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Mardy Fish upsets (4) Ivan Ljubicic 4-6 7-6 6-4 6-4

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 07:22 AM
cant say i didnt call this in the Main Draw thread :)

nothing special from Fish or Ljubo....fish saved some bp and got 2 breaks...

Ivan played great in the first...took a injury time out and it went down hill from than.

also Fish played good at the net :D

flame away :lol:

TheBoiledEgg
01-15-2007, 07:24 AM
Ivan should have used a rod instead of a net :lol:

SloKid
01-15-2007, 07:24 AM
I knew it! Well done Mardy!

ufokart
01-15-2007, 07:25 AM
Fish :woohoo: :woohoo:

jayjay
01-15-2007, 07:25 AM
Ivan Ljubicic - 30 Grand Slams played. Beyond 3rd round - twice. What a player.

missbungle
01-15-2007, 07:25 AM
:lol:

Well done Mardy!

cartmancop
01-15-2007, 07:25 AM
Excellent day for the American men!!! :D

RickDaStick
01-15-2007, 07:25 AM
Alright im going to bed but dont dissapoint Ljubo haters. When i get on tomorrow i want to see some high quality flaming.

TMJordan
01-15-2007, 07:26 AM
:rolleyes:

Naranoc
01-15-2007, 07:26 AM
:lol: It wasn't entirely unexpected, but at least it's better than losing to Lopez at the U.S Open.

Björki
01-15-2007, 07:26 AM
congrats Mardy :yeah:

nobama
01-15-2007, 07:26 AM
:haha:

SwiSha
01-15-2007, 07:27 AM
he looked like he couldnt care less imo .. the last sets were awful..maybe he was injured ..but if not that was one bad effort in a Grand Slam .. not a Ivan hater ..quite a fan actually but very dissappointed by his display

Tzar
01-15-2007, 07:27 AM
Its Amazing SECOND Grand Slam -IN ROW- where Ljubicic is eliminated in 1r!US OPEN 06 & AO 07!

Well This Is The Score Mardy Fish D.[4] Ivan Ljubicic 4-6, 7-6, 6-4, 6-4

This is really SHOCKING! Sorry guys! (Ivans Fans)

Luck tomorrow To david!..

PD: Srichaphan Loss To a Q! :( And roddick was surprised by Tsong

WAYYYYYYY TO GOOOO MARDY!

Naide
01-15-2007, 07:28 AM
bravo mardy

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 07:28 AM
he looked like he couldnt care less imo .. the last sets were awful..maybe he was injured ..but if not that was one pathetic effort in a Grand Slam .

What did he take the injury TO for?

oz_boz
01-15-2007, 07:28 AM
Is this a joke?

If not, well, not a huge surprise given Ljubo's dismal GS record (dismal for a top-5 player that is).

Leo
01-15-2007, 07:28 AM
:bounce: Well done, Mardy.

And the GS blowing continues for Ljuby.

adee-gee
01-15-2007, 07:29 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Another quite brilliant display from Ljubicic when it matters most.

Lack of effort, lack of skill, lack of class.

Totally outplayed by Fish.

And Jerry, the man that "called it" was so sure of a Fish win that he put $1.6 million in vcash on Ljubicic :worship:

Vin Judah
01-15-2007, 07:29 AM
An expected suprise...

UncleZeke
01-15-2007, 07:30 AM
28 aces for Ljubicic. only 1 of 7 in break points.

zicofirol
01-15-2007, 07:30 AM
oh god, look at the horror that ljubicic has left, his side of the draw has just crappy players, I will actually be rooting for stepanek on that side to reach qf's horrible draw now, as for ljubicic, what a joke of a top 5 he is...

darnyelb
01-15-2007, 07:30 AM
go Fish! has he ever beaten someone that highly ranked before?

why does the Aus Open scoreboard say the match ended at 5-4 in the 4th? Ljubicic didn't sissy up and retire did he?

leng jai
01-15-2007, 07:30 AM
Oh god. Someone should told him it was a DC match instead

SwiSha
01-15-2007, 07:30 AM
What did he take the injury TO for?

lol how many players are taking TO just for medical reason nowdays??.. and yes if u are injured i think u should better retire then playing like this don t u think ?

Black Adam
01-15-2007, 07:30 AM
Nothing less than a final huh ;) :haha: :lol: :haha: It's not unexpected nor an upset, I van never does well in slams, better luck in the TMS where he chokes less

bad gambler
01-15-2007, 07:31 AM
Very disappointing effort, or lack thereof from Ljubicic from the 3rd set onwards.

Congrats to Fish all the same

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 07:32 AM
[QUOTE=adee-gee;

And Jerry, the man that "called it" was so sure of a Fish win that he put $1.6 million in vcash on Ljubicic :worship:[/QUOTE]

i cheated in the vCash anyways :lol: check the Bugs and Errors section...

SwiSha
01-15-2007, 07:32 AM
Very disappointing effort, or lack thereof from Ljubicic from the 3rd set onwards.

Congrats to Fish all the same

yep the last 2 sets were really ....

darnyelb
01-15-2007, 07:32 AM
it really is ridiculous that Ljubicic is squandering these opportunities. Not that Mardy is anything to sneeze at as a player, but Ivan is much much better than this.

bokehlicious
01-15-2007, 07:32 AM
Ljubo !! :(

Seneca
01-15-2007, 07:32 AM
See you in Zagreb, Bald Dwarf.

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 07:34 AM
See you in Zagreb, Bald Dwarf.

he's 6'4

jayjay
01-15-2007, 07:34 AM
but Ivan is much much better than this.

Is he really though?

30 GS played, beyond 3rd R - twice. Speaks for itself.

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 07:35 AM
Is he really though?

30 GS played, beyond 3rd R - twice. Speaks for itself.

yeah it does..make it to #3 in world..with that kind of GS record..

*Ljubica*
01-15-2007, 07:35 AM
I'm not a Fish fan, but he played well and held his nerve in the important moments. Well done to him. But after the 1st set - Ivan was just dreadful :rolleyes: I can only assume he must have been sick or injured.

BgStallion
01-15-2007, 07:37 AM
it was a nice match :) Well Ljubicic wasn't himself today and let's not forget that Fish played very well.

Sofyaxo
01-15-2007, 07:38 AM
MARDY!!!

I'm over excited about this.

And ugh, what happened to Ivan :eek: I can't wait to hear his excuse for the loss.

zicofirol
01-15-2007, 07:39 AM
yeah it does..make it to #3 in world..with that kind of GS record..

yeah, shows what being a tournament whore and playing all the tournaments with no top players leads too...

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 07:40 AM
yeah, shows what being a tournament whore and playing all the tournaments with no top players leads too...

davydenko? Ljubicic plays 22 tournaments yearly. 13 of those are GS and TMS

jayjay
01-15-2007, 07:40 AM
yeah it does..make it to #3 in world..with that kind of GS record..

It shows that he's good in smaller tournaments, but when it comes to the ones that matter and put you in the history books....<cough>He is shit<cough>

JMG
01-15-2007, 07:41 AM
:lol: It wasn't entirely unexpected, but at least it's better than losing to Lopez at the U.S Open.

But not much better.

adee-gee
01-15-2007, 07:41 AM
I'm not a Fish fan, but he played well and held his nerve in the important moments. Well done to him. But after the 1st set - Ivan was just dreadful :rolleyes: I can only assume he must have been sick or injured.
Or just crap ;)

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 07:42 AM
It shows that he's good in smaller tournaments, but when it comes to the ones that matter and put you in the history books....<cough>He is shit<cough>

its shame Head is giving him 3 million over next 3 years :lol:

missbungle
01-15-2007, 07:42 AM
I expect Ljubicic to drop out of the top ten this year.

2moretogo
01-15-2007, 07:43 AM
Great job Mardy! Ljubo is a joke... WTH? He has a title in Zagreb, maybe that's what he was thinking about.

nobama
01-15-2007, 07:46 AM
yeah it does..make it to #3 in world..with that kind of GS record..Nobody is going to care that he was #3 in the world. Results in GS matter.

Apemant
01-15-2007, 07:46 AM
Ljubo played mediocre, but Mardy seems to have found a foolproof winning strategy against him: serve big - it gets you out of hard situations (as Ljubo can't return a half decent 1st serve), and always be on the aggressive. It often provokes UEs from Ljubo, especially at FH side. Good thinking there.

jayjay
01-15-2007, 07:47 AM
its shame Head is giving him 3 million over next 3 years :lol:

They lost their "Head" when they gave him that deal.

marcelwks
01-15-2007, 07:47 AM
bye bye Ivan :woohoo:

RickDaStick
01-15-2007, 07:48 AM
dissapointing stuff from the haters so far. Whers blaze when you need him.

vincayou
01-15-2007, 07:50 AM
And again...
Another 1st round loss even. His opponent was not the easiest he could get, but still...

lunahielo
01-15-2007, 07:51 AM
This shocks me, it really does.
I like Ivan and all in all I think he is a much better athlete and tennis player than Fish.

But, I guess he wasn't today.
:)

Peacemaster
01-15-2007, 07:53 AM
I guess the Fish in an eel...

adee-gee
01-15-2007, 07:55 AM
dissapointing stuff from the haters so far. Whers blaze when you need him.
We didn't want to make you cry :hug:

I suppose in a way it's good for you that Ivan is out, you can concentrate on bashing Nadal :)

RickDaStick
01-15-2007, 07:57 AM
We didn't want to make you cry :hug:

I suppose in a way it's good for you that Ivan is out, you can concentrate on bashing Nadal :)

vamos rafa sux

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 07:57 AM
We didn't want to make you cry :hug:

I suppose in a way it's good for you that Ivan is out, you can concentrate on bashing Nadal :)

there is plenty of good bashing left at this tourny...Nadal going early...Blake losing to Moya...Roddick to Safin..:drool: i cant wait :lol:

adee-gee
01-15-2007, 07:59 AM
vamos rafa sux
Well as long as he doesn't lose to Kendrick, your prediction that "I would bet anything that Ljubicic goes further than Nadal" is wrong :yeah:

HappyAndie
01-15-2007, 08:00 AM
Mardy is my hero! :bounce:

I knew he had been playing well as of late, but it all came together for him! So, if Mardy beat Ivan,and Ivan believes himself to be the real no. 2, then does that make Mardy the new, real no. 2?;)

RickDaStick
01-15-2007, 08:01 AM
Well as long as he doesn't lose to Kendrick, your prediction that "I would bet anything that Ljubicic goes further than Nadal" is wrong :yeah:

Should of took me up on that offer:)

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 08:01 AM
Mardy is my hero! :bounce:

I knew he had been playing well as of late, but it all came together for him! So, if Mardy beat Ivan,and Ivan believes himself to be the real no. 2, then does that make Mardy the new, real no. 2?;)

that so old..like early 2006 :lol:


also Fish didnt have any BPs until 3rd set.

adee-gee
01-15-2007, 08:04 AM
Should of took me up on that offer:)
Don't worry, I get enough pleasure out of the fact that Ljubicic lost :dance:

Rafa = Fed Killa
01-15-2007, 08:06 AM
Lluboho :clap2:

Actually won a set, thats more than I epected from the bald clown. Once a loser always a loser...good old Lluboho.

HappyAndie
01-15-2007, 08:06 AM
that so old..like early 2006 :lol:


also Fish didnt have any BPs until 3rd set.

That's what happens when I am up this late :)

Oh well, Mardy is still neat.

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 08:06 AM
Don't worry, I get enough pleasure out of the fact that Ljubicic lost :dance:

now i can focus on school which starts tuesday, instead of staying up and watching matches :lol: im kind like it ;)

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 08:07 AM
Lluboho :clap2:

Actually won a set, thats more than I epected from the bald clown. Once a loser always a loser...good old Lluboho.

:wavey: in case i miss your farewell :kiss:

RickDaStick
01-15-2007, 08:09 AM
Don't worry, I get enough pleasure out of the fact that Ljubicic lost :dance:


Make sure you enjoy it, rumor has it the Vamos Tour is on its way back to Spain shortly.

Naide
01-15-2007, 08:11 AM
maybe but the vamos tour has already two slams

Apemant
01-15-2007, 08:12 AM
Nobody is going to care that he was #3 in the world. Results in GS matter.

That is only partially true. Results in GS are remembered longer, that's correct - but the fact remains that everything will be forgotten eventually, given enough time; so the substance of your argument is non-existant. What matters is now - so right now, I'm sad because Ljubo lost (yet again) in the 1st round - and not because noone will remember him in 20 years time or such. Who knows if the Earth will still move in 20 years, for that matter. :devil:

adee-gee
01-15-2007, 08:14 AM
now i can focus on school which starts tuesday, instead of staying up and watching matches :lol: im kind like it ;)
Splendid, then we're all happy :aparty:

adee-gee
01-15-2007, 08:15 AM
maybe but the vamos tour has already two slams
And lots of Masters Series ;)

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 08:15 AM
Splendid, then we're all happy :aparty:

Vamos us :wavey:

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 08:21 AM
with getting sick and losing 700pts from last two AMS last year and this now...thats about 900 pts...he will still stay in top 10 and the 3-10 joggling continues :lol:

jayjay
01-15-2007, 08:24 AM
also Fish didnt have any BPs until 3rd set.

And? Does that mean he lost then?

El Legenda
01-15-2007, 08:24 AM
And? Does that mean he lost then?

no, that means Ljubicic was serving good and Fish was returning shitty until than....
:confused:

williaer
01-15-2007, 08:29 AM
Yay for Mardy!!!! :D

Horatio Caine
01-15-2007, 08:32 AM
Bend over (again) Ljubo :devil:

:wavey:

Bilbo
01-15-2007, 08:33 AM
Ivan sucks at Grand Slams

Jaap
01-15-2007, 08:33 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ljubicic worst top 5 player ever!

Horatio Caine
01-15-2007, 08:39 AM
Don't worry, I get enough pleasure out of the fact that Ljubicic lost :dance:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Mass brawl involving Serbs and Croats :rolleyes:

adee-gee
01-15-2007, 08:41 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Mass brawl involving Serbs and Croats :rolleyes:
I blame the Croats :rolleyes:

MariaV
01-15-2007, 08:44 AM
Make sure you enjoy it, rumor has it the Vamos Tour is on its way back to Spain shortly.

OMG are you a closet Rafa fan, reading Rafa's forum? :rolleyes:

tripb19
01-15-2007, 08:45 AM
Typical Ljubo.

Croat fans took frustrations out in a civilized manner :rolleyes:

SwissMister1
01-15-2007, 09:06 AM
Ljubicic should have come in to net more - he did well when he did. Not sure what his strategy was the last couple of sets. Fish came up with some very clutch serves when he had to in the last two sets, his forehand was also a bit more consistent than I remember Fish having

PeteCentral
01-15-2007, 09:12 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ljubicic worst top 5 player ever!




The worst in slams.





1. Rainer Schuettler (5) [4] 266-244 : 52.16
2. Jonas Bjorkman (4) [6] 390-327 : 54.39
3. Cédric Pioline (5) [5] 389-318 : 55.02
4. Jimmy Arias (5) [5] 286-223 : 56.19
5. Jiri Novak (5) [7] 337-260 : 56.45
6. Guy Forget (4) [11] 380-291 : 56.63
7. Nikolay Davydenko (3) [10] 213-163 : 56.65
8. Nicolas Kiefer (4) [6] 310-226 : 57.84
9. Magnus Norman (2) [12] 244-177 : 57.96
10. Henri Leconte (5) [9] 377-269 : 58.36
11. Kevin Curren (5) [5] 338-225 : 58.99
12. Sébastien Grosjean (4) [3] 311-208 : 59.92
13. Gaston Gaudio (5) [8(1)] 263-175 : 60.05
14. Andrei Medvedev (4) [11] 321-213 : 60.11
15. Ivan Ljubicic (3) [7] 285-189 : 60.13

aussie_fan
01-15-2007, 09:19 AM
I was there, for most of the 2nd and 3rd sets. Mardy just looked like the better player, espically in that tiebreaker. Ivan played like a hack.

Jogy
01-15-2007, 09:46 AM
Haha this want to be the real #2? :rolls:
Ivan, did line umpire screw you up this time against an American? :aww:

What a ****** Fish delivered to Ljubo!!!!!! well, Ljubicic, serve is not enough!

Ivan Ljubicic - 30 Grand Slams played. Beyond 3rd round - twice. What a player.
hahah, you say it man! :haha:

Ljubicic sucks, plays a few optional events or make some indoor finals at Masters, has one lucky run at French Open to semi where average rank of players he played until Nadal in semi was 80 (and the Croats and some joke figures like Rogiman make fun about Nadal's run at Wimbledon, haha!), and sucks most when he has to deliver most.

this day could not have started bigger, first thing when I switched TV on this morning was Fish delivering a thrashing to Ljubicic :banana:

CONGRAT FISH!!!!! :wavey:

jennTENnisFan06
01-15-2007, 09:53 AM
Ljubicic had QF points to defend, right? How far down the ranking can he go?

and...well done, Mardy! :D

Loremaster
01-15-2007, 09:54 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Where is fanboy IvanLjubicic ???? I've said several times on MTF before this match that Mardy Fish will AO 2007 version of Feliciano Lopez. And he did it , Ljubo so many Slams only one QF and one SF, and I said his slide in the ranking will happen (said that before AO that he won't defend QF points ).

Apemant
01-15-2007, 09:55 AM
Haha this want to be the real #2? :rolls:
Ivan, did line umpire screw you up this time against an American? :aww:


Sheesh, blessed are the poor in spirit... some people require so little to be happy. :devil:

BTW, you need to update your lame signature, its 6-3 now. Where have you been hiding the last 2 months?

Deathless Mortal
01-15-2007, 10:01 AM
:sad:

RonE
01-15-2007, 10:03 AM
I expected more of a flamewar in here. You guys are as lame as the Serbian and Croat brawlers :(

Apemant
01-15-2007, 10:03 AM
Where is fanboy IvanLjubicic ???? I've said several times on MTF before this match that Mardy Fish will AO 2007 version of Feliciano Lopez. And he did it , Ljubo so many Slams only one QF and one SF, and I said his slide in the ranking will happen (said that before AO that he won't defend QF points ).

Seems you guessed it this time, no mistake about that. But then again, gloating like this will only provoke the same reaction next time something ill-favoured happens to the people you root for. And thus we come to a full circle. Ah well, I guess people genuinely enjoy bashing each other like that. Which might as well prove to be the reason behind our own undoing. :devil:

Jogy
01-15-2007, 10:05 AM
Where have you been hiding the last 2 months?
winter break, no real tennis

Apemant
01-15-2007, 10:06 AM
winter break, no real tennis

Ok, that's settled; now update your sig. ;)

Deathless Mortal
01-15-2007, 10:10 AM
I didn't watch the match, but I'm very dissapointed... If it's true that Ljubo said nothing less than final would be dissapointing, then this is terrible... 1st round loss... Two slams in a row, before that third round at Wimbledon after droping 2-0, *6-5... I don't know why is he (exept last year's AO and RG) that weak at slams... Don't mention the points... After QF, now 1st round. I'm waiting for Zagreb, it's not a slam, i hope Ljubo'll win that..

Klaas_nalbandian
01-15-2007, 10:15 AM
well done mardy

yomike
01-15-2007, 10:21 AM
I kinda had this feeling when I was watching the livescores that Ivan was gonna lose this one. He was like up a set and he was still not on top of Fish.

Apemant
01-15-2007, 10:31 AM
I didn't watch the match, but I'm very dissapointed... If it's true that Ljubo said nothing less than final would be dissapointing, then this is terrible... 1st round loss... Two slams in a row, before that third round at Wimbledon after droping 2-0, *6-5... I don't know why is he (exept last year's AO and RG) that weak at slams... Don't mention the points... After QF, now 1st round. I'm waiting for Zagreb, it's not a slam, i hope Ljubo'll win that..

There is no real mystery about it... till last 2 years Ljubo was an utter choker who didn't perform well anywhere, not just GS. Had just 1 tourney, back in 2001.

Last 9 GS's though, the breakdown is as follows:

AO 2005 - fell to Baghdatis in 1st round, who traditionally plays very well here (and who eventually fell to none other than Fed)
FO 2005 - fell to Puerta in 1st, who eventually came all the way to the final (juiced or not, I don't get into this: the point is, when you lose to the eventual finalist, it just doesn't mean that you 'blew it')
Wimby 2005 - grass factor. Despite his serve, grass is his worst surface; I would never even expect him to go further than 2-3 easy rounds there.
USO 2005 - fell to Gasquet in 3rd round. Didn't see the match, but one way or another, Gasquet is definitely more talented than Ljubo, when he plays well (as rare as it may be on big occasions) I would actually expect him to beat Ljubo.
AO 2006 - QF, fell to Baghdatis, the finalist.
FO 2006 - SF, fell to Nadal, the winner (easy draw though, but still)
Wimby 2006 - grass (won't go into that one again).

Now we come to the USO 2006 and AO 2007 - both times against good servers who played very solid, aggressive tennis on a given day. That is pretty much enough to beat a crappy version of Ljubo: serve big (if you can, and both Lopez and Fish do), put pressure on Ljubo's FH - and that's it. Frustrating, but hey, that's life. :devil: Find someone else to cheer the next 2 weeks. For next several GS's pray to the tennis gods to put Ljubo as far as possible from big servers.

musefanatic
01-15-2007, 10:33 AM
Wow i can't believe this!!! I saw the second set and i couldn't believe how poorly Ivan was playing! Well done Mardy :)

Deathless Mortal
01-15-2007, 10:34 AM
Wasn't that 2nd round 2005 AO?

Rafa = Fed Killa
01-15-2007, 10:36 AM
One of Federer's followers (lovers?) just fell.

Can't wait till the prince of fools himself falls.

Apemant
01-15-2007, 10:42 AM
Wasn't that 2nd round 2005 AO?

True.

Loremaster
01-15-2007, 10:45 AM
Seems you guessed it this time, no mistake about that. But then again, gloating like this will only provoke the same reaction next time something ill-favoured happens to the people you root for. And thus we come to a full circle. Ah well, I guess people genuinely enjoy bashing each other like that. Which might as well prove to be the reason behind our own undoing. :devil:


Oh I wasn't 100% serious about that, I am just happy than Fish won. And it doesn't happen as frequnetly to Andy.
IvanLjubicic was just questioning in rude way everything I said last week , and he was laughing a lot when I said MArdy will beat Ivan.

I also guessed well Querrey :devil:
And me another upset is coming, Becker looks good against Safin, but I still won Safin to make it through , I want Roddick - Safin

Blue Heart24
01-15-2007, 11:00 AM
oh my fucking shit....

Blue Heart24
01-15-2007, 11:03 AM
what the hell is with you Ivan?:sobbing:
You'll never even reach a Slam final......
If you don't improve your game A LOT,you're going DOWN,i mean DOWN very soon :sad: :sad:

Apemant
01-15-2007, 11:06 AM
Oh I wasn't 100% serious about that, I am just happy than Fish won. And it doesn't happen as frequnetly to Andy.
IvanLjubicic was just questioning in rude way everything I said last week , and he was laughing a lot when I said MArdy will beat Ivan.


I did expected Ljubo to win here, but didn't laugh on a suggestion that it might be an upset. He often struggles against people who have some idea how to serve. And Fish didn't choke it this time like Soderling, for example.
But really, if I was Ljubo, I would concentrate very heavily on that return of serve. It's crazy how many break chances he doesn't convert. Can't really hope to get far into the slam if any decent server can knock you out anytime.

The Pro
01-15-2007, 11:15 AM
I'm not one to gloat cos i know how awful it is for your favourite to go out early.

But the Lubo fans have been so consistent in being annoying and anti- Rafa lately that I feel they deserve it.:p

For the nice Lubo fans though, sorry folks.:sad:

Loremaster
01-15-2007, 11:18 AM
I did expected Ljubo to win here, but didn't laugh on a suggestion that it might be an upset. He often struggles against people who have some idea how to serve. And Fish didn't choke it this time like Soderling, for example.
But really, if I was Ljubo, I would concentrate very heavily on that return of serve. It's crazy how many break chances he doesn't convert. Can't really hope to get far into the slam if any decent server can knock you out anytime.

I now I was refering only to poser "Ivan Ljubicic" who did so.

This vicotory opens the draw for Mardy anyway. He can reach QF if keeps his head cool.

Fergie
01-15-2007, 11:26 AM
Ivan :retard:

Loremaster
01-15-2007, 11:37 AM
What is more, Ivan has tons of points to defend up to Wimbledon
- he has Zagreb
- TMS semi, and TMS final
- SF of RG

from what I remember , add the fact this year in the spring hardcourt TMS there would many contenders not only Ljubo, Blake , Federer like last year.
He could also draw someone like Almagro in 2nd round of FO or some other young clya courter like del Potro and crash out of Fo in 1st , 2nd round especially if he won't be seed in top4.
So he is on the way out of Top10 right now, cos I don't bealieve he will defend those points from TMS , and then grass so also nothing spectacular from him.

I said that befor season that after FO he won't be in Top10 , especially when consider the fact that his ranking is based mainly on season up to Wimbledon.

LoveFifteen
01-15-2007, 11:37 AM
Man, normally I wouldn't care which of these two players won, but since some of the Ljubicic fans are the most annoying posters on the board, this loss has me laughing. :haha:

Green_Eyes
01-15-2007, 11:48 AM
This will be far the biggest shock of the tournament, not only because it's a surprising first round loss, but it was against fish :eek:

This is a bad hit for the tournament, fish won't threaten the later rounds of the tournament like Ljubo could have possibly done.

Viken01
01-15-2007, 11:49 AM
too bad for ivan, congrat mardy !

coreyschucky
01-15-2007, 11:50 AM
Congrats Mardy!!!!

croat123
01-15-2007, 12:14 PM
no clue what happened there. ljubo was cruising till midway through the second set and then stopped moving. he called the trainer and everything fell apart. really piss poor play on his part :(

canbera
01-15-2007, 12:19 PM
somehow, I have seen this coming. Ljubicic probably just wanted to win Doha and now he's happy with himself. I mean, those who have seen the last 2 sets will agree with me - it didn't look like he wanted to win at all.

Blue Heart24
01-15-2007, 12:29 PM
What is more, Ivan has tons of points to defend up to Wimbledon
- he has Zagreb
- TMS semi, and TMS final
- SF of RG

from what I remember , add the fact this year in the spring hardcourt TMS there would many contenders not only Ljubo, Blake , Federer like last year.
He could also draw someone like Almagro in 2nd round of FO or some other young clya courter like del Potro and crash out of Fo in 1st , 2nd round especially if he won't be seed in top4.
So he is on the way out of Top10 right now, cos I don't bealieve he will defend those points from TMS , and then grass so also nothing spectacular from him.

I said that befor season that after FO he won't be in Top10 , especially when consider the fact that his ranking is based mainly on season up to Wimbledon.


TMS QF,not sf.
And a final

Andre'sNo1Fan
01-15-2007, 12:47 PM
Congrats Mardy!

Well for some Ljubicic fans, maybe you should try being a bit more humble next time ;)

gusman890
01-15-2007, 01:02 PM
Roddick won
Spadea won
Delic won
Fish won
Flishman won

etc etc

America is doing well :)

2moretogo
01-15-2007, 01:20 PM
I expected more of a flamewar in here. You guys are as lame as the Serbian and Croat brawlers :(

Why? The match speaks for itself. If Ljubo lost interest in the last two sets, why should flamers or supporters make any real effort?

gusman890
01-15-2007, 01:40 PM
so much for our 4th seed.

How low will his ranking drop to now?

Shrinking Violet
01-15-2007, 01:43 PM
I didn't see any of this match - so what was Ivan's mystery ailment this time that excuses the defeat? ;) I don't mind Ljubicic that much - but some of his fans on here make it hard not to enjoy this just a little. :lol:

Seriously though - how did he manage to lose to Fish? Was Fish just playing really well or did Ivan not bother showing up after the first set?

gebl
01-15-2007, 01:51 PM
Man, normally I wouldn't care which of these two players won, but since some of the Ljubicic fans are the most annoying posters on the board, this loss has me laughing. :haha:

this is SO true; me too :D

BORO77
01-15-2007, 01:57 PM
I am not surprised, Ivan is usually very good at Slams:) .
He got lucky last year in RG.
He will loose pts but he can stay in the top10 for a few years.
It is a shame that he lost so early, he could have used his fitness as
he is one of the fittest players on tour and the weather in australia is
really hot.
There are 20 very good players in this half of the draw so it is not a big shame for him. If he had been in the other half it would be worse.

He should start playing mixed and doubles if he wants to win a slam:) :)

Apemant
01-15-2007, 02:04 PM
I didn't see any of this match - so what was Ivan's mystery ailment this time that excuses the defeat? ;) I don't mind Ljubicic that much - but some of his fans on here make it hard not to enjoy this just a little. :lol:

Seriously though - how did he manage to lose to Fish? Was Fish just playing really well or did Ivan not bother showing up after the first set?

Well, he played sorta crappy. Don't know why. I'm sure he can do better than this. On the other hand, Fish has a decent 1st serve which always troubles Ljubo, and was constantly taking control in rallies, causing an awful lot of UEs on the FH side from him. Ljubo's reactions and willingness to run were even lower than normal (which is already quite low). There must be some decent excu...*cough* explanation for that. ;)

Horatio Caine
01-15-2007, 02:09 PM
Roddick won
Spadea won
Delic won
Fish won
Flishman won

etc etc

America is doing well :)

:haha: :haha:

Mackin might even perform better than Ljubo :banana: Go Alan!! :cool:

:wavey:

el_croata
01-15-2007, 02:17 PM
Roddick won
Spadea won
Delic won
Fish won
Flishman won

etc etc

America is doing well :)


yeah, delic is american as is seles, navratilova, morariu, etc.

gusman890
01-15-2007, 02:20 PM
Hey, I dont care if you from someone's ass, as long as you have an american citizenship, your american :)

Denaon
01-15-2007, 02:21 PM
:spit:

Donny
01-15-2007, 02:23 PM
yeah, delic is american as is seles, navratilova, morariu, etc.

You're a bitter ass.

But, hey, I'd say that your list is an EXCELLENT example of proud, patriotic Americans. Two of my alltime favorites who love their country (USA) ...

... and another whose cancer-survival story is an inspiration, and who might not have survived if-not for having the US's medical personnel/facilities.

alfonsojose
01-15-2007, 02:26 PM
Ivan :haha: :haha:

charlie666
01-15-2007, 02:43 PM
Ljubicic :nerner:

morningglory
01-15-2007, 02:53 PM
:bounce:

Deboogle!.
01-15-2007, 02:54 PM
Mardyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

FluffyYellowBall
01-15-2007, 02:57 PM
Yay! Ljubo REALLY wants to show his fans that hes "the real number 2"!

Horatio Caine
01-15-2007, 02:57 PM
Ivan must have played like a Fish out of water :spit:

Oh man...who is next up to beat Ivan? Oh yeah...Henman in Zagreb! The icing on the cake! :drool: :lick: :devil:

...although another spanking by Murray would do almost as good :bounce: :yeah:

cmurray
01-15-2007, 02:59 PM
I didn't see any of this match - so what was Ivan's mystery ailment this time that excuses the defeat? ;) I don't mind Ljubicic that much - but some of his fans on here make it hard not to enjoy this just a little. :lol:


Spot on, Shrinking Violet. I don't actively wish for Ivan to lose early, as I have no particular problem with him. His maniacal fans, on the other hand, for them, a first round loss is just the slightest bit satisfying.

All that being said, I find it a little strange that Ivan has such success at the smaller tournaments, but has this happen at the majors. I wonder why that is??????? Is it that they are best of 5? too much pressure? Seriously, I just can't figure it out.

Deboogle!.
01-15-2007, 03:05 PM
All that being said, I find it a little strange that Ivan has such success at the smaller tournaments, but has this happen at the majors. I wonder why that is??????? Is it that they are best of 5? too much pressure? Seriously, I just can't figure it out.Well it's not like Mardy has had much great mental success in slams either, where his record is pretty abysmal, so I think he deserves some credit for coming back and toughing it out :D :woohoo:

+alonso
01-15-2007, 03:26 PM
:o Ivan!

:shrug: Recover yourself

Deathless Mortal
01-15-2007, 03:28 PM
Ivan must have played like a Fish out of water :spit:

Oh man...who is next up to beat Ivan? Oh yeah...Henman in Zagreb! The icing on the cake! :drool: :lick: :devil:

...although another spanking by Murray would do almost as good :bounce: :yeah:

:lol:

Henman is an old grandpa, and he can't beat Ljubicic anymore... And Ljubicic leads 4-1 H2H... :haha:

Ljubo beat Murray in the Doha final... So, you're really expecting Brits beating Ljubo?

jazar
01-15-2007, 03:37 PM
what is up with ljubicic? two GS 1st round exits in a row now

el_croata
01-15-2007, 03:38 PM
You're a bitter ass.

But, hey, I'd say that your list is an EXCELLENT example of proud, patriotic Americans. Two of my alltime favorites who love their country (USA) ...

... and another whose cancer-survival story is an inspiration, and who might not have survived if-not for having the US's medical personnel/facilities.

money, money, money....

enzogiovanni
01-15-2007, 03:43 PM
Congrats to Mardy Fish.

For Ljubo yet another Grand Slam disappointing performance. Lets hope for a Ljubo-Roland Garros or Nadal-Wimbledon draw next time :D :wavey:

Hugh Jaas
01-15-2007, 03:45 PM
Fish is a joke, 2 weeks ago he was destroyed by a 200+ ranked Frenchman jerome haehnel 7-5 4-6 7-6(3) during the hopman cup. Now this?

enzogiovanni
01-15-2007, 03:45 PM
All that being said, I find it a little strange that Ivan has such success at the smaller tournaments, but has this happen at the majors. I wonder why that is??????? Is it that they are best of 5? too much pressure? Seriously, I just can't figure it out.

We wonder that too, however Davis Cup matches are best of 5 and Ljubo plays Davis Cup at a monster level.

So, really, we don't have a clue.

enzogiovanni
01-15-2007, 03:47 PM
Fish is a joke, 2 weeks ago he was destroyed by a 200+ ranked Frenchman jerome haehnel 7-5 4-6 7-6(3) during the hopman cup. Now this?

Destroyed 7-6 in the decisive set?
well :confused:

Apemant
01-15-2007, 03:54 PM
All that being said, I find it a little strange that Ivan has such success at the smaller tournaments, but has this happen at the majors. I wonder why that is??????? Is it that they are best of 5? too much pressure? Seriously, I just can't figure it out.

What is there to figure? 7 titles in 7 years of pro career isn't actually such a great success, come to think of it? (It's not bad either, don't get me wrong)
In a normal tourney, you need just 5 victories to win the whole thing. In a GS, you need 7, and most people coming to a GS are especially motivated to give their best effort. I watched Safin vs. Becker today, and Becker was playing like a top 10, better than either Ljubo or Fish in their match - but he lost anyway. Tsonga also played better than both of them, till he got tired late into the match - but he lost as well. In a couple of years, those defeats will count as a poor GS performance - but that doesn't tell you how they played, who they played against and what was going on during the match.

In other words, there are too few GS events to make any relevant statistical conclusion from someone's record at them. It somehow reminds me of exams: once I had to pull out 3 questions for an exam, out of about 100 of them in the box. Of all 100, I was weak at 3 of them, but drew 2 of those 3 - and failed. What it amounts to is that I failed - even though I was good at 97 out of 100 questions. The same applies to GS events in a pro's career - except for that handful of real champions who regularly produce great results there. I never thought of Ljubo as being one of those.

Hugh Jaas
01-15-2007, 03:56 PM
Destroyed 7-6 in the decisive set?
well :confused:



A player that plays challengers in Europe beating a top 50 player is in my tennis dictionary

Apemant
01-15-2007, 03:58 PM
Destroyed 7-6 in the decisive set?
well :confused:

4-6 7-6 6-4 6-4 isn't actually a beatdown either, no matter how many times delusional haters repeated that claim. Pay no attention to those hypocrites. :devil:

As for Fish, I wouldn't hope for too much from him. Yeah, he played solid but thats about it. Twas Ljubo who really blew it here; he certainly can do much better than this. I guess he puts too much pressure on himself, being aware of his rather pathetic GS record. That doesn't actually help his game, seems to me.

Carito_90
01-15-2007, 04:01 PM
Fishie! :banana:

Horatio Caine
01-15-2007, 04:04 PM
:lol:

Henman is an old grandpa, and he can't beat Ljubicic anymore... And Ljubicic leads 4-1 H2H... :haha:

Ljubo beat Murray in the Doha final... So, you're really expecting Brits beating Ljubo?

If Henman is a grandpa, Ljubo has playing like someone fast catching up with him in years...in Doha, I'd never seen a player labour around court so much in ages...the most embarrassing thing was that no-one could beat him!! :haha:

Ljubo is very slow these days :awww:

I'm not expecting Brits to beat him...I'm hoping. Ljubo is a marked man...Karlovic has been taken out, as has Ancic...just Ljubo left...and he is cutting a sorry figure :devil:

Hugh Jaas
01-15-2007, 04:04 PM
fans reaction..

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http://i1.tinypic.com/48qbwqs.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/2m3muqp.jpg

Horatio Caine
01-15-2007, 04:05 PM
what is up with ljubicic? two GS 1st round exits in a row now

Back down to Earth with a bump :tape:

Horatio Caine
01-15-2007, 04:08 PM
Congrats to Mardy Fish.

For Ljubo yet another Grand Slam disappointing performance. Lets hope for a Ljubo-Roland Garros or Nadal-Wimbledon draw next time :D :wavey:

He beats top 80 opposition week-in week-out in order to win MM tournies...he has to take the next step up at some point :awww:

Shrinking Violet
01-15-2007, 04:12 PM
In a way it's impressive that his ranking is so high despite his hopelessness at Slams though.

I think in the AO I find it easier to write of upsets as flukes due to it being so early in the season but even so...

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 04:14 PM
Oh my, what an embarassment for Ljubo... that will be one of the most ridiculous losses of the year.

Deboogle!.
01-15-2007, 04:14 PM
Fish is a joke, 2 weeks ago he was destroyed by a 200+ ranked Frenchman jerome haehnel 7-5 4-6 7-6(3) during the hopman cup. Now this?It was his first match of the season, good lord. He had some good wins last week in Auckland :shrug:

Jlee
01-15-2007, 04:17 PM
OMG! Did not expect that! Way to go Fishy!! Taking out Ljubicic early...:yeah:

Great day for the Americans :eek:

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 04:18 PM
Well, if Ljubo asked an injury time-out, that means that he's not chickening out the matches like some players 'round there.

Deathless Mortal
01-15-2007, 04:19 PM
If Henman is a grandpa, Ljubo has playing like someone fast catching up with him in years...in Doha, I'd never seen a player labour around court so much in ages...the most embarrassing thing was that no-one could beat him!! :haha:

Ljubo is very slow these days :awww:

I'm not expecting Brits to beat him...I'm hoping. Ljubo is a marked man...Karlovic has been taken out, as has Ancic...just Ljubo left...and he is cutting a sorry figure :devil:

I would put money on Ivan winning a title in Zagreb. Henman has no chance, and you know it.

R.Federer
01-15-2007, 04:21 PM
I must be the last person to know this result.... shocking!

Deboogle!.
01-15-2007, 04:22 PM
Well, if Ljubo asked an injury time-out, that means that he's not chickening out the matches like some players 'round there.I'd be willing to take a bet that if players are retiring at 1-1 or 3-0 or something, they are really hurt or sick and really shouldn't continue for their health and well-being. But hey that's just me, call me an idealist ;)

Blue Heart24
01-15-2007, 04:28 PM
I would put money on Ivan winning a title in Zagreb. Henman has no chance, and you know it.

:haha:

After this today,I would never put money on Ivan.
Remember,Soderling and Youzhny will be there :rolleyes:
And I have a feeling,that this time,they wouldnt let it go.

R.Federer
01-15-2007, 04:28 PM
Roddick won
Spadea won
Delic won
Fish won
Flishman won

etc etc

America is doing well :)

Wilson lost
Querrey lost
Interesting to see how Reynolds, Russell and Ginepri do today.

Blue Heart24
01-15-2007, 04:28 PM
Wilson lost
Querrey lost
Interesting to see how Reynolds, Russell and Ginepri do today.

querrey WON!
:rolleyes:

Jlee
01-15-2007, 04:30 PM
querrey WON!
:rolleyes:

Just what I was about to say :D

tangerine_dream
01-15-2007, 04:31 PM
ooooh, this result makes my heart sing. :hearts: I will need my 20oz. of coffee before I begin reading all the good stuff. I will be back later to comment. :devil:

nkhera1
01-15-2007, 04:31 PM
In a way it's impressive that his ranking is so high despite his hopelessness at Slams though.

I think in the AO I find it easier to write of upsets as flukes due to it being so early in the season but even so...

His ranking has a lot to do with Nadal and Federer taking most of the points.

Blue Heart24
01-15-2007, 04:31 PM
We'll see how will Ivan do in indoors....Zagreb,Marseille,Rotterdam are tournaments of truth for him.

calvinhobbes
01-15-2007, 04:35 PM
What did he take the injury TO for?
BTW: WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU, JERRY SEINFELD? IT MUST HAVE BEEN A VERY BIG INJURY BECAUSE IT TOOK AWAY YOU AND YOUR ADORABLE "TETONA" FAR FROM OUR SIGHT.. . . LET US SEE HER ONCE AGAIN. THIS TIME WE´LL NOT OMIT THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A COPY . . . . :sad: :sad: :eek:

Deathless Mortal
01-15-2007, 04:35 PM
We'll see how will Ivan do in indoors....Zagreb,Marseille,Rotterdam are tournaments of truth for him.
Win, F, Win :D
(But I wouldn't put money on it.) ;)

:haha:

After this today,I would never put money on Ivan.
Remember,Soderling and Youzhny will be there :rolleyes:
And I have a feeling,that this time,they wouldnt let it go.

Maybe you wouldn't, maybe you don't believe in him anymore, but obviously you also forgot what you said after that comeback against Nalabandian in TMC. He won Doha before this, and he'll win Zagreb after this. And when it happens you'll pretend like you have always believed in him. :rolleyes:

Jadranka
01-15-2007, 04:37 PM
We'll see how will Ivan do in indoors....Zagreb,Marseille,Rotterdam are tournaments of truth for him.

(Vienna) :o

Apemant
01-15-2007, 04:43 PM
I'd be willing to take a bet that if players are retiring at 1-1 or 3-0 or something, they are really hurt or sick and really shouldn't continue for their health and well-being. But hey that's just me, call me an idealist ;)

No, the exact procedure for determining what actually happened is this (according to MTF):

1) If a player asked for an injury break, but does NOT retire:

1.a) If it is someone who I root for, then it is a classy move, playing with heart, not being a sissy, yada yada yada.

1.b) If it is someone who I hate/dislike/root againts, then it's gamesmanship, obvious faking, and/or looking for an excuse in advance.

2) If a player asked for an injury break, and then later RETIRES:

2.a) If it is someone who I root for, then it is a smart & logical, in fact, the only possible move, as it is stupid to risk further injuries by playing.

2.b) If it is someone who I hate/dislike/root against, then retiring shows an absolute lack of class, in fact the injury is most likely fake, and player wants an excuse for the loss, so he is making up injuries.


There you have it, a complete algorithm. :devil:

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 04:43 PM
I'd be willing to take a bet that if players are retiring at 1-1 or 3-0 or something, they are really hurt or sick and really shouldn't continue for their health and well-being. But hey that's just me, call me an idealist ;)

A player retiring at 1/1 is not a decent person in my opinion. That's just forfeiting the entrance of a LL that could pretty much win the match.

Why does a 6/5 retiring come to my mind right now?

Deboogle!.
01-15-2007, 04:47 PM
No, the exact procedure for determining what actually happened is this (according to MTF):

1) If a player asked for an injury break, but does NOT retire:

1.a) If it is someone who I root for, then it is a classy move, playing with heart, not being a sissy, yada yada yada.

1.b) If it is someone who I hate/dislike/root againts, then it's gamesmanship, obvious faking, and/or looking for an excuse in advance.

2) If a player asked for an injury break, and then later RETIRES:

2.a) If it is someone who I root for, then it is a smart & logical, in fact, the only possible move, as it is stupid to risk further injuries by playing.

2.b) If it is someone who I hate/dislike/root against, then retiring shows an absolute lack of class, in fact the injury is most likely fake, and player wants an excuse for the loss, so he is making up injuries.


There you have it, a complete algorithm. :devil::haha:

A player retiring at 1/1 is not a decent person in my opinion. That's just forfeiting the entrance of a LL that could pretty much win the match.

Why does a 6/5 retiring come to my mind right now?ok, so it was PimPim who retired at 1-1. This is someone who was out for what, over a year due to SERIOUS and potentially career-threatening injuries. He finally got himself healthy, and then early in a match he starts having problems with a foot that he hasn't had problems with before. Are you saying that someone who has just finally worked his way back from major injury should stay in a match and risk doing that to himself again? I mean, that's a little heartless, and i don't even care for PimPim that much :shrug:

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 04:49 PM
:haha:

ok, so it was PimPim who retired at 1-1. This is someone who was out for what, over a year due to SERIOUS and potentially career-threatening injuries. He finally got himself healthy, and then early in a match he starts having problems with a foot that he hasn't had problems with before. Are you saying that someone who has just finally worked his way back from major injury should stay in a match and risk doing that to himself again? I mean, that's a little heartless, and i don't even care for PimPim that much :shrug:

You must be kidding me if you think he suddenly had an injury after 2 games in a match. It seems Massu played almost a whole match injured and didn't retire.

Deboogle!.
01-15-2007, 04:52 PM
You must be kidding me if you think he suddenly had an injury after 2 games in a match. It seems Massu played almost a whole match injured and didn't retire.I don't know what the injury was so I can't pretend to say what he knew or what he didn't know. What I'm saying is, you don't know either but you are choosing to assume the worst about someone. That's the MTF way, that's cool. I'm just pointing out the other side. It's entirely possible that a player could step badly on their foot and have a problem that did not exist before that point; it has happened before :shrug:

Deathless Mortal
01-15-2007, 04:55 PM
A player retiring at 1/1 is not a decent person in my opinion. That's just forfeiting the entrance of a LL that could pretty much win the match.

Why does a 6/5 retiring come to my mind right now?

I had that match in my mind when one NadalFan was bashing on Ljubo, he didn't run from it when he saw he's going to lose the match...

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 04:56 PM
I don't know what the injury was so I can't pretend to say what he knew or what he didn't know. What I'm saying is, you don't know either but you are choosing to assume the worst about someone. That's the MTF way, that's cool. I'm just pointing out the other side. It's entirely possible that a player could step badly on their foot and have a problem that did not exist before that point; it has happened before :shrug:

If you have, then play 'till the end and get some bagels and breadsticks.

jayjay
01-15-2007, 05:05 PM
No, the exact procedure for determining what actually happened is this (according to MTF):

1) If a player asked for an injury break, but does NOT retire:

1.a) If it is someone who I root for, then it is a classy move, playing with heart, not being a sissy, yada yada yada.

1.b) If it is someone who I hate/dislike/root againts, then it's gamesmanship, obvious faking, and/or looking for an excuse in advance.

2) If a player asked for an injury break, and then later RETIRES:

2.a) If it is someone who I root for, then it is a smart & logical, in fact, the only possible move, as it is stupid to risk further injuries by playing.

2.b) If it is someone who I hate/dislike/root against, then retiring shows an absolute lack of class, in fact the injury is most likely fake, and player wants an excuse for the loss, so he is making up injuries.


There you have it, a complete algorithm. :devil:

Quality. :lol:

cobalt60
01-15-2007, 05:08 PM
No, the exact procedure for determining what actually happened is this (according to MTF):

1) If a player asked for an injury break, but does NOT retire:

1.a) If it is someone who I root for, then it is a classy move, playing with heart, not being a sissy, yada yada yada.

1.b) If it is someone who I hate/dislike/root againts, then it's gamesmanship, obvious faking, and/or looking for an excuse in advance.

2) If a player asked for an injury break, and then later RETIRES:

2.a) If it is someone who I root for, then it is a smart & logical, in fact, the only possible move, as it is stupid to risk further injuries by playing.

2.b) If it is someone who I hate/dislike/root against, then retiring shows an absolute lack of class, in fact the injury is most likely fake, and player wants an excuse for the loss, so he is making up injuries.


There you have it, a complete algorithm. :devil:

:worship: This is so true that it is actually sad.

scoobs
01-15-2007, 05:08 PM
Wow - what a dreadful result for Lju-boohoohoo-bicic.

Ivan had better think of a way to start gaining points fast - with Zagreb, his results in Indian Wells and Miami and Roland Garros coming up, he could take a major hit - he already failed to defend tons of points in Paris and Madrid, not through his own fault in some cases it has to be said. And Roland Garros has to be a big concern - how likely is it he'll make SF again? It was pretty unlikely the first time, and that was with a draw Vina Del Mar would have been ashamed of.

He'd better shape up or he'll be out of the top 10 sooner than even I expected.

superhoops
01-15-2007, 05:11 PM
Wow - what a dreadful result for Lju-boohoohoo-bicic.

Ivan had better think of a way to start gaining points fast - with Zagreb, his results in Indian Wells and Miami and Roland Garros coming up, he could take a major hit - he already failed to defend tons of points in Paris and Madrid, not through his own fault in some cases it has to be said. And Roland Garros has to be a big concern - how likely is it he'll make SF again? It was pretty unlikely the first time, and that was with a draw Vina Del Mar would have been ashamed of.

He'd better shape up or he'll be out of the top 10 sooner than even I expected.

the sooner the better. Although 250 points from Doha was a nice start for him. He will always have his big serve to save him.

superhoops
01-15-2007, 05:11 PM
Great result Mardy getting rid of the baldy croat.

jayjay
01-15-2007, 05:15 PM
And Roland Garros has to be a big concern - how likely is it he'll make SF again? It was pretty unlikely the first time, and that was with a draw Vina Del Mar would have been ashamed of.


:lol:

Carito_90
01-15-2007, 05:26 PM
You must be kidding me if you think he suddenly had an injury after 2 games in a match. It seems Massu played almost a whole match injured and didn't retire.

There are injuries that can get worse if you play, and injuries that don't necessarily will. I think PimPim has had enough injuries and time out to be motivated enough to actually want to do WELL in this tournament, and if he decided to retire, it was probably a recommendation from the trainer or he couldn't move. I don't know, I haven't seen this match and I don't know anyone that has, so there's always the possibility that he couldn't move after harming his foot.
I know you and I shouldn't be responding to these things, but this was absolutely absurd :lol:.

adee-gee
01-15-2007, 05:30 PM
A player retiring at 1/1 is not a decent person in my opinion. That's just forfeiting the entrance of a LL that could pretty much win the match.

Why does a 6/5 retiring come to my mind right now?
Your theories are about as impressive as the number of major titles Ljubicic has won ;)

RickDaStick
01-15-2007, 05:33 PM
I think a player retiring at 1-1 only got on court to collect the 1st round prize money. Im sure Hajek and Pim Pim knew they wouldnt last long and had no chance to finish but we smart enough to step on court and collect the paycheck.

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 05:36 PM
There are injuries that can get worse if you play, and injuries that don't necessarily will. I think PimPim has had enough injuries and time out to be motivated enough to actually want to do WELL in this tournament, and if he decided to retire, it was probably a recommendation from the trainer or he couldn't move. I don't know, I haven't seen this match and I don't know anyone that has, so there's always the possibility that he couldn't move after harming his foot.
I know you and I shouldn't be responding to these things, but this was absolutely absurd :lol:.

Yeah, right. Ridiculous attitude from him. Stay still and serve underarm, but if you enter the court, go 'till the end.

Your theories are about as impressive as the number of major titles Ljubicic has won ;)

At least he's not a chicken.

I think a player retiring at 1-1 only got on court to collect the 1st round prize money. Im sure Hajek and Pim Pim knew they wouldnt last long and had no chance to finish but we smart enough to step on court and collect the paycheck.

Of course.

RickDaStick
01-15-2007, 05:36 PM
"Mardy played very well, served very well. He was a tough opponent in the first round. I believed until the last point that I had a chance but he kept coming up with great shots,"

Sorry i just had to do that, im sure you guys were licking your chops but maybe next time.

adee-gee
01-15-2007, 05:37 PM
At least he's not a chicken.
So Rafa is now a pig and a chicken.

Well, I guess that explains why he's sometimes been called 'jungle boy'. Perhaps it could be altered to 'farm boy' to be more accurate though.

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 05:40 PM
So Rafa is now a pig and a chicken.

Well, I guess that explains why he's sometimes been called 'jungle boy'. Perhaps it could be altered to 'farm boy' to be more accurate though.

There's a word not related to animals for "chicken". I don't think it needs to be said.

Carito_90
01-15-2007, 05:44 PM
Yeah, right. Ridiculous attitude from him. Stay still and serve underarm, but if you enter the court, go 'till the end.


I wouldn't judge really, it's simply not right to make such statements towards players and situations when you don't know them or have been through them, that's all. :shrug:

tennis2tennis
01-15-2007, 06:11 PM
afraid ur username gave the game away

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 06:13 PM
What? Ljubo didn't call Fish "stupid" and "bad person"? :o

Bad bad bad Ljubo!

Golfnduck
01-15-2007, 06:13 PM
MARDY!!!!!!!!! :woohoo: :bigclap:

R.Federer
01-15-2007, 06:15 PM
Ljubicic, who last year made the quarterfinals here and the semifinals at the French Open but plunged out of the U.S. Open in the first round, admitted to Grand Slam nerves.

"Fortunately I am used to disappointments in Grand Slams,'' Ljubicic said. "When I play ATP tournaments I feel like No. 4 in the world. Maybe in Grand Slams I put myself under too much pressure.''

Neely
01-15-2007, 06:17 PM
Don't want to sound as if Fish didn't deserve his win, but it should also be allowed to note that Ivan looked far from his normal play as was at the end just serving his time on the court until it was over.

Congrats to Apement in #174, he certainly got it right how it works :yeah:

Yeah, right. Ridiculous attitude from him. Stay still and serve underarm, but if you enter the court, go 'till the end.
Even though it is often practised here on MTF by its great luminaries ("he faked the injury", "he is not injured", "he can continue playing"), but long distance analysis about such a complex area like what is going on in a player's body is not working, and therefore, there is no universal instruction what to do best when you are injured.

atheneglaukopis
01-15-2007, 06:18 PM
So Rafa is now a pig and a chicken.

Well, I guess that explains why he's sometimes been called 'jungle boy'. Perhaps it could be altered to 'farm boy' to be more accurate though.Westley, my sweet Westley! :hearts:

Loremaster
01-15-2007, 06:21 PM
Wilson lost
Querrey lost
Interesting to see how Reynolds, Russell and Ginepri do today.


Querrey won ;)

I think Ginepri, Reynolds, Blake will win but Russel and Kendrick loose, but still great day for American players and majority of them has chance to advance further.

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 06:22 PM
Don't want to sound as if Fish didn't deserve his win, but it should also be allowed to note that Ivan looked far from his normal play as was at the end just serving his time on the court until it was over.

Congrats to Apement in #174, he certainly got it right how it works :yeah:


Even though it is often practised here on MTF by its great luminaries ("he faked the injury", "he is not injured", "he can continue playing"), but long distance analysis about such a complex area like what is going on in a player's body is not working, and therefore, there is no universal instruction what to do best when you are injured.

I'm not saying he's faking anything. I'm saying that if you're injured, withdraw before or play 'till the end.

cmurray
01-15-2007, 06:23 PM
Ljubicic, who last year made the quarterfinals here and the semifinals at the French Open but plunged out of the U.S. Open in the first round, admitted to Grand Slam nerves.

"Fortunately I am used to disappointments in Grand Slams,'' Ljubicic said. "When I play ATP tournaments I feel like No. 4 in the world. Maybe in Grand Slams I put myself under too much pressure.''

Well, that explains it. Nerves can be your absolute worst opponent. I hope he can figure that out, otherwise nobody is ever going to take the guy seriously.

Oh, and GlennMirnyi??? Why is it always you who brings Rafa up - even in threads that are completely unrelated to him. I'm beginning to think that you have a crush on him.

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 06:24 PM
Well, that explains it. Nerves can be your absolute worst opponent. I hope he can figure that out, otherwise nobody is ever going to take the guy seriously.

Oh, and GlennMirnyi??? Why is it always you who brings Rafa up - even in threads that are completely unrelated to him. I'm beginning to think that you have a crush on him.

I'm comparing honored attitude to chickening out. Got it?

cmurray
01-15-2007, 06:24 PM
I'm not saying he's faking anything. I'm saying that if you're injured, withdraw before or play 'till the end.

You mean like Andre used to do? oh....wait....You don't like Andre. I'm sure it was somehow cowardly of Andre though, right?

cmurray
01-15-2007, 06:25 PM
I'm comparing honored attitude to chickening out. Got it?

mmmm hmmmmm. whatever you say, love. :kiss:

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 06:29 PM
You mean like Andre used to do? oh....wait....You don't like Andre. I'm sure it was somehow cowardly of Andre though, right?

Well, I can talk about when he chickened out against Medvedev in RG. It was barely raining and he fled the court.

I'm sure that's amazing gamesmanship.

cmurray
01-15-2007, 06:32 PM
Well, I can talk about when he chickened out against Medvedev in RG. It was barely raining and he fled the court.

I'm sure that's amazing gamesmanship.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

OMG, you are a GEM!

tangerine_dream
01-15-2007, 06:41 PM
I don't understand why Werthiem or Bodo or whoever keeps putting Ljubicic on the list to make slam semifinals when his record in slams is embarrassing for a top player. He just doesn't have the heart of a champion; winning Davis Cup or Zagreb seems to be good enough for him. His represents exactly what this Clown Era is: a mediocre player who gets to the top by virtue of Roger and Rafa hogging up all the points and trophies for themselves and no desire to fight to join them at the top, or even to fight for the crumbs left over. His ranking would mean more if he lived up to being a true No. 3-4 player and would perform well at slams and AMS and not just indoors and Davis Cup.

Maybe he was rusty. But everyone is. Especially Fish. But I've always felt that Ljubicic lacks heart when the going gets tough. Safin, Roddick, even Federer were all under pressure by up-and-comers who had nothing to lose, but they won and they won ugly. Winning ugly isn't a bad thing. It means they got the job done when they were rusty and not at their best. Ljubicic has never been able to do this.

Still, I don't like to see the loveable cranky croaties sad :tears: C'mere croaties, you big lugs. Let a duck fan make it all better
http://www.slipperorchidforum.com/forum/images/smilies/bighug.gif

There. All better. Remember: the Duckies love you!

And Ivan sucks.

http://www.slipperorchidforum.com/forum/images/smilies/woohoonaner2gy.gif Mardy! Don't blow this opportunity. Keep it going :drive:

Donny
01-15-2007, 06:45 PM
Well, I can talk about when he chickened out against Medvedev in RG. It was barely raining and he fled the court.

I'm sure that's amazing gamesmanship.

:haha:

Allez
01-15-2007, 06:53 PM
What ? The world No.1 is out ? :eek: :eek: :eek:

guga2120
01-15-2007, 06:58 PM
Well, I can talk about when he chickened out against Medvedev in RG. It was barely raining and he fled the court.

I'm sure that's amazing gamesmanship.

:D , great post. im still laughing.

cmurray
01-15-2007, 07:05 PM
:D , great post. im still laughing.

Me too....bloody hilarious!

Raquel
01-15-2007, 07:15 PM
Ivan Ljubicic - 30 Grand Slams played. Beyond 3rd round - twice. What a player.
I didn't realise his GS record was that bad. He says himself he puts to much pressure on himself at the Slams compared to the normal events when he can relax. That's what GS tennis for the big names is about - handling the pressure. It's kind of surprising because he handles pressure well in Davis Cup and you would think that would be even harder than playing for yourself.

Jimnik
01-15-2007, 08:34 PM
No major surprise here. Although Fish played much better than expected. Interesting to see how he progresses.

FiBeR
01-15-2007, 08:40 PM
:) well done fish!! :) nemo is back!!!

FiBeR
01-15-2007, 08:44 PM
jayjay


30 GS record for ljubo and only 2 ..farther than 3rd round..


both last year :wavey: AO 2006 -QF- Roland Garros 2006 -SF!-

ljubo is like massu... not a GS player

FiBeR
01-15-2007, 08:48 PM
I didn't realise his GS record was that bad. He says himself he puts to much pressure on himself at the Slams compared to the normal events when he can relax. That's what GS tennis for the big names is about - handling the pressure. It's kind of surprising because he handles pressure well in Davis Cup and you would think that would be even harder than playing for yourself.

I think Davis Cup is quite a different story!

but yeah..deffinately ljubo is not a GS player.. neither massu or calleri..and lots of other top ten

take rios.. he was the only world n1 not to win a slam :)

GlennMirnyi
01-15-2007, 09:02 PM
I think Davis Cup is quite a different story!

but yeah..deffinately ljubo is not a GS player.. neither massu or calleri..and lots of other top ten

take rios.. he was the only world n1 not to win a slam :)

Don't forget about Blake... :p

NYCtennisfan
01-15-2007, 09:25 PM
Fish really hung in there on his own serve when he wasn't doing anything at all on Ivan's which is hard to do because you know one or two little lapses on your own serve and the match could be over. He won a few big points, saved a few big bp's and pulled out the win. Good win!

stebs
01-15-2007, 09:28 PM
One break of serve in a best of 5 sets match on a slow hardcourt will not get the job done. Ljubicic was playing weak tennis.

Havok
01-15-2007, 10:46 PM
Ivan Ljubicic - 30 Grand Slams played. Beyond 3rd round - twice. What a player.

:haha::haha: Holy shit that's classic!:bigcry:

Please drop out of the top 10 Ljubijoke, and while your at it, the top 20 too!

Mistaflava
01-15-2007, 11:02 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Mistaflava
01-15-2007, 11:04 PM
The best part about all of this (and no disrespect to the very few respectable Ljubo fans out there) is that there were about 2-3 idiots in the LIVE SCORES thread yesterday who kept bickering on about how much Mardy Fish sucks ass.

Jerry Seinfeld...where are you bro. How annoying can it be for people who think matches are done in the first set. All I kept reading was how much Fish is garbage and how this is great for Ljubicic.

What a sweet loss for the tennis community. Someone get that clown out of the TOP 10 already.


:haha:

Mistaflava
01-15-2007, 11:31 PM
:haha:


Jerry Jerry Jerry...first SD and now Lubijusibitibitou.

Maybe your boy will play well on the Seniors Tour with Rios.

SerbianSmash
01-16-2007, 12:02 AM
The only way is down now.

missbungle
01-16-2007, 01:03 AM
I don't understand why Werthiem or Bodo or whoever keeps putting Ljubicic on the list to make slam semifinals when his record in slams is embarrassing for a top player. He just doesn't have the heart of a champion; winning Davis Cup or Zagreb seems to be good enough for him. His represents exactly what this Clown Era is: a mediocre player who gets to the top by virtue of Roger and Rafa hogging up all the points and trophies for themselves and no desire to fight to join them at the top, or even to fight for the crumbs left over. His ranking would mean more if he lived up to being a true No. 3-4 player and would perform well at slams and AMS and not just indoors and Davis Cup.

Maybe he was rusty. But everyone is. Especially Fish. But I've always felt that Ljubicic lacks heart when the going gets tough. Safin, Roddick, even Federer were all under pressure by up-and-comers who had nothing to lose, but they won and they won ugly. Winning ugly isn't a bad thing. It means they got the job done when they were rusty and not at their best. Ljubicic has never been able to do this.

:yeah: Truer words have never been spoken. Ljubojoke is an embarrassment to the sport.

Apemant
01-16-2007, 08:01 AM
:yeah: Truer words have never been spoken. Ljubojoke is an embarrassment to the sport.

Disagree on both accounts. :ras:

Fumus
01-16-2007, 06:40 PM
Major point loss for Ivan here, he's not going to defend RG. Where will he be by the time Wimbly rolls around?

Mistaflava
01-16-2007, 09:31 PM
:haha:

Poljud
01-16-2007, 11:33 PM
Geez...so many people on this board hate Ivan. I cant blame them honestly, some of the shit talking by Ljubicic fans would annoy the shit out of me too, but it takes two to tango, some of these calls against Ljubicic fans are uncalled for.

I think you can atleast respect the man as a player though. He won the davis cup with a tough draw virtually single handed, hes already won Doha this year and hes consistently challenged and beaten the top players. Everyone loses every now and again and yes this is a shocking loss but shit happens, he will regroup.

His results speak for themselves you dont need to belittle him just because some of his fans are dickheads.

Horatio Caine
01-16-2007, 11:37 PM
Geez...so many people on this board hate Ivan. I cant blame them honestly, some of the shit talking by Ljubicic fans would annoy the shit out of me too, but it takes two to tango, some of these calls against Ljubicic fans are uncalled for.

I think you can atleast respect the man as a player though. He won the davis cup with a tough draw virtually single handed, hes already won Doha this year and hes consistently challenged and beaten the top players. Everyone loses every now and again and yes this is a shocking loss but shit happens, he will regroup.

His results speak for themselves you dont need to belittle him just because some of his fans are dickheads.

Having met and talked to the man himself, I have total respect for him...he is one of the more fan-friendly players out there. He is no comparison to the likes of a Hrbaty, Lopez or Mathieu who act like you don't exist. However, when the majority of his fans act the way they do...who blames people for throwing everything back at them? :shrug: :devil:

Deboogle!.
01-16-2007, 11:44 PM
Geez...so many people on this board hate Ivan. I cant blame them honestly, some of the shit talking by Ljubicic fans would annoy the shit out of me too, but it takes two to tango, some of these calls against Ljubicic fans are uncalled for.

I think you can atleast respect the man as a player though. He won the davis cup with a tough draw virtually single handed, hes already won Doha this year and hes consistently challenged and beaten the top players. Everyone loses every now and again and yes this is a shocking loss but shit happens, he will regroup.

His results speak for themselves you dont need to belittle him just because some of his fans are dickheads.Yeah, and some of us are just big fans of Mardy Fish. So?

Poljud
01-16-2007, 11:46 PM
Yeah, and some of us are just big fans of Mardy Fish. So?

Im referring to the fans who dont like either player but are extremely happy when Ivan Ljubicic loses.

Deboogle!.
01-16-2007, 11:48 PM
Im referring to the fans who dont like either player but are extremely happy when Ivan Ljubicic loses.well, welcome to the club; Roddick fans have been putting up with it here for years. :)

Apemant
01-17-2007, 12:18 AM
well, welcome to the club; Roddick fans have been putting up with it here for years. :)

Yeah that's bad, but the worst thing you can do about it is to effectively join the haters by doing the same (only to some other player). A hater is a hater, doesn't matter who's the object of hatred; after all, it's most often just a matter of taste. :devil:

I get annoyed by Ljubo bashing very often, but I dare you to find a post where I gloat over some Roddick loss just for a meaningless idea of 'getting even' with some of his fans who enjoy trashtalking Ljubo. I don't do that because I find the concept rather childish, don't you agree? ;)

El Legenda
01-17-2007, 12:20 AM
Major point loss for Ivan here, he's not going to defend RG. Where will he be by the time Wimbly rolls around?

in the top ten :)
but what really matters is where he will be at end of year...and he has nothing to defend at Wim, USO, Madrid and Paris..indoor :drool: and this year he wont have a virus :lol:

El Legenda
01-17-2007, 12:20 AM
well, welcome to the club; Roddick fans have been putting up with it here for years. :)

Vamos Andy! :wavey:

Deboogle!.
01-17-2007, 12:22 AM
Yeah that's bad, but the worst thing you can do about it is to effectively join the haters by doing the same (only to some other player). A hater is a hater, doesn't matter who's the object of hatred; after all, it's most often just a matter of taste. :devil:

I get annoyed by Ljubo bashing very often, but I dare you to find a post where I gloat over some Roddick loss just for a meaningless idea of 'getting even' with some of his fans who enjoy trashtalking Ljubo. I don't do that because I find the concept rather childish, don't you agree? ;)I never said you did. I don't do that kind of thing either. Mardy happens to be my second very favorite player, so I was thrilled for him, not b/c he beat Ljubicic. and of course it's very childish, hence why I don't do it :)

Apemant
01-17-2007, 12:38 AM
I never said you did. I don't do that kind of thing either. Mardy happens to be my second very favorite player, so I was thrilled for him, not b/c he beat Ljubicic. and of course it's very childish, hence why I don't do it :)

I know you never said it. And I never said you said I did, if you catch my drift :devil:

I was speaking generally, not about you in particular. Maybe the haters from both sides read this, maybe they decide to become nicer, maybe the sky turns yellow and the grass turns purple, maybe... ah well. ;)

Merton
01-17-2007, 05:04 AM
Mardy can be very dangerous when he serves well, but the result was still surprising. I expected Ivan to make the quarters here.

Apemant
01-17-2007, 08:50 AM
Mardy can be very dangerous when he serves well, but the result was still surprising. I expected Ivan to make the quarters here.

Look what Mardy said:

MARDY FISH: Yes. I knew today, I had to -- if Ivan gets initiative, takes initiative, you're toast. I felt like I was hitting my shots deep. My shots were penetrating real well.

He's the kind of guy that if you have an opening on his serve, you have to take it, you have to be aggressive. That was my mindset.


That's the key: don't play defense against Ljubo, unless your name is Rafael. Constant pressure, that's the way to force him into UEs. Also, never lose focus, it's not over till it's over. Well Mardy did just that, and deserved to win.

FiBeR
01-18-2007, 06:26 PM
The best part about all of this (and no disrespect to the very few respectable Ljubo fans out there) is that there were about 2-3 idiots in the LIVE SCORES thread yesterday who kept bickering on about how much Mardy Fish sucks ass.

Jerry Seinfeld...where are you bro. How annoying can it be for people who think matches are done in the first set. All I kept reading was how much Fish is garbage and how this is great for Ljubicic.

What a sweet loss for the tennis community. Someone get that clown out of the TOP 10 already.


:haha:



I do think Ljubicic is overrated