Andy Murray defeats "indoor king" and "world #3" Ivan Ljubicic 6-4 3-6 6-3 [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

Andy Murray defeats "indoor king" and "world #3" Ivan Ljubicic 6-4 3-6 6-3

adee-gee
10-18-2006, 04:29 PM
Jerry Seinfeld, tennisfancroatia, RaveR, Ivan Ljubicic, Guybrush....your boy took a hell of a beating :awww: :hug:

Great win for Andy, beating the best indoor player in the world, and also breaking Mr Unbreakable twice.

Fully deserved too.

Oh well, another big tournament where Ljubicic doesn't deliver :worship:

superhoops
10-18-2006, 04:29 PM
WHAT A RESULT FOR MURRAY!!! Said he would win it! :rocker2: :rocker2: :rocker2: :rocker2: :rocker2:

come on Ljubicic fans, wheres your great Iindoor King' now?

Murray just simple fantastic!!

Deboogle!.
10-18-2006, 04:31 PM
How did I know that you were gonna start the thread for this result :lol:

El Legenda
10-18-2006, 04:31 PM
Fantastic? :lol: that was a shitty match...ivan just played more shittier

:wavey:

*Viva Chile*
10-18-2006, 04:31 PM
Well done Andy :yeah:

Ivan :(

superhoops
10-18-2006, 04:31 PM
Ivan made not have been at his best but neither was Andy. Deeserved Win/. Well done Andy. Go on and get further now!

Argentine girl
10-18-2006, 04:32 PM
Yesssss.

I hope Ljubicic won't feel like he is the world number 2 again.

Jaap
10-18-2006, 04:32 PM
Murray too good for Ljubobitch.

Another choke at a major from the Croat.

vincayou
10-18-2006, 04:32 PM
Not that much of a surprise.
Murray is really a great player. Interesting match coming up against Djokovic/Gasquet

Donny
10-18-2006, 04:32 PM
So sad, too bad for the Werthem-donned "King of the Lesser Events" :devil:

superhoops
10-18-2006, 04:33 PM
Ill refloat the Ivan thread of how far he will go so we have two threads to gloat in!

lordmanji
10-18-2006, 04:34 PM
Murray too good for Ljubobitch.

Another choke at a major from the Croat.

i wouldnt call it a choke. i'd say andy's strategy was to pick on ljubes forehand with his forehand until ljube went for too much and made the error. this is especially true on last set with more pressure and thus easier to break down.

adee-gee
10-18-2006, 04:34 PM
How did I know that you were gonna start the thread for this result :lol:
It's such a huge shock, I mean the overrated Murray beating the best indoor player in the world ;)

Byrd
10-18-2006, 04:34 PM
Dont forget Ivan is the 'Real No.2' :haha:

Well played Muzza

El Legenda
10-18-2006, 04:34 PM
Ivan made not have been at his best but neither was Andy. Deeserved Win/. Well done Andy. Go on and get further now!

none of them deserved to win :lol: Djokovic/Gaquest should get a free pass to next round :lol:

tangerine_dream
10-18-2006, 04:34 PM
Whoohoo Andy, wtg, cracked Ivan's head and scrambled it :banana:

Time for Jerry's omelette. Enjoy! :wavey: :lick:

http://www.koshermealstogo.com/images/omelette.jpg

Yappa
10-18-2006, 04:35 PM
From what little I watched of the 3rd set, Ljubicics serve wasnt really on today.

Blake out, Ljubicic out. Davydenko next?

Andre♥
10-18-2006, 04:35 PM
This match was more close than well played. Murray is still away from his super summer shape, but this was his best performance in months. His serve is still a weakness and a better returner would make him really struggle here. Ljubicic could be called as Mr. No Patience. The guy has no patience for the long points. He gets bored and tries to go for the winner, without much success. His serve was off today, especially in the third set but his volleys were pretty good for a guy like him. His drop shot attempt made me laugh hard!

Murray now gets Gasquet or Djokovic. They are both better returners than Ljubicic and they can make Murray really struggle on his serve. But if Murray serves better and doesn't commit some weird mistakes, he can get to the quarters.

Regenbogen
10-18-2006, 04:35 PM
Yesss! :woohoo: Seems Murray is getting it back together again after those first round losses :o

Jadranka
10-18-2006, 04:35 PM
ivan played shittly ..

Congrats to murray :worship:

adee-gee
10-18-2006, 04:36 PM
From what little I watched of the 3rd set, Ljubicics serve wasnt really on today.
It wasn't, he looked jaded from last week. Murray's was even worse though.

superhoops
10-18-2006, 04:36 PM
Ivan thread of how far he will go is refloated.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-18-2006, 04:36 PM
Yesss!

Great work Andy. He's beaten Fed and now he just beat Lluboho.
Finally a non choking youngster.

Fed-Express
10-18-2006, 04:38 PM
lol, this is adee-gee's topic;)
so, ljubo loses 345 ranking points... let's see if nalby can clinch the no. 3 spot (sf required)

LocoPorElTenis
10-18-2006, 04:38 PM
Surprising but not completely unexpected result. I'm not a Ljubo hater but the guy does have a problem with big tournies. If he gets a very favourable draw he goes far, but always falls to the first solid player he faces - in this case it happened in the second round.

Rafa = Fed Killa
10-18-2006, 04:38 PM
Lluboho :lol:

Deathless Mortal
10-18-2006, 04:38 PM
So what? Murray beat Fed too. What did Ivan did to you? Why do you hate him? You already forgot Vienna!!

Neverstopfightin
10-18-2006, 04:38 PM
When Murray has saved those 3 break/set points 0-40 in the second set I already saw clearly he was gonna win the match , and maybe the third set could have been different with Ljubo serving first and Andy managing the pressure being down in the score .

The most intelligent player on court won . Congrats for him

Yappa
10-18-2006, 04:39 PM
It wasn't, he looked jaded from last week. Murray's was even worse though.

So it wasnt just me who got that impression. Unshaved and tired.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 04:39 PM
Murray is a joke, he won because Ljubibitch played like crap today (as he's been playing since RG).

adee-gee
10-18-2006, 04:40 PM
Murray is a joke, he won because Ljubibitch played like crap today (as he's been playing since RG).
:haha: here come the haters :wavey:

Byrd
10-18-2006, 04:40 PM
One of the worse 2nd round draws possible for any player though, not ljubicics lucky day :)

LK_22
10-18-2006, 04:41 PM
Nice to see Murray stop the serving machine :dance:

Go Murray :yeah:

and the sickly praise heaped on Murray by the English press overflow :yeah:

I think Murray would prefer it to be the 'British' Press :p

Neverstopfightin
10-18-2006, 04:41 PM
Murray is a joke, he won because Ljubibitch played like crap today (as he's been playing since RG).

Your comments are the true joke :retard:

Lullaby
10-18-2006, 04:42 PM
Everytime murray beats someone he is either lucky or the other player is tired - So many crap posters on this site who can not recognise that the boy has game (which can get 3 or 4 times better by the way).

He is one of the most intelligent if immature players around!

+alonso
10-18-2006, 04:44 PM
Woah! I think I under steemed Murray

Congrats for him ;) and his fans

Ljubo :o ! Well, keep on winning the next weeks, unless you play Feña :p

ezekiel
10-18-2006, 04:44 PM
Ljubi just wasn't there and was tired shanking all the easy shots

Can't wait for Djokovic vs Murray hopefully

henree
10-18-2006, 04:45 PM
Murray is a joke, he won because Ljubibitch played like crap today (as he's been playing since RG).
ROTFL "Ljubibitch "

:haha:

jenanun
10-18-2006, 04:46 PM
well done :yeah:

Corey Feldman
10-18-2006, 04:46 PM
:haha: what a Scottish LEGEND!!!
:baby: all the croats in the livescore thread, if you want a good laugh - go and read that today folks :p

think i'll go enjoy an me an omlette, eh Jerry Seinfeld

:rolls: :rolls:
PWNED!

Fed-Express
10-18-2006, 04:46 PM
Everytime murray beats someone he is either lucky or the other player is tired - So many crap posters on this site who can not recognise that the boy has game (which can get 3 or 4 times better by the way).


He can get 3-4 times better than he is now:eek:? Your are not good at math, are you ;)
Let's see he has potential and will improve.

User id 7816
10-18-2006, 04:50 PM
and the intelligent posts are pouring like october rain. :awww:

you go dropshot kid.

:worship:

El Legenda
10-18-2006, 04:50 PM
Time for Jerry's omelette. Enjoy! :wavey: :lick:

http://www.koshermealstogo.com/images/omelette.jpg

that one weird looking omelette...mine look different :lol:
today i ran out of pepperoni so i sliced some brats in there :drool:

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 04:51 PM
Your comments are the true joke :retard:

Talks the guy that thinks Ginepri should apologize to the Madrid crowd.


Murray's great consistency and ability this year weren't enough for:
31 year-old uncle Novak
32 year-old grandpa Henman
Robot Davydenko
Ultra Gimelstob
Andreas "grass king" Seppi in Notthingham
Janko "grass prince and Gattuso look-alike" Tipsarevic
James "clay master" Blake in Hamburg
Filippo "Volandrieva"
Jean-Rene "Midget" Lisnard

Yes, he's great. :rolleyes:

El Legenda
10-18-2006, 04:53 PM
well this match does not change the fact that



















roddick sucks

:wavey:

i sadly have to leave for rest of the week :mad: FALL BREAK :) we might be only school that has fall break :lol:



and dont forget



roddick sucks

adee-gee
10-18-2006, 04:54 PM
Talks the guy that thinks Ginepri should apologize to the Madrid crowd.


Murray's great consistency and ability this year weren't enough for:
31 year-old uncle Novak
32 year-old grandpa Henman
Robot Davydenko
Ultra Gimelstob
Andreas "grass king" Seppi in Notthingham
Janko "grass prince and Gattuso look-alike" Tipsarevic
James "clay master" Blake in Hamburg
Filippo "Volandrieva"
Jean-Rene "Midget" Lisnard

Yes, he's great. :rolleyes:
He's 19, he'll have bad losses :shrug:

The fact that he has beaten both Federer and Ljubicic both on surfaces they like says a lot. He could win every match for the rest of the year and you still wouldn't give him credit :silly:

LK_22
10-18-2006, 04:55 PM
31 year-old uncle Novak
32 year-old grandpa Henman

So that makes Novak's Henman's nephew :p

partygirl
10-18-2006, 04:56 PM
Jerry's hormone levels are at a spike this week, stop that!:p

El Legenda
10-18-2006, 04:57 PM
The fact that he has beaten both Federer and Ljubicic both on surfaces they like says a lot.
but ljubicic sucks...how can beating him say anything


I REST MY CASE

WINNER JS

:kiss:

El Legenda
10-18-2006, 04:57 PM
Jerry's hormone levels are at a spike this week, stop that!:p

:hug: where have you been :sad: :tears:

adee-gee
10-18-2006, 04:58 PM
but ljubicic sucks...how can beating him say anything


I REST MY CASE

WINNER JS

:kiss:
You should join a debating team, your talents are beyond comprehension :worship:

And I'm glad you've seen the light :)

charlie666
10-18-2006, 04:58 PM
Wow Murray, beating the world number one AND the 'real' world number 2... Way to go!

safinalium
10-18-2006, 04:58 PM
the truth is that Ivan let him win the match because he didn't want to discourage the young Murray and decided to give him a chance. you know, Ljubicic is great, he's won so many titles, he's just perfect, he did it because he was too good to win. :lol:

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 04:59 PM
He's 19, he'll have bad losses :shrug:

The fact that he has beaten both Federer and Ljubicic both on surfaces they like says a lot. He could win every match for the rest of the year and you still wouldn't give him credit :silly:

Losing to Lisnard, don't matter the surface and to Seppi on grass is beyond ridiculous.

Your beloved Nadal has no such ridiculous defeats, even on fast surfaces.

partygirl
10-18-2006, 05:02 PM
GO ANDy !!!

something told me to put 400 Vcash on him...i only put 200 because i need to keep more money than my boys.
-except Adam.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-18-2006, 05:04 PM
good win muzza :yeah:

Corey Feldman
10-18-2006, 05:07 PM
hehe yeah ..Jerry suddenly needs to leave for the rest of the week

:lol::lol:

get in that bathroom, turn the light off, get little cardinals teddybear mascot, sob it out for the next 2 days and dont forget to eat ok kid? :kiss: :hug:

t0x
10-18-2006, 05:07 PM
Good win by Murray, but Ljubicic played very crap. Still, it's the result that counts...

adee-gee
10-18-2006, 05:08 PM
Losing to Lisnard, don't matter the surface and to Seppi on grass is beyond ridiculous.

Your beloved Nadal has no such ridiculous defeats, even on fast surfaces.
He cramped against Lisnard, it was one of his first matches on tour :rolleyes:

Nadal isn't/wasn't a normal teenager. Look at Gasquet, Djokovic, whoever....they've all had bad losses.

El Legenda
10-18-2006, 05:10 PM
what made my day was..during 2nd set when Ivan started winning...Adeegee turned into a :baby: when Ljubicic won pts.. great shot by ivan...amazing volley by ivan :lol:

:baby: start to shat your pants there a little

:wavey:

adee-gee
10-18-2006, 05:11 PM
what made my day was..during 2nd set when Ivan started winning...Adeegee turned into a :baby: when Ljubicic won pts.. great shot by ivan...amazing volley by ivan :lol:

:baby: start to shat your pants there a little

:wavey:
I was providing scores for you retarded Croats in the livescore thread :retard:

Do you really want me to go back and quote some of your comments :haha:

gaynor
10-18-2006, 05:14 PM
Please do:p
Great win, although in the final set it was just a matter of time till he broke.:D

revolution
10-18-2006, 05:15 PM
Marvellous. :)

El Legenda
10-18-2006, 05:16 PM
I was providing scores for you retarded Croats in the livescore thread :retard:

Do you really want me to go back and quote some of your comments :haha:

sure you were...it almost got so bad that he was getting ready to bend over.

first set= ljubicic sucks
2nd set :baby: great serve by ivan, amazing volley
3rd set after break...ljubicic sucks

:haha:

:baby: want a cookie?

Mechlan
10-18-2006, 05:16 PM
ANDY! :D

Fantastic. Ljubo might not have played his best, but I'll take it. Another step in the right direction. :yeah:

morningglory
10-18-2006, 05:17 PM
bwahahahahaha I :haha: this result

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 05:18 PM
He cramped against Lisnard, it was one of his first matches on tour :rolleyes:

Nadal isn't/wasn't a normal teenager. Look at Gasquet, Djokovic, whoever....they've all had bad losses.

Cramping in a 3-set match? Is he Feliciano or something? :haha:

guga2120
10-18-2006, 05:20 PM
good win for Andy, he is such a natural talent on the tennis court.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 05:23 PM
good win for Andy, he is such a natural talent on the tennis court.

Stop joking.

scoobs
10-18-2006, 05:24 PM
Wasn't the best quality match from either man, really - Murray was struggling with his passing shots and serve and Ljubicic got progressively worse as the match went on both with his serve and his patience at hanging in long rallies. He did look jaded and was under pressure throughout most of the final set.

Still, Murray got the result he wanted, congratulations to him. Even not playing his best he's somehow able to tough his way through matches against players right at the top of the game. It's very good news for him that he can do that.

FERLKE
10-18-2006, 05:26 PM
I don't like Murray, but his style of play is:bowdown:

Ljubicic:lol: :devil: :devil: :nerner:

guga2120
10-18-2006, 05:28 PM
Stop joking.


im not joking, he is a good player, very inconsistent but has alot of talent, he does not just hit the ball as hard as he can, he sets up point, thats why Gilbert is working with him b/c he has alot of potential. I don't think hes going to be like top 3,4 in the world but he can beat alot of players.

revolution
10-18-2006, 05:29 PM
Stop joking.

You're bitter because Murray learnt his trade in Barcelona which is MOONBALLER land.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 05:31 PM
im not joking, he is a good player, very inconsistent but has alot of talent, he does not just hit the ball as hard as he can, he sets up point, thats why Gilbert is working with him b/c he has alot of potential. I don't think hes going to be like top 3,4 in the world but he can beat alot of players.

I don't see his talent. He's just a baseliner with an awful forehand and a so-so backhand. Awful serve and not so good volleys. He's just hype.

DrJules
10-18-2006, 05:32 PM
Great win for Andy, beating the best indoor player in the world, and also breaking Mr Unbreakable twice.



Ljubicic is probably the 4th best indoor player. Indoors Federer 1st, Safin 2nd and Nalbandian 3rd are probably better.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 05:32 PM
You're bitter because Murray learnt his trade in Barcelona which is MOONBALLER land.

It's easy to see the effects of Spain on him. His forehand is ridiculous. All moonballing.

User id 7816
10-18-2006, 05:34 PM
Stop joking.

You need to set an example.

Fed-Express
10-18-2006, 05:35 PM
Cramping in a 3-set match? Is he Feliciano or something? :haha:

Dude, you got a serious problem :rolleyes:. Start giving players credit, even if when you dislike them. Andy was a 18 year old boy when he played that match (now he is 19;) ).
Don't you see what a tremendous achievement it is to compete on that level, what an insane amount of athleticism is required. He was playing on the most demanding surface and not everybody has the stamina of Nadal.
So please, just stop it :rolleyes:

rofe
10-18-2006, 05:36 PM
I don't see his talent. He's just a baseliner with an awful forehand and a so-so backhand. Awful serve and not so good volleys. He's just hype.

Yes, he is like any other conter-puncher but the two things that set him apart are his return of serve and his good point construction. He has more talent than you give him credit for.

El Legenda
10-18-2006, 05:37 PM
Ljubicic is probably the 4th best indoor player. Indoors Federer 1st, Safin 2nd and Nalbandian 3rd are probably better.

I think that Indoor match early this year between Fat dave and ivan told us who is better indoors.

gaynor
10-18-2006, 05:38 PM
So Andy is a baseliner with an awful forehand and a so-so backhand. Awful serve and not so good volleys.
Quite an achievment to break the top 20, and not too sure how he managed to beat Federer with those amazing talents.

Horatio Caine
10-18-2006, 05:38 PM
Nice one Andy!!! :yeah: :bounce:

guga2120
10-18-2006, 05:41 PM
Yes, he is like any other conter-puncher but the two things that set him apart are his return of serve and his good point construction. He has more talent than you give him credit for.


i agree, its just the way he sees the ball and can deal with alot of power. The guy beat Federer, i know Federer was like 50% but Federer beats people all the time when hes not at his best. Beat Roddick on grass, He needs to get more power, if he doesn't his results will remain very inconsistent.

Naranoc
10-18-2006, 05:42 PM
From the BBC site:

The Scot produced one of his best ever performances despite a lacklustre past month to seal a 6-4 3-6 6-3 win.

:lol:

They really are loving this.

scoobs
10-18-2006, 05:44 PM
Wasn't one of his best-ever performances, though.

One of his best-ever results, yes. But I've seen him play a lot better than that.

Naranoc
10-18-2006, 05:45 PM
^ Exactly. Which makes it even more amusing :lol:

adee-gee
10-18-2006, 06:20 PM
I don't see his talent. He's just a baseliner with an awful forehand and a so-so backhand. Awful serve and not so good volleys. He's just hype.
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Oh Glenn stop it, this is too funny. The funniest thing is I think you're being serious :help:

El Legenda
10-18-2006, 06:29 PM
adeegee = :baby:

Joaquim
10-18-2006, 06:42 PM
Ugh. I'm no fan of Ljubicic, but he shouldn't be losing to Murray, especially indoors.

Apemant
10-18-2006, 06:50 PM
I didn't see the match; could someone please summarize it for me? Someone with a clean, neutral, objective point of view. Was Murray good, or did Ljubo blow it?

zicofirol
10-18-2006, 06:51 PM
Nice, I knew he was going to beat him, I picked him in fantasy tennis :D :worship:

I should start betting on tennis...

Trivial
10-18-2006, 06:52 PM
Bravo Andy! Great result yet not totally suprising aganist a joke of a 3rd world ranked player. :rolleyes:

ASP0315
10-18-2006, 07:02 PM
Wow. What a shocking result.
Congrats Andy. :yeah: .
I rate him as the third best returner after Federer and Nadal. :devil:

Sorry Croats. :lol:
Where is Raver?? :haha:

scoobs
10-18-2006, 07:02 PM
I didn't see the match; could someone please summarize it for me? Someone with a clean, neutral, objective point of view. Was Murray good, or did Ljubo blow it?

Andy played a pretty good match barring a few shaky games in the second set, including the one where he blew his serve. Ljubicic started slowly and was being pushed in most of his service games in the first set until Andy finally broke him then served it out. Ivan tightened up his game in the second set and took it fairly securely but in the third set his serve got progressively worse and his patience seemed to be ebbing - he would rally with Murray for a while and then go for an unlikely winner, like he was tired of the point. Low % shots, very unlike Ivan. Murray also kept him moving a lot with slices and dropshots as well as his topspin. Ivan's serve helped him out of a lot of trouble in the third set but in the end it was too vulnerable to Murray and he eventually broke through.

I think both could have played better, but especially Ljubicic - Murray was clearly the better player in that third set, where Ivan was making a lot of backhand errors. I thought he might squeak through on a breaker because he wasn't making inroads on the Murray serve really, but it wasn't to be. Murray got the crucial break and served it out.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 07:05 PM
Dude, you got a serious problem :rolleyes:. Start giving players credit, even if when you dislike them. Andy was a 18 year old boy when he played that match (now he is 19;) ).
Don't you see what a tremendous achievement it is to compete on that level, what an insane amount of athleticism is required. He was playing on the most demanding surface and not everybody has the stamina of Nadal.
So please, just stop it :rolleyes:

If you need 3 sets against Lisnard, you deserve no credit.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 07:09 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Oh Glenn stop it, this is too funny. The funniest thing is I think you're being serious :help:

When Murray wins something (not a MM tournament), come back and tell me something. 'Till that, he's just hype.

5 sets on grass to defeat Andy Ram, a doubles player born in Uruguai. :haha:

gebl
10-18-2006, 07:14 PM
Yesssss.

I hope Ljubicic won't feel like he is the world number 2 again.

totally agreed

Argenbrit
10-18-2006, 07:17 PM
Andy :banana:

revolution
10-18-2006, 07:35 PM
When Murray wins something (not a MM tournament), come back and tell me something. 'Till that, he's just hype.

5 sets on grass to defeat Andy Ram, a doubles player born in Uruguai. :haha:

Yeah and Federer got beat 6-0 6-3 by Byron Black.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 07:39 PM
Yeah and Federer got beat 6-0 6-3 by Byron Black.

Oh well, you're so smart.
Federer beat Sampras on grass at that age too. Not Ram. Sampras.

stebs
10-18-2006, 07:45 PM
Oh well, you're so smart.
Federer beat Sampras on grass at that age too. Not Ram. Sampras.

Whilst Murray also beat Federer on hardcourts. Not Ram. Federer.

Jlee
10-18-2006, 07:47 PM
I'm not really a fan of either, but congrats on the big win to Murray! :yeah:

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 07:47 PM
By the way, Byron Black is no Ram nor Lisnard.

Was a top 25, QFist in Wimbledon, 2 finals in Nottingham.

Federer was 17 when they played. Yeah... the same as today.

FERLKE
10-18-2006, 07:50 PM
Wow. What a shocking result.
Congrats Andy. :yeah: .
I rate him as the third best returner after Federer and Nadal. :devil:

Sorry Croats. :lol:
Where is Raver?? :haha:

:lol: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=88475

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 07:50 PM
Whilst Murray also beat Federer on hardcourts. Not Ram. Federer.

Tired Federer. We all know that's not happening again.

Then lost to Roddick, that you all love to say has NO talent.

revolution
10-18-2006, 07:59 PM
Tired Federer. We all know that's not happening again.

Then lost to Roddick, that you all love to say has NO talent.

Your theories have no logic- just like your Nadal theories.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 08:01 PM
Your theories have no logic- just like your Nadal theories.

You use Byron Black agains 17 year-old Federer as comparison and you want to talk about logic. All right then. :rolleyes:

stebs
10-18-2006, 08:12 PM
Tired Federer. We all know that's not happening again.

Then lost to Roddick, that you all love to say has NO talent.

I think Roddick has talent otherwise he wouldn't have acheived what he has. I admit that I did not construct much of a worthwile argument but sometimes it's hard when replying to a post that startes logic in the face and spits at it.

You may not like Murray and maybe he is over-hyped, I have no trouble beleiving it but to say he has no talent is simply absurd. Look at what he has done, beaten Federer, albeit a tired one, on hardcourts. Beaten Ljubicic indoors. Beaten Roddick on grass. Beaten Hewitt on a hardcourt.

This kid has some talent, I am not among those who think that he will conquer the very top of tennis. I think he can do well but in my opinion he will never be a consistent top 8 player, his second serve is too poor and although some accredit it to youth I have a sneaking suspicion that he will always be somewhat inconsistent.

Despite all of those things, Murray is most certainly a talented individual.

GlennMirnyi
10-18-2006, 08:17 PM
I think Roddick has talent otherwise he wouldn't have acheived what he has. I admit that I did not construct much of a worthwile argument but sometimes it's hard when replying to a post that startes logic in the face and spits at it.

You may not like Murray and maybe he is over-hyped, I have no trouble beleiving it but to say he has no talent is simply absurd. Look at what he has done, beaten Federer, albeit a tired one, on hardcourts. Beaten Ljubicic indoors. Beaten Roddick on grass. Beaten Hewitt on a hardcourt.

This kid has some talent, I am not among those who think that he will conquer the very top of tennis. I think he can do well but in my opinion he will never be a consistent top 8 player, his second serve is too poor and although some accredit it to youth I have a sneaking suspicion that he will always be somewhat inconsistent.

Despite all of those things, Murray is most certainly a talented individual.

If he were talented he would have at least decent groundstrokes. His forehand is actually worse than Ljubicic's, and that means something.

musefanatic
10-18-2006, 08:23 PM
Great win Andy!!! :woohoo:

neenah
10-18-2006, 09:03 PM
Nice job Andy!!! :)

bigbhoy
10-18-2006, 09:23 PM
I think Roddick has talent otherwise he wouldn't have acheived what he has. I admit that I did not construct much of a worthwile argument but sometimes it's hard when replying to a post that startes logic in the face and spits at it.

You may not like Murray and maybe he is over-hyped, I have no trouble beleiving it but to say he has no talent is simply absurd. Look at what he has done, beaten Federer, albeit a tired one, on hardcourts. Beaten Ljubicic indoors. Beaten Roddick on grass. Beaten Hewitt on a hardcourt.

This kid has some talent, I am not among those who think that he will conquer the very top of tennis. I think he can do well but in my opinion he will never be a consistent top 8 player, his second serve is too poor and although some accredit it to youth I have a sneaking suspicion that he will always be somewhat inconsistent.

Despite all of those things, Murray is most certainly a talented individual.

I seriously doubt he is over-hyped. Here in the UK, hardly anything is said of him other than putting his result up as breaking news on Sky Sports, or Sky News. However they also do that with Henman, Rusedski as well.

In the papers you may get the odd interview every now & then, but nothing anywhere near the point of over exposure.

Look at the facts, he's the highest ranked teenager in the world at the moment. Then the fact that he's only been doing the men's game for around a year & a half. This has been done with Mark Petchey, who seems like a genuinely nice guy, isn't really a proven coach for someone operating at the highest level. Then he went 4/5 months himself without a coach. Then found BG & has been working with him for only a few months now.

As well as the fact that injury has hampered his earlier career by over a year before he made his big breakthrough. That's a year behind where he should be now.

Sure he has screwed up, like Wimbledon, beating Roddick only to come out flat against Baghdatis. The same with Gozalez & Davydenko etc. However to be beating all these big name players in the first place proves what he can do. Sure he has had a lot of up & downs over the past year, however the more experience he gets, the better player he'll become because of it.

His serving was a problem this 1st year, mainly because he went 4/5 months without a proper coach but also if you watch closely it's the technique where he's off balance that's causing the faults. Under Gilbert it has improved again & will continue to improve further as he gets physically stronger, look at the final game against Gonzalez...100% in. He won today with an Ace. So the serving is also getting there slowly but surely. The stronger he gets, the better the serving will get also.

Murray's problem isn't his ability, it's the mental aspect of his game that's causing all this. It may just be down to total immaturity, it may be because it's new experiences for his & he gets overwhelmed by the moment. It may even be over conficdene, where he beats someone good then is a little too confident & gets blasted off court. Which is exactly what I think happened at Wimbledon & the US open.

However, it's something that I'm sure that's being addressed at the moment by BG. On his day, Murray can beat anyone. Though on his worst day, then anyone can beat him as he sucks royally. Does that take away from the fact that he has supreme talent, hell no...It simply means that at the moment he's a little too inconsistent in his play.

Once Gilby has time to work with him over Christmas & New Year. I bet we see the consistency start to improve immensley. Over the next year or 2 we'll see him become one of the best players in the world. Of that I have no doubt, does that mean he'll become number one in the world...I really can't say but I believe it is possible if he gets this whole mental consistency thing out of the way first.

If he were talented he would have at least decent groundstrokes. His forehand is actually worse than Ljubicic's, and that means something.

By the way, Byron Black is no Ram nor Lisnard.

Was a top 25, QFist in Wimbledon, 2 finals in Nottingham.

Federer was 17 when they played. Yeah... the same as today.

Tired Federer. We all know that's not happening again.

Then lost to Roddick, that you all love to say has NO talent.



I actually registered here because of you to say this. YOU ARE SEVERELY SAD!!!!! To bleat on about a kid who's only been playing over a year, is only 18 years old. Injury having held up his game for over a year in the past. Who went without a coach for 4/5 months on his own. Shows you know jack shit about tennis.

If it were so easy, then why the hell aren't you a famous pro in these tournaments. It'a easy to be an ass on a mesage board & post whatever crap you want thinking your so cool for doing so. It's much harder to get out of mommies basement & go into the real life....Which you should try by the way!

Sport is littered with upsets all throughout history. That's why there is a term underdog. There always has been & always will be in future in all sports. Look at Alessio Di Mauro, the year before, he absolutely hammered Murray on clay. Then at the US open, he hammered him 6-0, 6-0, 6-1. Big deal, he lost against a far lower ranked opponent. Does that mean it's the end of the world for Murray. Heck no..The best response is to go on abouthis business & let his racket to continue to do the talking on court.

Leave the bashing & shit talking for sad sacks like yourself. Murray beats a top guy & they are tired, dying or dead. He gets beat by someone lower than himself in the rankings & he's over-hyped & crap.

4 words for you: GO GET A LIFE!

adee-gee
10-18-2006, 09:26 PM
:lol: keep the hate coming, it'll just be even funnier when Andy makes you all eat humble pie :wavey:

Lullaby
10-18-2006, 09:28 PM
Great 1st post especially the top section :)

Fergie
10-18-2006, 09:32 PM
Ivan :smash:

revolution
10-18-2006, 09:53 PM
bigbhoy that is probably the most accurate post in GM for a long, long time.

Jogy
10-18-2006, 10:44 PM
:haha: :lol:
Yeah, that was a beating he taken from Murray :)
Well done Murray to beat this guy , I was waiting for the result since draw come out :devil:


:hug: but they can say Ljubo was sick :cool:


now give me the points from your ranking :devil:

Whoohoo Andy, wtg, cracked Ivan's head and scrambled it :banana:

Time for Jerry's omelette. Enjoy! :wavey: :lick:

http://www.koshermealstogo.com/images/omelette.jpg
:haha: :haha:

From what little I watched of the 3rd set, Ljubicics serve wasnt really on today.
serve only takes him so far sometimes

NYCtennisfan
10-18-2006, 10:57 PM
It's amazing how Murray can pull off these types of wins serving at only 42% or so. Once he can consistently get up in the mid-50's at least, he will become quite difficult to defeat. He is pretty darn good rallying on his second serve and attacks his opponents' second serves wonderfully.

rofe
10-18-2006, 11:12 PM
It's amazing how Murray can pull off these types of wins serving at only 42% or so. Once he can consistently get up in the mid-50's at least, he will become quite difficult to defeat. He is pretty darn good rallying on his second serve and attacks his opponents' second serves wonderfully.

People are aware of his great return of serve ability but I think they seriously underestimate his point construction. I am actually quite impressed by his thinking on court even though he is a kid.

yoguis
10-18-2006, 11:15 PM
Congrats Andy! :yeah:

shaggy
10-18-2006, 11:22 PM
I can accept someone dislike ljubo and his game, but insults on his name are disgusting.
He deserves the number 3 position. There is also one thing most of you don’t understand. Ljubo is a hero in Croatia because he brought us a Davis Cup trophy. It is the TEAM trophy. Fighting and playing best matches for his own country is the main reason why we respect him. O.K. he should improve his GS record and he improved it this year. Don’t worry, ljubo is going to surprise all of you. You can dislike him, but can’t underestimate his achievement. Especially, jealous brits. They have big complex. Croatia is small country and have 2 top 10 players. Henman, rusedski were and are always easy snack for goran, ljubo and mario. We also demolished them in football. It is hard to have losers in the own yard.

Corey Feldman
10-18-2006, 11:50 PM
Especially, jealous brits. They have big complex. Croatia is small country and have 2 top 10 players. Henman, rusedski were and are always easy snack for goran, ljubo and mario. We also demolished them in football. It is hard to have losers in the own yard.thats why Henman munched goran 4 of 5 times and munched Mario 2 weeks ago in Tokyo 2&2 :lol:
and you may have beat England, but they destroyed your arses and KO'd you from Euro 04, dont forget that :p

Sunny_Boy
10-19-2006, 12:02 AM
Ivan :sad:
But congrats to Andy

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2006, 12:18 AM
I actually registered here because of you to say this. YOU ARE SEVERELY SAD!!!!! To bleat on about a kid who's only been playing over a year, is only 18 years old. Injury having held up his game for over a year in the past. Who went without a coach for 4/5 months on his own. Shows you know jack shit about tennis.

If it were so easy, then why the hell aren't you a famous pro in these tournaments. It'a easy to be an ass on a mesage board & post whatever crap you want thinking your so cool for doing so. It's much harder to get out of mommies basement & go into the real life....Which you should try by the way!

Sport is littered with upsets all throughout history. That's why there is a term underdog. There always has been & always will be in future in all sports. Look at Alessio Di Mauro, the year before, he absolutely hammered Murray on clay. Then at the US open, he hammered him 6-0, 6-0, 6-1. Big deal, he lost against a far lower ranked opponent. Does that mean it's the end of the world for Murray. Heck no..The best response is to go on abouthis business & let his racket to continue to do the talking on court.

Leave the bashing & shit talking for sad sacks like yourself. Murray beats a top guy & they are tired, dying or dead. He gets beat by someone lower than himself in the rankings & he's over-hyped & crap.

4 words for you: GO GET A LIFE!

Yeah, and you go learn about tennis, Brit. Even Brazil has more GS titles in the Open Era than yourselves (and that means something), and Murray is far from Henman. Guess your overhype will end when you all take up that he's never going to win Wimbledon, much less another GS or non-MM tournament.

Ow, poor thing, he didn't have a coach for 4/5 months... maybe that's because he's an a** and nobody stands him?

Keep cheering for him in the MM tournaments (where he has a chance to win).

Ah, so no-one can talk about tennis unless he's a pro? What are you doing here then? Are you a pro? Probably not, if you were you'd be far from here.

Lullaby
10-19-2006, 06:07 AM
and Murray is far from Henman. .


He is far more developed than henman was at the same age, noone can be sure of that at this point!

bokehlicious
10-19-2006, 08:02 AM
:baby: all the croats in the livescore thread, if you want a good laugh - go and read that today folks :p


:lol: :lol: MTF definitely wouldn't be the same without the Croats :o

Well done Muzza :yeah:

Magical Trevor
10-19-2006, 08:28 AM
Good win... Andy has a really good return of serve.

yomike
10-19-2006, 09:21 AM
Oh No! Ivan got distracted when Murray keep flashing his crooked teeth.

Fed-Express
10-19-2006, 09:28 AM
Ah, you also noticed? It was distracting, wasn't it?

Trivial
10-19-2006, 09:28 AM
Oh No! Ivan got distracted when Murray keep flashing his crooked teeth.

...As they were reflecting the light off Ivan's 'bowling ball' head.



The thread has now dropped to a new low.... ;)

adee-gee
10-19-2006, 09:37 AM
It's amazing how Murray can pull off these types of wins serving at only 42% or so. Once he can consistently get up in the mid-50's at least, he will become quite difficult to defeat. He is pretty darn good rallying on his second serve and attacks his opponents' second serves wonderfully.
There are a lot of areas where Andy can improve, his first serve % being probably one of the most important. He's aware of the areas he needs to improve and is willing to learn, I think with some hard work in the off-season it won't be long before he's in the top 10.

partygirl
10-19-2006, 09:45 AM
Ivan will become the Brad gilbert of his time

Apemant
10-19-2006, 09:53 AM
I think both could have played better, but especially Ljubicic - Murray was clearly the better player in that third set, where Ivan was making a lot of backhand errors. I thought he might squeak through on a breaker because he wasn't making inroads on the Murray serve really, but it wasn't to be. Murray got the crucial break and served it out.

Thanks. Isn't it amazing what reactions a simple match can cause? Fans sound devastated (or don't show up at all), and haters sound orgasmic in their gloating. Don't know which of those are more silly :devil:

Anyway, Murray seems to be a guy who will trouble Ivan every time they play. Serve-oriented people don't like good returners, as it flattens their main weapon. But then again, I checked the stats, Ljubo had abysmal 1st serve percentage, but won vast majority of those. Murray also had even lower 1st serve percentage, but for him its kinda normal, he always does that. While Ljubo had like 80% against Hrbaty in Vienna. It is true he depends too much on that serve...

Blue Heart24
10-19-2006, 12:07 PM
great work ljuboshit

adee-gee
10-19-2006, 12:20 PM
great work ljuboshit
:rolls: :wavey: look who has decided to join the party :yippee:

ljubicic_
10-19-2006, 01:12 PM
I love you too :kiss:

Gracious in defeat, always nice to see :)

and i don't, thatswhy Ljubo is going to skip Lyon because he's very sick so please stop talking crap about Ljubo because you know nothing! It's very bad of Murray that he had problems to beat a sick man!!

ljubicic_
10-19-2006, 01:14 PM
hhere is the prove: TENIS: LJUBO PROPUŠTA LYON
19.10.2006


Ivan Ljubičić i Mario Ančić jučer su ispali u prvome kolu ATP turnira iz Masters serije u Madridu. Ančiću su trebale barem tri pobjede kako bi održao realnu nadu za plasman na završni Masters u Šangaju, ali pokleknuo je već u prvome kolu protiv Robbyja Gineprija, igrača koji ove sezone nikoga nije impresionirao. Ljubičić je, usprkos porazu, i dalje gotovo sigurni putnik u Kinu.

Zasad je najbolji hrvatski tenisač ostao na trećem mjestu ATP ljestvice, odakle bi ga eventualnim plasmanom u polufinale Madrida mogao skinuti Andy Roddick.

Ljubo je u meču protiv mladog Škota Andyja Murraya igrao pod antibioticima zbog povišene temperature. Imam povišenu temperaturu otkad sam stigao u Madrid, znači već tri-četiri dana. Prije meča uzeo sam lijekove, ali zbog toga sam se osjećao nekako usporeno, rekao je Ivan, koji je otkazao nastup na turniru u Lyonu sljedeći tjedan: Otkazao sam Lyon jer se želim što prije oporaviti i biti 'pravi' na pariškom Mastersu u Bercyju.

HRTweb sport (am)


!!!!!!!

Apemant
10-19-2006, 01:40 PM
hhere is the prove: TENIS: LJUBO PROPUŠTA LYON
19.10.2006


Ivan Ljubičić i Mario Ančić jučer su ispali u prvome kolu ATP turnira iz Masters serije u Madridu. Ančiću su trebale barem tri pobjede kako bi održao realnu nadu za plasman na završni Masters u Šangaju, ali pokleknuo je već u prvome kolu protiv Robbyja Gineprija, igrača koji ove sezone nikoga nije impresionirao. Ljubičić je, usprkos porazu, i dalje gotovo sigurni putnik u Kinu.

!!!!!!!

Care to translate this gibberish? Until you do, it hardly proves anything.

Edit: typo

User id 7816
10-19-2006, 01:43 PM
Thanks. Isn't it amazing what reactions a simple match can cause? Fans sound devastated (or don't show up at all), and haters sound orgasmic in their gloating. Don't know which of those are more silly :devil:

It gets really tough coming here knowing the majority of the posts will be just
mean, bashing, pointless and just plain ridiculous. Thankfully there's people who care about tennis. I'd keep coming to read them nevertheless.

bigbhoy, thanx for the post! I never search about players history and stuff so its still great when someone posts anything about it.

ljubicic_
10-19-2006, 01:46 PM
offcourse it sais Ljubo plaid with antibiotica because off too high fever. He sais he had a fever when he came in Madrid. before the match he took some pills but because of the pils he felt very weak. he cancelled Lyon so that we all could see the real Ivan in Shanghai. Lucky Andy

Corey Feldman
10-19-2006, 02:06 PM
offcourse it sais Ljubo plaid with antibiotica because off too high fever. He sais he had a fever when he came in Madrid. before the match he took some pills but because of the pils he felt very weak. he cancelled Lyon so that we all could see the real Ivan in Shanghai. Lucky Andy:haha: oh yeah, that was it...

the old injury/illness excuse, everytime Ivan loses... it is ready

:lol:

User id 7816
10-19-2006, 02:07 PM
People are aware of his great return of serve ability but I think they seriously underestimate his point construction. I am actually quite impressed by his thinking on court even though he is a kid.

He's definetely a thinker, which is great, I mean sometimes I think he doesnt go for a winner from a good position just to give himself time to think over the ralley...lol. I think he has to be a bit sharper, against Ljubo he could expect to control ralleys but eventually he'll need to go for more winners. Im curious how it'll go against Djokovic.

ljubicic_
10-19-2006, 02:14 PM
:haha: oh yeah, that was it...

the old injury/illness excuse, everytime Ivan loses... it is ready

:lol:

you are saying that being sick is not normal for Ljubo? and explain me why is retiring Lyon

Corey Feldman
10-19-2006, 02:35 PM
because he is too embaressed to step back onto the court yet after being humiliated by the little scottish boy 'he could easily beat on his own surface with his left hand'
:lol:
if he was that sick he would have WD..
i knew the excuses would come today as always.

adee-gee
10-19-2006, 03:23 PM
you are saying that being sick is not normal for Ljubo? and explain me why is retiring Lyon
Because he's tired and wants to be in good shape for Shanghai.

There were no signs of injury yesterday, just fatigue.

ezekiel
10-19-2006, 03:59 PM
He needs to be given credit for playing, he didn't look rested and was playing out of element. I thought he was ill but there is no need to make excuses about it