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uglyamerican
06-06-2007, 01:45 PM
If Nole does what he should do today, then the top 5 (with Gonzalez trailing close behind) will have put a very comfortable gap between them and the last 4: projected #5 Roddick 2930, new #7 Robredo 2200.

The gap between #6 & #7 will be very large, indeed. Currently 6th place has the most points of any 6th place person since 19 January 2004. I made a pretty chart of this, to teach myself how to use Excel.

Updated Wimbledon seed scenarios on Post #1 of this thread.

Farenhajt
06-06-2007, 02:28 PM
So he is 4th now? :rocker2:

He can't be lower than #4, and there's still a possibility that he'll go further than Davydenko - meaning, EITHER he'll beat Rafa and Davydenko will lose to Fed, OR both Nole and Davydenko get to the finals and Nole wins - in which case Nole's #3.

For both scenarios, though, his win over Rafa is a prerequisite. If that doesn't happen, he's #4, period.

jitterbug
06-06-2007, 02:30 PM
:woohoo:

Farenhajt
06-06-2007, 02:38 PM
Uglyamerican, regarding the first item in your updated post #1: what happens if both Rafa and Fed lose on Friday?

ataptc
06-06-2007, 04:49 PM
He can't be lower than #4, and there's still a possibility that he'll go further than Davydenko - meaning, EITHER he'll beat Rafa and Davydenko will lose to Fed, OR both Nole and Davydenko get to the finals and Nole wins - in which case Nole's #3.

For both scenarios, though, his win over Rafa is a prerequisite. If that doesn't happen, he's #4, period.

Thanks!

I don't know how you guys can do all these calculations, but kudos to all who can :worship:

uglyamerican
06-06-2007, 05:02 PM
Uglyamerican, regarding the first item in your updated post #1: what happens if both Rafa and Fed lose on Friday?

Then somebody has to win the final. If Novak beats Davyenko in the final, Davydenko could not catch up and Roddick would need to win Queen's to prevent Novak from the #3 seed.

If Davydenko beats Novak in the final, Novak could still pass up Davydenko the next week under the following:

Davydenko----------------------------------Djokovic
Makes QF or less at Halle----------Makes Queen's Final
Makes the SF at Halle---------------Wins the title at Queen's


We're talking about the Wimbledon seedings (with the grass court formula they use to adjust the seedings), not just the straight ATP ranking. Just to be clear.

Farenhajt
06-06-2007, 06:15 PM
And what exactly is grass court formula? Adding grasscourt points made within last 52 weeks to the current ATP point count? Or something more intrinsic?

If that's it, and if there were similar "claycourt formula" for Roland Garros, then Nole actually would have been No. 3 seed on this year's RG, with Davydenko No. 4 - which is proven in practice as well. More on that here: http://www.tennis.com/tournaments/2007/frenchopen/frenchopen.aspx?id=80942 (I'm sorry if there are any restrictions on outside linking - if I broke some rules, I apologize in advance.)

EDIT: I just noted there's the grasscourt formula given in the footnote of the above article, so no need to explain it, it's clear :)

Scotso
06-07-2007, 04:01 AM
#4 :rocker2:

Farenhajt
06-07-2007, 06:17 PM
But it's not important whether Nole is the 3rd seed or the 4th seed, since those two are anyway randomly ordered within the draw. So either is good (or bad) for Nole.

Farenhajt
06-10-2007, 11:57 PM
Projections for after QC, assuming Davydenko flops in Halle:

IF (Nole not in F and Roddick not in F) THEN (No change, see the Note)
IF (Nole F and Roddick not in F) THEN (3. Nole, 4. Davydenko, 5/6. Roddick/Gonzalez - see the Note)
IF (Nole W and Roddick not in F) THEN (3. Nole, 4. Davydenko, 5. Roddick)
IF (Nole not in F and Roddick F) THEN (3. Davydenko, 4. Roddick, 5. Nole)
IF (Nole not in F and Roddick W) THEN (3. Roddick, 4. Davydenko, 5. Nole)
IF (Nole F and Roddick W) THEN (3. Roddick, 4. Nole, 5. Davydenko)
IF (Nole W and Roddick F) THEN (3. Nole, 4. Davydenko, 5. Roddick)

Note: Here Gonzalez can enter the picture, but only if he wins the tournament and Roddick doesn't reach the SF, and then he can only deny Roddick his 5th place (he can't affect Nole in any way).

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So, Nole can go down a notch if he misses the Finals and Roddick does not, but he also has quite a good chance for reaching well-deserved #3 :)

Basically, I must say that Nole's picture during several last weeks would be much brighter if he hadn't squandered 50 points against Ferrer in Monte Carlo. Another 100 points lost against Moya in Hamburg must be forgiven after such a gruelling day before the match.

Scotso
06-11-2007, 11:39 PM
It's hard to believe that Roddick could pass Nole again just by making the finals. I really can't remember an event other than Wimbledon last year where Roddick did well. I feels like he should be out of the top 10 by now.

jeahhh!
06-11-2007, 11:43 PM
It's hard to believe that Roddick could pass Nole again just by making the finals. I really can't remember an event other than Wimbledon last year where Roddick did well. I feels like he should be out of the top 10 by now.

But he didn't really do well at Wimbledon last year. He kind of sucked balls at it. But he won Cincy and then made the final of the Us Open.

uglyamerican
06-12-2007, 04:53 AM
It's hard to believe that Roddick could pass Nole again just by making the finals. I really can't remember an event other than Wimbledon last year where Roddick did well. I feels like he should be out of the top 10 by now.

US Open, Cincinnati, Australian Open

Roddick was crap at Wimbledon. You must have meant the US Open.

uglyamerican
06-12-2007, 05:17 AM
Week-by-week here are the points to come off this summer for Novak, Andy, and Kolya. Numbers in parenthesis are the next best result that would replace it---if the player doesn't get a better result before then.

Queen's
Roddick 100(40)

Wimbledon
Davydenko 5
Roddick 75
Djokovic 150

Bastad/Gstaad/Newport
Davydenko 120 (110)

Amersfoort/Indianapolis/Stuttgart
Roddick 140 (40)
Djokovic 175 (110)

Kitzbuhel/Los Angeles/Umag
Roddick 40 (0)
Djokovic 120 (75)

Sopot/Washington
Davydenko 175 (75)

Toronto
Davydenko 5

Cincinati
Davydenko 5
Roddick 500
Djokovic 35

New Haven
Davydenko 200 (40)

US OPEN
Roddick 700
Davydenko 450
Djokovic 75

Scotso
06-13-2007, 02:12 AM
Oh yeah, Nadal was in the Wimbledon final last year. I forgot. :p

Farenhajt
06-13-2007, 04:27 PM
It's hard to believe that Roddick could pass Nole again just by making the finals. I really can't remember an event other than Wimbledon last year where Roddick did well. I feels like he should be out of the top 10 by now.

Well, since the three of them are placed within a 110 point range, you can expect some juggling from now on until the span widens.

Farenhajt
06-16-2007, 06:08 PM
Since Roddick made the QC Finals, Nole is down to #5 till the end of Wimbledon.

Scotso
06-16-2007, 06:47 PM
Damnit. It annoys me to no end that Roddick will pass him again. Without grass courts and his big serve, Roddick wouldn't even be top 1000. Bah!

Nole will pass him again soon, it just annoys me that Roddick managed to climb back up again... especially when he was so near to getting knocked out many times despite his cakewalk of a draw.

uglyamerican
06-16-2007, 07:04 PM
Sometimes I think you don't like Roddick. :p


Nadal needs to get taken down at Wimbledon.

From Miami on, Nadal has only gained 1300 points more than Novak. That's not so much.

Farenhajt
06-16-2007, 07:41 PM
Again, those 50 points to be taken at Monte Carlo... would've saved you a lot of frustration these days, Scotso ;)

Do you guys think that it's Nole's thing to be relatively slow in readjusting to a new surface? If so, will he be able to defend Amersfoort points in Bastad, so close after Wimby?

uglyamerican
06-18-2007, 12:43 AM
The switch to grass is harder for younger players. Switch back to clay should not be as tough as the switch from hard to clay in the spring-time.

spriwi
07-05-2007, 03:54 PM
From Miami on, Nadal has only gained 1300 points more than Novak. That's not so much.

ONLY 1300 points :rolleyes:
sure m8... he ll catch up with nadal FAST:wavey:

uglyamerican
07-06-2007, 08:11 PM
I think Novak will be #3 through Indianapolis/Umag week for sure. If Roddick takes a wild-card for Los Angeles that might give him a chance---he's not on the entry list, right now.

Farenhajt
07-06-2007, 08:15 PM
After such a gruelling ending of Wimbledon, it wouldn't surprise me if Nole pulled out of Bastad, so he might lose his Amersfoort points soon. And as the cushion over Roddick is just 80 points, that might result in him going down to #4.

On the other hand, if he somehow finds strength to beat Nadal tomorrow, he'll be very comfy on a 330-point cushion over Roddick.

uglyamerican
07-06-2007, 08:17 PM
But his un-used points (his back-ups) are quite good. Rotterdam 110 backing up Amersfoort result. Dubai 75 backing up Umag result.

neenah
07-06-2007, 08:47 PM
Amazing Nole, #3! And Richie at 7 and Berdych at 10. Finally the new generation is taking over! :)

marina988
07-06-2007, 09:38 PM
Bravo Nole!!! :banana:

Saumon
07-06-2007, 09:53 PM
Run, Roger! Run! The new generation is running after you! :p

Scotso
07-06-2007, 10:17 PM
Hopefully they'll chase him out of the top 20. :p

Nole :rocker2:

#3 is amazing.

CassL
07-06-2007, 10:29 PM
Roddick has so many pts to defend in the US hardcourt series, so I hope Nole stays at #3.

savesthedizzle
07-07-2007, 12:06 AM
#3!!!!!!!!!! *jaw drops*

:woohoo:

Farenhajt
07-07-2007, 05:52 AM
But his un-used points (his back-ups) are quite good. Rotterdam 110 backing up Amersfoort result. Dubai 75 backing up Umag result.

Missing both Amersfoort and Umag (or the equivalents) equals to losing 110 points (175 + 120 - 110 - 75 = 110), meaning he'd drop down to #4 unless he gets to Wimbledon Finals.

CassL
07-07-2007, 05:57 AM
Even if he loses his #3 ranking in the following weeks, he'll get it back. He's better than Roddick and the race rankings show that.

ataptc
07-07-2007, 06:45 AM
Nole :banana:

PennyThePenguin
07-07-2007, 09:09 AM
:woohoo: :woohoo: NUMBAH THREEE!!!!!!!!

Jelena_78
07-07-2007, 10:24 AM
He'll get that no.3 spot very quickly back,I'm sure.:)
I'd rather he had some rest and prepared for the American tour...:worship:

Anne-Claire
07-07-2007, 02:41 PM
can't believe it :) Nole :hatoff:

Lee
07-08-2007, 02:49 AM
Nole not just gains the 3rd ranking in the world. He also bypass Roddick in the most hated player list on MTF. :lol:

savesthedizzle
07-08-2007, 03:15 AM
Nole not just gains the 3rd ranking in the world. He also bypass Roddick in the most hated player list on MTF. :lol:

Quite an accomplishment. :) :lol:

Scotso
07-08-2007, 03:48 AM
Being hated just means he's getting really good. Bitterness is so not pretty.

Nole :rocker2:

On his way to #1. :yeah:

marina988
07-08-2007, 11:33 AM
I didn't know people hated Nole!!!
How could anyone hate him? I mean he's NOLE!!!!! :)

PennyThePenguin
07-09-2007, 12:35 AM
as long as there's a person. there'll be someone hating him/her so it's not that surprising really :p as for why nole's hated in GM, I think it's because of his frequent medical timeouts. players aren't allowed to get injured you know :rolleyes: ;)

lalaland
07-10-2007, 06:26 AM
Haven't been here for awhile, but look at Nole, #3 in the world. Last time I was here, ppl are still debating if he is anywhere near Murray and Gasquet. Now, he's only behind Roger and Rafa.

I don't get what ppl not like Nole about, well, I get it, but I think he's refreshingly honest. I like him since his injury timeout in 2005 US Open. I don't think I've heard any player openly admitting taking advantage of the injury rule and said sorry to his opponent for doing that. I like him ever since. Good luck and I hope he gets to no. 1, well, some day.

CassL
07-10-2007, 01:23 PM
I don't get what ppl not like Nole about, well, I get it, but I think he's refreshingly honest. I like him since his injury timeout in 2005 US Open. I don't think I've heard any player openly admitting taking advantage of the injury rule and said sorry to his opponent for doing that. I like him ever since. Good luck and I hope he gets to no. 1, well, some day.

Some people started to dislike him after that injury timeout at USO, but it's when I started to like him, too. Weird, huh?

Farenhajt
07-11-2007, 01:34 AM
Nole stays #3 this week: Davydenko can't make more than 55 points in Gstaad (since he's losing 120 Bastad points), so in the worst case he's going up to 3240 points.

The next week Nole loses his Amersfoort points and drops down to 3245 points, while Davydenko plays Amersfoort and he could jump over Nole if he does well (provided he doesn't fluke in Gstaad).

The week after that, Nole and Davydenko meet as the two top seeds in Umag. Stay tuned :)

Farenhajt
07-11-2007, 06:25 PM
Oh, good, Davydenko lost to Monfils in the 1st round of Gstaad, hence he loses 10 points this week. Therefore, even if he wins Amersfoort, he still can't get to #3 before Umag.

Suzi
07-11-2007, 07:38 PM
as long as there's a person. there'll be someone hating him/her so it's not that surprising really :p

true its also mtf and theres always plenty of haters for each player on here lol

chewy
07-12-2007, 06:28 PM
Nole not just gains the 3rd ranking in the world. He also bypass Roddick in the most hated player list on MTF. :lol:

really? i dont feel that here at mtf...i thought he was neither particularly well-liked or hated by other tennis fans...


anyway, congrats on being the world no.3!

Farenhajt
07-26-2007, 07:47 AM
So, if Roddick makes the finals of Indianapolis, he's back to #3, Nole going down to #4, which is still good for Montreal seeding.

(Will this Nole-Andy-Kolya "catch me if you can" game ever come to an end? :))

uglyamerican
07-26-2007, 09:11 AM
(Will this Nole-Andy-Kolya "catch me if you can" game ever come to an end? :))

Yes! After the US Open.

I don't see Roddick defending his Cincinnati win or his NY final.

Novak should be 500 points ahead of Davydenko after the US Open. That's my prediciton.


F***ing Viktor! :mad:

uglyamerican
08-04-2007, 01:50 AM
Save us, Ivo.

Scotso
08-04-2007, 04:17 AM
Roddick is a bit of a joke lately. His record against top ten players in the last few years is laughable. He really does build his ranking on these small events :o

uglyamerican
08-04-2007, 11:47 PM
Roddick is a bit of a joke lately. His record against top ten players in the last few years is laughable. He really does build his ranking on these small events :o

Novak doesn't have a lot of points from small tournaments. :p

uglyamerican
08-04-2007, 11:59 PM
Roddick will need at least 1 SF in the 2 Masterses to stay ahead of Novak.

Assuming Roddick wins the Washington Final....

If Novak does nothing, Roddick needs______in Montreal and Cincinnati.

2 SF
1 Final & 1 round of 16
1 TITLE

If Novak makes the SF in Montreal (meaning Roddick would not) Andy would need to win in Cincinnati to stay 3rd.

Scotso
08-05-2007, 03:11 AM
It won't matter after the US Open, anyway.

uglyamerican
08-10-2007, 09:54 PM
Ђоковић!

Scotso
08-11-2007, 03:56 AM
Yes, I think he clearly showed who the true #3 player in the world is today.

uglyamerican
08-12-2007, 06:03 AM
Novak could very realistically open up a 1000 point gap on #4 by the end of the Open.

Scotso
08-13-2007, 12:31 AM
I think we should start focusing on his gap from #2 :p I'm not worried about #4 anymore. ;)

uglyamerican
08-13-2007, 12:50 AM
I think we should start focusing on his gap from #2 :p I'm not worried about #4 anymore. ;)

Quite right. I've got some premliminary numbers.

Novak could reach #2 by October 15 at the earliest.

...
I should add that this is based on Novak only playing where he is on the entry list (if there is an entry list at this time). I'm discounting scenarios of getting a WC into a small event and winning it.

savesthedizzle
08-13-2007, 12:54 AM
Quite right. I've got some premliminary numbers.

Novak could reach #2 by October 15 at the earliest.

:yeah:

Baghdatis72
08-13-2007, 01:06 AM
#3 ranking spot is now secured and the fight to close the gap has begun :yeah:

Roddick and Davydenko will never see the #3 spot again and Novak truly deserves it right now (if not higher ;))

savesthedizzle
08-13-2007, 01:18 AM
#3 ranking spot is now secured and the fight to close the gap has begun :yeah:

Roddick and Davydenko will never see the #3 spot again and Novak truly deserves it right now (if not higher ;))

They might be fighting Fed for it soon ;) :p

Baghdatis72
08-13-2007, 01:28 AM
They might be fighting Fed for it soon ;) :p

I believe that we're in for a great surprise in the months to come and the changes in the points of the players in the top 3 spots will be quite large and fast.

savesthedizzle
08-13-2007, 01:33 AM
I hope you're right ;)

Baghdatis72
08-13-2007, 01:53 AM
I hope you're right ;)

I've been saying that Novak deserved to be the number 3 for many months now (on the previous forum I used to post with the same username I have here) and most posters were laughing at me.

I believe that he is better than Nadal on hard courts and grass and that he is not bad on clay. Judging from the way Nadal is improving too I think that at some point they will be really close with Nadal threatening Federer's #1 spot and Djokovic having the greatest rise from the 3.

So now we have something like
Federer 7140
Nadal 5605
Djokovic 3700

Imo until the end of the season it will converge to something like
Federer 6900
Nadal 6000
Djokovic 5000

and by 12 March 2007 it will be really really close like
Federer 6900
Nadal 6300
Djokovic 5400

From then on the balance will be fragile and anything could happen :D

uglyamerican
08-13-2007, 02:07 AM
Imo until the end of the season it will converge to something like
Federer 6900
Nadal 6000
Djokovic 5000


That sounds like a good guess.

With the points to expire for the rest of the year removed we get...

Federer 4355
Nadal 4905
Nole 3305

Just add on however many points you think each will get until the end of the year, and you'll be close enough to reality.

Baghdatis72
08-13-2007, 02:09 AM
That sounds like a good guess.

With the points to expire for the rest of the year removed we get...

Federer 4355
Nadal 4905
Nole 3305

Just add on however many points you think each will get until the end of the year, and you'll be close enough to reality.

If Novak and Nadal manage to beat Federer 1-2 times each until the end of the season in major events then Nadal might have a chance to touch the #1 spot :o

uglyamerican
08-13-2007, 02:16 AM
I've just realized, those numbers are just the RACE numbers x5.

I thought I had really accomplished something. :silly: :lol:

Baghdatis72
08-13-2007, 02:18 AM
I've just realized, those numbers are just the RACE numbers x5.

I thought I had really accomplished something. :silly: :lol:

You didn't know that? :nerner: :lol:

Novak Dj
08-14-2007, 05:46 PM
So, Nole will be No3 for a long time, probably until the end of this year. I wonder what will be his new position, No2 or No4, what do you think?

CassL
08-14-2007, 06:21 PM
So, Nole will be No3 for a long time, probably until the end of this year. I wonder what will be his new position, No2 or No4, what do you think?

neither likely.


It's tough to catch Nadal when he's so dominant on clay and Nole is comfortably ahead of Roddick to worry about falling off.

I think he's stuck at 3 for a while.

uglyamerican
08-15-2007, 03:57 AM
neither likely.


Eventually one or the other will have to happen. I think he's asking, "which will happen first?"

It's hard to image that Novak would go down to #4. He would almost certainly have to win a slam to get to #2---I think that's what will happen first.

Scotso
08-15-2007, 04:20 AM
I hope so.

uglyamerican
08-15-2007, 10:39 PM
Now Novak won't be able to get to #2 until after the Madrid Masters.

Novak Dj
09-08-2007, 08:27 PM
After IW difference between Rafa and Nole was 3000 points. Now it`s only 1000. After tomorrow I hope it could be 700.

CassL
09-08-2007, 09:03 PM
After IW difference between Rafa and Nole was 3000 points. Now it`s only 1000. After tomorrow I hope it could be 700.

:bounce: :bounce:


We need another table of pts. This time between Nole and Rafa.

uglyamerican
09-08-2007, 09:11 PM
We need another table of pts. This time between Nole and Rafa.

After tomorrow we'll have a clearer idea of just what would be necessary to take down Rafa.

As of right this minute, Rafa's margin is down to it's lowest level since August 2005 (when he had been #2 for only 6 weeks).

PennyThePenguin
09-09-2007, 04:47 AM
so I think I've been half asleep all week and only realised nnow that nole's in this year's masters cup!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

savesthedizzle
09-09-2007, 02:23 PM
so I think I've been half asleep all week and only realised nnow that nole's in this year's masters cup!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Welcome back to life :hug:

PennyThePenguin
09-10-2007, 12:46 PM
were you guys talking about it in here? :scratch: because I don't recall you guys mentioning it :shrug:

Novak Dj
10-19-2007, 05:43 PM
Difference between Rafa and Nole after IW was 2695 points. Now is 915 (or 790 if he wins against Nalby or 640 if he wins in Madrid).

Points after Wimbledon:
Nadal 755
Djokovic 1660 (or 1785 if wins against Nalby or 1915 if he wins in Madrid).

Nole is clearly No3, but I hope Rafa wouldn`t be claerly No2 for a long time...

uglyamerican
01-28-2008, 05:04 PM
Subtracting all the points that will fall off between now and RG seeding week, you get:

1 Federer---5325
2 Nadal----3630
3 Djokovic----3620

If Novak can beat (by a few points) Rafa between now and Hamburg, he can steal #2.

Nothing is impossible.

Scotso
01-28-2008, 10:03 PM
Joe :wavey:

savesthedizzle
01-29-2008, 02:55 AM
Subtracting all the points that will fall off between now and RG seeding week, you get:

1 Federer---5325
2 Nadal----3630
3 Djokovic----3620

If Novak can beat (by a few points) Rafa between now and Hamburg, he can steal #2.

Nothing is impossible.


:worship:

Joe :wavey:

neenah
03-03-2008, 08:40 PM
With Federer losing more often (don't dissect that and think I'm going on about his huge decline/never winning another match :p) hopefully some opportunities will open up for Nole.

It's sad for me, liking all the top three. :awww:

jennyian
03-04-2008, 02:03 AM
I still can't believe Rogi lost in the first round. Wow!

Good Luck Nolé! :)

platinum
03-04-2008, 10:00 PM
Roger is losing the #1 this year....

jennyian
03-05-2008, 02:31 AM
^Rafa is right on his heels. I hope NolÚ does great althroughout the year.

uglyamerican
03-24-2008, 12:46 AM
Nadal's Monte Carlo points will expire 1 week before the tournament is played, this year.

It's true! Because of a shift in the schedule #2 is within reach at the next tournament. Novak would need to win Miami and have Rafa win only 1 (or 0) matches.

Here's why...

---------------------------Nadal-----------Novak

10-March Rankings----------5980-------------5130
subtract Indian Wells '07---500--------------350
add Indian Wells '08--------225--------------500
=24-March Rankings---------5705-------------5280

subtract Miami '07----------125--------------500
add Miami '07---------------???--------------???
(put in zeros for now to help us compare)
=7-April Rankings----------5580-------------4780

no changes
=14-April Rankings---------5580-------------4780

subtract Monte Carlo '07----500---------------75
add Estoril,Houston,
Valencia--------------------???--------------???
=21-April Rankings---------5080-------------4705



FOR A DIFFERENCE OF>>>>>375 points

That's the amount (in Miami) Novak has to earn more than Nadal to earn the #2 ranking.
Nadal would be ahead in case of a tie.

uglyamerican
03-24-2008, 01:06 AM
I can fix this on Monday morning if it's confusing.

Right now I'm so, so sleepy. Good night.

savesthedizzle
03-24-2008, 01:07 AM
Night Joe :D Happy Easter :hug:

Scotso
03-24-2008, 04:42 AM
Winning Miami certainly is within the realm of possibility, but I doubt Rafa will lose that early. But that's okay, he'll get there soon enough.

jennyian
03-26-2008, 06:04 AM
As long as he does well althroughout the year, his ranking will follow!

Good Luck NolÚ!

:)

njnetswill
03-27-2008, 02:19 AM
I do not see Nadal losing very early, looking at the draw. :(

savesthedizzle
03-27-2008, 02:59 AM
Novak has to make it to the finals at least to have effectively defended all his points from last year. That's scary. :tape:

I'm just looking for him to improve his results at the clay masters. That's where there is room for improvement.

ionah
03-28-2008, 06:01 PM
Nole for # 1.

Novak Dj
03-29-2008, 09:20 AM
We could forget No2 for a while, but Nole has a great chance to be closer to Rafa after RG if:
a) Nole plays better than last year on clay
b) Rafa plays worse than last year on clay

There are good chances for both options.

uglyamerican
05-11-2008, 04:08 PM
We could forget No2 for a while, but Nole has a great chance to be closer to Rafa after RG if:
a) Nole plays better than last year on clay
b) Rafa plays worse than last year on clay

There are good chances for both options.


a) check
b) check

To be fair, I don't think one could say Rafa is playing worse on clay. Winning 3
1-weekers in a row is impossible.

uglyamerican
05-11-2008, 04:14 PM
#2 is on the line this week! (In Hamburg)

If Novak made the Finals he would be #2.

If Rafa had some kind of physical problem and was unable to win a match, Novak would need a QF to reach #2.

teR
05-11-2008, 04:35 PM
Nole whichever points defends in Hamburg??

uglyamerican
05-11-2008, 04:51 PM
Nole whichever points defends in Hamburg??


125.

Nadal 350.



Nadal's lead over 3rd is now 310 points....the lowest since 1-august-2005 (his second week at #2).

teR
05-11-2008, 04:54 PM
125.

Nadal 350.

Thanks :)

njnetswill
05-12-2008, 02:24 AM
Is this the week that determines FO seedings? Or next week? :unsure:

Imagine if Rafa and Fed were in the same half and Novak in the other. :haha:

neenah
05-12-2008, 02:34 AM
Is this the week that determines FO seedings? Or next week? :unsure:

Imagine if Rafa and Fed were in the same half and Novak in the other. :haha:

Very funny :ras: :lol:

All I know is that Nole can take #2 with a final in Hamburg, right?

kalisita
05-12-2008, 04:21 AM
Seeding for the French Open is determined by this week's rankings. So even if Novak is able to overtake Nadal in the rankings after Hamburg he'll still be seeded 3rd for the FO.

Scotso
05-12-2008, 04:29 AM
Very funny :ras: :lol:

All I know is that Nole can take #2 with a final in Hamburg, right?

Not if Nadal gets far.

Saumon
05-12-2008, 09:19 AM
Seeding for the French Open is determined by this week's rankings. So even if Novak is able to overtake Nadal in the rankings after Hamburg he'll still be seeded 3rd for the FO.

Are you sure? RG's draw will be out next week so they should use next week's ranking. :scratch: :confused: :shrug:

uglyamerican
05-12-2008, 10:13 AM
Are you sure? RG's draw will be out next week so they should use next week's ranking. :scratch: :confused: :shrug:


Gab is correct. Some might be forgetting that there is a week of tournaments between Hamburg and RG--because few top players choose to play that week.

uglyamerican
05-12-2008, 10:15 AM
Not if Nadal gets far.

Because they are in the same half, if Novak gets to the Final, Nadal could only get a SF, so that would be enough.

Hi Scott. :)

*Ljubica*
05-12-2008, 10:19 AM
Are you sure? RG's draw will be out next week so they should use next week's ranking. :scratch: :confused: :shrug:

I thought it was next week's rankings too :shrug: Though I'm not too good on all this seedings/rankings stuff. Personally, I don't think Nole will make Number 2 this week, but it doesn't bother me too much to be honest :shrug: (Am I the only one?). As far as I feel, he is by far the best player of the year so far, and will be the next Number 1 player for sure :) But it won't happen overnight - he has plenty of time to reach the Number 2 AND eventually the Number 1 spots - it will just take a little time, and be all the sweeter for the wait :)

uglyamerican
05-12-2008, 10:43 AM
Personally, I don't think Nole will make Number 2 this week, but it doesn't bother me too much to be honest :shrug: (Am I the only one?). As far as I feel, he is by far the best player of the year so far, and will be the next Number 1 player for sure :) But it won't happen overnight - he has plenty of time to reach the Number 2 AND eventually the Number 1 spots - it will just take a little time, and be all the sweeter for the wait :)


I don't think #2 will come this week. After Wimbledon, maybe.

*Ljubica*
05-12-2008, 11:05 AM
I don't think #2 will come this week. After Wimbledon, maybe.

Yes - I think you're possibly right. I don't really see Nadal replicating his Wimbledon Final feats again this year :shrug: Not with Roddick playing better this year, and a few other players who excel on grass courts in the mix. I'm not sure how Nole feels about grass to be honest :shrug: But he's playing Queens, and then the grass court exhibition near my home the week before Wimby :), - so he must be making a concerted effort this year I think :)

neenah
05-12-2008, 08:14 PM
Not if Nadal gets far.

They're in the same half - a possible SF determining the #2 position.

I thought it was next week's rankings too :shrug: Though I'm not too good on all this seedings/rankings stuff. Personally, I don't think Nole will make Number 2 this week, but it doesn't bother me too much to be honest :shrug: (Am I the only one?). As far as I feel, he is by far the best player of the year so far, and will be the next Number 1 player for sure :) But it won't happen overnight - he has plenty of time to reach the Number 2 AND eventually the Number 1 spots - it will just take a little time, and be all the sweeter for the wait :)

I agree, he has so much time ahead of him it won't be a big deal if he can't do it now. The point is that one can say with very much confidence that Nole will most certainly hold #1 and of course #2 at some point in his career; no stress if it's not now ;)

kalisita
05-12-2008, 09:26 PM
I also don't think #2 will come this week. I hope it does though so Djokovic could be seeded 2nd for the French Open. If that does happen then we'd have to hope for a good draw at the FO and for Nadal to be in Federer's half. I wouldn't want him to hold it briefly then loose it back to Nadal after the French. I think it would probably be better if it happened after Wimbledon.

uglyamerican
05-16-2008, 03:25 PM
They're in the same half - a possible SF determining the #2 position.



and that is what we have---if Nadal can win today;)

neenah
05-16-2008, 08:52 PM
I'll admit - in the beginning of the week I didn't actually think this SF duel for #2 would happen! :eek:

Lee
05-16-2008, 09:19 PM
http://img2.menstennisforums.com/753/fechten2.gif

PennyThePenguin
05-17-2008, 03:25 AM
http://img2.menstennisforums.com/753/fechten2.gif

:haha: :haha: :haha: love that smiley

Scotso
05-17-2008, 05:41 AM
This is the most excitement the tour has had in the rankings department in three years.

C'mon Nole!

uglyamerican
06-06-2008, 03:55 PM
Top three Wimbledon seeds are set.

uglyamerican
08-01-2008, 03:16 PM
Novak needs to better Federer by 855 points from now until the end of the US Open, and he will catch up to the Swiss.

Jelena_78
08-01-2008, 04:50 PM
Novak needs to better Federer by 855 points from now until the end of the US Open, and he will catch up to the Swiss.

Hey Joe! :wavey:

Thanks for the info :)

kalisita
08-01-2008, 04:58 PM
If he wins today, I believe he'll be ahead of Fed in the ATP race. If not, he'll be like 2 pts behind. At least he's catching up there!

MIMIC
08-03-2008, 05:31 AM
Right now, Novak stands at 4,915 (entering the Cincinnati finals). I'm only aware of two upcoming tournaments (The Olympics and the U.S. Open). If Djokovic wins both and if Federer gets knocked out in the 1st round of each, Djokovic will lead Federer 5,615 to 4,870.

Not saying it's gonna happen but it's a mathematical possibility. :)

Scotso
08-03-2008, 05:52 AM
He's ahead in the race, he WILL pass Federer if they continue at this pace. :yeah:

savesthedizzle
08-03-2008, 12:30 PM
:rocker2:

uglyamerican
08-18-2008, 06:58 AM
Here are the 2 scenarios for Novak to pass Federer @ the US Open:

1)Novak wins the tournament; Federer does not make the finals

2)Novak reaches the finals; Federer does not make the QF

ellewoods
08-18-2008, 03:23 PM
scenario one is a real possibility!

njnetswill
08-18-2008, 04:08 PM
If Novak gets to be on Fed's half for once, we might have a SF battle for #2.

neenah
08-18-2008, 05:06 PM
While Federer was #1 and Nadal was #2 Novak seemed to fall in the bottom half, but just watch - now that Roger and Rafa have swapped places Nole will be in the top half. :lol:

uglyamerican
11-15-2008, 12:47 PM
The rankings switch is confusing. I'll try and make some estimates....

savesthedizzle
11-15-2008, 12:49 PM
JOE :D :worship:

kalisita
11-15-2008, 12:54 PM
The rankings switch is confusing. I'll try and make some estimates....

You are braver than me my friend. The ATP has been stingy with what exactly is going to happen so thinking about it makes me like this :smash:.

uglyamerican
11-15-2008, 02:26 PM
Okay....

If they do a general re-calculation in the off-season (rather than adjusting throughout 2009), here's my estimate of where they'll stand at the start of the season:

Nadal 11,700

Federer 8,705

Djokovic 8,520

I'll give the breakdown a little later.

Note: Novak would earn 500 points by winning the TMC final and pass Federer in this estimate.

savesthedizzle
11-15-2008, 08:50 PM
Hmmmm interesting. :unsure:

I really hate this whole changing of points.

Lee
11-15-2008, 10:49 PM
:o I am soooo behind what's happening to ATP. Any link to what the changes are?

kalisita
11-15-2008, 10:56 PM
:o I am soooo behind what's happening to ATP. Any link to what the changes are?

Here are a couple recent ones from ESPN. The ATP site is less than helpful thus far IMO.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/columns/story?columnist=kamakshi_tandon&id=3684481

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/columns/story?columnist=kamakshi_tandon&id=3686016

The big question right now is what they're going to do with the points exactly. It seems that they're just going to double the point total, but it may be possible that they're going to recalculate.

neenah
11-15-2008, 10:59 PM
I don't like how the points are changing. It will be hard to compare points players had in previous years - agonizing, in fact. :(

It wasn't broken, why fix it? :shrug:

Lee
11-15-2008, 11:07 PM
Here are a couple recent ones from ESPN. The ATP site is less than helpful thus far IMO.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/columns/story?columnist=kamakshi_tandon&id=3684481

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/columns/story?columnist=kamakshi_tandon&id=3686016

The big question right now is what they're going to do with the points exactly. It seems that they're just going to double the point total, but it may be possible that they're going to recalculate.

Thanks for the link. ATP loves to confuse tennis fans. :rolleyes:

kalisita
11-15-2008, 11:10 PM
I don't like how the points are changing. It will be hard to compare points players had in previous years - agonizing, in fact. :(

It wasn't broken, why fix it? :shrug:

So we could have great new names like "Masters 1000s" or "World Tour Finals" aka "WTF". Much better than Masters X or the Masters Cup. Plus writing on the net as well! :woohoo: 2010 will probably bring logos on the court itself! Can't wait. :yeah:

Lee
11-15-2008, 11:13 PM
So we could have great new names like "Masters 1000s" or "World Tour Finals" aka "WTF". Much better than Masters X or the Masters Cup. Plus writing on the net as well! :woohoo: 2010 will probably bring logos on the court itself! Can't wait. :yeah:

That's absolute genius if you ask me. :haha:

uglyamerican
11-16-2008, 07:58 AM
The big question right now is what they're going to do with the points exactly. It seems that they're just going to double the point total, but it may be possible that they're going to recalculate.

Different tournaments will be worth different amounts. For example, Queen's and Halle will go from 225-point tournaments to 250-point tournaments. So that's a downgrade for them, considering the Slams and Masters are roughly doubled.

neenah
11-16-2008, 03:17 PM
So we could have great new names like "Masters 1000s" or "World Tour Finals" aka "WTF". Much better than Masters X or the Masters Cup. Plus writing on the net as well! :woohoo: 2010 will probably bring logos on the court itself! Can't wait. :yeah:

"WTF" :haha: :haha:

uglyamerican
01-13-2009, 03:47 AM
3 matches away from #2 ranking!

ellewoods
01-13-2009, 09:03 AM
This is good - if he gets to #2 but does not have to be seeded #2 with the possibility of facing Murray ie the hot favourite. Adje Nole!!

uglyamerican
01-13-2009, 07:43 PM
This is good - if he gets to #2 but does not have to be seeded #2 with the possibility of facing Murray ie the hot favourite. Adje Nole!!

I never thought of it that way. You made me think, today. :wavey:

shuhrat
01-13-2009, 10:39 PM
This year ranking points is eliminated before a tournament starting. :confused:
Then even if he wins the title it won't be possible.

kalisita
01-13-2009, 11:06 PM
This year ranking points is eliminated before a tournament starting. :confused:
Then even if he wins the title it won't be possible.

Last year the season started on 12/31/2008. This year it started on 1/4/2009, so the schedule is a week behind last years, which means last year's points are coming off a week before the same tournament is played this year. This will probably vary throughout the year, i.e. it looks like back on schedule for IW/Miami but back off for Monte Carlo back on for FO.

Regarding the ranking, I think it is possible for him to reach #2 after this week. The AO last year started on the 14th and ended on the 26th. This year it'll start on the 19th and end on the 31st. Points come off after a year from when the tournament ended (:scratch:), which would be after the first week of the AO this year. So I think he won't lose AO points on the new rankings released Monday. (I do not swear that this is right. Hopefully someone will be able to confirm or refute.)

shuhrat
01-13-2009, 11:27 PM
Oh, got it! I suppose you're right. :)

uglyamerican
01-14-2009, 12:19 AM
Last year the season started on 12/31/2008. This year it started on 1/4/2009, so the schedule is a week behind last years, which means last year's points are coming off a week before the same tournament is played this year. This will probably vary throughout the year, i.e. it looks like back on schedule for IW/Miami but back off for Monte Carlo back on for FO.

Regarding the ranking, I think it is possible for him to reach #2 after this week. The AO last year started on the 14th and ended on the 26th. This year it'll start on the 19th and end on the 31st. Points come off after a year from when the tournament ended (:scratch:), which would be after the first week of the AO this year. So I think he won't lose AO points on the new rankings released Monday. (I do not swear that this is right. Hopefully someone will be able to confirm or refute.)

Right. There are no rankings in the middle of Grand Slams, so the AO points will wait to come off until the tourney is over.

So, Vina del Mar '08 (played one week after AO '08) and AO '08 will both come off as the AO '09 go on.

Here's a link to help:

http://stevegtennis.com/thisweek+.htm

uglyamerican
01-14-2009, 12:23 AM
More...

Novak is 110 points behind going into this week. Neither he, nor Federer are defending any points. Novak's lowest result in an "optional" is 30 points, so he has to improve the 30 points space into 140 points. Sydney Final appearance is worth 150 points.

kalisita
04-05-2009, 09:18 PM
Nole is now at 9010 pts and Murray is at 8840 pts. The next tournament for both is Monte Carlo. Nole is defending SF pts and Murray is defending R16 pts. If you take those off, Nole is at 8560 and Murray is at 8690. That means that even if Murray lost in the first round, Nole would have to make the quarters to remain #3. From the quarters on, Nole would have to go a round better than Murray to remain 3.

Federer is not playing Monte Carlo so he'll lose his finalist points. But, even winning Monte Carlo would not be enough for either Nole or Murray to overtake Federer.

Noleta
04-05-2009, 09:28 PM
Nole is now at 9010 pts and Murray is at 8840 pts. The next tournament for both is Monte Carlo. Nole is defending SF pts and Murray is defending R16 pts. If you take those off, Nole is at 8560 and Murray is at 8690. That means that even if Murray lost in the first round, Nole would have to make the quarters to remain #3. From the quarters on, Nole would have to go a round better than Murray to remain 3.

Federer is not playing Monte Carlo so he'll lose his finalist points. But, even winning Monte Carlo would not be enough for either Nole or Murray to overtake Federer.

Thanks:)well what can i say Fed not being there will be a good chance for Novak to reach the final but we're talking about vintage Djokovic not the one of this year:sad:

pica_pica
04-06-2009, 12:34 PM
No Rafa before final, that is an improvement.
But either Murray and Del Potro can be tough, assuming they both have improved significantly on clay, and there are always some lower-ranked clay-court experts like Almagro, Robredo, Monfils, etc.

Lee
04-19-2009, 06:00 PM
Nole gained 150 points in Monte Carlo from last year. So he will have 9160.

Murray gained 210 points and will have 9050.

Next tournament for them is Madrid which replace Hamburg. Again Nole has 450 points from SF in Hamburg to defend while Murray has 150. Unless Murry really sucks there, he's going to pass Nole. What really sucks in this year is, unless you defend your title or better than last year, you're still going to lose points. e.g. even Nole made SF in Madrid, he will only gain 360 points instead of 450.

Edit: Rome, not Madrid.

~Maya~
04-19-2009, 08:06 PM
Lee, isn't Rome next? :confused:

kalisita
04-19-2009, 08:49 PM
Rome next. Then Madrid. All these calandar changes got everyone confused.

pica_pica
04-19-2009, 09:52 PM
Someone should change the thread title??

arm
04-19-2009, 10:17 PM
:spit: Yes, we could use a title change. :awww:

Lee
04-19-2009, 11:42 PM
Lee, isn't Rome next? :confused:

Rome next. Then Madrid. All these calandar changes got everyone confused.

Sorry for the confusion as I was totally confused and messed up by the calendar change. Yes, it should be Rome instead of Madrid.

kalisita
04-20-2009, 12:44 AM
Someone should change the thread title??

Uglyamerican started the thread. I don't think he/she is a regular poster here, at least not anymore. :shrug: Name change may be difficult.

Lee
04-20-2009, 04:26 AM
Uglyamerican started the thread. I don't think he/she is a regular poster here, at least not anymore. :shrug: Name change may be difficult.

I asked Jess to change the title. Not sure she if she saw my PM :o

savesthedizzle
04-20-2009, 04:54 AM
I asked Jess to change the title. Not sure she if she saw my PM :o

Yes. I saw it. I had literally 75 other PMs in my box so it did take a second. Oh, and I also worked 12 hours straight today and have to go in early tomorrow.

I'll get on that right now.

Lee
04-20-2009, 05:15 AM
Yes. I saw it. I had literally 75 other PMs in my box so it did take a second. Oh, and I also worked 12 hours straight today and have to go in early tomorrow.

I'll get on that right now.

Thanks! :hug:

You're running TT this week? :p

savesthedizzle
04-20-2009, 05:18 AM
Yes. Barcelona. 64 players in singles and 32 doubles teams, some of which do not overlap with the 64 players in singles :smash:

Oh, and it's now almost 12:30, and I have to get up at 4:30 to do differences and then leave for work at 6.

:bigcry: why do I do this to myself?

Lee
04-20-2009, 05:21 AM
:awww: :hug:

savesthedizzle
04-20-2009, 05:22 AM
WHY AM I STILL ON MTF. OMG I NEED TO GO TO BED :bigcry:

Lee
04-20-2009, 05:24 AM
WHY AM I STILL ON MTF. OMG I NEED TO GO TO BED :bigcry:

You're an addict :o

savesthedizzle
04-20-2009, 05:25 AM
I'm just not sleepy. I didn't get home from work til about 10:40, so I haven't fully relaxed yet.. you know? Bah. I am full of energy.

Lee
04-20-2009, 05:30 AM
I don't know how you can get up at 4:30 then. :tape: I am very sleepy but it's only 9:30pm here. I don't want to go to bed now because I will definitely wake up in the middle of the night. Like 4:30am. :p

savesthedizzle
04-20-2009, 05:30 AM
I don't know how you can get up at 4:30 then. :tape: I am very sleepy but it's only 9:30pm here. I don't want to go to bed now because I will definitely wake up in the middle of the night. Like 4:30am. :p

I will already be at work by the time it's 4:30 am for you :bigcry: :bigcry:

ellewoods
04-21-2009, 11:51 AM
From Novak's official site:


Novak still third in singles, improved in doubles to no.204!
On the latest ATP Ranking list, announced on Monday, April 20th, Novak is still no.3 in singles. He has 9520 points, 570 more than world no.4 Andy Murray.

Djokovic climbed two places higher on the latest this year’s ATP race list, and he’s now ranked third with 2420 points, right behind Nadal and Federer.

Novak made the greatest improvement in the doubles. He moved from no.563 to no.204 (510 points) after the success in Monte Carlo, where he reached semifinals in pair with Viktor Troicki.

Singles Ranking list:

1. Rafael Nadal 15.390
2. Roger Federer 10.760
3. Novak Djokovic 9.520
4. Andy Murray 8.950
5. Juan Martin del Potro 4.580
6. Andy Roddick 4.340
7. Fernando Verdasco 3.790
8. Nikolay Davydenko 3.675
9. Gilles Simon 3.670
10. Gael Monfils 3.460

pica_pica
04-21-2009, 04:22 PM
But after this week points from 2008 Monte Carlo will fall off.
Fed, Nole and Muzza will be very close to one another.
From some reports they say Murray can even pass Federer in the coming 4 weeks :scared:

Noleta
04-22-2009, 05:02 PM
The ranking system is very cruel:bigcry:

pica_pica
04-22-2009, 07:15 PM
Hey dear Nole fans we should focus on the Race list now.....
Nole is back at #3 in the Race :)

Rank Player Points
1 Rafael Nadal (ESP) 4605
2 Andy Murray (GBR) 2980
3 Novak Djokovic (SRB) 2430
4 Roger Federer (SUI) 2100
5 Andy Roddick (USA) 2080

IMO Nole can pass Murray in the Race soon, if he keeps performing better than Murray on clay. Plus Nole plays one more tournament (Belgrade)

Noleta
04-23-2009, 04:42 PM
http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/1/en/news/newsarticle_3289.asp

Shark Bites
April 20, 2009

Three-Way Race For No. 2 Heating Up Leading Into Roland Garros © ATP
ATP stats and information guru Greg Sharko looks at the numbers behind the stories of the ATP World Tour in his regular column, 'Shark Bites'.
The No. 2 position in the South African Airways ATP Rankings has been occupied by Roger Federer or Rafael Nadal for every week since July 25, 2005.

But that may soon be changing with No. 3 Novak Djokovic and No. 4 Andy Murray in pursuit. In fact, Djokovic has been one match win away three times since May 2008 of becoming No. 2, only to lose the opportunity.

After ATP World Tour No. 1 Rafael Nadal began his clay court campaign with a record fifth consecutive title at the Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters and strengthened his lead at the top, the battle for No. 2 going into Roland Garros is underway.

Murray, who has held No. 4 for 32 consecutive weeks since Sept. 8, 2008, is off to a career-best 29-3 start, and he's closing quickly on Djokovic. The 21-year-old Serb has ranked No. 3 every week since July 9, 2007 except one (Aug. 6, ’07).

With the 2008 Monte-Carlo points dropping off next Monday, Federer will lose 700 points, Djokovic 450 points and Murray 150 points. Murray will narrow the gap to 110 points going into the fourth ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournament in Rome, which begins Apr. 27.

Here is what the trio's point totals will look like in next Monday's South African Airways 2009 ATP Rankings:

Ranking Points
2) Roger Federer 10,060
3) Novak Djokovic 9,160
4) Andy Murray 9,050


Rome was held one week later last year and the 2008 points will drop on May 11 with Djokovic losing 1,000 points for his title, Federer 250 and Murray 70. Here are the minimum point totals (without the '09 Rome points added on May 4 and Belgrade points on May 11):

Ranking Points
2) Roger Federer 9,810
3) Andy Murray 8,980
4) Novak Djokovic 8,160

The following week on May 18, the points from 2008 Hamburg will drop with Federer losing 700 points from his runner-up effort, Djokovic 450 points from the semi-finals and Murray 150 points from the third round. Here are the minimum point totals (without the '09 Rome, Belgrade and Madrid points added):

Ranking Points
2) Roger Federer 9,110
3) Andy Murray 8,830
4) Novak Djokovic 7,710


In 2009, Nadal and Murray have accumulated the most points in nearly four months of action (as of Apr. 20) with both players leading the ATP World Tour with three titles and a 29-3 match record. Here's a look at the Top 5 players based on 2009 results only:

Ranking Points
1) Rafael Nadal 4,605
2) Andy Murray 2,980
3) Novak Djokovic 2,420
4) Roger Federer 2,100
5) Andy Roddick 2,000

All that hard work for nothing whe next weeks the points will dropp off:mad::sobbing: Novak have to win each match from now on to ensure he's still 3rd the only positive from this he can look at Rafa who was in the same situation last year and yet maintained his 2d place and gone on to be number1:p

Amber Spyglass
05-08-2009, 11:51 PM
If nole was to win belgrade and get to the semis in madrid and murray got to the semis or final in madrid does anyone know what kind of gap would be in the rankings then

kalisita
05-09-2009, 12:11 AM
I don't know exactly, but here's what Duong wrote in GM rankings thread:

To take back his number 3 one week later (after Madrid), Djokovic has to reach the final in Madrid anyway, and it may well not be enough.

Here's what he has to do :

- win Madrid and Belgrade if Murray reaches the final in Madrid
- win Madrid if Murray reaches the semifinal
- go to the final in Madrid and win Belgrade if Murray loses in the quarterfinals in Madrid
- go to the final in Madrid and go to the final in Belgrade if Murray loses in the second round in Madrid
- go to the final in Madrid if Murray loses in the first round

Djokovic cannot be number 2 seed in Roland-Garros.

Murray can be number 2 seed in Roland-Garros if he wins in Madrid and Federer doesn't reach the final.

Lee
05-09-2009, 12:12 AM
On May 11th, if Nole win Serbia Open, he will have 8920 points. Murray will have 8990 points.

Murray will drop 150 points from Hamburg 2008 ---> 8840 points
Nole will drop 450 points --------------------------------> 8470 points

If both made semis, Nole will be 370 points behind. If Murray in final, Nole will be 520 points behind.

Amber Spyglass
05-09-2009, 11:52 AM
On May 11th, if Nole win Serbia Open, he will have 8920 points. Murray will have 8990 points.

Murray will drop 150 points from Hamburg 2008 ---> 8840 points
Nole will drop 450 points --------------------------------> 8470 points

If both made semis, Nole will be 370 points behind. If Murray in final, Nole will be 520 points behind.
Thanks for the info,its going to be more of the same in RG murray with loads of points to gain:mad: so it really looks like nole won't have a chance to get his ranking back until after wombles and even then murray is only defending quarters so he is probably going to improve on that and he will surely get to the final of queens this year,yet even more points

p.s I really should try being optimistic:angel:

Noleta
05-09-2009, 02:42 PM
On May 11th, if Nole win Serbia Open, he will have 8920 points. Murray will have 8990 points.

Murray will drop 150 points from Hamburg 2008 ---> 8840 points
Nole will drop 450 points --------------------------------> 8470 points

If both made semis, Nole will be 370 points behind. If Murray in final, Nole will be 520 points behind.

As i said this system isn't made to protect players who worked theire arse off last year:rolleyes:basically Murray could reach the number 2 in the rankings without having to win a tournament on clay as both Roger and Novak have many points to deffend:cool:

kalisita
05-09-2009, 03:20 PM
At least Nole is still very far away from #5. He's doing well on clay regardless of dropping in the rankings. Hopefully he finishes the clay season strong. And then he doesn't have as much to defend so he can gain points while Murray has a lot to defend. Just got to hope he continues to play well off clay.

Noleta
05-09-2009, 03:36 PM
At least Nole is still very far away from #5. He's doing well on clay regardless of dropping in the rankings. Hopefully he finishes the clay season strong. And then he doesn't have as much to defend so he can gain points while Murray has a lot to defend. Just got to hope he continues to play well off clay.

Humm i don't trust Novak with that racket on HC:scared:he seem to have more control with it on clay

uglyamerican
01-10-2010, 07:41 PM
Things to ponder for the Australian.

Federer will be number 1 after the Australian regardless of what happens.

For Novak to become number 2:

-Novak wins the tournament
-Novak loses to anyone except Nadal in the final
-Novak loses in SF, Nadal does not win tournament
-Novak loses in QF; Nadal loses in SF or earlier; Murray doesn't win tournament
-Novak loses in R16 or R32; Nadal loses in SF or earler; Murray or Del Potro doesn't win tournament
-Novak loses in first or second round; Nadal loses in QF or earlier; Murray or Del Potro doesn't win tournament

For Novak to hold off Murray and Del Potro:
-Murray wins tournament, Novak must make SF
-Del Potro wins tournament, Novak must make QF
-neither Murray or Del Potro wins tournament

Noleta
01-10-2010, 08:13 PM
I like the last sentence:D

kalisita
01-10-2010, 08:24 PM
:lol: Noleta.

It'd be nice to see him move up the rankings. Seems like he has a good chance to in the beginning of the season and not just at the AO. Never know what'll happen though so talking about it makes me :scared:. :o

Noleta
01-10-2010, 08:35 PM
Nole seems to hit the wall,everytime he's about to be number 2:shrug:

*Ljubica*
01-10-2010, 08:42 PM
:lol: Noleta.

It'd be nice to see him move up the rankings. Seems like he has a good chance to in the beginning of the season and not just at the AO. Never know what'll happen though so talking about it makes me :scared:. :o

Hi Kalisita :wavey: And same for me - everytime Nole gets so close to Number 2, something goes wrong - it's too scary for me to contemplate right now - don't even want to think about it til after it happens (if it happens).

pica_pica
01-11-2010, 05:37 AM
This year's AO is wide open and there are so many scenarios for the rankings at the top! :eek: Can't wait for it to start right away :rocker:

uglyamerican
01-26-2010, 11:55 AM
Things to ponder for the Australian.

Federer will be number 1 after the Australian regardless of what happens.

For Novak to become number 2:

-Novak wins the tournament
-Novak loses to anyone except Nadal in the final
-Novak loses in SF, Nadal does not win tournament
-Novak loses in QF; Nadal loses in SF or earlier; Murray doesn't win tournament
-Novak loses in R16 or R32; Nadal loses in SF or earler; Murray or Del Potro doesn't win tournament
-Novak loses in first or second round; Nadal loses in QF or earlier; Murray or Del Potro doesn't win tournament

For Novak to hold off Murray and Del Potro:
-Murray wins tournament, Novak must make SF
-Del Potro wins tournament, Novak must make QF
-neither Murray or Del Potro wins tournament

Matters have been simplified! Novak needs to beat Tsonga, or have Murray fail to win the title.

**As you might have heard/read, it would be possible for Novak to be #1 if he wins the tournament and Federer loses to Davydenko. (I figured that since Nadal couldn't catch Federer, he had it wrapped up. I never considered that Novak was even mathematically in reach of the top!!!)

acd692
01-26-2010, 09:50 PM
do you think novak can win the tournament:)?

Noleta
01-26-2010, 10:10 PM
do you think novak can win the tournament:)?

He need to beat Konga first;)

B.Bojan
01-27-2010, 07:16 PM
I need a confirmation please. Muzz with AO title has 8600. However, he's not on the list for Rotterdam, so he loses 500 points. Will Novak rise to #2 on the rankings after Rotterdam (regardless of his result there)?

uglyamerican
01-29-2010, 07:59 AM
I need a confirmation please. Muzz with AO title has 8600. However, he's not on the list for Rotterdam, so he loses 500 points. Will Novak rise to #2 on the rankings after Rotterdam (regardless of his result there)?

Let's see...
Murray will lose 500 for Rotterdam. He's got no back-up points in the 500 category (extra tournaments he's not counting). There are no other 500 tournaments between now and then. Novak will not lose any points before then.

Looks like you are correct! Unless Murray gets a late Wild Card somewhere, Novak will be #2 in 15 Feb. rankings.

Good work. 5 gold stars for you, Бојан.

shuhrat
02-01-2010, 06:14 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=208800&stc=1&d=1265004764

It's official now!! :bounce::bounce:

"I am happy to go one more step in my career and get even closer to one of my life time goals which is to become #1. This career high ranking is important for the moment since I had been close before. It was unfortunate for me this Australian Open, a tournament that really got me to one of my peaks so far, but that's how the competition is. I am now back at home and soon resuming practice so I can compete" said Novak for his official website.

Lee
02-01-2010, 06:24 AM
With his outstanding record in defending his titles, Nole needs to play well in Rotterdam to maintain his #2 ranking. :o

shuhrat
02-01-2010, 06:38 AM
With his outstanding record in defending his titles, Nole needs to play well in Rotterdam to maintain his #2 ranking. :o
Hope the girls won't distract Nole from the work too much. :unsure: :p
I'll enjoy it while it lasts though. :)

kalisita
02-01-2010, 07:07 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=208800&stc=1&d=1265004764

It's official now!! :bounce::bounce:

:aparty: :dance: :aparty:

With his outstanding record in defending his titles, Nole needs to play well in Rotterdam to maintain his #2 ranking. :o

Yeah, it definitely makes Rotterdam more important to me than it normally would be. Hopefully he'll do well there.

ellen_
02-01-2010, 02:09 PM
It looks so good :cool:

Amber Spyglass
02-01-2010, 04:26 PM
As much as this makes me happy,we have to admit it is a bit of a farce :tape:.I mean we joke about Nole being rubbish at defending titles but it's as if Murray is even worse.By pulling out of all the tournies he pulled out of it's like he gets beaten in the first round of everything he defends,Shanghai,Doha and now Rotterdam,if he had played any of those we know he would have at the very least got to quarters,most likely more so Murray would have been No. 2 right now

shuhrat
02-01-2010, 05:17 PM
As for HC instead of Doha, I guess it was more about PR move as something like representing the country and playing with their endearing upcoming star, etc., which is good for him from a long term perspective anyway. And to be fair, who would have thought these kind of things would happen 3~6 months later. Just a bad luck with scheduling. Moreover since he's already reached No.2 before I don't thinks it's a big deal for him, compared with other stuff like grand slam title.

Nolby
02-01-2010, 06:03 PM
Nole is in a great position to hang on to the #2 spot for awhile now, as he was already in a good position even if Murray had won the AO. I'm too tired and it's too confusing to go through it all now, but the gist of it is that Nole has two chances to maintain his third ATP500 Victory points at Rotterdam and Dubai (Dubai Victory will drop off) and he has the Beijing and Basel ATP500 victory points sitting in his stack of points until late fall. Rafa is missing Rotterdam and hoping for an Indian Wells/Miami Masters comeback.

The four players after Roger are defending this many points at the upcoming Indian Wells and Miami 1000 Masters events:

#2 Nole - defends 780 points at the two Masters
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Novak-Djokovic.aspx?t=rb

#3 Murray - defends 1600 points at the two Masters
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx?t=rb

#4 Nadal - defends 1180 points at the two Masters
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Rafael-Nadal.aspx?t=rb

#5 Del Potro - defends 540 points at the two Masters (but almost 2000 pts behind Nole)
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Juan-Martin-Del-Potro.aspx?t=rb

Nole has the best chance to pad and increase his lead. Next up, Roger Federer! :rocker2:

Just had to post the following:
http://i45.tinypic.com/9rlpxj.jpg

Nolby
02-01-2010, 06:22 PM
As much as this makes me happy,we have to admit it is a bit of a farce :tape:.I mean we joke about Nole being rubbish at defending titles but it's as if Murray is even worse.By pulling out of all the tournies he pulled out of it's like he gets beaten in the first round of everything he defends,Shanghai,Doha and now Rotterdam,if he had played any of those we know he would have at the very least got to quarters,most likely more so Murray would have been No. 2 right now

One thing in Nole's defense on him backing into the #2 because Rafa and Andy got injured again last year. Nobody even was close to Nole in the number of matches played last year. Ironically, he was the Ironman for 2009 playing 97 matches. The same argument that gives Federer credit for staying healthy and not losing points due to injury should also be applied and credited to Nole too.

The game he is playing right now is obviously not wearing him down to the point of injury as it has done to other players. That is all part of the game. The wrist injuries Murray keeps experiencing that have taken him out for long stretches numerous times now and the knee injuries Rafa keeps getting maligned with are not flukes; they are chronic and due to the way they play the game. If Nole can maintain his overall health (sour stomachs heal faster :lol: ), he should be credited for having the strength and stamina that is a necessary ingredient for the top ranked players in the world.

Amber Spyglass
02-01-2010, 07:20 PM
One thing in Nole's defense on him backing into the #2 because Rafa and Andy got injured again last year. Nobody even was close to Nole in the number of matches played last year. Ironically, he was the Ironman for 2009 playing 97 matches. The same argument that gives Federer credit for staying healthy and not losing points due to injury should also be applied and credited to Nole too.

The game he is playing right now is obviously not wearing him down to the point of injury as it has done to other players. That is all part of the game. The wrist injuries Murray keeps experiencing that have taken him out for long stretches numerous times now and the knee injuries Rafa keeps getting maligned with are not flukes; they are chronic and due to the way they play the game. If Nole can maintain his overall health (sour stomachs heal faster :lol: ), he should be credited for having the strength and stamina that is a necessary ingredient for the top ranked players in the world.

Yeah I agree with what you're saying,I think it's a credit to Nole that he has managed to stay injury free(touches wood :p) and I think that Nole deserved to take the 3rd spot off Murray when he pulled out of shanghai,injuries are part of the game.But I do think that he was a little fortuanate that Murray decided not to defend Rotterdam or Doha,anyway things are going to get very interesting in the masters 1000 events with the new ranking system,a lot of possible matches between Andy and Novak,surely one or two between this and the French

Noleta
02-01-2010, 09:04 PM
At last,he is the second best player in the world,doesn't matter how he got there,the points shows he was very consistent last year.Not his fault Murray pulled out of Rotterdam/Poor Rafa getting injured yet again....Hope he'll back it up with some serious tennis now.Ajde:rocker2:

pica_pica
02-02-2010, 05:57 AM
I like the positive atmosphere here :D

TBH, I don't think we have a good idea about Nole's form this year yet. During AO he either played non-seeded players or was sick...that gives me reason to look forward to Rotterdam! :cool:

~Maya~
02-03-2010, 03:06 AM
Novak keeps talking about the pressure and burden of expectations. Lets see how Nole will deal with pressure and expectations of being number 2 now :unsure:

Iluzionista
02-03-2010, 03:45 PM
I think he's crazy if he feels pressured. I mean, this is one of the best days of your life. Just enjoy and use the momentum!

kalisita
05-21-2010, 05:02 PM
Article on #1 from ATP site. http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/DEUCE-Tennis/DEUCE-May-2010/Shark-Bites.aspx

Here are the scenarios based on the points table below:
- Federer will remain No. 1 if he reaches the semi-finals but anything less and Nadal wins the title, then the Spaniard regains No. 1.
- Nadal must win the title and have Federer lose before the semi-finals to take over No. 1.
- Djokovic must win the title and have Federer lose before the quarter-finals.

Noleta
05-21-2010, 05:18 PM
Thanks Kali,we can only dream of that happening,ni?:p

carlhiro
05-21-2010, 06:54 PM
Article on #1 from ATP site. http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/DEUCE-Tennis/DEUCE-May-2010/Shark-Bites.aspx

Here are the scenarios based on the points table below:
- Djokovic must win the title and have Federer lose before the quarter-finals.

Nole winning and Federer losing before QFs can't co-exist. :haha:

minh
05-22-2010, 03:48 AM
Nole winning and Federer losing before QFs can't co-exist. :haha:
nothing is impossible, nothing is unreachable:wavey:

uglyamerican
06-30-2010, 04:02 PM
Did Novak just put Fed into the 3 spot?

yes!

kalisita
06-30-2010, 04:05 PM
Yep, looks like it.

JamesLaRosa

Novak Djokovic will be ranked higher than Roger Federer on Monday. Somebody call 911.

Noleta
06-30-2010, 04:07 PM
Did Novak just put Fed into the 3 spot?

yes!

I believe Roger had more to do with it than Novak;)

shuhrat
06-30-2010, 04:20 PM
I don't mean any disrespect, but it's WTA-like in some ways. :p

Noleta
06-30-2010, 04:27 PM
^^:lol:

Lee
06-30-2010, 04:39 PM
Well, Federer has too many points to defend and he's not doing it. :shrug:

If Murray wins Wimbledon, will he pass Nole in ranking?

kalisita
06-30-2010, 04:42 PM
I don't think so. I think the best Murray can do is 4.

EDIT: from rankings thread: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10096067&postcount=991

Soderling is provisionally in the Top 4

BUT he could be passed by Murray
or even one of three others if they win the event

pica_pica
07-01-2010, 05:57 PM
For the first time, Nole'll be ranked higher than Roger! :eek:

Roger will have a harder time trying to tie/beat Sampras record of no. of weeks at No.1

Congrats Nole for being #2 again! :)

Florida
11-15-2010, 03:02 PM
Well earlier in the season, Federer had a lot of points to defend and was not able to do it and therefore, Nole took over the #2 ranking! Now, Nole had a lot of points to defend and apparently was not able to do it and as a result lost a lot of point and just about to loose his #3 ranking and possibly finish the year as #5????? Cannot even invision it, but I am afraid it will happen.

With Solderling overtaking Murray's #4 ranking, both Sod and Murray are breating down Nole's neck. Now the draw for London will be atrocious for Nole!!!!!!!!!! With Solderling in the #4 spot Nole could get the kiss of death group with Nadal/Federer and Murray, Rodick.......

I don't want to be pesimistic, but I don't expect too much from him in London..... He could only fall in ranking...... Seems like DC may save the season, only if Serbia wins. If not, I forsee Nole being an unhappy camper as well as us with him..... He will remember this season, by devoting himself to DC and will regret not thinking about his own season/ranking/career!!!!!!!! Sorry this is how I feel and let's hope he proves me wrong!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers for a hopefully decent end of the below average season!!!!!

mlle mila
11-15-2010, 06:26 PM
number 5 :eek::scared: Djokovic you better do something in London :armed:
Florida i feel the same for the DC , Janko and Viktor should help Novak he can't do it alone .

Nole fan
11-16-2010, 12:13 PM
I expect a lot more from Novak in London, have faith guys. I think the extra rest he got from Paris will be great for him. And a draw with Nadal and Berdych is not so bad...

Blugoldjoe
05-17-2011, 11:45 AM
Haha, my old thread. Novak will be #1 unless Nadal wins RG, and novak doesn't make the finals!

Nole fan
05-17-2011, 12:25 PM
Number 1. That sounds about right. :D

shuhrat
07-01-2011, 05:21 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218106&stc=1&d=1309537194

July 1st, 2011.

Finally ;)

asmazif
07-01-2011, 05:33 PM
it has actually happened.

Congrats kid, your day has finally come:

RwXh0kRjxPU

shuhrat
07-01-2011, 05:58 PM
No.1Vak: Novak Djokovic on top of the world!

m5uTJJm7Thw

:aparty::cheerleader::bounce::cheerleader::aparty:

Bj÷rki
07-01-2011, 06:05 PM
:woohoo:

Nole :worship:

pica_pica
07-01-2011, 10:51 PM
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/pica_pica_ajde/New-World-Number-One-FullWallpaper.jpg
:woohoo: :woohoo: Can't express my joy right now :)

Nole fan
07-03-2011, 12:44 AM
Great one Pica!

shuhrat
07-04-2011, 01:37 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218352&stc=1&d=1309783023

http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218351&stc=1&d=1309782827

:dance: