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Just Cause
10-15-2006, 04:37 PM
Ljbucic and Nalbandian have been occupied #3 since Roddick fell of few months ago. But Roddick has climbed back by winning a master tournament. I think he will take a revenge on them and take over #3 again.
2006 Titles.....RODDICK...1 TMS........LJUBICIC/NALBANDIAN....0 TMS....



Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) vs. Andy Roddick (USA) 5-2
2002-01-14 Australian Open Hardcourt R64 Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 7-6(11) 3-2 ret
2002-10-28 Paris Indoor Carpet R32 Andy Roddick (USA) 7-6(4) 7-6(3)
2003-05-12 Hamburg Clay R64 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-4 6-4
2003-08-11 Cincinnati Hardcourt R32 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-1 6-4
2003-08-25 U.S. Open Hardcourt R64 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-3 6-7(4) 6-3 7-6(8)
2004-07-19 Indianapolis Hardcourt SF Andy Roddick (USA) 1-6 7-6(10) 7-6(3)
2005-10-31 Paris Indoor Carpet SF Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 6-3 7-5

David Nalbandian (ARG) vs. Andy Roddick (USA) 3-1
2002-07-29 Toronto Hardcourt QF Andy Roddick (USA) 6-3 6-2
2003-08-04 Montreal Hardcourt F Andy Roddick (USA) 6-1 6-3
2003-08-25 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Andy Roddick (USA) 6-7(4) 3-6 7-6(7) 6-1 6-3
2003-10-20 Basel Indoor Carpet SF David Nalbandian (ARG) 7-5 7-5


Both also have losing records against Hewitt (ex #1) and Federer.
Total Winning Record = 8-3 ~ 75%

RickDaStick
10-15-2006, 04:39 PM
guess you forgot about that spanking Ljubo gave Roddick in the US of A in davis cup.

El Legenda
10-15-2006, 04:39 PM
Ljbucic and Nalbandian have been occupied #3 since Roddick fell of few months ago. But Roddick has climbed back by winning a master tournament. I think he will take a revenge on them and take over #3 again.



Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) vs. Andy Roddick (USA) 5-2
2002-01-14 Australian Open Hardcourt R64 Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 7-6(11) 3-2 ret
2002-10-28 Paris Indoor Carpet R32 Andy Roddick (USA) 7-6(4) 7-6(3)
2003-05-12 Hamburg Clay R64 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-4 6-4
2003-08-11 Cincinnati Hardcourt R32 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-1 6-4
2003-08-25 U.S. Open Hardcourt R64 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-3 6-7(4) 6-3 7-6(8)
2004-07-19 Indianapolis Hardcourt SF Andy Roddick (USA) 1-6 7-6(10) 7-6(3)
2005-10-31 Paris Indoor Carpet SF Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 6-3 7-5

David Nalbandian (ARG) vs. Andy Roddick (USA) 3-1
2002-07-29 Toronto Hardcourt QF Andy Roddick (USA) 6-3 6-2
2003-08-04 Montreal Hardcourt F Andy Roddick (USA) 6-1 6-3
2003-08-25 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Andy Roddick (USA) 6-7(4) 3-6 7-6(7) 6-1 6-3
2003-10-20 Basel Indoor Carpet SF David Nalbandian (ARG) 7-5 7-5


Both also have losing records against Hewitt (ex #1) and Federer.
Total Winning Record = 9-3 = 75%

Ljubicic also beat Roddick in March of 2005..davis cup

so he is 2-0 vs roddick since start of 2005

ys
10-15-2006, 04:41 PM
2003-08-25 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Andy Roddick (USA) 6-7(4) 3-6 7-6(7) 6-1 6-3

This result, in all honesty, should have been reversed, and would have been reversed had they had the right to challenge back then. Dave won that match , just not on paper..

Just Cause
10-15-2006, 04:41 PM
Ljubicic also beat Roddick in March of 2005..davis cup

so he is 2-0 vs roddick since start of 2005

That doesnt count toward the ranking.

adee-gee
10-15-2006, 04:42 PM
Maybe because Roddick is better than Ljubicic and Nalbandian? :scratch:

Johnny Groove
10-15-2006, 04:43 PM
Another pointless thread, considering that Fat Dave and Roddick havent played in 3 years :rolleyes:

El Legenda
10-15-2006, 04:44 PM
This result, in all honesty, should have been reversed, and would have been reversed had they had the right to challenge back then. Dave won that match , just not on paper..

same thing could be said bout ljubicic losing 6-1 6-7 6-7 in indy there was a terrible call in one of the tbs

RickDaStick
10-15-2006, 04:44 PM
Maybe because Roddick is better than Ljubicic and Nalbandian? :scratch:


surely you aren't talking about tennis and what happend to Ivan going down like a bitch today?

El Legenda
10-15-2006, 04:46 PM
Maybe because Roddick is better than Ljubicic and Nalbandian? :scratch:
nadal has a winning records vs roger...maybe he is better




















:haha: :haha:

Just Cause
10-15-2006, 04:47 PM
nadal has a winning records vs roger...maybe he is better

ON CLAY









:worship: :worship: :worship:

El Legenda
10-15-2006, 04:49 PM
That doesnt count toward the ranking.
how do matches from 2001-2004 count towards rankings?

only result that counts is ljubicic beating Roddick in Paris..which is still counted towards the ranking :)

Naranoc
10-15-2006, 04:50 PM
It would be funny if that happened. All these arguments about whether Nalbandian or Ljubicic is the joke number 3 would finally be resolved :)

Just Cause
10-15-2006, 04:51 PM
how do matches from 2001-2004 count towards rankings?

only result that counts is ljubicic beating Roddick in Paris..which is still counted towards the ranking :)
2001-2004 --> Roddick is more talented thus he became #1 IN THE WORLD (not #3).
2005 --> Yup, had Roddick won, he would have been ahead on the race ranking. Just wait until Ljubicic starts defending his finals. Rogerer is playing and I dont think he will have much luck as last year.

That tennis kid
10-15-2006, 04:52 PM
nadal has a winning records vs roger...maybe he is better




















:haha: :haha:

He is undoubtedly better on clay.

It should be considered that tennis is about match-ups, Nadal matches-up well to Federer but not so well against the likes of Blake and Berdych. Head-to-heads aren't particularly useful in saying who the better player is, but are a good indication of how players' games match up.

Johnny Groove
10-15-2006, 04:52 PM
ON CLAY









:worship: :worship: :worship:

i guess 2-1 on hard is not an advantage is it?

Jadranka
10-15-2006, 04:53 PM
Andy is a loser ;)

El Legenda
10-15-2006, 04:54 PM
2001-2004 --> Roddick is more talented thus he became #1 IN THE WORLD (not #3).
2005 --> Yup, had Roddick won, he would have been ahead on the race ranking. Just wait until Ljubicic starts defending his finals. Rogerer is playing and I dont think he will have much luck as last year.

Ljubicic has better chance of going deeper in both TMS than roddick :) and 30 race pts ahead of roddick right now.

Johnny Groove
10-15-2006, 04:56 PM
and JC, to your stupid PM, my post DID make sense. You say that Roddick's got a great record against Nalbandian. true, he does, but considering the fact that they havent played in 3 years kind of invalidates your point.

thats like saying that since Lucas Arnold Ker has never lost to Federer means he is obviously better :rolleyes:

Just Cause
10-15-2006, 04:57 PM
i guess 2-1 on hard is not an advantage is it?

True:).

2006 Wimbledon
England Grass F Federer 6-0 7-6(5) 6-7(2) 6-3

2006 Roland Garros
France Clay F Nadal 1-6 6-1 6-4 7-6(4)

2006 ATP Masters Series Rome
Italy Clay F Nadal 6-7(0) 7-6(5) 6-4 2-6 7-6(5)

2006 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay F Nadal 6-2 6-7(2) 6-3 7-6(5)

2006 Dubai
U.A.E. Hard F Nadal 2-6 6-4 6-4

2005 Roland Garros
France Clay S Nadal 6-3 4-6 6-4 6-3

2005 ATP Masters Series Miami
FL, U.S.A. Hard F Federer 2-6 6-7(4) 7-6(5) 6-3 6-1

2004 Miami AMS
FL, U.S.A. Hard R32 Nadal 6-3 6-3

I dont know, but it looks pretty good with Nadal on clay/HO.
But I give Federer an edge since Nadal only won masters not slams.

Jlee
10-15-2006, 05:54 PM
I was hoping to see Roddick play Nalbandian and Ljubicic in Vienna because I was curious as to how they would match up now that Roddick has his game back on track. I'd like to see them play now, not compare long ago h2hs.

El Legenda
10-15-2006, 05:55 PM
based on the week Ljubicic had, he would have killed Roddick :lol: 6-2 6-4 6-0 :)

DrJules
10-15-2006, 05:58 PM
Ljbucic and Nalbandian have been occupied #3 since Roddick fell of few months ago. But Roddick has climbed back by winning a master tournament. I think he will take a revenge on them and take over #3 again.



Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) vs. Andy Roddick (USA) 5-2
2002-01-14 Australian Open Hardcourt R64 Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 7-6(11) 3-2 ret
2002-10-28 Paris Indoor Carpet R32 Andy Roddick (USA) 7-6(4) 7-6(3)
2003-05-12 Hamburg Clay R64 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-4 6-4
2003-08-11 Cincinnati Hardcourt R32 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-1 6-4
2003-08-25 U.S. Open Hardcourt R64 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-3 6-7(4) 6-3 7-6(8)
2004-07-19 Indianapolis Hardcourt SF Andy Roddick (USA) 1-6 7-6(10) 7-6(3)
2005-10-31 Paris Indoor Carpet SF Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 6-3 7-5

David Nalbandian (ARG) vs. Andy Roddick (USA) 3-1
2002-07-29 Toronto Hardcourt QF Andy Roddick (USA) 6-3 6-2
2003-08-04 Montreal Hardcourt F Andy Roddick (USA) 6-1 6-3
2003-08-25 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Andy Roddick (USA) 6-7(4) 3-6 7-6(7) 6-1 6-3
2003-10-20 Basel Indoor Carpet SF David Nalbandian (ARG) 7-5 7-5


Both also have losing records against Hewitt (ex #1) and Federer.
Total Winning Record = 9-3 = 75%


Essential to consider the time scale.

2006: They have not played.
2005: Ljubicic wins both matches against Roddick and Nalbandian does not play Roddick. 100% success.

Therefore, 75% win % depends on wins from 2004 and earlier.

blosson
10-15-2006, 06:02 PM
based on the week Ljubicic had, he would have killed Roddick :lol: 6-2 6-4 6-0 :)

yet Ivan failed to win a single master title in his career ;)

adee-gee
10-15-2006, 06:16 PM
nadal has a winning records vs roger...maybe he is better
Correct.

6-2 is pretty conclusive I'm sure you'll agree.

Melvins
10-15-2006, 06:21 PM
based on the week Ljubicic had, he would have killed Roddick :lol: 6-2 6-4 6-0 :)

:rolleyes:

adee-gee
10-15-2006, 06:25 PM
based on the week Ljubicic had, he would have killed Roddick :lol: 6-2 6-4 6-0 :)
:worship: pure genius.

GlennMirnyi
10-15-2006, 06:43 PM
What does >2700 points in rankings' mean? It's only going to get higher, as Federer has nothing to defend 'till the MC.

Just Cause
10-15-2006, 06:48 PM
What does >2700 points in rankings' mean? It's only going to get higher, as Federer has nothing to defend 'till the MC.

I think people already recognize that. But one cannot deny that he lost to Nadal four times this year while being #1. Including once outside clay.
It is hard to convince people that Federer is better than Nadal in all fronts.
Granted, he is sitll the best rounded in history:).

2006 Wimbledon
England Grass F Federer 6-0 7-6(5) 6-7(2) 6-3
Stats
2006 Roland Garros
France Clay F Nadal 1-6 6-1 6-4 7-6(4)
Stats
2006 ATP Masters Series Rome
Italy Clay F Nadal 6-7(0) 7-6(5) 6-4 2-6 7-6(5)
Stats
2006 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo
Monaco Clay F Nadal 6-2 6-7(2) 6-3 7-6(5)
Stats
2006 Dubai
U.A.E. Hard F Nadal 2-6 6-4 6-4
Stats

tennismaster882001
10-15-2006, 06:59 PM
Roddick has GS and TM titles but it was in the past (except Cincinnati), realy worrying for him is that he didn't beat top 10 player for 4 years! He was close against Gonzalez yesterday, but still couldn't do it! That's why I think he will not end this year ranked number 3!

Just Cause
10-15-2006, 07:02 PM
Roddick has GS and TM titles but it was in the past (except Cincinnati), realy worrying for him is that he didn't beat top 10 player for 4 years! He was close against Gonzalez yesterday, but still couldn't do it! That's why I think he will not end this year ranked number 3!

ATP Ranking does not matter which player loses to whom, it is about which tournaments one wins. Roddick can beat anyone else other than Nadal/Federer and he has a TMS to show for it.

Apemant
10-15-2006, 07:15 PM
Maybe because Roddick is better than Ljubicic and Nalbandian? :scratch:

Nope.

It is quite simple, actually. A-Rod is a hotshot, while neither Ljubo or David have anything to boast about their looks. So it took more time for them to develop some confidence (although, for David I think it has more to do with his other interests in life, than lack of confidence). And as for A-Rod, confidence was always his middle name. It probably has something to do with heaps of girls running about him ever since he was like 14. I can't possibly overemphasize that fact. Actually, I attribute recent Ivan's improvement to his getting married with that beauty Aida. Believe it to be quite a boost to his overall self-esteem, and that certainly helps his game.

The same holds true for Federer. Just go and read their respective biographies, people. Federer admits he was shunned as a kid, Ljubo still remembers some painful defeat in DC when he 'wasn't even given cookies in the airplane because everyone was blaming him for the loss'. Unless you had a similar history there is no way you can understand the kind of influence such childhood (particularly one's success with girls, or lack of it) can have on young men's confidence. It took years for Federer to finally realize he is just better than anyone else (even though some other people saw it much earlier), and to base his self-esteem purely on that fact. Compare it to Nadal, who had unearthly strong belief in his abilities from the very beginning.

This also explains the Fed/Ljubo vs. ARod/Rafa alliances. :angel: Some of us have a soft spot for crybabies, as haters would say. I prefer the term 'sensitive people'. Others fall for tiger-like demeanor. Guess it's a matter of taste...

Apemant
10-15-2006, 07:22 PM
Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) vs. Andy Roddick (USA) 5-2

David Nalbandian (ARG) vs. Andy Roddick (USA) 3-1


Curious how noone seems to have noticed that the original post is all wrong. :devil: It's 2-5, 1-3, not the other way around...

Norrage
10-15-2006, 07:53 PM
Curious how noone seems to have noticed that the original post is all wrong. :devil: It's 2-5, 1-3, not the other way around...
Its not win stats, but loss stats... :wavey:

tennismaster882001
10-15-2006, 09:32 PM
ATP Ranking does not matter which player loses to whom, it is about which tournaments one wins. Roddick can beat anyone else other than Nadal/Federer and he has a TMS to show for it.

It also depends on what kind of draw one gets! Roddick was lucky he managed to win US Open before Federer jumped to another level! I'm not saying he didn't deserve his GS, I just want to point out that players who are now in top 10 would also win grand slams back then like Roddick!

Norrage
10-15-2006, 09:56 PM
Nope.

It is quite simple, actually. A-Rod is a hotshot, while neither Ljubo or David have anything to boast about their looks. So it took more time for them to develop some confidence (although, for David I think it has more to do with his other interests in life, than lack of confidence). And as for A-Rod, confidence was always his middle name. It probably has something to do with heaps of girls running about him ever since he was like 14. I can't possibly overemphasize that fact. Actually, I attribute recent Ivan's improvement to his getting married with that beauty Aida. Believe it to be quite a boost to his overall self-esteem, and that certainly helps his game.

The same holds true for Federer. Just go and read their respective biographies, people. Federer admits he was shunned as a kid, Ljubo still remembers some painful defeat in DC when he 'wasn't even given cookies in the airplane because everyone was blaming him for the loss'. Unless you had a similar history there is no way you can understand the kind of influence such childhood (particularly one's success with girls, or lack of it) can have on young men's confidence. It took years for Federer to finally realize he is just better than anyone else (even though some other people saw it much earlier), and to base his self-esteem purely on that fact. Compare it to Nadal, who had unearthly strong belief in his abilities from the very beginning.

This also explains the Fed/Ljubo vs. ARod/Rafa alliances. :angel: Some of us have a soft spot for crybabies, as haters would say. I prefer the term 'sensitive people'. Others fall for tiger-like demeanor. Guess it's a matter of taste...
Great post! :worship: :devil:

Pea
10-15-2006, 10:12 PM
What counts is their last matchup. And guess who lost to both of them.:angel:

Metis
10-15-2006, 10:31 PM
Nope.

It is quite simple, actually. A-Rod is a hotshot, while neither Ljubo or David have anything to boast about their looks. So it took more time for them to develop some confidence (although, for David I think it has more to do with his other interests in life, than lack of confidence). And as for A-Rod, confidence was always his middle name. It probably has something to do with heaps of girls running about him ever since he was like 14. I can't possibly overemphasize that fact. Actually, I attribute recent Ivan's improvement to his getting married with that beauty Aida. Believe it to be quite a boost to his overall self-esteem, and that certainly helps his game....
I wouldn't be so sure about that. He was with Aida for many years before they got married.


The same holds true for Federer. Just go and read their respective biographies, people. Federer admits he was shunned as a kid, Ljubo still remembers some painful defeat in DC when he 'wasn't even given cookies in the airplane because everyone was blaming him for the loss'. Unless you had a similar history there is no way you can understand the kind of influence such childhood (particularly one's success with girls, or lack of it) can have on young men's confidence. It took years for Federer to finally realize he is just better than anyone else (even though some other people saw it much earlier), and to base his self-esteem purely on that fact. Compare it to Nadal, who had unearthly strong belief in his abilities from the very beginning.

This also explains the Fed/Ljubo vs. ARod/Rafa alliances. :angel: Some of us have a soft spot for crybabies, as haters would say. I prefer the term 'sensitive people'. Others fall for tiger-like demeanor. Guess it's a matter of taste...
:haha: So you think that he would have gotten the cookies if he looked like Brad Pitt?
I'm sorry but I don't think it's that simple. It's not easy to tell if someone is sensitive simply by their appearance. And wasn't Federer a top junior anyway? He couldn't have done it if he was lacking in confidence... I would think that a stable relationship like the ones Federer and Ljubicic have had with Mirka and Aida respectively over the years is more beneficial than being constanty surrounded by silly girls all the time.:)

Neely
10-15-2006, 10:36 PM
Irrespective of who is playing better currently, who is more talented or whatever I just note that both have a losing record against Roddick. Fact. And Roddick has had a much superior career to both of them so far. Fact. You could even combine all titles of Ljubicic and Nalbandian and Roddick would still beat that, in quantity as well as in importance. And Roddick was able to beat them both when it mattered most (US Open 2003) for his Grand Slam title. The funny thing is that Roddick can have a season and "suck that much almost the entire time" and he still reached further in a Slam than both other guys and won a tournament of a higher category so far :lol:

KaxMisha
10-15-2006, 10:45 PM
This also explains the Fed/Ljubo vs. ARod/Rafa alliances. :angel: Some of us have a soft spot for crybabies, as haters would say. I prefer the term 'sensitive people'. Others fall for tiger-like demeanor. Guess it's a matter of taste...

And others of is realize it's TENNIS we're wtaching and not a fucking soap about the players' lives. COME ON! It's stupid to like or dislike a player AS A PLAYER for what he does off the court. Of course you might admire them as human beings or whatever for the off-court stuff, but that's a completely different topic. Face it - to most of us, they are not real people, but tennis-playing robots. I look at it this way - who would I like better if the players were all faceless and looked the same and you could only judge by their game? The answer is simple - Federer and Safin (and you might notice, thier personalities and backgrounds are nothing alike, as Safin is like the most popular guy on earth). If you like players for reasons other than their tennis, you really shouldn't consider yourself a tennis fan. Federer and Safin would still be my favorite players, even if they were both rapist or murderers, not because I think **** and murder are admirable (I don't) but because it's completely irrelevant to their tennis.

General Suburbia
10-15-2006, 11:13 PM
It's only a matter of time until Roddick regains his #3 position. Everyone knows Ljubicic is only saving the spot for him.

General Suburbia
10-15-2006, 11:26 PM
It also depends on what kind of draw one gets! Roddick was lucky he managed to win US Open before Federer jumped to another level! I'm not saying he didn't deserve his GS, I just want to point out that players who are now in top 10 would also win grand slams back then like Roddick!
Uh, that kind of argument backfires if youre a Ljubo fan. Sure, he may have reached a few quarterfinals and semis in GS in the past years, but what's his record against top 25 players in Grand Slams? I'm not trying to spit on his accomplishments here - I respect him as a pretty good player - but the fact is, Ljubo's had "cupcake" draws in GS for the past few years. His Roland Garros semifinals appearence was a joke:

R128
Berlocq, Carlos (ARG), rank 82
6-2 6-0 6-3

R64
Hernandez, Oscar (ESP), rank 131
6-3 6-7(7) 6-1 6-2

R32
Monaco, Juan (ARG), rank 103
4-6 5-7 6-3 6-4 6-2

R16
Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben (ESP), rank 79
6-3 3-6 6-3 6-2

Q
Benneteau, Julien (FRA), rank 95
6-2 6-2 6-3

S
Nadal, Rafael (ESP), rank 2
4-6 2-6 6-7(7)

Yeah, you can say how Roland Garros is a different kind of slam, these are clay specialists, blah blah, but still...

Just Cause
10-16-2006, 01:49 AM
Ljubicic on clay = Ivanisevic on clay = no-name...
That is just true, let alone playing against Nadal, the CLAY MASTER.
On carpet however, even tho Roddick lost a close one he has provent hat he can play on fast surfaces, I cant wait until they match up against each other.

Apemant
10-16-2006, 09:13 AM
I wouldn't be so sure about that. He was with Aida for many years before they got married.

Hmm you could be right... I remember reading somewhere about a six page letter he wrote to her or something. Didn't really study his life in detail.



:haha: So you think that he would have gotten the cookies if he looked like Brad Pitt?

Not at all. If he looked like Brad Pitt he wouldn't care for cookies or for their approval. Wouldn't feel so miserable because of that.
Remember when Neo asks Morpheus:
- so what are you saying, that I can dodge bullets?
- no, Neo. What I am saying is when you are ready, you won't need to.
;)



I'm sorry but I don't think it's that simple. It's not easy to tell if someone is sensitive simply by their appearance. And wasn't Federer a top junior anyway? He couldn't have done it if he was lacking in confidence... I would think that a stable relationship like the ones Federer and Ljubicic have had with Mirka and Aida respectively over the years is more beneficial than being constanty surrounded by silly girls all the time.:)

You misread my post. Both Ivan and Fed seem rather confident right now; I was talking about the time they needed to develop it. One can't have a 'stable relationship' at the age of 17 (bar some rare examples). So what do you thing teenagers base their confidence on? Do you think it's a coincidence that guys like A-Rod or Safin reached their heights so early? And I'm not talking solely about looks (although it's a very importan factor), but other things that determine (or influence) someone's psychological traits.

And as for Fed being #1 junior - it's really nothing to wonder, he was so above the competition that he couldn't choke it out even in theory. But you can still see traces of his uncertainty from earlier years whenever he plays against Nadal, for example.

Loremaster
10-16-2006, 09:40 AM
Irrespective of who is playing better currently, who is more talented or whatever I just note that both have a losing record against Roddick. Fact. And Roddick has had a much superior career to both of them so far. Fact. You could even combine all titles of Ljubicic and Nalbandian and Roddick would still beat that, in quantity as well as in importance. And Roddick was able to beat them both when it mattered most (US Open 2003) for his Grand Slam title. The funny thing is that Roddick can have a season and "suck that much almost the entire time" and he still reached further in a Slam than both other guys and won a tournament of a higher category so far :lol:

so true, all Ljubicic fans should read this :devil: , Roddick has the worst season since 2002 and still accomplished more than Nalbandian and Ljubicic combined, and in 15 years time noone will remember Ljubicic because he won nothing special, and Roddick was the youngest American no.1 , won GS and TMS tournaments. And this makes him better player than Ljubicic,

and telling about Draws is a joke, Ljubicic had much easier draw than Andy in Cincy and what ?? and UsOpen they were in the same half and what?? If Ljubicic was better tennis player he would be in Cincy and USOpen final but he lost in 3rd and 1st round what is joke for no.3 player and "hardcourt specialist" in this season Ljubicic is har4dcourt clown

its.like.that
10-16-2006, 10:19 AM
Ljbucic and Nalbandian have been occupied #3 since Roddick fell of few months ago. But Roddick has climbed back by winning a master tournament. I think he will take a revenge on them and take over #3 again.
2006 Titles.....RODDICK...1 TMS........LJUBICIC/NALBANDIAN....0 TMS....



Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) vs. Andy Roddick (USA) 5-2
2002-01-14 Australian Open Hardcourt R64 Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 7-6(11) 3-2 ret
2002-10-28 Paris Indoor Carpet R32 Andy Roddick (USA) 7-6(4) 7-6(3)
2003-05-12 Hamburg Clay R64 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-4 6-4
2003-08-11 Cincinnati Hardcourt R32 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-1 6-4
2003-08-25 U.S. Open Hardcourt R64 Andy Roddick (USA) 6-3 6-7(4) 6-3 7-6(8)
2004-07-19 Indianapolis Hardcourt SF Andy Roddick (USA) 1-6 7-6(10) 7-6(3)
2005-10-31 Paris Indoor Carpet SF Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 6-3 7-5

David Nalbandian (ARG) vs. Andy Roddick (USA) 3-1
2002-07-29 Toronto Hardcourt QF Andy Roddick (USA) 6-3 6-2
2003-08-04 Montreal Hardcourt F Andy Roddick (USA) 6-1 6-3
2003-08-25 U.S. Open Hardcourt SF Andy Roddick (USA) 6-7(4) 3-6 7-6(7) 6-1 6-3
2003-10-20 Basel Indoor Carpet SF David Nalbandian (ARG) 7-5 7-5


Both also have losing records against Hewitt (ex #1) and Federer.
Total Winning Record = 8-3 ~ 75%

Just Cause has a 75% losing record against intelligence.

oz_boz
10-16-2006, 11:46 AM
Roddick is more consistent than Ljubicic and Nalbandian, and Federer is better than Nadal on hardcourt.

Apemant
10-16-2006, 03:47 PM
Roddick is more consistent than Ljubicic and Nalbandian, and Federer is better than Nadal on hardcourt.

Nice sig, you could name that beast Rogael Naderer. :D
Or Rafer Fedal? Rafarer Rogedal? Nager Fedfael?

Just Cause
10-18-2006, 06:28 AM
Roddick is more consistent than Ljubicic and Nalbandian, and Federer is better than Nadal on hardcourt.

Nadal did however beat Federer on hardcourt this year in a final.
I dont know that Federer is really that good on hardcourt, he only won Australian Open twice.

General Suburbia
10-18-2006, 07:06 AM
I dont know that Federer is really that good on hardcourt, he only won Australian Open twice.
You're hilarious.

Ariadne
10-18-2006, 10:06 AM
I dont know that Federer is really that good on hardcourt, he only won Australian Open twice.

Wow! I just simply HAD to express my appreciation of the dumbfounded brilliance of this comment! :worship:

yomike
10-18-2006, 10:16 AM
Lets use a better statistic
Nalbandian vs. Federer 6-6
Ljubicic vs. Federer 3-10
Roddick vs. Federer forgettable

TennisGrandSlam
10-18-2006, 10:38 AM
1977 ATP Singles titles :

Vilas (16) : Springfield, Buenos Aires, Virginia Beach, Roland Garros, Kitzbuhel, Washington, Louisville, South Orange, Columbus, US Open, Paris, Tehran, Bogota, Santiago, Buenos Aires, Johannesburg WCT

Borg (11) : Memphis, Nice, Monte Carlo WCT, Denver, Wimbledon, Pepsi Grand Slam, Madrid, Barcelona, Basel, Cologne, Wembley


Vilas - 16 titles (including 2 Grand Slam titles and 1 WCT title, also 1 Grand Slam runner-up)

Borg - 11 titles (including 1 Grand Slam titles and 1 WCT titles, also Masters runner-up)



Vilas 0-3 Borg in 1977


But Vilas - No.2, Borg - No.3

:cool:

Just Cause
10-18-2006, 03:21 PM
Wow! I just simply HAD to express my appreciation of the dumbfounded brilliance of this comment! :worship:
Yes, Safin can beat him on rebound ace. AND Nadal can beat him on HO.
You can say that again. While I :worship: Federer, him being almighty on other surfaces is simply not true.

Just Cause
10-18-2006, 06:01 PM
If he cant beat Andy, I dont know about Andy;).

Apemant
10-18-2006, 08:18 PM
If he cant beat Andy, I dont know about Andy;).

You are underestimating Andy. As we all know, Andy already beat Andy in Wimbledon, which is Andy's very preferrable surface. So if Andy can beat Andy there, you can't say that the fact that Andy beat Ivan means Ivan won't be able to defeat Andy (next time they meet, Paris or Shangai for example).

If you get my meaning. :devil:

blosson
10-18-2006, 08:26 PM
OMG. If Andy can beat Andy twice and Andy can beat Andy a while ago, Andy can beat Ivan and Andy can't beat Ivan. If Ivan can beat Andy then Andy can beat Andy. If Ivan can't beat Andy it doesn't mean Andy can beat Andy. Andy neutralises Andy. :lol:

Apemant
10-18-2006, 08:44 PM
OMG. If Andy can beat Andy twice and Andy can beat Andy a while ago, Andy can beat Ivan and Andy can't beat Ivan. If Ivan can beat Andy then Andy can beat Andy. If Ivan can't beat Andy it doesn't mean Andy can beat Andy. Andy neutralises Andy. :lol:

Hmm I have trouble following your logic. :worship:

I mean, if Andy can beat Andy a while ago, and Andy can beat Andy even twice, then if Andy can beat Ivan it surely doesn't imply that Andy can't beat Ivan. Actually, since last time Andy met Andy, Andy won, and now Andy beat Ivan, it would mean that Andy too, can beat Ivan, contrary to what you say up here.

Of course, just because Andy beat Andy a while ago, and Andy beat Ivan today, doesn't mean that Andy would beat Ivan for sure. That much I agree, actually that was what I was saying in my previous post. But, it doesn't mean that the contrary must be true; that Ivan would surely beat Andy. In fact, we just can't conclude what the outcome of Andy vs. Ivan would be, based solely on today's Andy win over Ivan. It is true that Andy neutralises both Andy and Ivan. Good returner is always a bad matchup for serve-based players. Like Hewitt was for Sampras, for instance.