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Who's better, Roddick or Berdych?

lordmanji
10-23-2006, 08:00 AM
Watch their Madrid Masters match, 1st set. They went to tiebreak, 7-6(8) Berdych. Just by the scoreline they were evenly matched: they both have big serves that win or setup easy points, Roddick has slightly better movement but Berdych hits bigger on both wings. I'd say Roddick is more consistent in performance though Berdych at 21 has more potential. Volley skills about the same. Mentally, I'd go with Roddick. He's been number one and has a grandslam. But it's hard to see Berdych winning one now in the Fed era.

Allure
10-23-2006, 08:06 AM
Berdych.

moon language
10-23-2006, 08:27 AM
I'd give the edge to Berdych, though Roddick can get so much done with that serve when it's on it's hard to say.

I think Berdych has better groundstrokes. Roddick's supposedly good side (forehand) has not impressed me that much recently.

Loremaster
10-23-2006, 09:16 AM
Roddick is much better, look at the ranking , and at 21 Roddick was no.1 and 2TMS and Grandslam winner, an he is contender to titles, Berdych is only one of the young guns and not the best, in my opinion Nadal, Gasquet and Bahgdtais have better game then Berdych

TennisGrandSlam
10-23-2006, 10:11 AM
Berdych, maybe Gasquet

oz_boz
10-23-2006, 10:48 AM
I think Berdych's best is better than Roddick's, but Roddick is better overall thanks to his consistency - as the rankings show.

Cpomparing them at a similar age is easier, Roddick had achieved a lot more at 21. Anyway I hope Berdych will be capable of a GS win eventually, he's a bit of a headcase but has certain mental strengths as well - otherwise he wouldn't have won Paris and 100% of his five set matches.

Fed-Express
10-23-2006, 11:05 AM
Roddick is much better, look at the ranking , and at 21 Roddick was no.1 and 2TMS and Grandslam winner
You cannot argue like that. When Roddick was 21 there was no insanely dominant player like today. Nonetheless he has to be considered the better player atm, but I think in a few months time it will be vice-versa.

Rommella
10-23-2006, 11:45 AM
Berdych is better, notwithstanding Roddick's better results for now. Roddick may have a faster serve but delivery-wise, Berdych's service motion is more fluid and smoother -- he can disguise it better than Roddick and has more variations. Roddick's forehand is the steadier for now but on the backhand side, I'd tip it for Berdych. Volley-wise, Berdych times his forays to the net way better than Roddick.

stebs
10-23-2006, 11:53 AM
Roddick just shades it for me.

disturb3d
10-23-2006, 11:53 AM
Berdych is better, notwithstanding Roddick's better results for now. Roddick may have a faster serve but delivery-wise, Berdych's service motion is more fluid and smoother -- he can disguise it better than Roddick and has more variations. Roddick's forehand is the steadier for now but on the backhand side, I'd tip it for Berdych. Volley-wise, Berdych times his forays to the net way better than Roddick.Precisely, Jason Goodall.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-23-2006, 12:44 PM
Berdych

LilyRoseAva
10-23-2006, 01:40 PM
berdych too

Scotso
10-23-2006, 01:48 PM
Berdych.

Libelle
10-23-2006, 01:49 PM
Berdych.

AnnaK_4ever
10-23-2006, 01:59 PM
A-Rod all the way! :rocker:

TMs
10-23-2006, 02:01 PM
I dislike Roddick pretty much, so I don't now if my opinion count here.

For me, Berdych is better than Andy. Better player, worse results.

Just Cause
10-23-2006, 04:04 PM
That's stupid, Roddick already got a grand slam at his age....Berdych only ONLY has a TMS, PLUS﹐ he is nothot at all, no offense:).

That tennis kid
10-23-2006, 05:10 PM
That's stupid, Roddick already got a grand slam at his age....Berdych only ONLY has a TMS, PLUS﹐ he is nothot at all, no offense:).

Michael Chang won a Grand Slam at a younger age than Bjorn Borg - does that make him better?

GlennMirnyi
10-23-2006, 05:12 PM
Technically, Berdych.

Naranoc
10-23-2006, 05:14 PM
PLUS﹐ he is nothot at all, no offense

What has that got to do with anything? :confused:

El Legenda
10-23-2006, 05:16 PM
Berdych...

Checho
10-23-2006, 05:20 PM
Technically Berdych is better than Roddick, but Berdych wasn't the nº 1 of the world and he didn't won any Grand Slam. Because of that Roddick is much better than Berdych.

PamV
10-23-2006, 05:26 PM
Watch their Madrid Masters match, 1st set. They went to tiebreak, 7-6(8) Berdych. Just by the scoreline they were evenly matched: they both have big serves that win or setup easy points, Roddick has slightly better movement but Berdych hits bigger on both wings. I'd say Roddick is more consistent in performance though Berdych at 21 has more potential. Volley skills about the same. Mentally, I'd go with Roddick. He's been number one and has a grandslam. But it's hard to see Berdych winning one now in the Fed era.

I agree for the most part. I think Berdych is a better volleyer, being taller helps.

I think the main difference is the consistency. Berdych can look brilliant in a couple of matches and then totally off as he did against Gonzalez in the Madrid tournament. From what I saw of Berdych against Nadal and Roddick he is better able to come up with a big shot at an important moment in a TB or game than is Roddick. Roddick is more likely to get nervous on a big point......but Roddick is more consistent, playing the same from match to match.

PamV
10-23-2006, 05:31 PM
Technically Berdych is better than Roddick, but Berdych wasn't the nº 1 of the world and he didn't won any Grand Slam. Because of that Roddick is much better than Berdych.

That is hard to say because Roddick won his GS when Federer still had never managed to beat Nalbandian. Had Federer gotten to that USOpen 2003 final it would have been different for Roddick. I don't think one GS win tells the whole story. Tomas Johannson has won a GS also but I wouldn't say he is/was better than Berdych.

Right now, Berdych is still improving so we will see what happens.

PamV
10-23-2006, 05:34 PM
That's stupid, Roddick already got a grand slam at his age....Berdych only ONLY has a TMS, PLUS﹐ he is nothot at all, no offense:).

But isn't some of that just a matter of luck based on who else is competing at the time? I think Nalbandian was close to beating Roddick in the SF of that USOpen 2003. So if Nalbandian had been the one to win that GS would that mean Roddick was not as good today? Lots of the title wins are over a couple of points this way or that way.

alfonsojose
10-23-2006, 05:35 PM
Groundies --> Berdych :D He reminds me of Lindsay. She still has a better forehand but their backhands are precious. Both not that great volleyers but way better than Roddick

Roddick's groundies aren't beautiful at all. But at least his 2003/2004 forehand was scary. The backhand has improved a lot with Connors. Ugly but tremndous serve

Mental --> Roddick. Berdych is still as fragile as his face suggests :baby:

Fergie
10-23-2006, 05:53 PM
Berdych :rocker2:

GlennMirnyi
10-23-2006, 05:56 PM
Having good volleys has nothing to do with being tall. Ever heard about Suzuki?

Checho
10-23-2006, 06:15 PM
But isn't some of that just a matter of luck based on who else is competing at the time? I think Nalbandian was close to beating Roddick in the SF of that USOpen 2003. So if Nalbandian had been the one to win that GS would that mean Roddick was not as good today? Lots of the title wins are over a couple of points this way or that way.

In that moment nobody would have beaten Roddick, in fact, he had beaten Federer two weeks before the Us Open.

In 2003 Roddick was the best player in the world

Berdych, until now, hasn't won a grand slam and he never was the nº1.

Maybe he can do it someday, but for now Roddick has a better career so he is better player.

Only the results tell us who is a better player.

Allez
10-23-2006, 06:50 PM
No brainer. Tomas is miles ahead of Roddick in terms of natural talent. Roddick may have achieved more at a similar age, but in the long run Berych will surpass him...well if only he could get his head sorted out (otherwise he'll end up like Marat with only 15 titles :eek:).

TheBoiledEgg
10-23-2006, 06:53 PM
Berdych :rocker:
once Berdy gets going ............ :)

its alot easier to be a junkballer and even easier a junkballer with a big serve :o

mangoes
10-23-2006, 07:14 PM
In that moment nobody would have beaten Roddick, in fact, he had beaten Federer two weeks before the Us Open.

In 2003 Roddick was the best player in the world

Berdych, until now, hasn't won a grand slam and he never was the nº1.

Maybe he can do it someday, but for now Roddick has a better career so he is better player.

Only the results tell us who is a better player.

That argument doesn't fly just for the fact that they aren't in the same generation of players...........furthermore, that's like saying that Tojo who won the AO is a better player than Nalbandian :shrug:

I do think Berdych has more strengths to his game than Roddick, but we'll have to wait and see if he'll have as successful or even a better career than Roddick. I'd be plum shocked if Berdych didn't win at least one GS in his career.

nobama
10-23-2006, 07:58 PM
That is hard to say because Roddick won his GS when Federer still had never managed to beat Nalbandian. Had Federer gotten to that USOpen 2003 final it would have been different for Roddick. I don't think one GS win tells the whole story. Tomas Johannson has won a GS also but I wouldn't say he is/was better than Berdych.

Right now, Berdych is still improving so we will see what happens.Fed couldn't beat Roddick in Montreal that year (came close though). Of course he did beat Roddick at TMC later that year. I'm not so sure he would've beaten him at US Open though. Roddick was on a tear that summer and just full of confidence.

nytennis
10-23-2006, 08:08 PM
Roddick is more consistent and mentally tougher. Berdych is more talented. Let's compare them when they are at their peaks. Roddick may have already peaked by the way. Hope not though, he is a hard worker, loves the sport and brings passion to his matches... If Berdych becomes mentally tougher and more consistent, watch out.

Jlee
10-23-2006, 09:04 PM
It's impossible to know at this point. Doesn't matter how much talent Berdych has if he's mentally weak, which he still seems to be. You can argue that any player is better than another in the talent department but it doesn't mean squat if they just plain can't win matches. Even if you do consider the fact that Roger wasn't completely dominent when Roddick won his first slam, Roddick was still doing better at 21 than Berdych is now. Tomas hasn't even reached a Slam semi or quarter (to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong ;))

Let's wait until they both retire and then pick. Otherwise it's like comparing Federer at 21 before we knew him to Sampras. ;)

rmb6687
10-23-2006, 10:05 PM
No brainer. Tomas is miles ahead of Roddick in terms of natural talent. Roddick may have achieved more at a similar age, but in the long run Berych will surpass him...well if only he could get his head sorted out (otherwise he'll end up like Marat with only 15 titles :eek:).

I agree with this statement. But natural talent means nothing if you don't capitalize on it...roddick may play ugly, but it was more than effective to get him a slam and a few other majors. We have no idea how both these guys are going to turn out...but I'm excited to find out!

Alexiana
10-23-2006, 10:13 PM
That's stupid, Roddick already got a grand slam at his age....Berdych only ONLY has a TMS, PLUS﹐ he is nothot at all, no offense:).

it's not all about the age...

Havok
10-23-2006, 11:19 PM
Technicaly speaking, Berdych "should" be the better player because if he finds the zone he simply plays lights out tennis and his level of play would be unmatched by Roddick. However, everyone needs a reality check and sadly Berdych will NEVER have consistency match to match, and even tournament to tournament. Just take a look at his results, he sort of has spurts of good results then he can be insanely crappy the next.

At this time Roddick already got to #1, had a Slam title and multiple TMS titles. Berdych has one TMS title just cracked the top 10 barely this week and I don't even think he made it to the QF of a Grand Slam yet :help:. Many of you have said "yeah Roddick won his Slam when there wasn't a truely dominant player playing" but have you looked at who the hell BErdych has been losing to in Slams? The only time that statement will work is if BErdych has lost to Federer in a whole lot of GS matches, which to my recolection he simply hasn't, it's Roddick who's faced him 4 times in slams and lost them all (3 of them being FINALS so for real the title was on the line).

Roddick will always be the better player (even though he has more deficiencies than Berdych) simply because he has the consistency and most importantly the head for tennis.:o

General Suburbia
10-23-2006, 11:33 PM
That is hard to say because Roddick won his GS when Federer still had never managed to beat Nalbandian. Had Federer gotten to that USOpen 2003 final it would have been different for Roddick. I don't think one GS win tells the whole story. Tomas Johannson has won a GS also but I wouldn't say he is/was better than Berdych.

Right now, Berdych is still improving so we will see what happens.

Maybe so, but how many GS finals has Berdych got to?

Skyward
10-23-2006, 11:45 PM
but have you looked at who the hell BErdych has been losing to in Slams?

2005/06 Slams:

Coria, Nalbandian, Dent, Agassi, Gilles, Federer, Federer, Blake.

I see only one "bad" loss (Gilles).

Deboogle!.
10-23-2006, 11:51 PM
I want to know who defines "better" Why are we saying "Berdych is better but Roddick is mentally stronger?" Considering mentality is what, at least 75% of what makes a person successful in tennis (see: Hewitt and others), shouldn't that be factored into the equation? Maybe Berdych is more blessed with natural ball-striking ability, etc., but then the question shouldn't be a general "who is better" but a "who has more natural tennis ability?" and sure, Berdych would win hands-down. So again, it depends on how "better" is defined and defining that is in and of itself subjective, so to answer this question, you'd necessarily have to have 2 levels of subjectivity. :) At this point, Andy has far and away accomplished more. Berdych is a few years younger and while he doesn't have the luxury that Andy had where he got much of his "glory" before fed was FED, Berdych may well have that luxury more to the end of his career, so I don't even see how a comparison right now can glean much of anything.

All that said, I don't think you can watch one set of one match between them and deduce much of anything from that, just my opinion. Maybe in a utopic situation where they are both playing their absolute best, but there is no way to even really determine that ;)

Fedex
10-24-2006, 02:22 AM
Berdych is certainly the more talented ball striker of the two, but thus far he has been inconsistant. Roddick has certainly achieved more in his career to this point, but the potiental is there for Berdych to eventually surpass Roddick. We'll have to see how he does over the next couple of years to really get an idea of the career he's going to have.

princediablo
10-24-2006, 02:25 AM
Roddick...

angela
10-24-2006, 02:26 AM
Berdych.

Fedex
10-24-2006, 02:28 AM
However, everyone needs a reality check and sadly Berdych will NEVER have consistency match to match, and even tournament to tournament. Just take a look at his results, he sort of has spurts of good results then he can be insanely crappy the next.

And its fair to make that assessment when he's only 21 years old? :confused:

Havok
10-24-2006, 03:30 AM
His gamestyle is hitting big whenever he gets the chance. He makes tons of unforced errors, as well as winners and things like that will never change. The only time it will change is if Berdych changes his gamestyle, and honestly things like this NEVER happen. Berdych will always be hitting tons of errors to go right along with his winners and not be so consistent off the ground as say Federer, Hewitt, and (for a big hitter) Roddick, though don't take into his consideration his slumping days :p.

Havok
10-24-2006, 03:31 AM
Also see: Marat Safin. You can't get any more up and down and inconsistent as he.

KaxMisha
10-24-2006, 03:50 AM
His gamestyle is hitting big whenever he gets the chance. He makes tons of unforced errors, as well as winners and things like that will never change. The only time it will change is if Berdych changes his gamestyle, and honestly things like this NEVER happen. Berdych will always be hitting tons of errors to go right along with his winners and not be so consistent off the ground as say Federer, Hewitt, and (for a big hitter) Roddick, though don't take into his consideration his slumping days :p.

Federer's forehand is bigger than Roddick's, while being more consistent. You still can be fairly consistent being a big hitter (obviously not as consistent as say Nadal or Hewitt, but you'll have more winners as well, so that's not really your aim), provided you're not stupid and try to hit EVERYTHING hard. Instead, you should play the point with as much pressure as possible without the loss of consistency and then go for the really big shots when there's a good time for it. This is what Federer does, and only a madman would say he's not a big hitter. Hell, Johnny Mac calls his forehand "the biggest shot in the game".

Bayo
10-24-2006, 03:53 AM
Roddick now, Berdych potentially.

World Beater
10-24-2006, 03:55 AM
roddick a big hitter? maybe in 03/04..after that, he's become more of a scrapper sans serve.

KaxMisha
10-24-2006, 04:05 AM
roddick a big hitter? maybe in 03/04..after that, he's become more of a scrapper sans serve.

Yeah, Roddick's rallying ability is... well... BS.

JW10S
10-24-2006, 05:03 AM
Berdych will accomplish more in the long run.

partygirl
10-24-2006, 05:11 AM
God damn it Andy Roddick will never get any respect.

-laughable really.

Action Jackson
10-24-2006, 08:07 AM
Berdych will accomplish more in the long run.

Hope so.

mrserenawilliams
10-24-2006, 10:23 AM
are you kidding :eek: RODDICK by FAR

buddyholly
10-24-2006, 01:18 PM
I think there are ranking lists that make questions like this superfluous.

lordmanji
10-24-2006, 04:44 PM
Yeah, Roddick's rallying ability is... well... BS.

did you see roddicks matches at madrid?

tangerine_dream
10-24-2006, 04:55 PM
-laughable really.
MTF polls usually are.

Action Jackson
10-24-2006, 04:58 PM
did you see roddicks matches at madrid?

You are a funny guy.

brent-o
10-24-2006, 05:49 PM
Technically Berdych is better than Roddick, but Berdych wasn't the nº 1 of the world and he didn't won any Grand Slam. Because of that Roddick is much better than Berdych.


Technically, all that proves is Roddick WAS better than Berdych. I don't see Roddick being number 1 right now.

Jimnik
10-24-2006, 07:55 PM
Berdych is probably going to be another Nalbandian. He's an all-surface player and potentially he'll do well at all the slams. But it's the surface specialists who end up winning slams.

Peoples
10-24-2006, 08:02 PM
Just look at the ranking and stop creating stupid threads.

DrJules
10-24-2006, 08:22 PM
Berdych is probably going to be another Nalbandian. He's an all-surface player and potentially he'll do well at all the slams. But it's the surface specialists who end up winning slams.

With the exception of Nadal and a number of French Open winners, who do you mean?

corporalclegg
10-24-2006, 09:32 PM
Roddick because of his recent result at the US Open.

Jimnik
10-25-2006, 02:50 AM
With the exception of Nadal and a number of French Open winners, who do you mean?
Everybody.

Look, it's not rocket science. If an all-surface player has the same number of ranking points as a surface specialist, who do you think is more likely to have won a slam?

Havok
10-25-2006, 02:55 AM
Technically, all that proves is Roddick WAS better than Berdych. I don't see Roddick being number 1 right now.

I don't see Berdych being ranked well inside the top 10, winning a TMS title this year, getting to a slam final, etc. :p Works both ways man. Roddick WAA better, IS better and probably will always be better than Berdych. The only one that's unmeasurable is obviously the future part, but I'd put my money on Roddick to be the victor here. I just can't buy all this Berdych hype. Yeah he's a fantastic player, but I can't see him winning a slam. If at that, he'll probably win one but never reach #1 (something Roddick did).

Jlee
10-25-2006, 04:31 AM
Technically, all that proves is Roddick WAS better than Berdych. I don't see Roddick being number 1 right now.

And you see it happening for Tomas? Either way it's pure speculation.

DrJules
10-25-2006, 07:59 AM
Berdych is probably going to be another Nalbandian. He's an all-surface player and potentially he'll do well at all the slams. But it's the surface specialists who end up winning slams.

Everybody.

Look, it's not rocket science. If an all-surface player has the same number of ranking points as a surface specialist, who do you think is more likely to have won a slam?

My earlier comment related to the view: "But it's the surface specialists who end up winning slams", which implied grand slam wins go mostly to players with a particular surface preference. This tends to only happen at the French Open.

Naranoc
10-25-2006, 08:07 AM
Wow...Roddick's suddenly catching up fast! Someone must've rallied all the fans in the Andy Roddick Mesageboard :lol:

Ernham
10-25-2006, 09:36 AM
Well, I think they are about the same at this time. Andy has much more experience and often seems more focused. Overall, I think Berdych has more total natural talent(not to mention genetics) than Andy, making them about equal at the moment.

***Daniela86***
10-25-2006, 11:29 AM
IMO,Roddick. I just can't see Berdych winning a slam :shrug:

Jimnik
10-25-2006, 02:41 PM
My earlier comment related to the view: "But it's the surface specialists who end up winning slams", which implied grand slam wins go mostly to players with a particular surface preference. This tends to only happen at the French Open.
Yes, and I was backing up that view. If a player is as good as Federer or Sampras, then they'll be able to win, even on their weaker surfaces. But players like Kuerten, Ivanisevic, Hewitt, and others who aren't quite as good will only win on their best surface.

If you look at the history of the slams, the all-surface players have never won as many slams as the surface specialists. Sampras and Borg didn't win on all the surfaces, but they won more than anyone else. Agassi and Wilander won on all surfaces, but they didn't win as many slams.

In the modern era, Nalbandian has reached all 4 GS semi-finals. Hewitt, Roddick, Safin and Nadal haven't achieved this, but they've each won more slams.

Action Jackson
10-25-2006, 02:46 PM
In the modern era, Nalbandian has reached all 4 GS semi-finals. Hewitt, Roddick, Safin and Nadal haven't achieved this, but they've each won more slams.

Ever thought Nalbandian's mental preparation and lack of fitness at times is more of a problem than being competent on all surfaces.

Jimnik
10-25-2006, 02:52 PM
Ever thought Nalbandian's mental preparation and lack of fitness at times is more of a problem than being competent on all surfaces.
Off course. But even if he worked hard, which slam would he win? I can't see him beating Federer on grass or deco turf and I certainly don't see him beating Nadal on clay. Maybe he'd have a chance at the AO.

shotgun
10-25-2006, 03:08 PM
Berdych's game has much more variety, it takes more time to fully develop - therefore it's understandable that at 21 he hasn't reached his peak yet. While Roddick at the same age was reaching his prime, Berdych's best is still to come IMO - so at the moment it's unfair to compare both players by their achievements.

Fumus
10-25-2006, 03:30 PM
Oh yea cuz Berdych even compares to Roddick at the moment. It's one match, he beat an injured Roddick...damn