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Murray wary of recall for Henman

alfonsojose
10-25-2006, 08:11 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/6085414.stm
If Tim wants to play I would love him to be in the team but this might be a good time for some of the young guys to step up and be counted

TennisMan85
10-25-2006, 08:19 PM
what an arrogant guy...

Trivial
10-25-2006, 08:19 PM
I agree with Murrays opinion that younger, promising players should be given a chance to prove themselves at the highest level but it would be such a shame to miss out on such a rich vain of form that Henman is showing at the moment. The only issue that i have with Murray's argument is that so far the younger guys havent reallly proven themselves, i.e Bogdanovic: His attitude constanly proves to be his achilles heal, Delgado: Lacks the power and hasnt looked all that great when he has played doubles, Baker: Played once and lost, but maybe will improve with more oppertunities. There are a couple of other players that i would like to see given a chance in this next tie, Goodall and Bloomfield most notably, who have both been impressive as of late.

I would like to see Henman come in to play the second singles rubber however i do believe that one of our up and coming doubles pairings has to be given an outing, that could be Murray/Murray or Auckland/Delgado or Bloomfield.

musefanatic
10-25-2006, 08:24 PM
Erm, i think Andy Murray's kinda missing the point here, we have no other up and comings at the moment. Lets face it, we've got him who gets injured more times than i have hot dinners, Boggo that daren't play for his country until just recently, Parmar who's not the best and Delgado, well less said about him the better. Also Greg who's near retirement.

To be honest, we need Tim back, i was shocked when he first announced he was quiting and then was shocked to hear he'd llike to come back, and at first called him a hypocrite. But if he feels he wants to play for his country, let him, i think Andy just doesn't want to be pushed down to second now that he is kinda like the team leader. maybe i have this all wrong, i mean i'm a Murray fan for gods sake but his attitude stinks sometimes.

For the Davis Cup team, i hope Tim does come back.

Ernham
10-25-2006, 08:27 PM
I agree with Murray's points, too. The problem seems to stem from the delivery, which basically boils down to "don't invite that old geezer back".

Ceri
10-25-2006, 08:39 PM
Murray certainly isn't the best at being diplomatic...and to be honest I think he's talking rubbish...tim's experienced, adept, and healthy right now,murray might be starting out on his career but no reason to kick the older players out of a team that needs tim's talents.

revolution
10-25-2006, 08:41 PM
Aside from Andy, the current crop of British youngsters are nowhere near good enough at all and certainly wouldn't be around anymore if they were from another country where they have a competent tennis association. LTA is a joke.

LK_22
10-25-2006, 11:04 PM
Let's not forget about Greg. The only reason why he hasn't retired yet is because he wants to play and win the next Davis Cup match at home.

I think the LTA are right to try and use Henman again, even if just for a couple of ties :)

stuey87
10-26-2006, 12:50 AM
Murray would have a point if there were any real quality youngsters who couldn't get in the team.
:lol: at whoever said Delgado's a youngster!
Bloomfield wouldn't beat Haase or Sluiter in singles and nor would Goodall to be frank. A fit Henman would.
Andy should be campaigning more for his brother to be playing davis cup doubles than worrying about Henman, perhaps Jamie Murray/Auckland: untried but at least specialist :shrug:

scoobs
10-26-2006, 01:28 AM
I see Murray's point and he's talking about trying to build a young team that will be together for the long haul in DC - not has-beens like Delgado and Parmar but some of the kids coming up just behind Murray - they may prove to be no better than players like Parmar and Delgado but we already know that these guys are busted flushes.

Murray's suggesting we take the pain of some tough times now to try and bring on the youngsters who will still be playing in 5 year's time rather than exhuming Henman for...what? A stop-gap measure at best to win us the odd tie here or there?

I'm just not sure I see the point of getting Henman back - it's not like that's going to take us back into the World Group and into contention, really. Let's be serious.

stuey87
10-26-2006, 01:39 AM
I see Murray's point and he's talking about trying to build a young team that will be together for the long haul in DC - not has-beens like Delgado and Parmar but some of the kids coming up just behind Murray - they may prove to be no better than players like Parmar and Delgado but we already know that these guys are busted flushes.

Murray's suggesting we take the pain of some tough times now to try and bring on the youngsters who will still be playing in 5 year's time rather than exhuming Henman for...what? A stop-gap measure at best to win us the odd tie here or there?

I'm just not sure I see the point of getting Henman back - it's not like that's going to take us back into the World Group and into contention, really. Let's be serious.

I appreciate the long term aspect of Murray's argument, but until the youngsters he's talking about do something really of note I don't see why they, when scrounging for ranking points with the odd decent challenger performance, should get pride of place ahead of Henman who's in good form and on the way up again, irrespective of his age, if he wants to return to Davis Cup.
A stop gap measure it may be - but if it ensures a victory over the Netherlands to go back to the world group, and maybe then a first round win over a weaker world group side because Tim can be relied upon to win the odd rubber here and there with Murray still doing the lion's share of the work then great. (Being serious, I do think it's far more likely Tim will bring us back into the world group. He will beat Sluiter and Haase 9 times out of 10, Bloomfield, "I don't want Davis cup duty if I'm not going to play a live rubber" Goodall are 3 or 4 out of 10 times at best.)
In that best case scenario, once relegation has been staved off until 2009 at the earliest, then bring in the youngsters who by then should have developed more and got higher up the rankings to take over when Tim does retire.
Yes thats a best case scenario, but on the other hand what's the difference between Tim losing rubbers in the here and now and youngsters? Valuable experience for the youngsters? Experience of losing, something Brits are good enough at anyway, whereas to Tim it won't be that big a setback with retirement beckoning soon enough anyway.

its.like.that
10-26-2006, 02:35 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/6085414.stm
If Tim wants to play I would love him to be in the team but this might be a good time for some of the young guys to step up and be counted

:retard:

what young guys?

JOHNOTHAN MARRAY? :haha:

Hennerz has done far more than Murray ever will...

Murray should shut his ugly mouth. ;)

jole
10-26-2006, 02:46 AM
Davidsherwoodforest4lyfelol.

its.like.that
10-26-2006, 02:55 AM
Davidsherwoodforest4lyfelol.

Knocking off Ricardo Mello in straight sets is the highlight of his life.

jole
10-26-2006, 03:05 AM
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40839000/jpg/_40839052_sherwoodserve_getty300.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40839000/jpg/_40839052_sherwoodserve_getty300.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40839000/jpg/_40839052_sherwoodserve_getty300.jpg

I'm SAD to report that I use the same racquet as stud-dood Dahveed. :help:

its.like.that
10-26-2006, 03:09 AM
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40839000/jpg/_40839052_sherwoodserve_getty300.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40839000/jpg/_40839052_sherwoodserve_getty300.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40839000/jpg/_40839052_sherwoodserve_getty300.jpg

I'm SAD to report that I use the same racquet as stud-dood Dahveed. :help:

Appearances can be deceiving, players don't always use the racquet they advertise.

But in this case I would doubt that mr robin hood has his racquet camouflaged.

jole
10-26-2006, 03:19 AM
Appearances can be deceiving, players don't always use the racquet they advertise.

But in this case I would doubt that mr robin hood has his racquet camouflaged.

He's fortunate to have a deal. ;)

its.like.that
10-26-2006, 03:22 AM
He's fortunate to have a deal. ;)

Get one of the older Dunlops - they look better.

Either the 200G or 300G (like Berdych).

jole
10-26-2006, 03:28 AM
Get one of the older Dunlops - they look better.

Either the 200G or 300G (like Berdych).

I started with them when I was like 11 and I still have two from the Wayne Ferreira paint job. Muscle Weave, Hot Melt, etc. too. :p

They are all pretty much the same, must different paint.

its.like.that
10-26-2006, 03:30 AM
I started with them when I was like 11 and I still have two from the Wayne Ferreira paint job. Muscle Weave, Hot Melt, etc. too. :p

They are all pretty much the same, must different paint.

Yep.

But what matters is which looks the coolest.

jole
10-26-2006, 03:35 AM
Yep.

But what matters is which looks the coolest.

I don't like my black and yellows. :sad:

its.like.that
10-26-2006, 03:55 AM
I don't like my black and yellows. :sad:

really?

I still play with one. :p

jole
10-26-2006, 03:58 AM
really?

I still play with one. :p

I hit well with it, I just prefer the color blue. :D

But when I picture Sherwood and Rusedski using that racquet I cannot lie, it sucks.

PamV
10-26-2006, 03:58 AM
I agree with Murray's points, too. The problem seems to stem from the delivery, which basically boils down to "don't invite that old geezer back".

But what other young players are there who are better than Tim except for Murray himself ? From that standpoint the comment doesn't make sense.

UncleZeke
10-26-2006, 04:39 AM
Guess it comes down to "an attempt for a quick fix now" vs "to Hell with an attempt at mediocrity at best now, let's make some changes that could pay real dividends in the not too distant future". Wonder what Brad Gilbert is thinking. Bet he has a better handle on it than any of us ..