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Federer passes the 8,000 points mark!!!

RonE
10-28-2006, 05:04 PM
Following his victory in the semifinals in Basel today Roger will crack the 8,000 mark in the entry rankings.

Simply amazing :worship:

Fed-Express
10-28-2006, 05:07 PM
really scary. first one ever to break 7k, now 8k. bravo!

Dirk
10-28-2006, 05:07 PM
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. :)

deliveryman
10-28-2006, 05:09 PM
I don't see anyone breaking this mark (after Roger) anytime soon.

Pea
10-28-2006, 05:10 PM
Congrats Roger!

mangoes
10-28-2006, 05:11 PM
Congrats Roger:hug:...........that's quite an achievement:banana: :banana:

A_Rod
10-28-2006, 05:12 PM
If he win Paris-Bercy... Oh my!

Johnny Groove
10-28-2006, 05:12 PM
its only temporary :devil:

mangoes
10-28-2006, 05:13 PM
its only temporary :devil:


Ok, seriously, when Nadal made his history in the clay season, we all offered up our congrats and recognized his achievement. We just witnessed a record, in tennis, being made today and I think that's wonderful.

DDrago2
10-28-2006, 05:14 PM
You mean guaranteed 8000 by end of season, even if he looses everything in Shangai, or only currently 8000? Does he have a chance to break 9000 by end of season?

Rogiman
10-28-2006, 05:14 PM
its only temporary :devil:Aren't we all? :shrug:

Johnny Groove
10-28-2006, 05:15 PM
7870 + 250 (Basel Win) + 500 (Paris Win) + 250 (Shanghai undefeated)

8870.

Jack Sparrow
10-28-2006, 05:18 PM
maybe it will be temporary,but i don't think that nadal will be able to overcome 8000 points....this is sure!!!!:devil:

Habsudovafan
10-28-2006, 05:19 PM
An incredible achievement. RESPECT!

Rogiman
10-28-2006, 05:19 PM
7870 + 250 (Basel Win) + 500 (Paris Win) + 250 (Shanghai undefeated)

8870.Shanghai undefeated=750 points, you dumbass :p

atheneglaukopis
10-28-2006, 05:19 PM
maybe it will be temporary,but i don't think that nadal will be able to overcome 8000 points....this is sure!!!!:devil:Uncle Toni is hacking the ATP site again as we speak. :lol:

atheneglaukopis
10-28-2006, 05:20 PM
Shanghai undefeated=750 points, you dumbass :pMinus the 500 he's defending.

mangoes
10-28-2006, 05:20 PM
Shanghai undefeated=750 points, you dumbass :p

I think the 500 points from Shanghai, last year, is included in that 8000 mark.

jtipson
10-28-2006, 05:21 PM
Shanghai undefeated=750 points, you dumbass :p

He'll lose the 500 from last year though (actually he'll lose those next week, not after the TMC).

Rogiman
10-28-2006, 05:22 PM
I think the 500 points from Shanghai, last year, is included in that 8000 mark.
Oh OK then :p

trickcy
10-28-2006, 05:23 PM
ell done, Roger! :worship: :worship:

Johnny Groove
10-28-2006, 05:24 PM
Shanghai undefeated=750 points, you dumbass :p

hes defending 500 dumbass :p

Adler
10-28-2006, 05:24 PM
I wonder if anyone cracks 10,000. I'd kill myself then, cause having 10.000 points would mean I've seen enough I don't have anything to live for :D

A_Rod
10-28-2006, 05:25 PM
Shanghai undefeated=750 points, you dumbass :p

Yes, but Federer the last year reach to the final, if he win the Masters, plus only the difference, 250. ;)

tennisgal_001
10-28-2006, 05:26 PM
:eek: 8000...A record to stay for a VERY long time. Congrats Rogi :banana:
What is scarier is that he has a legitimate shot at 9000 in the course of 3 weeks only...:worship:

Rogiman
10-28-2006, 05:27 PM
hes defending 500 dumbass :pPoint taken :p

GlennMirnyi
10-28-2006, 05:27 PM
If Federer wins both Paris and the TMS undefeated, the difference between him and the moonballer will be around 4000 points, or a calendar-year GS. :haha:

its.like.that
10-28-2006, 05:30 PM
I thought you meant he had won 8000 points over his career.

:p

Johnny Groove
10-28-2006, 05:31 PM
I wonder if anyone cracks 10,000. I'd kill myself then, cause having 10.000 points would mean I've seen enough I don't have anything to live for :D

All 4 slams= 4000
All 9 TMS= 4500
TMC= 750
Tokyo= 250
Dubai= 300
Barcelona= 300
Doha= 250
Basel= 250

10,600 :eek:

neme6
10-28-2006, 05:31 PM
Wow, this record will stay for a little while for sure

Whistleway
10-28-2006, 05:33 PM
Its all but downhill from here on. Defending all these insane points next season is going to :(

tennisgal_001
10-28-2006, 05:33 PM
All 4 slams= 4000
All 9 TMS= 4500
TMC= 750
Tokyo= 250
Dubai= 300
Barcelona= 300
Doha= 250
Basel= 250

10,600 :eek:

Take Barcelona off that list, and you got yourself almost every tourney Federer will potentially play next year and is realistically able to win.

Whistleway
10-28-2006, 05:35 PM
All 4 slams= 4000
All 9 TMS= 4500
TMC= 750
Tokyo= 250
Dubai= 300
Barcelona= 300
Doha= 250
Basel= 250

10,600 :eek:

Federer doesn't do Barcelona. You missed out Halle.

RonE
10-28-2006, 05:35 PM
All 4 slams= 4000
All 9 TMS= 4500
TMC= 750
Tokyo= 250
Dubai= 300
Barcelona= 300
Doha= 250
Basel= 250

10,600 :eek:

Plus add more points if its an Olympic year (can't remember how many points the olympics are worth)

atheneglaukopis
10-28-2006, 05:36 PM
Federer doesn't do Barcelona. You missed out Halle.The question was about the maximum possible points in a season. Barcelona's worth more than Halle points-wise, but of course Federer likes to use Halle as his Wimbledon warm-up.

nobama
10-28-2006, 05:36 PM
Congrats, Roger!:worship: When do TMC points come off?

nobama
10-28-2006, 05:38 PM
Its all but downhill from here on. Defending all these insane points next season is going to :(Well I'd rather be defending all those points than not winning anything at all. :p

Whistleway
10-28-2006, 05:39 PM
Plus add more points if its an Olympic year (can't remember how many points the olympics are worth)

400

Eden
10-28-2006, 05:39 PM
Incredible achievement and one of the most remarkable records in sports :)

buzz
10-28-2006, 05:40 PM
All 4 slams= 4000
All 9 TMS= 4500
TMC= 750
Tokyo= 250
Dubai= 300
Barcelona= 300
Doha= 250
Basel= 250

10,600 :eek:

Well I think Jezusfed will first try to crack the 9000 mark next year;)

Fed-Express
10-28-2006, 05:47 PM
Well everybody who is saying that this record is not going to be broken in a long time - of course it doesn't look as if anybody in the near future could challenge this record but as we all know when Pete won No. 13 and 14 everybody said that this record would stay for a long time and now many state that it was just a matter of time until Roger breaks that record :rolleyes:

These predictions that go further than a year or two are just meaningless. Who knows who will come a long in 4 years, who knows what the youngsters, the 18, 19 20 year olds (including Nadal;)) of today will be like, if they can dominate a season like Roger in 06. You just cannot tell.

And maybe, as Pete once said, there is some 8-year old kid just now out there hitting the ball against a wall (like Borg back then;)), dreaming of playing on Arthur Ashe, or Chatrier who will be hailed as the best ever in 20 years...

neme6
10-28-2006, 05:54 PM
you're right about what people said for Pete's record of 14 GS. But Roger's 8000 points is so close to perfection that it's hard to imagine someone beating it

Fedex
10-28-2006, 06:01 PM
You mean guaranteed 8000 by end of season, even if he looses everything in Shangai, or only currently 8000? Does he have a chance to break 9000 by end of season?

Its only currently 8,000 and I do think he has a chance to pass the 9000 mark if he wins Basel tomorrow, wins Paris and wins Shanghai undefeated, but I'm not sure. I'll have to check.

buzz
10-28-2006, 06:05 PM
Its only currently 8,000 and I do think he has a chance to pass the 9000 mark if he wins Basel tomorrow, wins Paris and wins Shanghai undefeated, but I'm not sure. I'll have to check.

no he doesn't the calculations are already done a few pages back;)

Fed-Express
10-28-2006, 06:07 PM
Come on, when he won W in 2000 Agassi had 6 and nobody else in Sampras' generation was closer to him. Borg with 11 was the youngest of the guys even near to him, born in 1956. We had every right to think that his record might easily remain unbroken for at least 20 years. Well, it still isn't and there is way to go for Mr. Federer :devil:;)

Fed-Express
10-28-2006, 06:13 PM
Its only currently 8,000 and I do think he has a chance to pass the 9000 mark if he wins Basel tomorrow, wins Paris and wins Shanghai undefeated, but I'm not sure. I'll have to check.
Since Federer has only finals and wins this is what he needs:

To get to 9k he'd have to win: Basel, Paris, TMC - Doha, AO, Dubai (there is no point in playing Rotterdam bc of the 5 tournament rule), Indian Wells, Miami and Monte Carlo.

He would gain 90 in Dubai, taking him to 8960 and of course 150 in MC, with a total of 9110.

That would mean that he'd have to win 46 more matches. I quite frankly doubt that he will make it.

Adler
10-28-2006, 06:21 PM
All 4 slams= 4000
All 9 TMS= 4500
TMC= 750
Tokyo= 250
Dubai= 300
Barcelona= 300
Doha= 250
Basel= 250

10,600 :eek:
add Indianapolis, Rotterdam, Halle & Bangkok and you'll have even more

landoud
10-28-2006, 06:21 PM
Simply amazing :worship:

pigbrain
10-28-2006, 06:22 PM
well done roger

buzz
10-28-2006, 06:25 PM
add Indianapolis, Rotterdam, Halle & Bangkok and you'll have even more

nope 5 tournament rule. means only your best 5 tournaments other than grand slams, master series, master cup and olympics count for the ranking.

atheneglaukopis
10-28-2006, 06:25 PM
add Indianapolis, Rotterdam, Halle & Bangkok and you'll have even moreNo, those would go into his non-countable tournaments.

tennisgal_001
10-28-2006, 06:28 PM
Well everybody who is saying that this record is not going to be broken in a long time - of course it doesn't look as if anybody in the near future could challenge this record but as we all know when Pete won No. 13 and 14 everybody said that this record would stay for a long time and now many state that it was just a matter of time until Roger breaks that record :rolleyes:

These predictions that go further than a year or two are just meaningless. Who knows who will come a long in 4 years, who knows what the youngsters, the 18, 19 20 year olds (including Nadal;)) of today will be like, if they can dominate a season like Roger in 06. You just cannot tell.

And maybe, as Pete once said, there is some 8-year old kid just now out there hitting the ball against a wall (like Borg back then;)), dreaming of playing on Arthur Ashe, or Chatrier who will be hailed as the best ever in 20 years...

20 years IS a long time :p

Fed-Express
10-28-2006, 06:31 PM
Ok, let him be 16 years old and the wall some high-profile tennis coaching academy ;)

tennisgal_001
10-28-2006, 06:33 PM
Ok, let him be 16 years old and the wall some high-profile tennis coaching academy ;)

:lol:
Can't wait...

Neely
10-28-2006, 06:34 PM
before the reformation of the point system:
3 Grand Slams + 4 Super9 = ~3800 points
after:
3 Grand Slams + 4 TMS = 5000 points

That's one reason why Federer reached this historic mark. The other reason is that Federer is such a successful player.

But I guess, had the point system been always the same, probably only Wilander from 1988 would have had a chance to challenge this with 2 Masters and 3 Grand Slams (and a QF). Even that would not have been enough because he was not good enough in all other events. And Connors from 1974 with three Slams would have been also not good enough because he didn't win much else. So apart from winning all four Grand Slam titles, this would be the best season ever.

This mark which will unlikely be broken by somebody else soon or maybe ever because winning three Grand Slams and so many TMS doesn't happen all the time. So it will stand for a while, unless they change the system again soon.

Fed-Express
10-28-2006, 06:39 PM
before the reformation of the point system:
3 Grand Slams + 4 Super9 = ~3800 points
after:
3 Grand Slams + 4 TMS = 5000 points


I am sure the REAL tennis stats guru NYCtennisfan (and not that sharky guy from the ATP) can provide us with information on how many points Wilander and Connors would have had with the current point system ;)

Neely
10-28-2006, 06:40 PM
Plus add more points if its an Olympic year (can't remember how many points the olympics are worth)
400 or even 450 if you win it, but at least worth much more than the highest International Series Gold tournament.

Skyward
10-28-2006, 06:41 PM
before the reformation of the point system:
3 Grand Slams + 4 Super9 = ~3800 points


What about bonus points?

Fedex
10-28-2006, 06:43 PM
Since Federer has only finals and wins this is what he needs:

To get to 9k he'd have to win: Basel, Paris, TMC - Doha, AO, Dubai (there is no point in playing Rotterdam bc of the 5 tournament rule), Indian Wells, Miami and Monte Carlo.

He would gain 90 in Dubai, taking him to 8960 and of course 150 in MC, with a total of 9110.

That would mean that he'd have to win 46 more matches. I quite frankly doubt that he will make it.
Ok so in other words, no chance. :yeah:

neenah
10-28-2006, 06:45 PM
Very impressive, Federer :D

Fed-Express
10-28-2006, 06:51 PM
Ok so in other words, no chance. :yeah:

Yes, it seems rather unlikely ;) But there is no predicting the Federer-Express.
Great nick by the way;)

Neely
10-28-2006, 06:52 PM
I am sure the REAL tennis stats guru NYCtennisfan (and not that sharky guy from the ATP) can provide us with information on how many points Wilander and Connors would have had with the current point system ;)
I'm sure NYCT can do that ;) but for now, I just played a little mind game in theory selecting a few guys that won at least three Grand Slams each year. But even Wilander would have not come close to Federer's mark because he only played 13 tournaments (I hope I didn't make an error) in 1988 which is already about as much as Federer won(will win) titles this year. It would not have been enough, never. Maybe Laver with his four Grand Slams would have had a chance if the schedule was similiar to today :p

Neely
10-28-2006, 06:58 PM
What about bonus points?
Yeah true, that's a weakness in my calculation because you could add quite a few points if you had high ranked opponents in your way. Depending upon the difficulty of your draw, you probably could make close to 1000 points if you had the #2, the #3 and other high-ranked players in your way in a Slam.

mrserenawilliams
10-28-2006, 09:12 PM
he really is incredible

NYCtennisfan
10-28-2006, 10:12 PM
I am sure the REAL tennis stats guru NYCtennisfan (and not that sharky guy from the ATP) can provide us with information on how many points Wilander and Connors would have had with the current point system ;)

:)

I started on this a while back and abandoned it when I got busy with traveling, but suffice it to say, no matter what point system is being used, this year of Fed's would mark the highest point total in ATP history. The only other year that comes close would be JMAC's 1984 which would probably be equivalent if he had played 4 Slams, but that is kind of a moot point because even if he had played the 4th slam i.e. the Australian Open, it wasn't a "competitive" slam then and would be hard to equate to today's Australian Open.

The other thing would be that there were no TMS events at the time of course so I created a valuation system for the events of that time based upon the participation of the top players entered in the tournament. There were a few tournaments where a lot of the top players were entered, but there was nothing like TMS events where the top 64 or 48 players were entered. Interestingly enough, JMAC lost the finals of RG (like Fed), lost his first match in Cincy (Fed lost his second match), and lost a DC match.

JMAC would be around 7000 points, Vilas would be around 7000 (only won one match at the TMC, no Wimby),Lendl of 1986 would be around 6000-6500 (that's without the AO since it wasn't played that year) Sampras of 1994 would be around 5500-6000, Connors of 1974 would be around 5500-6000, and Wilander in 1988 would be around 5000-5500 points (he didn't win enough outside of the slams and didn't particularly care much I think),

buddyholly
10-28-2006, 10:58 PM
Has anyone noticed the uncanny relation between the DOW and Federer's ranking points? DOW=FedX1.5 Buy stocks now. This time next year you could be rich.

Björki
10-28-2006, 11:51 PM
congrats Roger :yeah:

Asmus
10-28-2006, 11:57 PM
Awesome, yet again

TennisGrandSlam
10-29-2006, 12:02 AM
7870 + 250 (Basel Win) + 500 (Paris Win) + 250 (Shanghai undefeated)

8870.


He should withdraw from AMS Pairs. :o

Asmus
10-29-2006, 12:04 AM
No kidding... of course he didn't need to play Tokyo, Madrid or Basel either...

lunahielo
10-29-2006, 05:20 AM
phenomenal

Art&Soul
10-29-2006, 05:28 AM
:worship: :worship: :worship: ROGER :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

mandoura
10-29-2006, 06:18 AM
:worship: Roger.

As Dirk said, couldn't happen to a nicer guy. :)

Jaffas85
10-29-2006, 06:33 AM
Assuming he wins Paris and the TMC undefeated he could theoretically still have a fighting chance of retaining his #1 ranking even if he lost in the first round of every Grand Slam in 2007?

That should tell you that he's not going away from the #1 spot for at least 2 - 3 years.

buzz
10-29-2006, 02:07 PM
I was just thinking, Did he realy officially reach the 8000 mark because the new rankings monday wil be plublished without mastercup points????

Not sure but it seems to me that we can start the whole thread again in a week or maybe three

Bagelicious
10-29-2006, 03:19 PM
Roger! :banana: :worship: :D

Pfloyd
10-29-2006, 04:32 PM
Wow.

This is the definition of dominance.

The other youngsters better step it up soon.

Daniel
10-29-2006, 09:44 PM
GRande Roger :worship: :yeah: :D

nobama
10-29-2006, 11:17 PM
Not sure how Nadal made this graph as he's never been #1. :scratch:

http://www.tennis28.com/charts/No1_Players.GIF

TenHound
10-30-2006, 01:24 AM
Not bad for a guy who's not even the Best of His Generation... :) :)

oz_boz
10-30-2006, 08:16 AM
8120 :eek: :woohoo:

There's not enough room for Fed in the graph :lol:

Roger :worship:

The gap to number 2 must be the biggest in history too: 8120-4270=3850 :eek: Fed's slam result sum up to 3700 this year, he could have skipped all of them and still be #1 :rolls:

Sunny_Boy
10-30-2006, 08:36 AM
This shows what a great champion Federer is!
Well done!

dorkino
10-30-2006, 08:46 AM
And playing elegant tennis...:hatoff:

yanchr
10-30-2006, 09:41 AM
Titles, points, and beautiful tennis, he has them all. Perfection is the word.

trickcy
10-30-2006, 10:32 AM
8120 :eek: :woohoo:

There's not enough room for Fed in the graph :lol:

Roger :worship:

The gap to number 2 must be the biggest in history too: 8120-4270=3850 :eek: Fed's slam result sum up to 3700 this year, he could have skipped all of them and still be #1 :rolls:

:worship: :worship: That's just ridiculously great!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

Katastrophe
10-30-2006, 02:31 PM
En fuego...Roger never ceases to amaze!:worship:

Sunset of Age
10-30-2006, 03:07 PM
Titles, points, and beautiful tennis, he has them all. Perfection is the word.

And not to be forgotten, a gracious, nice and pretty guy to match! :worship:

Rogelio = GOAT.

Beat
10-31-2006, 09:37 AM
:worship: what else can i say?

Fed-Express
10-31-2006, 09:57 AM
I am not sure whether this has been mentioned but since it was all over CNN. Roger has passed the mark of 1000 days at #1. To the next 1000 days, cheers!