
PAW2: Haas over Canas
PAW3: Ivanisevic over Escude
PAW4: Reid over Saretta :D
WyveN
03-23-2004, 10:51 AM
PAW1: I choose T.Johansson N. Davidenko...........vs. T. Johansson...........{4-24}
PAW2. I choose Goran. N. Escude..............vs. G. Ivanisevic(WC)......{2-50}
PAW3. I choose Haas G. Canas..............vs. T. Haas...................{3-30}
Nir
03-23-2004, 11:20 AM
PAW1: Johansson over Davidenko
PAW2: Ivanisevic over Escude
PAW3: Hass over Canas
PAW4: Reid over Sarreta
oxy
03-23-2004, 01:46 PM
can i still play??? count me in...thanx...:)
Nir
03-23-2004, 02:32 PM
can i still play??? count me in...thanx...:)
Yes ofcourse :) as I said there is no need to commit to this tournament so everyone can play at any time :)
PinkFeatherBoa
03-23-2004, 03:56 PM
PAW1: Ivanisevic over Escude
PAW2: Haas over Canas
PAW 1: YOUZHNY over Dent
PAW 2: SODERLING over Ferrer
PAW 3: GINEPRI over Ramírez-Hidalgo
PAW 4: SARGSIAN over Stepanek
PAW 5: REID over Saretta
PAW 6: HAAS over Cañas
PAW 7: T. JOHANSSON over Davydenko
Frooty_Bazooty
03-24-2004, 07:09 AM
PAW1: T Johansson ....over Davydenko [24-4]
PAW2: Melzer ............over Karlovic ....[10-10]
PAW3: Haas ..............over Canas ......[30-3]
PAW4: Gambill............over Burgsmuller.[10-10]
:worship:
paellapan
03-24-2004, 09:23 AM
PAW1 Ivanisevic over Escude
PAW2 Enqvist over Lapentti
PAW3 Sluiter over Ferreira
Nir
03-24-2004, 10:55 AM
Scoring points updated after adding qualifiers :)
Nir
03-24-2004, 10:56 AM
PAW5: Monaco over Johansson
Spikey_Todd Reid_#1Fan
03-24-2004, 11:14 AM
PAW5: J. Muller over B. Ulihrach
yasi277
03-24-2004, 12:49 PM
PAW1: T. Johansson over Davydenko
PAW2: Koubek over A. Martin
PAW3: Enqvist over N. Lapentti
PAW4: Haas over Canas
PAW5: Muller over Ulihrach
PAW6: Blake over Spadea
PAW7: Malisse over Labadze
nitsansh
03-24-2004, 01:14 PM
PAW4: A. Bogomolov(WC).... over K. Kucera........... {14-7}
PAW5: J. Hernych.......... over F. Santoro.......... {17-6}
PAW6: B. Baker(WC)........ over C. Saulnier......... {30-3}
oxy
03-24-2004, 01:40 PM
PAW1: Reid over Saretta
PAW2: T.Johansson over Davydenko
PAW3: Haas over Canas
PAW4: Ivanesevic over Escude
Lady
03-24-2004, 01:41 PM
PAW1: Johansson over Davydenko (24)
PAW2: Ivanisevic over Escude (50)
PAW3: Haas over Canas (30)
PAW4: Reid over Sanetta (17)
PAW5: Sanguinetti over Ljubicic (15)
PAW6: Monaco over Johansson (19)
PAW7: Enquist over Lapentti (10)
oxy
03-24-2004, 01:44 PM
PAW5: Baker over Saulnier
PAW6: Squillari over Lee
Nica
03-24-2004, 01:46 PM
paw1: Ivanisevic over Escude
paw2: Johansson over Davidenko
paw3: Haas over Canas
paw4: Reid over Sanetta
paw5: Sanguinetti over Ljubicic
paw6: Blake over Spadea
paw7: Sluiter over Ferreira
i commited in the commitemtn thread just 2 minutes ago, i hope i can still play this week.
if yes, here are my first picks :wavey:
PAW1: Johanson over Davidenko
PAW2: Haas over Canas
PAW3: Reid over Saretta
PAW4: Gambill over Burgsmüller
Masto22
03-24-2004, 03:43 PM
PAW6: J. Monaco d. J. Johansson
Klio
03-24-2004, 04:52 PM
I'll play too :))
PAW 1: N. Escude over G. Ivanisevic
PAW 2: S. Koubek over A. Martin
PAW 3: I. Heuberger over T. Martin
PAW 4: B. Baker over C. Saulnier
PAW 5: J. Blake over V. Spadea
PAW 6: J. Monaco over J. Johansson
PAW 7: T. Reid over F. Saretta
PAW 8: J. Hernych over F. Santoro
PAW 9: T. Haas over G. Canas
Dent, Youzhny - GO!! GO!! GO!!
Nir
03-24-2004, 07:31 PM
MATTIHAS ofcourse you can play welcome to paw atp :wavey: :)
The first post was updated with ranking points for this tournament (this is also valid to Indian-Wells which is in the same category as Miami) and rankings will be based on this (current rankings will be published later on today)
League table will be updated only in 13.30-14.00pm GMT because I will have school but after that it will be updated sooner as I am on a school break :D
Thanks and keep enjoying ;)
broncosven
03-24-2004, 07:47 PM
ok Nir mate lets go . . . .
paw 1 J. Melzer over I. Karlovic
paw 2 R. Sluiter over W. Ferreira
paw 3 D. Sanguinetti over I. Ljubicic
paw 4 T. Enquist over N. Lapentti
paw 5 S. Sargsian over R. Stepanek
paw 6 J. Blake over. V. Spadea
paw 7 T. Reid over F. Saretta
paw 8 J.M. Gambill over L. Burgsmuller
paw 9 T. Haas over G. Canas
paw 10 T. Dent over M. Youzhny
PinkFeatherBoa
03-24-2004, 09:37 PM
Paw3: Enquist over Lapentti
Paw4: Johannson over Davidenko
Nir
03-24-2004, 09:42 PM
Paw3: Enquist over Lapentti
Paw4: Johannson over Davidenko
PAW4 is too late the match is already over please replace your pick!
Gallen
03-25-2004, 01:54 AM
PAW1: Reid over Saretta
PAW2: Gambill over Burgsmuller
PAW3: Carlsen over Rochus
PAW4: Dent over Youzhny
PAW5: Blake over Spadea
PAW6: Ivanisevic over Escude
azza
03-25-2004, 05:23 AM
Paw 1 Sarsgian over Stephanek
Paw 2 Sarreta over Reid ( Win Win situation :banana: )
Paw 3 Labadze over Malisse
Paw 4 Carslon over Rochus ( :sobbing: )
Paw 5 Haas over Canas
Bolivero
03-25-2004, 06:11 AM
could i plz have a wildcard? if so:
PAW 1: Ivanisevic over Escude
PAW 2: Koubek over Martin
PAW 3: Soderling over Ferrer
PAW 4: Heuberger over Martin
PAW 5: Karlovic over Melzer
PAW 6: Baker over Saulnier
PAW 7: Morrison over Benneteu
PAW 8: Enquist over Lapentti
PAW 9: Blake over Spadea
PAW 10: Reid over Saretta
PAw 11: Haas over Canas
Mane
03-25-2004, 09:22 AM
PAW1:Reid over Saretta
PAW2:Haas over Canas
PAW3:Baker over Saulnier
PAW4 Dent over Youzhny
PAW5 Blake over Spadea
PAW6 Haas over Canas
PAW7 Squillari over Lee
marcobarella2
03-25-2004, 01:01 PM
PAW1: Stepanek over Sargsian
PAW2: Blake over Spadea
PAW3: Squillari over Hyung Taik Lee
PAW4: Haas over Canas
PAW5: Dent over Youzhny
Nir
03-25-2004, 01:22 PM
League Table updated after day 1 in the first post :)
PinkFeatherBoa
03-25-2004, 02:45 PM
ok new PAW4: Labadze over Malisse
Lady
03-25-2004, 03:26 PM
PAW1:Reid over Saretta
PAW2:Haas over Canas
PAW3:Baker over Saulnier
PAW3 is invalid, match was played yesterday ( I believe).
You can replace your pick (I bet you're relived, cos Baker lost ;) )
Nir
03-25-2004, 05:01 PM
PAW1: Reid over Saretta
PAW2: Gambill over Burgsmuller
PAW3: Carlsen over Rochus
PAW4: Dent over Youzhny
PAW5: Blake over Spadea
PAW6: Ivanisevic over Escude
Im sorry paw 6 is invalid match was way over when you posted this please replace your pick!
Nir
03-25-2004, 05:03 PM
could i plz have a wildcard? if so:
PAW 1: Ivanisevic over Escude
PAW 2: Koubek over Martin
PAW 3: Soderling over Ferrer
PAW 4: Heuberger over Martin
PAW 5: Karlovic over Melzer
PAW 6: Baker over Saulnier
PAW 7: Morrison over Benneteu
PAW 8: Enquist over Lapentti
PAW 9: Blake over Spadea
PAW 10: Reid over Saretta
PAw 11: Haas over Canas
PAW 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, were played yesterday please replace your picks!
nitsansh
03-25-2004, 09:42 PM
PAW 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, were played yesterday please replace your picks!
Also PAW8 started yesterday (but didn't finish)
nitsansh
03-25-2004, 09:53 PM
ok Nir mate lets go . . . .
paw 1 J. Melzer over I. Karlovic
paw 2 R. Sluiter over W. Ferreira
paw 3 D. Sanguinetti over I. Ljubicic
paw 4 T. Enquist over N. Lapentti
paw 5 S. Sargsian over R. Stepanek
paw 6 J. Blake over. V. Spadea
paw 7 T. Reid over F. Saretta
paw 8 J.M. Gambill over L. Burgsmuller
paw 9 T. Haas over G. Canas
paw 10 T. Dent over M. Youzhny
1,2,3 are too late
Havok
03-25-2004, 11:12 PM
can i still join??? :scared:
PAW 1: Haas over Canas [30]
Bolivero
03-26-2004, 03:28 AM
PAW 1: Sanchez over Horna
PAW 2: Carlsen over Rochus
PAW 3: Malisse over Labadze
PAW 4: Dent over Youzheny
PAW 5: Hanescu over Beck
Bolivero
03-26-2004, 03:28 AM
Rossana_Fan = Delgado_Fan
Havok
03-26-2004, 03:32 AM
PAW 1: Sanchez over Horna
PAW 2: Carlsen over Rochus
PAW 3: Malisse over Labadze
PAW 4: Dent over Youzheny
PAW 5: Hanescu over Beck
you might be late on quite a few picks there. its pretty easy to predict the winner after the match is odne, and it totally defeats the purpose of this game:tape:
Bolivero
03-26-2004, 05:27 AM
umm..ive played PAW on WTAworld since September 2003...i think i know what PAW is. I didn't have any time to see if they were late or not...:tape: i've most likely played PAW much longer than you. :rolleyes:
Spikey_Todd Reid_#1Fan
03-26-2004, 06:59 AM
PAW6: Ivanisevic over Nadal
PAW7: Pavel over Massu
PAW8: Stephanek over Verdasco
PAW9: Reid over Verkerk :D :D
Spikey_Todd Reid_#1Fan
03-26-2004, 07:01 AM
Some of Delgado Fan's picks are late, Nir please check them :)
Frooty_Bazooty
03-26-2004, 07:11 AM
PAW5: Labadze over Malisse [10]
PAW6: Ivanisevic over Nadal [TBA]
PAW7: Monaco over Johansson [19]
PAW8: Pavel over Massu [TBA]
Nir
03-26-2004, 09:41 AM
League Table after day 2 is updated and scoring points for 2nd round will be up in 40-50 minutes :)
Nir
03-26-2004, 10:36 AM
2nd round scoring points are updated :)
jrm
03-26-2004, 10:45 AM
PAW11: PAVEL def. MASSU
PAW12: KIEFER def. SCHUETTLER
Mane
03-26-2004, 10:45 AM
PAW2:Ivanisevic over Nadal
PAW3:Pavel over Massu
PAW4:Kiefer over Schuettler
PAW5:Kucera over Gonzalez
PAW6:Reid over Verkerk
PAW7:Ljubicic over Clement
Nir
03-26-2004, 10:48 AM
PAW6: Reid over Verkerk
PAW7: Ivanisevic over Nadal
PAW8: Ascione over Lopez
PAW9: Kiefer over Schuettler
PAW10: Pavel over Massu
WyveN
03-26-2004, 11:06 AM
PAW 3: Pavel over Massu (13)
PAW 4: Reid over Verkerk (24)
paellapan
03-26-2004, 11:09 AM
PAW8 Ivanisevic over Nadal
PAW9 Ginepri over Gaudio
yasi277
03-26-2004, 12:01 PM
PAW8: Ivanisevic over Nadal
PAW9: Koubek over Novak
PAW10: Pavel over Massu
PAW11: Ljubicic over Clement
PAW12: Ascione over Lopez
PAW13: Ginepri over Gaudio
PAW14: Safin over Spadea
PAW15: Dent over Bjorkman
nitsansh
03-26-2004, 12:51 PM
PAW 1: Sanchez over Horna
PAW 2: Carlsen over Rochus
PAW 3: Malisse over Labadze
PAW 4: Dent over Youzheny
PAW 5: Hanescu over Beck
1,2,4,5 are late. Only 3 is OK.
marcobarella2
03-26-2004, 12:56 PM
PAW6: Ivanisevic over Nadal
PAW7: Ginepri over Gaudio
PAW8: Kiefer over Schuettler
nitsansh
03-26-2004, 01:04 PM
PAW7: G. Ivanisevic....... over R. Nadal(32)........ {53-2}
PAW8: A. Pavel............ over N. Massu(10)........ {13-7}
PAW9: T. Reid............. over M. Verkerk(15)...... {24-4}
PAW10: J. Hernych(q)...... over M. Philippoussis(11) {27-4}
PAW 8: ASCIONE over López
PAW 9: IVANISEVIC over Nadal
PAW 10: GINEPRI over Gaudio
Nica
03-26-2004, 03:43 PM
paw8: Ulihrach over Hrbaty
paw9: Safin over Spadea
paw10: Ascione over Lopez
paw11: Saulnier over Chela
paw12: Ivanisevic over Nadal
oxy
03-26-2004, 03:54 PM
PAW7: Ivanesevic over Nadal
PAW8: Ascione over Lopez
SaFed2005
03-26-2004, 04:24 PM
PAW 16 Ivanisevic over Nadal
PAW 17 Dent over Bjorkman
PAW 18 Safin over Spadea
PAW 19 Roger Federer over Nikolay Davydenko
PAW 20 Lleyton Hewitt over Robin Soderling
PAW 21 Gaston Gaudio over Robby Ginepri
PAW 22 Rainer Schuettler over Nicolas Kiefer
PAW 23 Tim Henman over Jurgen Melzer
PAW 24 Joachim Johansson over Juan Monaco
PAW 25 Fernando Gonzalez over Karol Kucera
PAW 26 Sebastien Grosjean over Nicolas Lapentti
PAW 27 Nicolas Massu over Andrei Pavel
PAW 28 Jiri Novak over Stefan Koubek
PAW 29 Feliciano Lopez over Thierry Ascione
PAW 30 Juan Ignacio Chela over Cyril Saulnier
Frooty_Bazooty
03-26-2004, 04:31 PM
anantak, you can only make 19 picks :eek:
Frooty_Bazooty
03-26-2004, 04:38 PM
PAW9: Squillari over Lee [13] (Callens vs Kirilenko match is still in play)
PAW10: Hernych over Phillipoussis [27]
PAW11: Reid over Verkerk [24]
Lady
03-26-2004, 05:02 PM
PAW7: Ivanisevic over Nadal
PAW8: Pavel over N. Massu
Lady
03-26-2004, 05:04 PM
Sorry, the number of my previous PAWs are 8 & 9! :)
Lady
03-26-2004, 05:24 PM
PAW10: Mello over Srichaphan (24)
PAW11: Hernych over Philippoussis (27)
PAW12: Reid over Verkerk (24)
Havok
03-26-2004, 06:41 PM
PAW 2: Ivanisevic over Nadal (53)
PAW 3: Koubek over Novak (16)
PAW 4: Ginepri over Gaudio (10)
PAW 5: Mello over Srichaphan (24)
PAW 6: Ried over Verkerk (24)
PAW 7: Dent over Bjorkman (11)
Masto22
03-26-2004, 07:14 PM
PAW 7: N. Kiefer d. R. Schuettler(6)
Masto22
03-26-2004, 07:22 PM
PAW 8: Calleri d. Burgsmuller
Masto22
03-26-2004, 07:29 PM
PAW 9: T. Reid d. M. Verkerk(15)
Bolivero
03-26-2004, 07:30 PM
PAW: ?? Koubek over Novak
PAW: ?? Mello over Strichapan
PAW ??: Kiefer over Schuettler
PAW ??: Calleri over Burgsmuller
PAW ??: Reid over Bjorkman
i dont know which of my PAWs were late.
Masto22
03-26-2004, 07:45 PM
Ivanisevic lost :)
SaFed2005
03-26-2004, 10:44 PM
PAW 31 Lleyton Hewitt over Andrei Pavel
PAW 32 Todd Martin over Jurgen Melzer
PAW 33 Guillermo Coria over Juan Ignacio Chela
PAW 34 Ivan Ljubicic over Julien Benneteau
PAW 35 Max Mirnyi over Franco Squillari
WyveN
03-26-2004, 11:30 PM
ummmm.........you 16 picks over the limit :lol:
Masto22
03-27-2004, 03:40 AM
Where is the 2nd and 3rd round points???
broncosven
03-27-2004, 08:32 AM
paw 10 R. Stepanek over F. Verdasco.
paw 11 M. Safin over V. Spadea
paw 12 T. Reid over M.Verkek
paw 13 M. Mirnyi over ???
paw 14 T. Dent over J. Bjorkman
Scoring points for all 2nd round matches are updated :)
Mane
03-27-2004, 12:01 PM
PAW8:Rochus over Robredo
PAW9:Hernich over Philippoussis
PAW10:Malisse over Costa
PAW11:Canas over Schalken
PAW12:Monaco over Kuerten
WyveN
03-27-2004, 12:08 PM
PAW 6 Lapentti over Grosjean (13)
WyveN
03-27-2004, 12:09 PM
PAW 7: Ascione over Lopez (17)
WyveN
03-27-2004, 12:12 PM
PAW 8: Hernych over Mark P (27)
WyveN
03-27-2004, 12:14 PM
PAW 9: Canas over Schalken (18)
MATTHIAS
03-27-2004, 12:23 PM
PAW5: Malisse over Costa
PAW6: Burgsmüller over Calleri
PAW7: Grosjean over Lapentti
PAW8: Safin over Spadea
PAW9: Mello over Srichaphan
PAW10: Reid over Verkerk
Klio
03-27-2004, 12:28 PM
PAW10: Canas over Schalken
PAW11: Reid over Verkerk
PAW12: Safin over Spadea
PAW13: Dent over Bjorkman
PAW14: Rochus over Robredo
PAW15: Burgsmuller over Calleri
PAW16: Mello over Srichaphan
PAW17: Ulihrach over Hrbaty
nitsansh
03-27-2004, 12:32 PM
PAW 7: Ascione over Lopez (17)
Match started last night
paellapan
03-27-2004, 12:42 PM
PAW10 Monaco over Kuerten
PAW11 Dent over Bjorkman
PAW12 Canas over Schalken
PAW13 Squillari over Mirnyi
Neely
03-27-2004, 12:55 PM
PAW 11: MÓNACO over Kuerten
PAW 12: VERDASCO over Stepanek
PAW 13: KOUBEK over Novak
PAW 14: REID over Verkerk
nitsansh
03-27-2004, 12:57 PM
PAW11: M. Safin(31)....... over V. Spadea........... {10-10}
PAW12: O. Rochus.......... over T. Robredo(19)...... {15-7}
Lady
03-27-2004, 01:17 PM
PAW13: Safin over Spadea (10)
PAW14: Canas over Schalken (18)
oxy
03-27-2004, 01:58 PM
PAW9: Canas over Schalken
PAW10: Verdasco over Stephanek
PAW11: Reid over Verkerk
jrm
03-27-2004, 01:59 PM
PAW16: ROCHUS def. ROBREDO
Frooty_Bazooty
03-27-2004, 02:03 PM
PAW12: Canas over Schalken [18]
Frooty_Bazooty
03-27-2004, 02:05 PM
PAW13: Burgmuller over Calleri [15]
Masto22
03-27-2004, 03:22 PM
PAW 10: J. Monaco(q) d. G. Kuerten(18)
PAW 11: J. Hernych(q) d. M. Philippoussis(11)
PAW 12: G. Canas d. S. Schalken(13)
PinkFeatherBoa
03-27-2004, 03:49 PM
PAW5:J. Hernych(q) over M. Philippoussis(11).......{27-4}
PAW6:X. Malisse over A. Costa(22)................{13-7}
PAW7:Dent over Bjorkman {11-9}
WyveN
03-27-2004, 04:11 PM
Match started last night
are you sure, whats the score?
SaFed2005
03-27-2004, 04:12 PM
PAW 36 Malisse over A. Costa
PAW 37 M. Philippoussis over J. Hernych
PAW 38 G. Canas d. S. Schalken(13)
PAW 39 G. Kuerten over J. Monaco
PAW 40 Reid over Verkerk
PAW 41 Safin over Spadea
PAW 42 Srichaphan over Mello
PAW 43 Agassi over Zabaleta
PAW 44 Roddick over Beck
PAW 45 Robredo over Rochus
Nir
03-27-2004, 04:18 PM
PAW 36 Malisse over A. Costa
PAW 37 M. Philippoussis over J. Hernych
PAW 38 G. Canas d. S. Schalken(13)
PAW 39 G. Kuerten over J. Monaco
PAW 40 Reid over Verkerk
PAW 41 Safin over Spadea
PAW 42 Srichaphan over Mello
PAW 43 Agassi over Zabaleta
PAW 44 Roddick over Beck
PAW 45 Robredo over Rochus
Would you please take a look at the first post where is sais that u can predict only 19 matches in the main draw
nitsansh
03-27-2004, 04:38 PM
are you sure, whats the score?
Court 6 (from 10.00hrs)
3. ATP: Ascione vs. Lopez (to finish 4-3)
nitsansh
03-27-2004, 04:41 PM
are you sure, whats the score?Court 6 (from 10.00hrs)
3. ATP: Ascione vs. Lopez (to finish 4-3)
Blaze
03-27-2004, 04:43 PM
PAW 5: R. Mello def. Srichapan
PAW 6: A. Roddick def. K. Beck
Bolivero
03-27-2004, 07:18 PM
PAW ??: Hernych over Philippoussis
PAW ??: Malisse over Costa
PAW ??: Monaco over Kuerten
PAW ??: Canas over Schalken
PAW ??: Roddick over Beck
someone please tell me how many PAWs ive done? because i dont know which ones were late.
Bolivero
03-27-2004, 07:20 PM
PAW ??: Agassi over Zabaleta
SaFed2005
03-27-2004, 07:42 PM
Would you please take a look at the first post where is sais that u can predict only 19 matches in the main draw
:confused:
Ooops! I didn't even realize that... My fault... :awww: sorry... :banghead:
Nir
03-27-2004, 08:05 PM
:confused:
Ooops! I didn't even realize that... My fault... :awww: sorry... :banghead:
Thats ok never mind now you know :)
Masto22
03-28-2004, 02:05 AM
3rd round points???
Spikey_Todd Reid_#1Fan
03-28-2004, 06:13 AM
PAW10: Reid over Calleri :D :D :D
PAW11: Spadea over Stephanek
PAW12: Hernych over Robredo
PAW13: Canas over Malisse
PAW14: Novak over Gonzalez
Bolivero
03-28-2004, 07:30 AM
someone please tell me how many PAWs ive done? because i dont know which ones were late.
marcobarella2
03-28-2004, 10:30 AM
PAW9: Gonzalez over Novak
PAW10: Ginepri over Kiefer
Mane
03-28-2004, 12:23 PM
PAW12:Hewitt over Pavel
PAW13:Hernych over Robredo
PAW14:Monaco over Srichaphan
WyveN
03-28-2004, 12:24 PM
What are the points for the next round?
WyveN
03-28-2004, 12:26 PM
I think this is a mistake
A. Pavel................vs. L. Hewitt(17)............{7-13}
Nir
03-28-2004, 12:27 PM
look I posted the scoring points for round 3 an hour ago so why are you asking what are they if they are posted...just look in the first post ok :)
Also league table is updated now after the 2nd round :)
WyveN
03-28-2004, 12:29 PM
Nir are the Pavel-Hewitt points correct?
thanks
Nir
03-28-2004, 12:30 PM
PAW11: Reid over Calleri
PAW12: Monaco over Srichaphan
PAW13: Canas over Malisse
PAW14: Hernych over Robredo
Nir
03-28-2004, 12:31 PM
Nir are the Pavel-Hewitt points correct?
thanks
No they werent thanks for notifying me that mistake and its been fixed :wavey:
oxy
03-28-2004, 12:33 PM
PAW12:Reid over Calleri
PAW13:Hernych over Robredo
PAW14:Canas over Malisse
paellapan
03-28-2004, 12:35 PM
PAW14 Federer over Nadal
PAW15 Benneteau over Ljubicic
WyveN
03-28-2004, 12:38 PM
PAW 9: Monacco over Paradorn (25)
PAW 10: Hernych over Robredo (27)
PAW 11: Pavel over Hewitt (13)
PAW 12: Canas over Malisse (14)
Lady
03-28-2004, 12:45 PM
PAW15: Monaco over Srichaphan (25)
PAW16: Reid over Calleri (19)
PAW17: Hernych over Robredo (27)
PAW18: Canas over Malisse (14)
PAW 15: HERNYCH over Robredo
PAW 16: BENNETEAU over Ljubicic
Nica
03-28-2004, 01:53 PM
paw13: Reid over Calleri
paw14: Roddick over Bjorkman
paw15: Monaco over Srichaphan
paw16: Canas over Malisse
MATTHIAS
03-28-2004, 02:14 PM
PAW11: Federer over Nadal
PAW12: Ginepri over Kiefer
PAW13: Reid over Calleri
Masto22
03-28-2004, 02:29 PM
PAW13: J. Monaco(q) d. P. Srichaphan(9)
PAW14: J. Hernych(q) d. T. Robredo(19)
PAW15: G. Canas d. X. Malisse
nitsansh
03-28-2004, 03:01 PM
PAW13: J. Hernych(q)...... over T. Robredo(19)...... {27-4}
PAW14: J. Monaco(q)....... over P. Srichaphan(9).... {25-4}
PAW15: T. Reid............ over A. Calleri(20)...... {19-6}
nitsansh
03-28-2004, 03:11 PM
PAW16: A. Pavel........... over L. Hewitt(17)....... {13-7}
Havok
03-28-2004, 08:53 PM
PAW 8: Reid over Calleri (19)
PAW 9: Agassi over Mirnyi (8)
PAW 10: Hyrbaty over Moya 912)
PAW 11: Roddick over Bjorkman (8)
PAW 12: Monaco over Srichaphan (25)
Spikey_Todd Reid_#1Fan
03-29-2004, 12:36 AM
PAW16: J. Monaco(q) over P. Srichaphan(9)........{25-4}
Bolivero
03-29-2004, 06:53 AM
PAW 16: Reid over Calleri
PAW 17: Monaco over Srichapan
Frooty_Bazooty
03-29-2004, 06:59 AM
PAW14: Monaco over Srichaphan
Frooty_Bazooty
03-29-2004, 06:59 AM
PAW15: Canas over Malisse
broncosven
03-29-2004, 08:38 AM
paw15 T. Reid over A. Calleri
paw 16 A. Agassi over M. Mirnyi
paw 17 A. Roddick over J. Bjorkman
bgbgbg
03-29-2004, 09:15 AM
well, after 5 days off :scratch: i'm still in competition at least for top 10 finish
PAW 6: Reid over Calleri (19)
PAW 7: Agassi over Mirnyi (8)
PAW 8: Hrbaty over Moya (12)
PAW 9: Hernych over Robredo (27)
PAW10: Roddick over Bjorkman (8)
PinkFeatherBoa
03-29-2004, 10:04 AM
PAW8: Roddick over Bjorkman (8)
PAW9: Canas over Malisse (14)
PAW10: Agassi over Miryni(8)
PAW11: Hernych over Robredo (27)
Nir
03-29-2004, 10:40 AM
League Table after top half 3th round is updated :)
harvey
03-29-2004, 11:16 AM
the whole league table passed me by...and thats ok.
but i am interested to know why EVERYone thinks monaco, reid, hernych, canas will all win?
is there a good reason?
paellapan
03-29-2004, 12:25 PM
PAW16 - Canas over Malisse
marcobarella2
03-29-2004, 12:46 PM
PAW11: Reid over Calleri
PAW12: Monaco over Srichapan
PAW13: Hernych over Robredo
Neely
03-29-2004, 01:02 PM
the whole league table passed me by...and thats ok.
but i am interested to know why EVERYone thinks monaco, reid, hernych, canas will all win?
is there a good reason?
yes, there is a good reason. :)
Just look at the distribution of the points of the points and you will get the answer:
J. Monaco(q).........vs. P. Srichaphan(9)........{25-4}
T. Reid.................vs. A. Calleri(20).............{19-6}
T. Robredo(19)......vs. J. Hernych(q).............{4-27}
You notice that in our game, an even match is around {10-10} or {10-11} or something like that.
Now look at Mónaco? Do you really think Srichaphan deserves to be such a heavy favorite? What did Srichaphan do recently on hardcourt? What did he do the last weeks? Nothing. And what did Mónaco do? One great performance after another, no matter if on clay or on hardcourt. I see this match almost even, would still give a slight advantage to Srichaphan, maybe arouond {8-13}, but 25-4 is too good to pass it up and so everyone takes it.
Robredo and Hernych. Robredo for me is one of the most overrated players on hardcourt. Sure, Hernych only survived a very bad playing Philippoussis and he is still one of the unknown players, but his serve is very strong and Robredo had lots of difficulties to handle little and weak serving Rochus (Robredo "only" won 7-6 in the 3rd set tiebreaker). So what's going to happen with Hernych? Do you think Robredo has 6 or 7 times more probability to win against Hernych? No, I would not say that, Robredo IMO still the favorite, but again, 27-4 is way off reality and so everyone likes to go with the value points and picks Hernych.
Another reason to pick Hernych, Reid and Mónaco is that you can't collect enough points if you pick nothing else than players that reward a win with only 4 or 6 points. Look at all the leaders, they all did it picking players that gave them lots of points.
I hope that's explanation enough :)
Lady
03-29-2004, 02:42 PM
Neely, the scoring points are based on the rankings, and I found it to be pretty fair... :shrug:
It's still a risk to choose an unknown player, cos Monaco, Reid & others still have more chances to lose, costing some PAW picks for us!
Neely
03-29-2004, 02:59 PM
Neely, the scoring points are based on the rankings, and I found it to be pretty fair... :shrug:
sure, that's okay. Somehow you have to do it.
My only intention with my posting above was to explain why many people take Hernych, Reid or other big underdogs: because their chances to win are better than their scoring points are indicating. So many people consider it as a good value.
That's all. :)
Neely
03-29-2004, 09:29 PM
PAW 17: MÓNACO over Srichaphan
Bolivero
03-30-2004, 06:31 AM
PAW 17: Pavel over Hewitt (has it been played yet?)
PAW 18: Gonzalez over Novak
bgbgbg
03-30-2004, 12:15 PM
PAW11: Martin over Pavel (12)
PAW12: Grosjean over Kiefer (8)
PAW13: Agassi over Calleri (9)
PAW14: Moya over Robredo (9)
PAW15: Roddick over Canas (6)
Nir
03-30-2004, 12:51 PM
Scoring points for 4th round and league table after 3th round were updated an hour ago :)
PAW15: Kiefer over Grosjean
Nica
03-30-2004, 12:59 PM
paw17: Nadal over Gonzales
paw18: Spadea over Srichaphan
nitsansh
03-30-2004, 01:14 PM
PAW17: R. Nadal(32)..........over F. Gonzales(21).........{12-9}
A gramatic note to the organizer (If you don't mind...):
Abbreviation for third is 3rd
oxy
03-30-2004, 01:42 PM
PAW15: Nadal over Gonzales
PAW16: Spaeda over Srichaphan
Neely
03-30-2004, 02:20 PM
PAW 18: SPADEA over Srichaphan
PAW 19: T. MARTIN over Pavel
marcobarella2
03-30-2004, 02:49 PM
PAW14: Nadal over Gonzales
PAW15: Martin over Pavel
Masto22
03-30-2004, 04:04 PM
16: A. Calleri(20) d. A. Agassi(4)
17: G. CaÑas d. A. Roddick(2)
Masto22
03-30-2004, 04:10 PM
Please Nir, could you correct my points, the total is 212, and not 209,
Here you have all my victories, thank you...
PAW 2: Ivanisevic def. Escude 50 1r
PAW 5: Reid d. Saretta 17 1r
PAW 6: J. Monaco d. J. Johansson 19 1r
PAW 7: Kiefer d. Schuettler 13 2r
PAW 8: Calleri d. Burgsmuller 06 2r
PAW 9: T. Reid d. M. Verkerk(15) 24 2r
PAW10: J. Monaco(q) d. G. Kuerten(18) 24 2r
PAW11: J. Hernych(q) d. M. Philippoussis(11) 27 2r
PAW12: G. Cañas d. S. Schalken(13) 18 2r
PAW15: G. Canas d. X. Malisse 14 3r
Frooty_Bazooty
03-30-2004, 07:15 PM
PAW16: Nadal over Gonzalez
PAW17: Spadea over Srichaphan
PinkFeatherBoa
03-30-2004, 07:49 PM
PAW12: C. Moya over T. Robredo{9}
PAW13: V. Spadea over P. Srichaphan{12}
PAW14: G.Canas over A.Roddick{18}
By the way Nir I'm just pointing out that I think should have only 11PAWs to my name in the table, instead of 12 because one of my PAWs was too late, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Lady
03-30-2004, 08:21 PM
PAW19: Canas over Roddick
WyveN
03-30-2004, 09:05 PM
PAW 13: Canas d Roddick
WyveN
03-30-2004, 09:09 PM
PAW 14: Spadea over Paradorn
Havok
03-31-2004, 12:59 AM
PAW 13: Roddick over Moya
PAW 14: Gonzalez over Pavel
PAW 15: Coria over Kiefer
Spikey_Todd Reid_#1Fan
03-31-2004, 09:44 AM
PAW16: Spadea over Calleri
PAW17: Roddick over Moya
PAW18: Pavel over Gonzalez
jrm
03-31-2004, 10:19 AM
PAW19: KIEFER def. CORIA
bgbgbg
03-31-2004, 10:45 AM
PAW16: Spadea over Calleri
PAW17: Moya over Roddick
PinkFeatherBoa
03-31-2004, 12:09 PM
PAW15: Pavel over Gonzales{13}
PAW16: Roddick over Moya {10}
PAW17: Spadea over Kiefer {12}
nitsansh
03-31-2004, 12:12 PM
PAW18: A. Pavel........... over F. Gonzales(21)..... {13-8}
bgbgbg
03-31-2004, 12:38 PM
PAW16: Spadea over Calleri
PAW17: Moya over Roddick
correction:
PAW17: Roddick over Moya
sorry Nir
Mane
03-31-2004, 12:43 PM
PAW17:Pavel over Gonzalez
PAW18:Kiefer over Coria
PAW19:Spadea over Calleri
SaFed2005
03-31-2004, 12:43 PM
Roddick over Moya
Calleri over Spadea
Coria over Keifer
Pavel over Gonzales
paellapan
03-31-2004, 01:07 PM
PAW17 Kiefer over Coria
Nir
03-31-2004, 02:12 PM
PAW16: Kiefer over Coria
PAW17: Pavel over Gonzales
oxy
03-31-2004, 02:52 PM
PAW17: Pavel over Gonzalez
marcobarella2
03-31-2004, 06:21 PM
PAW16: Pavel over Gonzales
PAW17: Kiefer over Coria
nitsansh
03-31-2004, 06:56 PM
Roddick over Moya
Calleri over Spadea
Coria over Keifer
Pavel over Gonzales
You have no picks remaining...
Frooty_Bazooty
03-31-2004, 06:57 PM
PAW18: Kiefer over Coria
WyveN
03-31-2004, 08:33 PM
PAW 15: Pavel over Gonzalez
MATTHIAS
03-31-2004, 08:43 PM
PAW14: Roddick over Moya
PAW15: Spadea over Calleri
PAW16: Pavel over Gonzalez
Masto22
03-31-2004, 11:20 PM
PAW18: A. Calleri(20) d. V. Spadea
PAW19: A. Roddick(2) d. C. Moya(5)
Bilbo
04-01-2004, 12:09 AM
PAW1: A. Calleri(20) d. V. Spadea
paellapan
04-01-2004, 08:16 AM
PAW17 Roddick over Moya
PAW18 Calleri over Spadea
MATTHIAS
04-01-2004, 09:19 AM
PAW17: Coria over Gonzalez
WyveN
04-01-2004, 09:23 AM
PAW 16: Spadea over Calleri
Havok
04-02-2004, 03:06 AM
PAW 15: Gonzalez over Coria
PAW 16: Roddick over Spadea
PinkFeatherBoa
04-02-2004, 12:47 PM
PAW18: Gonzales over Coria {12}
Bilbo
04-02-2004, 01:16 PM
PAW 2: Spadea over Roddick
Nir
04-02-2004, 01:22 PM
PAW18: Gonzales over Coria
MATTHIAS
04-02-2004, 06:40 PM
most likley i´m to late :(
PAW17: Coria over Gonzalez
PAW18: Spadea over Roddick
nitsansh
04-02-2004, 08:03 PM
Matthias, Coria allready beat Gonzalez...
MATTHIAS
04-02-2004, 08:44 PM
Matthias, Coria allready beat Gonzalez...
i already thought i´m too late, then i will finish with 18 picks, no problem
my performence wasn´t good, and this 1 pick wouldn´t have change it ;)
WyveN
04-02-2004, 09:04 PM
PAW 17: Spadea over Roddick
Spikey_Todd Reid_#1Fan
04-03-2004, 01:34 AM
PAW19: Roddick over Coria
Havok
04-03-2004, 01:57 AM
PAW 17: Roddick over Coria
heya
04-03-2004, 03:15 AM
Spadea LMAO!
oxy
04-03-2004, 05:46 AM
PAW18: Coria over Roddick
WyveN
04-03-2004, 05:49 AM
PAW 18: Roddick over Coria
bgbgbg
04-03-2004, 10:24 AM
PAW18: Roddick over Coria
Nica
04-03-2004, 12:38 PM
PAW19: Roddick over Coria
nitsansh
04-03-2004, 05:25 PM
PAW19: A. Roddick (2)..... over G. Coria (3)........ {?}
What are the scores in the final?
Bilbo
04-03-2004, 07:28 PM
PAW 3: Roddick over Coria
Bolivero
04-04-2004, 10:27 AM
PAW 18: Roddick over Coria
Klio
04-04-2004, 12:49 PM
PAW 18: G. Coria(3)...........vs. A. Roddick(2)
PinkFeatherBoa
04-04-2004, 03:33 PM
PAW19: Roddick over Coria {10}
MATTHIAS
04-04-2004, 03:42 PM
PAW 18: G. Coria(3)...........vs. A. Roddick(2)
nitsansh
04-05-2004, 12:47 AM
PAW 18: G. Coria(3)...........vs. A. Roddick(2)
PAW 18: G. Coria(3)...........vs. A. Roddick(2)
There's no indication of the winner. These PAWs should not be valid.