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Who do you think will win Roland Garros?

JennyS
03-05-2004, 04:35 PM
Okay, I know it's early, but who do you think will win Roland Garros this year?

WyveN
03-05-2004, 04:39 PM
hard to pick against ferrero without seeing any major clay tournaments yet

*Ljubica*
03-05-2004, 04:53 PM
hard to pick against ferrero without seeing any major clay tournaments yet

I agree WyveN, though I must say I have a sneaking feeling that Marat could surprise a lot of people at Roland Garros this year. I'm not a Safin fan particularly, but I know it's a favourite tournament of his, and - I don't know, - I just think he could do it this year somehow.

RogiFan88
03-05-2004, 05:19 PM
Well, since Maratski didn't get AO, he'll be targeting RG. He has reached the SF before Juanqui stopped him, so you never know!

Lots of people will want this one besides Juanqui and Marat: Rogi, Guille, AA...

Frooty_Bazooty
03-05-2004, 05:33 PM
considering guille has not lost on clay since the last time he played in Rg, im gonna vote for him

loly
03-05-2004, 06:19 PM
I think Guillermo Coria can win RG this year and it s true he don t loose on clay since RG 2003.
VAMOS MAGO

Marine
03-05-2004, 06:44 PM
Please, not a clay specialist ! Federer Safin, ok, the others of the poll, noooooooo !

Katie G
03-05-2004, 06:51 PM
Perhaps Moya will surprise us all!

alfonsojose
03-05-2004, 07:02 PM
1. Ferrero
2. Moya (he still has a chance)
3. Nadal
4. Agassi (see Moya)

Chloe le Bopper
03-05-2004, 07:16 PM
Please, not a clay specialist ! Federer Safin, ok, the others of the poll, noooooooo !

I'm sorry... what? How many times does Ferrero have to reach the semis in Oz and finals of the USO and win Madrid, before people stop calling him a "clay specialist"? :rolleyes:

His slam results are roughly as good as Safin's are. Try to look past the ESP, and actually consider the results.

RogiFan88
03-05-2004, 07:18 PM
Perhaps Moya will surprise us all!

That WOULD be a surprise... he's won it already... time for either Juanqui or a new guy to win it.

Touche, Becca!! ;)

Yonge
03-05-2004, 08:55 PM
I would L-O-V-E for Coria to win RG since I think it is the only slam he can actually win. But I think Safin will take this year's title.

Billabong
03-05-2004, 09:56 PM
It's a little bit early for me to predict, I'll have a better idea when the clay season will begin:)! But the main contenders are definitely the ones mentionned in this poll:)!

Raul-Lopez
03-05-2004, 11:32 PM
Ferrero or Coria

renatoal
03-06-2004, 12:00 AM
If not Guga, will be Federer or Coria ... one of these 3 .. in that order ...

faboozadoo15
03-06-2004, 12:08 AM
1 roger
2 ferrero
3 marat
4 guille
5 agassi

Scotty5
03-06-2004, 05:09 AM
I'd love to see one of the comeback "kids" pull through: Safin, Guga, or Moya.
I think Coria COULD do it, but he needs some ehlp from the draw--I don't see him getting past Safin AND Federer, for example. Even on clay, I think some big hitters can serve him off the court.

Dirk
03-06-2004, 05:37 AM
I think only Guga and Roger can win this event in any draw no matter how hard. If Guga can get even close to his 01 level again he will definitely be the favorite. JC and Coria can do it and will be faves too. Safin as long as Roger and Guga are not in his way. His results with them on clay are welll not in his favor to say the least. Moya has been playing great but he would need a nice draw and some magic to get by some of the top clay guys. Same for Andre but Moya is more of a fave than him. I hope Andre makes it very far. I like watching him on clay because he will be one of the sentimental underdogs this year. After Andre goes I am not sure another American will win RG or any respectable clay title for a long long time.

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 05:40 AM
I am sick of Agassi getting easy draws at RG, then again I won't have to see him for much longer.

It's early to say who will win the French. Marine just hates Spanish players because overall they are better and more successful than French ones.

sebastiagol
03-06-2004, 06:35 AM
Marcelo Rios.. no dubt ..but the atp have to give him a wc.

Gonzalez?? humm could be.. but he will lost against Rios..

CooCooCachoo
03-06-2004, 07:21 AM
I think Juan Carlos has a good shot at winning again, although Coría (hopefully not!) could do well too. I am looking forward to some upsets though. A Kucera - Robredo final would be lovely ;)

Domino
03-06-2004, 07:33 AM
Meh, I would love to see a J.C. v Roger final, but anything can happen, and I really am not going to pick a favorite until Monte Carlo, Rome, and Hamburg have been completed. I would like to say, that Gonzalez took Ferrero to five sets last year in RG, and beat Ferrero to win the RG juniors, so he can pull a surprise, but that is highly unlikely considering he is too much of a hit-and-miss player.

CmonAussie
03-06-2004, 07:37 AM
Ofcourse I'd like to think "Hewitt Can Do IT"; and if he's on top of his confidence, with an OK Draw ->> he's certainly capable of taking down any of the "usual (clay) suspects"= Ferrero, Coria, Moya, Kuerten.... If Hewitt makes it to the Final he'll have the mental edge on these guys.!!

Saying that I would probably give the favourite status to Federer because he's on fire since Masters Cup last year...
Also I'd be happy if Kuerten won again because that guy throws a lot of passion into everything & you've got to love the Brazilians^^.

Maybe Nadal could get to the Final but I can't see him winning the whole thing at this early stage in his career.

WyveN
03-06-2004, 07:44 AM
If Federer wins the FO (probably around 10% chance at most right now) then a grand slam is certainly possible.
I just cant see him winning though, quarters or semis would be good.

WyveN
03-06-2004, 07:45 AM
Ofcourse I'd like to think "Hewitt Can Do IT"; and if he's on top of his confidence, with an OK Draw ->> he's certainly capable of taking down any of the "usual (clay) suspects"= Ferrero, Coria, Moya, Kuerten.... If Hewitt makes it to the Final he'll have the mental edge on these guys.!!


Hewitt wont be winning 7 back to back clay matches.......i dont see how in the world Hewitt can beat a healthy Ferrero on clay as well

Domino
03-06-2004, 07:47 AM
How can you say Federer's chance in RG is 10% at most? He has won on the slowest surface (Hamburg) and RG is considered to be a faster surface than Hamburg's, giving him an edge.

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 07:48 AM
Plus a few others as well Wyver. Hewitt will never win a French Open unless he geats the easiest draw, play serve/volleyers and meet Roddick in the final.

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 07:49 AM
Domino, once again you have missed the point. Federer is very good on clay, but this is easily the hardest for him to win hence the lesser percentage.

There are at least 20 something guys who could easily take out Federer at the French Open and unlike the other Slams this one is the most open for the sheer quality of players that could easily win it.

CmonAussie
03-06-2004, 07:58 AM
Hi there WyveN Mate(:>
*As I've said before Hewitt is more accomplished on Clay than many like to believe...
Last Year he beat Moya on clay in Dusseldorf.
2000; he beat Costa in Barcelona.
2001; he beat Kuerten in Brazil.
~~ Also he holds a 5-3 edge on Ferrero overall & when they played on Clay in the Davis Cup 2000 >> Hewitt lost a tight 4-setter to Ferrero with the worst crowd ever seen in Barcelona, where the local Spaniards actually threw tomatoes at Hewitt & Costa/Corretja conspired to get the crowd booing & jeering against Hewitt's every shot...
That was widely regarded as one of the more disgraceful moments in Davis Cup history & Hewitt still managed to beat Costa & lose narrowly to Ferrero...
Anyway it doesn't matter what I think because ultimately Hewitt will try & let his tennis do the talking >> he's set his sights on the French this year because he knows many doubters think he can't do it... so don't be surprised if my optimism comes to fruition.

PS; I put Federer slightly ahead of Ferrero in terms of his chances because the Swiss Cheese has a superior record in significant Finals, while Mosquito has choked almost everytime~ except against lucky-finalist Verkerk in last years Final.!!

Domino
03-06-2004, 08:04 AM
CmonAussie: On Hewitt, a few wins separated by a year do not add up to seven wins in a row against some of the most accomplished clay courters in the world.

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 08:10 AM
Cmon Aussie good to see your rampant bias hasn't dampened over time. Yes, he has had two great wins on clay in Davis Cup, but since when is Davis Cup the same as a Slam?

Hewitt doesn't have the game or the right movement to win 7 tough matches on clay. He will be tough to beat for sure, as I said earlier he won't win the French unless those things happen to him that was mentioned in my original post.

CmonAussie
03-06-2004, 08:33 AM
GeoregWhitler cobber mate^^
--- I respect your views & you may prove to be correct; absolutely Hewitt would rather play Roddick in RG Final than either Ferrero or Moya but I'm still backing my man to cause an upset because Lleyton's whole career has been made on confounding the critics.
eg. McEnroe was asked about Hewitt's chances of winning Wimbledon in 2000 during an interview on Dave Letterman Show >> Mac quickly dismissed Hewitt as a "minor-tournament player who belongs with the skate boarding dudes"..
Very few people ever expected Hewitt to win the US Open, then with his baseline game they thought Wimbledon was out of reach; also they didn't think he was No.1 material but somehow he did it back-to-back......
Last year he was in a slump & many were quick to write him off again...

Tell me; if Chang can win the French & make another final there ..>> why can't Hewitt, who is a couple of inches taller, stronger forehand, equally good movement, & the best mental game and gutsy determination since Connors or Borg????

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 08:44 AM
Chang was very fortunate the year he won the 89 final, but good for him. Lendl well never did anything there after 87, Chesnokov had him in the semi finals the best claycourter was injured ( Muster) and Edberg took out Mancini. He had a serve/volleyer in the final, a huge advantage for Chang.

Also you may not have noticed claycourt tennis has changed and just getting the ball back doesn't work that well anymore. Two, the top claycourt players can easly get the balls higher than Hewitt's comfort zone on the groundstrokes and that leaves him vulnerable.

The movement is much different on clay than it's on hardcourt, and it's a huge part of the game and also I don't think he is that interested in improving his claycourt game.

He has never won a claycourt title in Europe that was of reasonable standard, sorry beating Malisse in the US doesn't count.

shaoyu
03-06-2004, 08:55 AM
Punters' expectation on the chances of winning French Open (lists those who have >=1% chance):

Ferrero 2/9 = 22.2%
Federer 1/6 = 16.7%
Coria 1/7 = 14.3%
Agassi 1/17 = 5.9%
Moya 1/17 = 5.9%
Roddick 1/17 = 5.9%
Safin 1/19 = 5.3%
Kuerten 1/21 = 4.8%
Nalbandian 1/21 = 4.8%
Gonzales 1/23 = 4.3%
Hewitt 1/23 = 4.3%
Nadal 1/34 = 2.9%
Costa 1/41 = 2.4%
Gaudio 1/41 = 2.4%
Grojean 1/51 = 2.0%
Calleri 1/67 = 1.5%
Massu 1/67 = 1.5%
Robredo 1/67 = 1.5%

WyveN
03-06-2004, 09:29 AM
cmonaussie, would you still be as optimistic of hewitt winning the french if he wasn't aussie?
and if not then what different does it make?

Davis Cup is oh so different from slams as i have explained umpteen times

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 09:39 AM
Wyve, so cyncial of you? But you are right comonaussie still hasn't answered my reasons to why Hewitt can't win.

TheBoiledEgg
03-06-2004, 09:42 AM
if Hewitt wins RG, i'll do a streak at Wimbledon

that always worked for Sampras, though Hewitt's chances are about 1% more.

He's got slim or no chance, and Slim's just left town.

even if the Top 100 guys went on strike, he still wont win it.


its gonna be the usual suspects.

Ferrero, Safin, Moya (needs good draw for w1), Coria, Federer (if he can get past 1r), Kuerten now that he's won a clay event again but he's got bad news, no Kafelnikov to play in 1/4, he's won RG 3 times and each time he beat YK in 1/4)


possibles:
Robredo, Costa, Calleri, Gaudio, Nadal, Agassi, Grosjean.

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 09:45 AM
TBE, I would agree with that but I think you rate Agassi and Robredo a bit highly in that regard.

Do a streak I hope you have a stadium ready to book, nah I think you are in safe in this one.

CmonAussie
03-06-2004, 10:01 AM
WyveN, GeorgeWHitler, and The Boiled Egg fellow tennis enthusiasts...

Ofcourse everyone has their biases & I'm quite upfront about mine but I genuinly think Hewitt has a decent shot at the French; ofcourse he's not a favourite in anyone's eyes but his record on Clay and generally in big matches is very good...

I'll admit the Clay game has changed since the days of Chang winning in 89, however if you've watched Hewitt this year his game is also evolving; his serve still improving, physically he's stronger(about 7kg of pure muscle in the last few months) and he's bloody motivated after missing out at Aus Open & then the disappointment of losing Davis Cup to Sweden(though he won his singles match)...

Reasons Hewitt has a good chance to Win***
1) Won 2-Slams on different surfaces
2) Won back-to-back Masters Cups
3) Dating back to September last year he is 20/1 in matches played~ obviously his slump is over...
4) Having recently turned 23yrs he is currently the 2nd most winning active Male Player with 21titles; second only behind Agassi & far ahead of his fellow "New Balls".
5) On Clay Hewitt has made SF's~ Rome, Hamburg, Barcelona + QF at RG
6) Even when he loses to top clay court players he usually goes down in 4hour 5-set battles so obviously he's not getting blasted away by anyone.
7) He plays much better when the pressure is off him & nobody is predicting him to succed at RG.
8) Head-to-Head Hewitt has a winning record over everyone imaginable(Federer, Ferrero, Agassi, Roddick, Nalbandian, Nadal, Kuerten, Coria...etc.) except his one nemisis is Moya~ whom he is narrowly losing 4-5 & whom he beat on clay last year!
9) Hewitt's Clay Court schedule is much better this year as he plans to play 3Clay lead up events to FO
10) It's time for a non-clay court specialist to win in France; Chang 89, Courier 91-92, Kafelnekov 96, Agassi 99...... Hewitt 04 (I really hope & believe*).

Domino
03-06-2004, 10:19 AM
Counter-Points
1. Those were fast surfaces
2. Again, fast surface, not slow clay
3. Dating from the beginning of the year, Hrbaty is 17-1 and has less than 1% chance of winning, yet he is a former RG semifinalist
4. This has no bearing. One clay title among those, which is Housten, not a hard one to win.
5. Did he win any of those? No, he needs to prove he can win big on clay before I believe he will win RG.
6. He is the biggest fighter in the world. He doesn't give up a point. He rarely goes down, even if the player is playing that much better than him, without putting up a fight.
7. The pressure was off him this year to win the Aus Open-he lost in the 4th round.
8. Check clay head to heads with those: Moya leads 2-1, Ferrero leads 2 - 0, Leads Roddick (Who from the top wouldn't?) 1 - 0: but it was retirement, leads Nalbandian (But Nalbandian is much better on the fast surfaces, he doesn't like clay) 1 - 0, leads Kuerten 1-0 (Okay, I'll give him that). All the others, he never met on clay. Coria almost beat him on a fast surface in IW.
9. Has no real bearing here
10. Those where world-class ALL-court players. How much does JC have to do to prove he is also an all-court player (Final of U.S. Open and winning Madrid Masters Series)?

J. Corwin
03-06-2004, 10:20 AM
Yea but some of the points you made in your list don't pertain to Hewitt winning RG this year. What does those have to do with it at all?

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 10:22 AM
I have watched Hewitt and I still haven't seen any clear evidence that he is going to improve his record on clay. Then again did you choose to gloss over the fact that because of the type of tournament RG is, he can't away with playing crap and expecting to win, this tournament has the most potential winners than the other Slams, another disadvanatge when he was at his best, he couldn't achieve and he won't achieve it in his career.

Domino
03-06-2004, 10:28 AM
1jackson2001: Are you talking to me or CmonAussie?

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by CmonAussie
Reasons Hewitt has a good chance to Win***
1) Won 2-Slams on different surfaces
2) Won back-to-back Masters Cups
3) Dating back to September last year he is 20/1 in matches played~ obviously his slump is over...
4) Having recently turned 23yrs he is currently the 2nd most winning active Male Player with 21titles; second only behind Agassi & far ahead of his fellow "New Balls".
5) On Clay Hewitt has made SF's~ Rome, Hamburg, Barcelona + QF at RG
6) Even when he loses to top clay court players he usually goes down in 4hour 5-set battles so obviously he's not getting blasted away by anyone.
7) He plays much better when the pressure is off him & nobody is predicting him to succed at RG.
8) Head-to-Head Hewitt has a winning record over everyone imaginable(Federer, Ferrero, Agassi, Roddick, Nalbandian, Nadal, Kuerten, Coria...etc.) except his one nemisis is Moya~ whom he is narrowly losing 4-5 & whom he beat on clay last year!
9) Hewitt's Clay Court schedule is much better this year as he plans to play 3Clay lead up events to FO
10) It's time for a non-clay court specialist to win in France; Chang 89, Courier 91-92, Kafelnekov 96, Agassi 99...... Hewitt 04 (I really hope & believe*).

1. How does a hardcourt and a grass Slam compare to winning on clay? Where the matches are usually longer, the level is a lot higher and more dangerous player here than on other surfaces.
2. Totally irrelevant to the question at hand. When were these played on clay?
3. How many of these were claycourt matches? Precisely none
4. Another point not relevant to how he is going to win RG.
5. Making semis isn't the same as winning. When he has made those places, he has lost to players who are superior on the clay and this will continue to happen.
6. The question was will he win the FO? So how does he loses close matches actually help him win the tournament?
7. Nobody expected him to win RG then and they don't expect him to win it now.
8. The World Team Cup is used a tune up for the French Open no more, the other head to heads well he hasn't beaten Ferrero on clay, he has lost to Gaudio, Canas, Robredo tough players on clay those are the guys he has to beat to get anywhere winning.
9. His results and who he beats are more important than who he plays.
10. So Moya and Ferrero are clay specialists are they? You do have your head up your arse if you think that is totally true.

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 10:32 AM
Yes, Domino jackson was talking to CmonAussie, I have missed you btw domino.

WyveN
03-06-2004, 10:39 AM
if Hewitt wins RG, i'll do a streak at Wimbledon


i will do a streak on this forum if he wins any slam this year ;)

CmonAussie
03-06-2004, 10:41 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion~>> and this is the last time I'll bore you guys with my thoughts of Hewitt winning at RG this year..
* The 10 points I made were all valid even if not immediately obvious.
Especially Lleyton's record in big-matches & leading head-to-head over his rivals are definitely big factors when you get to the SF/Finals of Grand Slams.
People get nervous & funny things happen, the history of tennis is full of upsets; and Hewitt has a good record in doing the upsetting(:>

Imagine it gets down to the Semi-finals & then Hewitt has to play Kuerten, whom he beat in Brazil & absolutely destroyed at IW Final last year(6-1,6-1)...are you guys telling me Lleyton doesn't have a chance there??
Then Hewitt has to face Ferrero in the Final(very possible scenario); Mosquito is well known for freezing on the big occassion & has a close rivalry with Hewitt but more often than not the Spaniard has run out of gas in the end^^ witness Rotterdam 2-weeks ago, Davis Cup Final 4-months ago, Masters Cup Final 02, Masters Cup 01 >>> again if it came down to a Hewitt vs Ferrero Final (or some other rival)~ then Lleyton has a much better chance than any of you guys care to admit(@_@).

90% I'm a realist(just the facts Mam), and the remaining 10% optimist!

Domino
03-06-2004, 10:44 AM
Ferrero would never freeze up against Hewitt because he knows that he owns the boy on clay. Did you watch their match in the U.S. Open last year? Oh, and I don't think you can call yourself a realist if you pick Hewitt to win RG. He hasn't even played on clay this year.

WyveN
03-06-2004, 10:50 AM
* The 10 points I made were all valid even if not immediately obvious.
Especially Lleyton's record in big-matches & leading head-to-head over his rivals are definitely big factors when you get to the SF/Finals of Grand Slams.


Didn't help him against Roger at AO



Imagine it gets down to the Semi-finals & then Hewitt has to play Kuerten, whom he beat in Brazil & absolutely destroyed at IW Final last year(6-1,6-1)...are you guys telling me Lleyton doesn't have a chance there??
Then Hewitt has to face Ferrero in the Final(very possible scenario); Mosquito is well known for freezing on the big occassion & has a close rivalry with Hewitt but more often than not the Spaniard has run out of gas in the end


Keyword in that paragraph is imagine. The RG monkey is off Ferrero's back so it is Hewitt who will be newrous if they meet and even if Hewitt somehow gets to the final, which is highly unlikely in itself, he will most likely get thrashed by Ferrero just like last time at RG.


^^ witness Rotterdam 2-weeks ago, Davis Cup Final 4-months ago, Masters Cup Final 02, Masters Cup 01


All extremely close matches on non clay surfaces. On clay JCF will get enough edge to turn things around. Lets not forget USO QF.

Plain reason why Hewitt wont win RG, he has virtually had no easy matches there which is something you need on the gruelling clay.

CmonAussie
03-06-2004, 10:50 AM
BTW GeorgeWHitler-->>
*Just to clarify I don't consider Moya or Ferrero as Clay court specialists; I relise they are fantastic on Hard Courts as well but Clay remains their best chance to win further Slams.
However I believe Moya is a choker (15/18 in Career Finals & lost 98 Masters Cup Final after leading 2sets-to-love over Corretja); Ferrero is also suspect when it comes to big matches (11/11 in Finals but lost 3/4 big Finals he's played in>> only Won RG against a much lesser opponent in Verkerk);-->> Hewitt on the other hand nearly always rises to the occasion of big Finals (21/7 overall & 4/4 for the Biggest ones he's played in).

Facts are facts & you guys ignore the one's that don't support your dislike of Lleyton...

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 10:52 AM
Well said Domino, CmonAussie you are not a realist at all, your a ridiculous optimist if you think Hewitt will win RG.

Ferrero has never been troubled on clay by Hewitt. The DC match was hard, but Ferrero didn't look like losing and I don't think he could come back from hard matches on clay, not the other surfaces Clay, for it's a different kinds of matches, which he is not used to.

I don't think all of your 10 points are obvious, and I gave reasons why they weren't obvious or relevant in the context of the question asked.

You talk about him making the semis RG, he will make the quarters at best and will need some upsets to for the draw to open up. Of course you try to use spin to turn it around, but the spin doesn't hold water when it's used to the context of claycourt tennis which is something Hewitt hasn't overl excelled inspite of good Davis Cup wins, which as you know and don't want to admit are different from Tour play.

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 10:55 AM
Wrong again Cmon, I have defended Hewitt many times in the past and there are people who can vouch for that, but with what you have presented and from what I have seen from Hewitt, he will be tough to beat, but he will not win RG ever.

Incorrect again Moya has won 1 more RG than Hewitt, so Corretja is a joke opponent then? You said claycourt specialists not winning, Moya and Ferrero are not claycourt specialists and haven't been for some time. It's just idiots in the English-language press who think anyone with a Latin sounding name is automatically a clay specialist.

WyveN
03-06-2004, 10:56 AM
BTW GeorgeWHitler-->>

Facts are facts & you guys ignore the one's that don't support your dislike of Lleyton...


Your are arguing against 3-4 people. Could there be a slight possibility you are the one ignoring the facts?

CmonAussie
03-06-2004, 11:11 AM
Thanks for the enjoyable debate WyveN, George, BoiledEgg and Domino; I really think it's healthy to consider 2-sides to the story(:>
*Well in about 3-4 months we'll know the outcome of this debate & see who has egg on their faces(perhaps me?).
#Just remember if Hewitt wins then you can say "I told you so.."!

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 11:12 AM
There will be no egg on my face, only on my plate when I am making omelettes.

Chloe le Bopper
03-06-2004, 11:18 AM
10. Those where world-class ALL-court players. How much does JC have to do to prove he is also an all-court player (Final of U.S. Open and winning Madrid Masters Series)?

I've been a fan of Ferrero for years, and came to the conclusion a while ago that he could win Wimbledon (hypothetically of course, since he's never actually going to do that) and people would still call him a clay specialist.

Apparently it's too hard for some people to look past the ESP after his name. Whatever. Their prejudice has been noted.

Chloe le Bopper
03-06-2004, 11:21 AM
Ferrero would never freeze up against Hewitt because he knows that he owns the boy on clay. Did you watch their match in the U.S. Open last year? Oh, and I don't think you can call yourself a realist if you pick Hewitt to win RG. He hasn't even played on clay this year.
Indeed.

I do agree with her that the Ferrero-Hewitt rivalry is compelling, but she seems to be neglecting who has won all of their Grand Slam matches, and more notably, all of their clay matches.

Thinking that Ferrero might freeze up against Hewitt at Roland Garros of all places, is just desparate wishing thinking. He didn't do it at the US Open, and he sure as Hell wouldn't do it at Roland Garros.

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 11:21 AM
Been noted for years actually Rebecca, don't why I have a longer memory I still remember when Wilander won 4 Slams, he was still called a one dimensional clay player, but he eventually proved them wrong.

Chloe le Bopper
03-06-2004, 11:26 AM
However I believe Moya is a choker (15/18 in Career Finals & lost 98 Masters Cup Final after leading 2sets-to-love over Corretja);

What on earth does the Masters Cup have to do with Roland Garros? I'm lost on the correlation here.

Hewitt's Masters Cup accomplishments are fine and dandy. Nobody is knocking them. He has mastered the masters cup! Okay? But it's not Roland Garros. Not even close. So bugger off with that ;)

Ferrero is also suspect when it comes to big matches (11/11 in Finals but lost 3/4 big Finals he's played in>> only Won RG against a much lesser opponent in Verkerk);-->> Hewitt on the other hand nearly always rises to the occasion of big Finals (21/7 overall & 4/4 for the Biggest ones he's played in).

Right. Ferrero only beat a "lesser" opponent. Gee, he was so lucky. That Hewitt, did he ever have the toughest Wimbledon draw the world has ever seen. That final match? BRUTAL. Couldn't have picked a winner if my life depended on it.

Chloe le Bopper
03-06-2004, 11:29 AM
Been noted for years actually Rebecca, don't why I have a longer memory I still remember when Wilander won 4 Slams, he was still called a one dimensional clay player, but he eventually proved them wrong.
Yeah... people are dumb. I accept this. That doesn't mean it doesn't often leave me flabberghast with my law slack, but I usually manage to compose myself after a moment of two.

Amazing that Mats got slack for being a "clay courter". Though I don't see Ferrero winning 4 slams (or 7 for that matter), I'm sure he'll be remembered as a clay courter for the rest of time. That's okay. Those of us who pay attention know better.

It's funny... as soon as Nadal started to make an impact last year, the "claycourter" comments started up. Despite the fact that ALL his ATP events had been on clay, there were murmurs of "all his results are on clay. He'll never do anything off clay"... a lot of time these were people who had never even seen him play. Again... ESP on the end of the name is enough to do it for some people. Speaking of those people, they've been awfully quiet lately!

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 11:39 AM
Well Rebecca, I wasn't surprised by Nadal's results away from the clay actually and yes a lot of those people have been very quiet.

As I said it's usually prejudice coming from the English language press about claycourt specialst. Corretja won TMC and Super 9s away from the clay, but he will always have that accusation.

The Hewitt lover well at least they went to great lengths in giving their points of reason, which took a whole 2 minutes to debunk.

Chloe le Bopper
03-06-2004, 11:43 AM
I wasn't surprised with Nadal's results away from clay. I knew when I first saw him play that he had enough game to play well pretty much anywhere. Before seeing him play, I could see that his challenger results were good across all surfaces, as were his junior results. There was really never any reason to type cast him as a specialist... but ignorant people did it anyways.

Uh, I've gotten off topic.

I do that from time to time.

Chloe le Bopper
03-06-2004, 11:44 AM
Another interesting one was David Nalbandian... it took a damn while for him to break away from the clay specialist mold, and even now he doesn't completely escape the BS. In his case it was even funnier than most, because clay is far from his best surface.

Action Jackson
03-06-2004, 11:50 AM
Back to topic I wouldn't be surprised if Nadal won RG, but I don't think it will be this year.

Actually I would love a bolter to win it again, this tournament has been the launching pad for many careers Borg, Wilander, Lendl, Chang, Kuerten, Agassi as examples. The first five by winning it, but Agassi with his performance to make the semis in 88 at his first Slam outside of the US, got a lot of people noticing him for his silly fashion and his ability.

Nalbandian is no gimp on clay though.

RoddickPride
03-06-2004, 10:13 PM
I think Federer is going to have a clean sweep this year at all of the grand slams. :sad: Although I hope Safin wins at least one!

Fedex
03-06-2004, 11:06 PM
The idea of Hewitt EVER winning RG is :lol: :lol: :haha: :haha:

WyveN
03-06-2004, 11:51 PM
I think Federer is going to have a clean sweep this year at all of the grand slams. :sad: Although I hope Safin wins at least one!

Chances of that are so incredibly small it is not worth discussing. Not to mention such a achievement would make him close to best ever

Fedex
03-07-2004, 12:24 AM
Well, i dont think Roger will do that, I do think he will win 1 more major this year. Likely he'll repeat at Wimbledon, unless he gets injured. Good shot at the Open as well.

Action Jackson
03-07-2004, 04:17 AM
I would like Roger to be able to do the Slam, but realistically he doesn't have much hope of it. He might win 1 more Slam this year, anymore than that would be a fantastic effort.

Dirk
03-07-2004, 04:35 AM
AWWWWWWWW George wants Roger to make history. :hug:

Action Jackson
03-07-2004, 04:52 AM
Very funny Dirk, but the odds are in Federer's favour of winning a Slam. I think it would be good if he could win RG and he is capable, but as I have said before he needs to improve his defensive capabilities and be prepared to grind out the 5 set wins, as he has not won a 5 set match since 2001 while losing his last 4 matches that have went the distance.

Chloe le Bopper
03-07-2004, 04:53 AM
History is sort of :yawn:

Dirk
03-07-2004, 05:03 AM
He won a few 5 sets at RG in 01 and I think 00. Roger has the fitness even more so now. Defensively he is very very good. His patience is much stronger now too. People just don't see him as a great defender since he is most controlling his matches. Its all about patience and staying focused and thinking. Roger can transfer his game to clay very easily since he moves very well on it but its all about his mind. I hope he goes into it with a clay master as that is the only events on clay he is playing before RG. If Roger can make the 2nd week and believe that he can win it, it could make all the difference. I would put Roger in the top 5 for contenders for sure. Some time down the road in his career he will win RG I believe. I just hope its sooner than later.

Action Jackson
03-07-2004, 05:09 AM
My problem with Federer on clay is summed up by his final performance against Mantilla. Those are the things he needs to address and yes also that means winning 5 set matches as well.

Yes, he is a better defensive player than Agassi for example but he still needs to improve that side of his game for sure. First he has to win his 1st round match before anything else can happen for him.

Dirk
03-07-2004, 05:12 AM
Yeah Roger just didn't grind that one out. I know he was tired and all but still no excuse. Felix is what 30? If he can grind it out so can Roger. Roger just got a bad attitude when he didn't get one of those 5 break points in the 1st set. Yeah I hope he gets by the first round. I am sure he will. Just as long as he makes the qrts I am happy.

RogiFan88
03-07-2004, 10:14 PM
It's highly unlikely that Rogi or anyone can win THE true slam [4 in a calendar year] w all the competition. If anyone can do it, then :worship: to him.

Rogi needs to BELIEVE he can win RG... he has to have the patience to win vs. "boring" players like Felix... he has to be able to win in straights or even 4 sets because I believe that he is not one of those persistent, patient guys [like Costa or the old Corretja] who can go the distance of a 5-setter and win it.

Having said that, no reason why Rogi can't win RG one day soon... not this year tho... he'll be focussing on defending Wimby. And who can win both in one year any more? ;) Also Juanqui will be thinking the same way for RG.

claudine140
03-08-2004, 12:44 AM
Perhaps Moya will surprise us all!

indeed last year moya played very well but he was unlucky to play against verkerk!!!!
the way he is playing this year, if everything stays ok with his health i think he is a serious candidate for the title

Domino
03-08-2004, 05:25 AM
Moya will not win if he faces Coria. Did anyone else take notice of Coria's manhandling him in Buenos Aires?

Dirk
03-08-2004, 06:50 AM
Did anyone take notice of moya still recovering from his ankle at that time. I agree Moya will be the underdog but saying he has no chance against Coria is pushing it.

Domino
03-08-2004, 07:20 AM
If a man can run down a drop shot and get there in time to hit a good shot, then his ankle is fine. He did jus that during the match, and was using his ankle as an excuse for not winning.

Action Jackson
03-08-2004, 07:29 AM
Moya was not unlucky against Verkerk. It wasn't Moya's fault that Verkerk was serving fantastically and hitting great groundstokes and moving very well in that match.

Good to see the blinkers are out in force again.

Chloe le Bopper
03-08-2004, 07:29 AM
The ankle excuse... does that stretch back to Monte Carlo 2003 too? Because I seem to remember a similar mandhandling there ;)

Chloe le Bopper
03-08-2004, 07:30 AM
Moya might also want to avoid Ferrero.

Action Jackson
03-08-2004, 07:31 AM
Ferrero might want to avoid Nalbandian or El Aynaoui.

Domino
03-08-2004, 07:31 AM
And Roger.

Action Jackson
03-08-2004, 07:33 AM
I don't think Ferrero fears Roger on clay as much as he fears the other two players.

Chloe le Bopper
03-08-2004, 07:35 AM
Ferrero might want to avoid Nalbandian or El Aynaoui.
And Gonzo.

I dont' think that Roger is so much of a worry. Roger he's beaten indoors. The other two he's had problems with everywhere.

oxy
03-08-2004, 07:36 AM
I don't think Ferrero fears Roger on clay as much as he fears the other two players.

agree...even on other surfaces a fit ferrero may not fear rogi too....but for david n el...i can't imagine!!!

Domino
03-08-2004, 07:36 AM
I was outposteb by you lol. I was trying to say Moya would want to stay clear of Roger. I know Ferrero probably doesn't fear federer.

Chloe le Bopper
03-08-2004, 07:36 AM
I was there for Ferrero's one win over Younes, btw. It was interupted by rain, blah. Not a great match by either, but there were some purdy points. ie; Ferrero falling over and still managing to win the point.

oxy
03-08-2004, 07:37 AM
of the top ten players ferrero has none to fear at all except david....outside top ten he seems to have more problems....wonder whats the reason????

Action Jackson
03-08-2004, 07:39 AM
Well time for some education kids Younes loves playing Spaniards.

He can beat them in Spain, on clay anywhere he speaks the language, he played a lot of his early events there and is familiar with their games and knows how to beat them reguarly.

Chloe le Bopper
03-08-2004, 07:41 AM
Well time for some education kids Younes loves playing Spaniards.

He can beat them in Spain, on clay anywhere he speaks the language, he played a lot of his early events there and is familiar with their games and knos how to beat them reguarly.
Nadal is 1-1 against him... damn USO match ;)

Action Jackson
03-08-2004, 07:43 AM
He owns Ferrero, Corretja, Mantilla, Vicente and Portas, yet he can't beat Blanco.

Domino
03-08-2004, 07:44 AM
I think just about everyone wouldn't want to play Younes.

Action Jackson
03-08-2004, 07:47 AM
Actually I think Agassi wouldn't mind Domino.

Though the problem is that little duck walking baldy will get another easy FO draw.

WyveN
03-08-2004, 08:35 AM
this is agssis last french open

Mane
03-08-2004, 01:44 PM
Lleyton Hewitt

joy
03-08-2004, 11:47 PM
I voted Ferrero, but it is really just a guess at this point. I'm going to wait for the clay season to begin to make my official prediction.
I would like to see Ferrero take the title again, I just love to see him play on Roland Garros. But that isn't to say that I think he's a clay specialist though, I think Ferrero has long proved that he can play well on any surface. He proved that with his US final and AO semi-final, but i was also impressed with his fourth round at Wimbledon last year. I don't he'll ever win it, but it's nice to know that he can gather some points there too.

Carito_90
03-09-2004, 06:44 AM
Well i'd love to see a Ferrero-Coria final. And even more, to see Coria win RG!
I know he'll make it this year!

JeLuliA88
03-09-2004, 08:45 AM
Probably either Ferrero or Coria, hard tipping against them on clay, especially Coria who has has a winning streak on clay which seems like forever... safin is also a likely contender too. But who knows maybe someone completely unexpected could also take out the title this year!

Domino
03-09-2004, 09:13 AM
Kratochville :)

Chloe le Bopper
03-09-2004, 10:40 AM
I think that you meant Crotchville. And yes, he's so obviously darkhorse material, that I failed to even think of that myself!