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Top 10 players facing each other

krakenzero
10-23-2006, 07:51 PM
ROGER FEDERER
2-6 Nadal
7-6 Nalbandian
10-3 Ljubicic
11-1 Roddick
8-0 Davydenko
8-0 Gonzalez
6-0 Robredo
5-0 Blake
4-1 Berdych
-------
61-17 (+44)

RAFAEL NADAL
6-2 Federer
0-0 Nalbandian
3-1 Ljubicic
1-1 Roddick
0-0 Davydenko
1-2 Gonzalez
3-0 Robredo
0-2 Blake
1-3 Berdych
-------
15-11 (+4)

DAVID NALBANDIAN
6-7 Federer
0-0 Nadal
2-3 Ljubicic
1-3 Roddick
4-2 Davydenko
6-3 Gonzalez
3-2 Robredo
0-0 Blake
2-1 Berdych
-------
24-21 (+3)

IVAN LJUBICIC
3-10 Federer
1-3 Nadal
3-2 Nalbandian
3-5 Roddick
2-2 Davydenko
4-3 Gonzalez
4-1 Robredo
4-1 Blake
2-1 Berdych
-------
26-28 (-2)

ANDY RODDICK
1-11 Federer
1-1 Nadal
3-1 Nalbandian
5-3 Ljubicic
4-0 Davydenko
6-3 Gonzalez
7-0 Robredo
6-2 Blake
0-1 Berdych
-------
33-22 (+11)

NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO
0-8 Federer
0-0 Nadal
2-4 Nalbandian
2-2 Ljubicic
0-4 Roddick
3-0 Gonzalez
1-1 Robredo
0-4 Blake
4-0 Berdych
-------
12-23 (-11)

FERNANDO GONZALEZ
0-8 Federer
2-1 Nadal
3-6 Nalbandian
3-4 Ljubicic
3-6 Roddick
0-3 Davydenko
2-2 Robredo
3-3 Blake
3-0 Berdych
-------
19-33 (-14)

TOMMY ROBREDO
0-6 Federer
0-3 Nadal
2-3 Nalbandian
1-4 Ljubicic
0-7 Roddick
1-1 Davydenko
2-2 Gonzalez
1-3 Blake
1-1 Berdych
-------
8-30 (-22)

JAMES BLAKE
0-5 Federer
2-0 Nadal
0-0 Nalbandian
1-4 Ljubicic
2-6 Roddick
4-0 Davydenko
3-3 Gonzalez
3-1 Robredo
2-0 Berdych
-------
17-19 (-2)

TOMAS BERDYCH
1-4 Federer
3-1 Nadal
1-2 Nalbandian
1-2 Ljubicic
1-0 Roddick
0-4 Davydenko
0-3 Gonzalez
1-1 Robredo
0-2 Blake
-------
8-19 (-11)

also... MARCOS BAGHDATIS
0-4 Federer
0-2 Nadal
2-1 Nalbandian
2-0 Ljubicic
1-1 Roddick
0-1 Davydenko
0-1 Gonzalez
1-0 Robredo
0-0 Blake
1-0 Berdych
-------
7-10 (-3... not bad)

Garlichead
10-23-2006, 07:53 PM
lol
Tommy Robredo is 8-30

krakenzero
10-23-2006, 08:06 PM
About top 10 matches:

"Played" Ranking:
1) Federer 78
2) Roddick 55
3) Ljubicic 54
4) Gonzalez 52
5) Nalbandian 45
6) Robredo 38
7) Blake 36
8) Davydenko 35
9) Berdych 27
10) Nadal 24

"Won" Ranking:
1) Federer 61
2) Roddick 33
3) Ljubicic 26
4) Nalbandian 24
5) Gonzalez 19
6) Blake 17
7) Nadal 15
8) Davydenko 12
9) Robredo 8
9) Berdych 8

"Lost" Ranking:
1) Nadal 11
2) Federer 17
3) Blake 19
3) Berdych 19
5) Nalbandian 21
6) Roddick 22
7) Davydenko 23
8) Ljubicic 28
9) Robredo 30
10) Gonzalez 33

"Won/Played" Ranking:
1) Federer 78,2%
2) Roddick 60%
3) Nadal 57,7%
4) Nalbandian 53,3%
5) Ljubicic 48,1%
6) Blake 47,2%
7) Gonzalez 36,5%
8) Davydenko 34,3%
9) Berdych 29,6%
10) Robredo 21,1%

ExcaliburII
10-23-2006, 08:10 PM
nice statistics. Davydenko sucks.

El Legenda
10-23-2006, 08:12 PM
Take off all the matches vs Roger and lets see the rankings :lol:

zicofirol
10-23-2006, 08:12 PM
lol
Tommy Robredo is 8-30

yup, most undeserving top 10 he is the ATP tournament whore #2 besides Davydenko.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-23-2006, 08:13 PM
fantastic stats

DrJules
10-23-2006, 08:16 PM
About top 10 matches:

"Played" Ranking:
1) Federer 78
2) Roddick 55
3) Ljubicic 54
4) Gonzalez 52
5) Nalbandian 45
6) Robredo 38
7) Blake 36
8) Davydenko 35
9) Berdych 27
10) Nadal 24

"Won" Ranking:
1) Federer 61
2) Roddick 33
3) Ljubicic 26
4) Nalbandian 24
5) Gonzalez 19
6) Blake 17
7) Nadal 15
8) Davydenko 12
9) Robredo 8
9) Berdych 8

"Lost" Ranking:
1) Nadal 11
2) Federer 17
3) Blake 19
3) Berdych 19
5) Nalbandian 21
6) Roddick 22
7) Davydenko 23
8) Ljubicic 28
9) Robredo 30
10) Gonzalez 33

"Won/Played" Ranking:
1) Federer 78,2%
2) Roddick 60%
3) Nadal 57,7%
4) Nalbandian 53,3%
5) Ljubicic 48,1%
6) Blake 47,2%
7) Gonzalez 36,5%
8) Davydenko 34,3%
9) Berdych 29,6%
10) Robredo 21,1%

Not good if he reaches year end masters.

That tennis kid
10-23-2006, 08:32 PM
lol
Tommy Robredo is 8-30

5 of Robredo’s 8 wins have been on clay.
Without results on clay Robredo is 3-21 (12.5%)

Take off all the matches vs Roger and lets see the rankings :lol:

Without Federer:

Nadal is 9-9
Nalbandian is 18-14
Ljubicic is 23-18
Roddick is 32-11
Davydenko is 12-15
Gonzalez is 19-25
Robredo is 8-24
Blake is 17-14
Berdych is 7-15
Baghdatis is 7-6

Deboogle!.
10-23-2006, 08:33 PM
Without Federer:

Nadal is 9-9
Nalbandian is 18-14
Ljubicic is 23-18
Roddick is 32-11
Davydenko is 12-15
Gonzalez is 19-25
Robredo is 8-24
Blake is 17-14
Berdych is 7-15
Baghdatis is 7-6very interesting. very interesting indeed.

El Legenda
10-23-2006, 08:46 PM
why stop there...how about this...Since start of 2005-present without Federer

:wavey:

That tennis kid
10-23-2006, 08:49 PM
Federer by Surface

Clay (11-6, 64.7%)
Nadal.........0-4
Nalbandian..2-1
Ljubicic......0-1
Roddick......0-0
Davydenko..1-0
Gonzalez.....4-0
Robredo......2-0
Blake..........0-0
Berdych......2-0

Hard (38-8, 82.6%)

Nadal.........1-2
Nalbandian..4-3
Ljubicic......9-1
Roddick......6-1
Davydenko..6-0
Gonzalez.....3-0
Robredo......4-0
Blake..........5-0
Berdych......0-1

On Grass (7-0, 100%)

Nadal.........1-0
Nalbandian..0-0
Ljubicic......0-0
Roddick......3-0
Davydenko..0-0
Gonzalez.....1-0
Robredo......0-0
Blake..........0-0
Berdych......2-0

On Carpet (5-3, 62.5%)

Nadal.........0-0
Nalbandian..1-2
Ljubicic......1-1
Roddick......2-0
Davydenko..1-0
Gonzalez.....0-0
Robredo......0-0
Blake..........0-0
Berdych......0-0

El Legenda
10-23-2006, 08:51 PM
Ljubicic owns Federer on Clay :rocker2: ;)

Winston's Human
10-23-2006, 09:09 PM
Without Federer:

Nadal is 9-9
Nalbandian is 18-14
Ljubicic is 23-18
Roddick is 32-11
Davydenko is 12-15
Gonzalez is 19-25
Robredo is 8-24
Blake is 17-14
Berdych is 7-15
Baghdatis is 7-6

How shocking given the conventional wisdom here in GM that Roddick never wins against the other top 10 players!

El Legenda
10-23-2006, 09:15 PM
How shocking given the conventional wisdom here in GM that Roddick never wins against the other top 10 players!

the top 10(or 5-10) keeps changing all the time...:lol: at one point of the season Ljubicic had like 35wins vs top 10 :lol:

Roddick is 0-4 in matches this year vs player that were in top 10 during the time of the match :wavey:

Ljubicic is 4-6 :wavey:

Deboogle!.
10-23-2006, 09:16 PM
Roddick is 0-4 in matches this year vs player that were in top 10 during the time of the match :wavey:

Ljubicic is 4-6 :wavey:Roddick having his worst year on tour, Ljubicic one of his best :wavey:

El Legenda
10-23-2006, 09:18 PM
Roddick having his worst year on tour, Ljubicic one of his best :wavey:

which proves my point...roddick sucks :kiss:

he was 1-5 last year...(win vs Hewitt :lol: )

Voo de Mar
10-23-2006, 09:27 PM
Nice thread.
Robredo -22 :lol: What's he doing in Top 10 :confused:

That tennis kid
10-23-2006, 09:28 PM
the top 10(or 5-10) keeps changing all the time...:lol: at one point of the season Ljubicic had like 35wins vs top 10 :lol:

Roddick is 0-4 in matches this year vs player that were in top 10 during the time of the match :wavey:

Ljubicic is 4-6 :wavey:

Quite true. Roddick's total is helped by the presence of his pigeon Robredo and to a lesser extent Gonzalez. Robredo hadn't been top 10 before Hamburg, while Gonzalez has been going in and out for most of the year.

That tennis kid
10-23-2006, 09:48 PM
which proves my point...roddick sucks :kiss:

he was 1-5 last year...(win vs Hewitt :lol: )

Lots of evidence to support Roddick being better than Ljubicic to be found here (http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Roddick%2C+Andy&player2=Ljubicic%2C+Ivan)

5/3 head-to-head and 14-8 in sets in favour of Roddick.
Roddick has a grand slam and three grand slam finals and three grand slam semi-finals. Ljubicic has one grand slam semi-final.
Roddick is 70-23 at grand slams, Ljubicic is 26-29.

Roddick has 4 Master Series, Ljubicic has 0. Both have been finalists 3 times.
Roddick has won 21 tournaments out of 32 finals. Ljubicic has won 6 of 14.

Roddick has a career record of 355-112. Ljubicic is 279-186.
Roddick has four top-ten year rankings. Ljubicic has one.

Roddick has been world number one for 13 weeks. Ljubicic has never been world number one.

NYCtennisfan
10-23-2006, 10:14 PM
Good thread. Another interesting stat is how the
players do when they play a player that is ranked in
the top 10 when they played their match. +10 against
top 10 competition is really good. The majority of players (even top players) hover around the .500 mark and get to +5 if they have done well in big matches. As for +41...there really are no words to describe +41.



Federer:…………....12-4 (2006), 15-3 (2005), 21-0 (2004 + 2003 TMC)
Nadal:…………………..8-1 (2006), 5-3 (2005), 2-2 (2004)
Naldbandian:….......2-6 (2006), 6-3 (2005), 0-4 (2004)
Ivan:……………………..4-5 (2006), 8-7 (2005), 1-6 (2004)
Roddick:……………....0-4 (2006), 2-5 (2005), 6-7 (2004)
Davydenko…………...0-5 (2006), 5-8 (2005), 2-4 (2004)
Gonzalez……………...4-8 (2006), 2-9 (2005), 2-4 (2004)
Robredo………………..3-3 (2006), 4-7 (2005), 1-8 (2004)
Blake……………………..4-5 (2006), 1-6 (2005)
Berdych………………...5-7 (2006), 2-8 (2005), 1-1 (2004)

So, in the last three years:

Federer:……….....48-7
Nadal:……………...15-6
Nalbandian:.......8-13
Ivan:……………...12-18
Roddick:……….....8-16
Davydenko:….....7-17
Gonzalez:…….....8-21
Robredo:………....8-18
Blake:……………....5-11
Berdych:………....8-16

OUT OF THE TOP 10

Hewitt:…………13-16
Agassi:…………..9-10
Safin:…………..16-19

El Legenda
10-23-2006, 10:17 PM
Lots of evidence to support Roddick being better than Ljubicic to be found here (http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Roddick%2C+Andy&player2=Ljubicic%2C+Ivan)

5/3 head-to-head and 14-8 in sets in favour of Roddick.
Roddick has a grand slam and three grand slam finals and three grand slam semi-finals. Ljubicic has one grand slam semi-final.
Roddick is 70-23 at grand slams, Ljubicic is 26-29.

Roddick has 4 Master Series, Ljubicic has 0. Both have been finalists 3 times.
Roddick has won 21 tournaments out of 32 finals. Ljubicic has won 6 of 14.

Roddick has a career record of 355-112. Ljubicic is 279-186.
Roddick has four top-ten year rankings. Ljubicic has one.

Roddick has been world number one for 13 weeks. Ljubicic has never been world number one.

quit living in the past :wavey:

El Legenda
10-23-2006, 10:19 PM
Good thread. Another interesting stat is how the
players do when they play a player that is ranked in
the top 10 when they played their match. +10 against
top 10 competition is really good. The majority of players (even top players) hover around the .500 mark and get to +5 if they have done well in big matches. As for +41...there really are no words to describe +41.



Federer:…………....12-4 (2006), 15-3 (2005), 21-0 (2004 + 2003 TMC)
Nadal:…………………..8-1 (2006), 5-3 (2005), 2-2 (2004)
Naldbandian:….......2-6 (2006), 6-3 (2005), 0-4 (2004)
Ivan:……………………..4-5 (2006), 8-7 (2005), 1-6 (2004)
Roddick:……………....0-4 (2006), 2-5 (2005), 6-7 (2004)
Davydenko…………...0-5 (2006), 5-8 (2005), 2-4 (2004)
Gonzalez……………...4-8 (2006), 2-9 (2005), 2-4 (2004)
Robredo………………..3-3 (2006), 4-7 (2005), 1-8 (2004)
Blake……………………..4-5 (2006), 1-6 (2005)
Berdych………………...5-7 (2006), 2-8 (2005), 1-1 (2004)

So, in the last three years:

Federer:……….....48-7
Nadal:……………...15-6
Nalbandian:.......8-13
Ivan:……………...12-18
Roddick:……….....8-16
Davydenko:….....7-17
Gonzalez:…….....8-21
Robredo:………....8-18
Blake:……………....5-11
Berdych:………....8-16

OUT OF THE TOP 10

Hewitt:…………13-16
Agassi:…………..9-10
Safin:…………..16-19


how many times did Ljubicic lose to Roger in 2005 and 2006..7?

NYCtennisfan
10-23-2006, 10:21 PM
Lendl from 1985-1987:

60-10 :eek:

NYCtennisfan
10-23-2006, 10:23 PM
how many times did Ljubicic lose to Roger in 2005 and 2006..7?

Yup, 7 times. He is 12-11 against players ranked in the top 10 at the time of the match against players other than Roger.

PamV
10-23-2006, 10:30 PM
Take off all the matches vs Roger and lets see the rankings :lol:

I was going to say that the final number can be dependent on the luck of the draw as far as how many times they drew an opponent that they match up badly with.

NYCtennisfan
10-23-2006, 10:32 PM
Sampras from the 1992 World Championships until the end of 1998

16-7
14-5
13-7
13-5
9-1
5-3

70-28 overall

Purple Rainbow
10-23-2006, 10:36 PM
How shocking given the conventional wisdom here in GM that Roddick never wins against the other top 10 players!

That's not conventional wisdom. These stats inlcude matches when players were not in the top 10.
See NYCtennisfans stats for Roddicks record against top 10 players.

Winston's Human
10-23-2006, 10:37 PM
quit living in the past :wavey:

All right, let us look at 2006 for best performances in a grand slam and a masters tournament.

Roddick: One slam final and one masters tournament victory.

Ljubicic: One slam semi-final and one masters tournament final.

El Legenda
10-23-2006, 10:45 PM
All right, let us look at 2006 for best performances in a grand slam and a masters tournament.

Roddick: One slam final and one masters tournament victory.

Ljubicic: One slam semi-final and one masters tournament final.

did you know that pts from other tournys count :wavey:

~*BGT*~
10-23-2006, 10:59 PM
did you know that pts from other tournys count :wavey:

Yeah, but people don't consider how many piss-poor tier 1000's you win when they consider if, at the end of your career, you lived up to your potential and you were great. The look at slam wins (Roddick-1, Ljube-0), slam finals (Roddick-4, Ljube-0), TMS wins (Roddick-4, Ljube-0), TMC qualifications (Roddick-3, Ljube- 1), if and how long you were number one (Roddick-13 weeks, Ljube- :lol: )

Ljube can continue to win baby tournies like Vienna or Chennai because Andy's won 5 of what Ljube won't ever win. :wavey:

Jlee
10-23-2006, 11:04 PM
did you know that pts from other tournys count :wavey:

:spit: Did you know that they mean squat next to MS and slams? :wavey:

MisterQ
10-23-2006, 11:12 PM
Roddick's numbers are quite good! (especially if you remove Federer :lol: )

~*BGT*~
10-23-2006, 11:18 PM
:spit: Did you know that they mean squat next to MS and slams? :wavey:

:lol: Exactly. :lol:

mrserenawilliams
10-23-2006, 11:23 PM
Blake's numbers are great too for those who say hey SUCKS :ras: suck on THAT. even with a 0-5 H2H Against Fed, he's only -2 against Top 10! :bounce:

Deboogle!.
10-23-2006, 11:53 PM
quit living in the past :wavey:quit living in a dream world where Ljubicic accomplishes more than Roddick. Ljubicic has by his standards a great year and Roddick by his standards a horrific one, and they are still almost even in the rankings :bigwave:

Ducky if you want people to listen to you and think you actually have something intelligent to say, it's really time to come up with something new :D

El Legenda
10-23-2006, 11:57 PM
quit living in a dream world where Ljubicic accomplishes more than Roddick. Ljubicic has by his standards a great year and Roddick by his standards a horrific one, and they are still almost even in the rankings :bigwave:

Ducky if you want people to listen to you and think you actually have something intelligent to say, it's really time to come up with something new :D
i dont live in a world where Ljubicic accomplishes more than roddick...i live in today where Ljubicic is better than Roddick :kiss:
maybe you need to quit living in the world where roddick can win another GS :rolls:

Jlee
10-23-2006, 11:58 PM
Roddick's chances of winning a (second) slam are about 3 times more than Ljube's chances to ever win one. :) :wavey:

Deboogle!.
10-23-2006, 11:59 PM
i dont live in a world where Ljubicic accomplishes more than roddick...i live in today where Ljubicic is better than Roddick :kiss:by what measure exactly? The only measure that counts are accomplishments :)
maybe you need to quit living in the world where roddick can win another GS :rolls:Unlike yourself, I never make bold pronouncements. I am logical and reasonable enough to know when something is unlikely to occur, and I have never once stated that I think Andy will win another Slam.

Next false statement for me to smack down? :)

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 12:03 AM
edit
i keep doing double posts :(

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 12:03 AM
by what measure exactly? The only measure that counts are accomplishments :)
Unlike yourself, I never make bold pronouncements. I am logical and reasonable enough to know when something is unlikely to occur, and I have never once stated that I think Andy will win another Slam.

Next false statement for me to smack down? :)

what do past accomplishments have to do with who is better today?

When have i said Ljubicic will ever win a GS? or a TMS...
look at the wishes for 2007 thread..i didnt even do it there :)

Deboogle!.
10-24-2006, 12:06 AM
measuring past accomplishments, Hewitt is better than roddick? roddick might suck :lol: , but he is still better than Hewitt today.If they were to both retire today, absolutely, Hewitt will have had a better career than Andy. And I'm ok with that, I don't need to put Hewitt down to make Andy look better :shrug: As I said in the thread about Berdych and Andy, I have issues with simply saying "better" because that is too subjective. :shrug: So except for the fact that you happen to like Ljubicic and clearly are incapable of being objective, why do you really care so much about Roddick sucking? You have to keep saying "Roddick sucks" to pump up your guy? If you have to put other players down to pump up your own, you must not actually be all that confident in his ability to have his accomplishments stand on their own :)

Moreover, I didn't say you said Ljubicic would win a slam or whatever, but you make pronouncements about matches he'll win and stuff all the time; I on the other hand am the type who expects Andy to lose probably 75% of all the matches he plays :lol:. Yet, you accused me of saying I think Andy can; I didn't. I didn't put words into your mouth, you put them into mine (twice now;))

Keep going, this is fun. :)

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 12:09 AM
If they were to both retire today, absolutely, Hewitt will have had a better career than Andy. And I'm ok with that, I don't need to put Hewitt down to make Andy look better :shrug: As I said in the thread about Berdych and Andy, I have issues with simply saying "better" because that is too subjective. :shrug: So except for the fact that you happen to like Ljubicic and clearly are incapable of being objective, why do you really care so much about Roddick sucking? You have to keep saying "Roddick sucks" to pump up your guy? If you have to put other players down to pump up your own, you must not actually all that confident in his ability to have his accomplishments stand on their own :)

Do you really think i say Roddick Sucks to pump up ljubicic :lol:
:lol: i mean even tangy knows why i do it

Deboogle!.
10-24-2006, 12:09 AM
Do you really think i say Roddick Sucks to pump up ljubicic :lol:
:lol: i mean even tangy knows why i do itThat's how it appears to an objective outsider :shrug: :)

If not that, then why? Just to be an assclown? Yeah, because that's a far more dignified reason :angel: That or you actually think he sucks and just have no tact :D

Point being, you can't deny Andy's good record against those in the top 10 except for Federer. Isn't that what this thread is about anyway? :)

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 12:13 AM
you must not actually be all that confident in his ability

but you make pronouncements about matches he'll win and stuff all the time; I on the other hand am the type who expects Andy to lose probably 75% of all the matches he plays :lol:. Yet, you accused me of saying I think Andy can; I didn't. I didn't put words into your mouth, you put them into mine (twice now;))

Keep going, this is fun. :)

so you say i have no confidence in ivan ability...
and but you expect Andy to lose 75% of his matches?

why would i not a confidence in his ability if you say i pronounce that he will win and stuff all the time?

:wavey:

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 12:14 AM
That's how it appears to an objective outsider :shrug: :)

If not that, then why? Just to be an assclown? Yeah, because that's a far more dignified reason :angel: That or you actually think he sucks and just have no tact :D

:)


yes.

do you really think that i think that a top 10 player sucks .....:confused:

~*BGT*~
10-24-2006, 12:17 AM
yes.

do you really think that i think that a top 10 player sucks .....:confused:

One does. ;) The real number two. :D

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 12:20 AM
One does. ;) The real number two. :D

step aside rookie.

Im serving for the match vs Deb :kiss:

~*BGT*~
10-24-2006, 12:25 AM
step aside rookie.

Im serving for the match vs Deb :kiss:

And I'm the bee under Rafa's shirt. :p

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 12:28 AM
And I'm the bee under Rafa's shirt. :p

:yeah: good luck with all of that

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 12:30 AM
ohh yeah...before i leave


roddick sucks

:smooch:

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 12:39 AM
Watching Deb rip apart your "reasoning" is like watching someone shoot fish in a barrel - the outcome is so predictable that you almost feel sorry for the fish. ;)

ripping apart :lol: you mean her own assumptions?

she thinks i say "roddicks sucks" to pump up ivan..:confused: what...

ExcaliburII
10-24-2006, 12:41 AM
ljubicic is the worst number three the Atp ever had.

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 12:43 AM
ljubicic is the worst number three the Atp ever had.

Is that canas the cheater in your avatar

next....

ExcaliburII
10-24-2006, 12:53 AM
Is that canas the cheater in your avatar

next....

jaja look what you have to say to defend ljubicic.

Caρas cheater have you read something about what has happened?:rolleyes:


Ljubicic sucks, a good player can not win all the matchs till the Davis Cup final and loose against a poor player as Hrbaty;)

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 01:01 AM
jaja look what you have to say to defend ljubicic.

Caρas cheater have you read something about what has happened?:rolleyes:


Ljubicic sucks, a good player can not win all the matchs till the Davis Cup final and loose against a poor player as Hrbaty;)

ljubicic sucks, have you read something about what did happen during the Davis Cup final?

ExcaliburII
10-24-2006, 01:06 AM
ljubicic sucks, have you read something about what did happen during the Davis Cup final?

tell me.

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 01:08 AM
tell me.

that would be to easy...find it and read it :wavey:

General Suburbia
10-24-2006, 01:08 AM
Uh, Costanza? Maybe in your warped mind you may have felt that you held even ground in your debate, but I can guaruntee you that pretty much everyone who read that little skirmish between you and Deb saw that you lost. Badly.

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 01:11 AM
That's how it appears to an objective outsider :shrug: :)


does it mean its true....since it "appears"...it must be

El Legenda
10-24-2006, 01:13 AM
Uh, Costanza? Maybe in your warped mind you may have felt that you held even ground in your debate, but I can guaruntee you that pretty much everyone who read that little skirmish between you and Deb saw that you lost. Badly.

her whole side is based on "appears" and her own assumptions..

GlennMirnyi
10-24-2006, 01:39 AM
ljubicic is the worst number three the Atp ever had.

So wrong.

Dusk Soldier
10-24-2006, 10:55 AM
quit living in the past :wavey:

living in the past? They're seperated by like five points the champions race.

It's nice to be a hater and all, but Roddick has more accomplishments than the rest of the top ten (sans Nadal and Federer) combined.

~EMiLiTA~
10-24-2006, 11:40 AM
apart from all the inane arguments, this thread is quite interesting with all the statistics. thanks for doing them!!

Pea
10-24-2006, 01:54 PM
I still can't believe Rafa and David have not played against each other.

juanqui.ferrero
10-24-2006, 06:16 PM
apart from all the inane arguments, this thread is quite interesting with all the statistics. thanks for doing them!!
Interesting, but some statistics are so falsed with personal opinions...:(

Jimnik
10-24-2006, 07:39 PM
Interesting stats.

Here are a few ex-top 10 players:

MARAT SAFIN
2-7 Federer
0-0 Nadal
6-2 Nalbandian
2-2 Ljubicic
3-3 Roddick
2-2 Davydenko
2-3 Gonzalez
4-4 Robredo
2-2 Blake
0-0 Berdych
(-2)

LLEYTON HEWITT
7-11 Federer
4-1 Nadal
3-1 Nalbandian
1-0 Ljubicic
6-3 Roddick
3-0 Davydenko
2-2 Gonzalez
1-1 Robredo
7-1 Blake
0-1 Berdych
(+13) - only Federer is better

JC FERRERO
3-6 Federer
1-4 Nadal
2-2 Nalbandian
1-3 Ljubicic
0-3 Roddick
2-1 Davydenko
1-3 Gonzalez
2-2 Robredo
2-0 Blake
0-1 Berdych
(-11)

Alexiana
10-25-2006, 09:35 PM
wow, Robredo sucks even more than I thought:smash:

NYCtennisfan
10-25-2006, 10:23 PM
That's how it appears to an objective outsider :shrug: :)

If not that, then why? Just to be an assclown? Yeah, because that's a far more dignified reason :angel: That or you actually think he sucks and just have no tact :D

Point being, you can't deny Andy's good record against those in the top 10 except for Federer. Isn't that what this thread is about anyway? :)

It is, but Roddick still has a very poor record facing top 10 players when his opponent is ranked in the top 10 at the time of their meeting.

In any case, I don't want to interrupt this little exchange. Carry on. :)

tangerine_dream
10-25-2006, 10:28 PM
Interesting. Remove Federer from the equation and everybody looks good. :lol: Fascinating stats, thanks for posting them. Good to see that even during Roddick's worst year his numbers still look pretty good. :cool:

quit living in the past :wavey:
Says the guy who insists on regurgitating a long-ago Croatian Davis Cup win that nobody remembers nor cares about.

ljubicic is the worst number three the Atp ever had.
Everybody agrees, thanks for posting. :yeah:

Johnny Groove
10-25-2006, 11:26 PM
After watching Deb tear JS's argument to shreds, and in light of research of past Tangy vs. Ducky arguments, MTF Law 16 has been scrapped :wavey:

Conita
10-26-2006, 12:09 AM
Without Federer:

Nadal is 9-9
Nalbandian is 18-14
Ljubicic is 23-18
Roddick is 32-11
Davydenko is 12-15
Gonzalez is 19-25
Robredo is 8-24
Blake is 17-14
Berdych is 7-15
Baghdatis is 7-6

Federer :o :worship: :mad:

interesting indeed

blosson
10-26-2006, 12:33 AM
Do you really think i say Roddick Sucks to pump up ljubicic :lol:


that's what it looks like. you always put a player down (usually andy) to pump up ivan. is it really necessary?