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16681
08-07-2006, 06:10 AM
Since Arnaud just won a Title I thought I would start this thread to see how his year is going. As of 08/07/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking is #43 which is up 14 positions :D

Via
08-08-2006, 01:15 AM
:D

i'm happy as long as he doesn't have to qualify so much for events! lol

16681
08-14-2006, 06:21 AM
As of 08/14/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking as #46 which is down 3 positions :sad:

Via
08-16-2006, 01:17 PM
yeah but he's 39 in the annual race, and up 2 places! :D

*positive thinking* lol

16681
08-26-2006, 09:00 AM
As of 08/21/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking remains the same at #46.

16681
08-28-2006, 07:28 AM
As of 08/28/06 the ATP Site shows Arnard's ranking is #47 which is down 1 position :sad:

16681
09-11-2006, 06:10 AM
As of 09/11/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking is #52 which is down 5 position :sobbing:

Via
09-15-2006, 03:23 AM
i'm sure some other guys had done better than he at us open

16681
09-18-2006, 06:10 AM
As of 09/18/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking as #54 which is down 2 positions :sad:

Marine
09-18-2006, 06:04 PM
Logical, for a player who doesn't play... :rolleyes:

16681
09-25-2006, 06:20 AM
As of 09/25/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking remains at #54. Obviously this week there was very little movement in the ranking.

Marine
09-26-2006, 06:37 PM
WHEN ?

When has he planned to work again ?????

Via
09-27-2006, 12:40 AM
the guy is a grown-up and he can choose how to live his life and plan his schedule as he pleases :p

Hangdog
09-28-2006, 09:01 PM
Metz is in several days and I hope Arnaud will finally show up. And some his countrymates will do it as well...

As for me, I have more "why" questions. I can understand Seb: which tennis can be on his mind when there is a bench of children at home... But I thought Arnaud is not a father yet and he could came back to top30 playing just a little bit more often. Or maybe couldn't :p lol But he has a strange strategy anyway.

Marc Gicquel told he's decided to have a pause between US Open and Metz because he wanted to be fresher for the last part of the season and though that's not so good for him to play on clay and then be back on hard again. Maybe that's a sort of clue to the mystery of this Arnaud's vacation? :shrug:

Via
09-29-2006, 02:10 AM
arnaud and many other frenchies are on metz's entry list, and there's nothing to indicate that he won't show up... :D the draw should be out soon.

maybe we'll hear more about arnaud's plans in metz

16681
10-03-2006, 06:11 AM
As of 10/02/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking remains at #54.

16681
10-09-2006, 04:29 AM
As of 10/02/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking remains at #54.
As of 10/09/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking remains the same as above.

16681
10-16-2006, 10:26 PM
As of 10/16/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking is #50 which is up 4 positions :)

Via
10-16-2006, 11:12 PM
he'd better stay up there till the end of the year! i don't want to hear any excuse about not wanting to qualify for sydney :o

16681
10-23-2006, 04:29 PM
As of 10/23/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking remains the same at #50.

16681
10-30-2006, 11:06 PM
As of 10/30/06 the ATP Site shows Arnaud's ranking as #41 which is up 9 positions :)

Via
11-27-2006, 10:27 PM
have you heard? arnaud has ended the year 2006 ranked 42 :)

he's the 4th ranked frenchie, after gasquet, grosjean, and benneteau

Marine
11-28-2006, 07:25 PM
he's the 4th ranked frenchie, after gasquet, grosjean, and benneteau

After Benneteau ???

Via
11-28-2006, 09:13 PM
After Benneteau ???

yup benneteau is 40, i think. he's had a few good tournaments this year.

we have to remember that apart from two absolutely perfect weeks for arnaud, he was mostly crappy for the rest of the year!!! but he's still 42.

i don't see any stats on this but it seems to me that the top players (up to 10?) are winning more than their usual proportion, and players outside top 30 say, are winning less than usual. in other words, there's little left for the dogs :lol:

Via
11-28-2006, 09:24 PM
i don't see any stats on this but it seems to me that the top players (up to 10?) are winning more than their usual proportion, and players outside top 30 say, are winning less than usual. in other words, there's little left for the dogs :lol:

sorry i just checked at steveg's and there doesn't seem to be much difference between the points for #10 and #30, for the last two years. so i'm just talking crap myself:p

higherlaw
01-08-2007, 05:21 PM
1st ranking of the year: 41, that's up 1...

Via
01-29-2007, 10:36 PM
:eek: it's hard to believe but arnaud has moved up to #38 this week, and is now the #2 french player after richard, as seb and julien have dropped points. that's what he's achieved after a pretty ordinary aussie trip. unbelievable.

delsa
01-30-2007, 02:56 PM
Taht says a lot about the state of French tennis and about how those around him in the rankings fared...

16681
02-06-2007, 03:55 AM
:eek: it's hard to believe but arnaud has moved up to #38 this week, and is now the #2 french player after richard, as seb and julien have dropped points. that's what he's achieved after a pretty ordinary aussie trip. unbelievable.
Well you need to believe because as of 2/5/07 the ATP Site shows Arnaud ranking as #35 which is up 3 positions :)

higherlaw
02-19-2007, 02:00 PM
#55

Got 0 points for this year at Marseille while losing the 200 points he got there last year. 7th Frenchman.

delsa
02-19-2007, 08:11 PM
#55

Got 0 points for this year at Marseille while losing the 200 points he got there last year. 7th Frenchman.
But he won the doubles title with Michaël Llodra! :banana:

Hangdog
02-19-2007, 08:49 PM
But he won the doubles title with Michaël Llodra! :banana:

Exactly :)

Doubles:
#26

Is in 2 steps of breaking his own doubles record of 2002 year. 2nd Frenchman after Santoro.

Marine
02-19-2007, 09:56 PM
And they lost the laxt week-end in DC :rolleyes: lol

Via
02-19-2007, 10:47 PM
well... don't think the rest of you care about the details very much, but actually... the 200 points he lost from marseille were replaced by his new 8th best optional event which was casablanca from last year, giving him 15 points. so he lost 185 points compared to last week.

here's the points breakdown for player C487!
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/pointsbreakdown.asp?player=C487

sad to see two bagels at the bottom for two of his fav tournaments, marseille and sydney ....

Via
02-19-2007, 10:49 PM
yes i agree that he's more confident playing doubles than singles right now.

higherlaw
02-20-2007, 02:50 PM
well... don't think the rest of you care about the details very much, but actually... the 200 points he lost from marseille were replaced by his new 8th best optional event which was casablanca from last year, giving him 15 points. so he lost 185 points compared to last week.

Thanks for clarifying this for everyone. The rankings are more than just the current tournament + and -.:)

Via
02-20-2007, 11:17 PM
Thanks for clarifying this for everyone. The rankings are more than just the current tournament + and -.:)

lol is this really clear, for everyone? ;) atp ranking system is notoriously hard to understand. never mind :angel:

Hangdog
02-23-2007, 10:17 AM
lol is this really clear, for everyone? ;) atp ranking system is notoriously hard to understand. never mind :angel:
lol :o and what if he played another tournament, not Marseille, that week, would it somehow affect on his ranking then?

Via
02-23-2007, 11:47 PM
lol :o and what if he played another tournament, not Marseille, that week, would it somehow affect on his ranking then?
i'm teacher Via ??? :scared: :bolt:

lol

i'll try but no guarantee the accuracy :p

i don't think it matters which tournament, as long as it offers ranking points to replace those that will get dropped. sometimes you hear players can't defend points because tourneys are scheduled in different weeks on the calendar... even no.1 positions were swapped because of that effect... and it used to be an embarrassment for the atp and that was why the race was introduced in 2000. now that we have a dominant no.1, the race gets thrown out of the window....:retard:

... sorry i think i digressed... that wasn't what you were asking :lol:

higherlaw
02-24-2007, 08:11 PM
you can also read here: http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/information/rankfaq.asp a little confusing the first time through.

i'm teacher Via ??? :scared: :bolt:

lol

Hangdog
02-27-2007, 07:23 PM
Thanks for your replies!

... sorry i think i digressed... that wasn't what you were asking :lol:
And I’m not sure now what I was asking about lol That means you have a priceless quality for a teacher! ;)

Well, Arnaud is +1 in his rankings this week :worship: :tape: The same for Seb. Where is all that their pre-season motivation now… One is injured physically, another is injured mentally. Let’s hope that’s a temporare phenomenon…
To mark something good: in doubles classification Arnaud remains 24th position which is = his best doubles ranking :worship: :worship:

higherlaw
03-20-2007, 04:27 PM
woo hoo!:rolleyes:

+2 to 51 in singles and stayed at 25 in doubles.

higherlaw
04-03-2007, 04:38 PM
:D back in the top 50 at #50.

doubles are the best ever! he's at #20 and clement/llodra are tied for #9 in the doubles race! :cool:

Hangdog
04-03-2007, 07:56 PM
ok, a tendecy of moving to the right direction, that's great :)
:eek: now his both singles and doubles highest rankings are dated with the same day, Apr 2!

Via
04-04-2007, 12:02 AM
how significant... 6 years to the day after he made it to the top 10, he has now made it to the doubles top 20. i suppose that's the right direction that he's heading. maybe he should do the opposite of what llodra had tried to do, and hopes that mika will not be too stubborn about focussing on the singles! lol

they may even make it to shanghai for the year-end..... that would be funny :)

once again thanks to higherlaw for some conscientious watching :)

higherlaw
05-09-2007, 05:04 PM
arnaud's highest rank in doubles this week: 18 :dance:

singles: well, holding at 50...

higherlaw
05-16-2007, 05:32 PM
as of 14 may 2007:

arnaud is up one place again in doubles to 17, again, highest ever.

i reported incorrectly last week that he was 50 in singles. in fact, he was 51 and this week he is 50.

higherlaw
05-21-2007, 05:28 PM
:banana: here's some good news for this thread!

arnaud is up 6 to #44 in singles and up 2 to #15 in doubles. good thing he was talked into playing hamburg!

Via
05-22-2007, 12:05 AM
:rolleyes: seems like an easy life! won't do much good for wimbledon, but if it stays up ( :devil: ) for longer, it may make things easier with entry into the us hard court tournaments. think washington...... :unsure:

higherlaw, are you going to any of those tournaments? i have no idea where you live.

higherlaw
05-22-2007, 04:12 PM
:rolleyes: seems like an easy life! won't do much good for wimbledon, but if it stays up ( :devil: ) for longer, it may make things easier with entry into the us hard court tournaments. think washington...... :unsure:

higherlaw, are you going to any of those tournaments? i have no idea where you live.

right! ah, washington...many points to defend.:eek:

so many tournaments, so little time (and $$)!! washington is the tournament i will attend this year (in fact, i saw the final last year :aparty:) when arnaud will defend his title. :tennis:

higherlaw
06-18-2007, 01:27 PM
:) up 5 to 38 :)

Hangdog
06-19-2007, 08:51 PM
:) up 5 to 38 :)
And even not just +5 but…..
:eek: Arnaud has come to be the French number two :bowdown: :bowdown:

higherlaw
06-25-2007, 02:02 PM
And even not just +5 but…..
:eek: Arnaud has come to be the French number two :bowdown: :bowdown:

still french #2! up 4 to 34! :D

16681
06-27-2007, 06:02 AM
still french #2! up 4 to 34! :D
I was thrilled when I saw this :yippee: :)

higherlaw
07-09-2007, 11:39 AM
singles: up to #33, best since may 2004 when he was also #33
doubles: 13, highest ever
doubles race: 6

Via
07-09-2007, 02:14 PM
gosh :eek: arnaud may be going to shanghai with mika!!!! a slam title really works wonders! :D

higherlaw
01-28-2008, 03:11 PM
Oddly, this is my favorite thread...

Doubles: up to a career high of #8
Doubles race: of course, #2 (they made $233K USD)
Singles: remaining at #59

Via
01-28-2008, 09:42 PM
thanks, higherlaw!

compared to the start of the year though, his singles ranking has slipped a few places. hard to believe he has done even worse relatively speaking this year in oz!

higherlaw
02-05-2008, 07:21 PM
:timebomb:
Arnaud's singles ranking is now #69, down a massive 10 places. That's the lowest he's been since January 2006.
edit: He played Zagreb last year and made it to the quarterfinals against Baggy.--40 points lost.

Mika went down 10 also.

higherlaw
02-06-2008, 03:32 PM
:timebomb:
Arnaud's singles ranking is now #69, down a massive 10 places. That's the lowest he's been since January 2006.
edit: He played Zagreb last year and made it to the quarterfinals against Baggy.--40 points lost.

Mika went down 10 also.

It hit me that Zagreb is an upcoming tournament and so I wondered if I had posted something wrong here regarding Arnaud losing 40 points. Well, to set it straight, at least in my own mind, Zagreb 2008 is a month later than it was in 2007.

Via
02-06-2008, 09:48 PM
thanks :wavey:

guess it doesn't matter until perhaps when indian wells and miami come along.

esther
02-07-2008, 01:23 AM
he really isnt playing any better than 69th in the world :( but its exciting how his doubles career has taken off!

Via
02-18-2008, 10:31 PM
since higherlaw is absent from this thread, i'll update it for her ;)

he's 68 this week, and 11 in doubles (down 3)

zagreb should be his next tournament next week. if his foot is still sore, then he's listed as an alternate for dubai the week after.

though i don't understand why he doesn't go to las vegas with seb and mika where he would get direct entry.

higherlaw
02-25-2008, 02:54 PM
since higherlaw is absent from this thread, i'll update it for her ;)

:bigwave:
Plus one this week to 67.

higherlaw
04-28-2008, 02:06 PM
Arnaud's rank this week is 90 in singles and 12 in doubles.

:bolt:

soulage
04-28-2008, 07:12 PM
Arnaud's rank this week is 90 in singles and 12 in doubles.

:bolt:
He's 135 at Race

With his current results or rather his lack of results, I'm asking myself if he will enter directly in Wimbledon?

He's got still 40 points to defend on Clay but the more disturbing are his 225 points won on Grass past year :eek: After the season grass if he continues on the same way he will be around 200 at ATP Ranking.

I read that's he wants to play until 35 years old maybe like a double player but in single i'm not sure when we see his awful season.

Truc
04-29-2008, 07:32 AM
He will be safe for Wimbledon, the entry list is made 6 weeks in advance, like for all the tournaments, he will still have his points of last year's grass season.

Via
05-18-2008, 06:55 AM
arnaud's doubles ranking is still 12 currently, while mika is one place below him. according to this thread http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6847477&postcount=61 and my interpretation of the rules, they are just making the cut for a direct acceptance to beijing, given that both americans (bryans) and both israelis (erlich and ram) are ranked inside top 10.

it doesn't look like anyone will catch up with them before june 8...

higherlaw
06-23-2008, 02:00 PM
145:bolt:
Soulage, you predicted correctly:worship:

Via
06-24-2008, 10:18 AM
i know, it's so low that somehow it doesn't bother me any more :o

there are no lack of up and comers working very hard to try to break into the top 100! it's a lot of competition at this level.

Via
06-29-2008, 02:12 AM
arnaud's made it to second week of wimbledon... even at this stage, after earning 150 points here, it should help him to get back to the top 100.

i hope this won't be a one tournament season! so please, keep up the confidence and wake up for the rest of the year.

deanna
07-03-2008, 05:08 AM
His ranking should rise up to 72 after Wimbledon :) !

Via
07-03-2008, 12:20 PM
His ranking should rise up to 72 after Wimbledon :) !
wow, that's precise :)

soulage
07-07-2008, 10:41 AM
His ranking should rise up to 72 after Wimbledon :) !
Congrats you're perfectly right :) He's 72# and 59# at Race

In doubles he's 21# now

sandy83S
07-07-2008, 02:56 PM
very happy that Arnaud is again in the 100 first and qu' he is gained 73 places! I hope for HE still will go up with the next tournaments! :)

higherlaw
08-04-2008, 03:49 PM
He's worked his way up to #66.

soulage
10-21-2008, 08:28 PM
Today in l'Equipe we can remember that the now ranked 95 # is one of the nine french players who reached top 10

Via
10-22-2008, 01:12 AM
Today in l'Equipe we can remember that the now ranked 95 # is one of the nine french players who reached top 10

what an exclusive club - welcome gilles simon.

a country with so much depth of talent, yet can count top 10 players (and no number 1) in two hands for more than 30 years :shrug:

soulage
11-05-2008, 11:09 PM
Now ten french guy reached the Top 10 :D

At the end of his season Arnaud is #95 in single but it remains few challengers before securing a spot in AO and he's #29 in doubles.

deanna
11-06-2008, 03:07 AM
Rankings gone up :) Great!
Thanks for the news.

soulage
11-17-2008, 07:29 PM
He's 97# and it remains only two weeks of competition. AO is near :angel: I watched his ranking breakdown on ATP site and until May 2009 he gets only 30 points to defend well 60 in fact after the doubling of points at the end of the year.

Marine
11-17-2008, 08:11 PM
Yes.
And, as he joked on the court in Bercy after his double " Je commence à vraiment bien jouer, ça y est, ma saison est lancée ! " (in november) :lol:

Via
11-17-2008, 10:30 PM
he'd better come to aus to play qualies! lol

and play better than he has lately too. has he 'commence à vraiment bien jouer'? when :scratch:

Marine
11-17-2008, 10:43 PM
When ? He meant only during this match (quarter I think) with micka.... he was just making fun about himself, don't worry Via. lol

soulage
11-18-2008, 02:01 PM
If he can avoid AO qualies it would be great because play qualies for every tournaments must be laborious. I watched the calendar for the beginning of 2009 and I did a schedule for him :lol: :devil:

1 Qualies for Brisbane
2 Qualies For Sydney
3/4 Australian Open
5 Rest
6 St-Etienne Challenger
7 Qualies for Marseille
8 Besançon Challenger
9 Fly to USA for the two MS

http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/fullcalendar/challengers2009.pdf

But if he wants some changes he can go to Chennai for beginning of course lol I don't know if he can really improve his ranking because with the new ATP points it will be a big mess next year :eek: but until may no big pression on him :angel:

Hangdog
11-18-2008, 07:30 PM
He's 97# and it remains only two weeks of competition. AO is near :angel: I watched his ranking breakdown on ATP site and until May 2009 he gets only 30 points to defend well 60 in fact after the doubling of points at the end of the year.
He seems to be lucky enough this time to still be able to get directly into the main draw of the AO :lol:
And what's that about the doubling points? Is it also a part of the new system? Or you mean that since next year there is a rise in points, and e.g. 5 points of the first round turn into 10, we should consider 30 points as 60?
If he can avoid AO qualies it would be great because play qualies for every tournaments must be laborious. I watched the calendar for the beginning of 2009 and I did a schedule for him :lol: :devil:

1 Qualies for Brisbane
2 Qualies For Sydney
3/4 Australian Open
5 Rest
6 St-Etienne Challenger
7 Qualies for Marseille
8 Besançon Challenger
9 Fly to USA for the two MS

http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/fullcalendar/challengers2009.pdf

But if he wants some changes he can go to Chennai for beginning of course lol I don't know if he can really improve his ranking because with the new ATP points it will be a big mess next year :eek: but until may no big pression on him :angel:
Actually there is also a lovely Challenger in New Caledonia that week :angel: :p
Besides, I'd rather believe it's going to be Week 3: AO, Week 4/5: Rest :o
And then he still has high chances for Marseille WC, and Rotterdam qualies would probably be a better option than a Challenger considering again the new ranking points system.

Anyway it's a great idea to make such a schedule for Arnaud, it's going to be fun to see how different our and his actual schedules will be!

soulage
11-18-2008, 08:54 PM
And what's that about the doubling points? Is it also a part of the new system? Or you mean that since next year there is a rise in points, and e.g. 5 points of the first round turn into 10, we should consider 30 points as 60?
Would it be possible for you to explain how the transition from the old to the new points system is going to work? Will all the points at the end of this season be calculated on the new format? Also, what points will be awarded for the different stages of each tournament. Would a Grand slam, for example, be 2000 for the winner, 1750 for the runner-up, 1500 for the semis etc. In other words, increments of 250.
- Meg Millard, Johannesburg, South Africa
At the end of the 2008 season, the points a player has earned in his ranking will be doubled. Starting in 2009, the new ranking structure will be in place with new points structure and new ranking formula. Here is a tournament point breakdown for the different classifications from the quarterfinals-on:
Grand Slam: 2000 (Winner), 1200 (Runner-up), 720 (SF), 360 (QF)
Masters 1000: 1000 (Winner), 600 (Runner-up) 360 (SF), 180 (QF)
ATP 500: 500 (Winner), 300 (Runner-up), 180 (SF), 90 (QF)
ATP 250: 250 (Winner), 150 (Runner-up), 90 (SF), 45 (QF)
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2008news/sharkbites10.asp

I understood that they will have their points doubled but I don't know how many points is done for a first round in AO.


Besides, I'd rather believe it's going to be Week 3: AO, Week 4/5: Rest :o
And then he still has high chances for Marseille WC, and Rotterdam qualies would probably be a better option than a Challenger considering again the new ranking points system.
The week 4 in Australia is for tourisme :angel:; St Etienne & Besançon are 125000$ Challenger with now 100 points for the winner so if you win it it can be good but you have to win lol.

New Caledonia is a very good idea. An happy new year there should be great.

Marine
11-18-2008, 09:39 PM
These tennismen are sooo lucky at this period of the year, only dream destinations, like new caledonia, australia: sea sand sun, and some tennis... :drool:

Bon, dans ce tableau idyllique, saint etienne et besançon ça casse tout ! :lol:

Via
11-18-2008, 11:51 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2008news/sharkbites10.asp

I understood that they will have their points doubled but I don't know how many points is done for a first round in AO.


The week 4 in Australia is for tourisme :angel:; St Etienne & Besançon are 125000$ Challenger with now 100 points for the winner so if you win it it can be good but you have to win lol.

New Caledonia is a very good idea. An happy new year there should be great.

the points system will be complicated next year. i don't think it's so straightforward as to saying that 'he has 60 points to defend', because while the points to drop off will be 60 (by the end of april), the points that he can earn by reaching the same stages in the same tournaments will likely be less than 60. i have seen a calculation for the percentage changes in the new ranking points, and they are not proportional... especially for the earlier rounds, they don't get doubled, far from it.

at least his best performances in 2008 did not come early in the year, otherwise he'd indeed struggle most of next year to earn points.

in the general forum posters have long been complaining that the new system disadvantages those lower ranked players :shrug:

(a post with the points table compared http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7789103&postcount=32 - click link on top right for the entire thread, and you'll find the link for the original article on another website)

btw i remember one year arnaud and other frenchmen did go to new caledonia! they had a great time, i think.

soulage
11-19-2008, 03:46 PM
the points system will be complicated next year. i don't think it's so straightforward as to saying that 'he has 60 points to defend', because while the points to drop off will be 60 (by the end of april), the points that he can earn by reaching the same stages in the same tournaments will likely be less than 60. i have seen a calculation for the percentage changes in the new ranking points, and they are not proportional... especially for the earlier rounds, they don't get doubled, far from it.
You're right I'm a little bit schematic :lol: It will be tough to improve his ranking :sad: and the qualies of 250 & 500 will have high level I suppose but he has 6 month to do a performance :angel:
I scheduled some challengers because it can be good for confidence if you don't play good, but if you have a smart start Rotterdam's qualies are a better choice of course.

Kezzi
11-19-2008, 09:18 PM
He seems to be lucky enough this time to still be able to get directly into the main draw of the AO :lol:
And what's that about the doubling points? Is it also a part of the new system? Or you mean that since next year there is a rise in points, and e.g. 5 points of the first round turn into 10, we should consider 30 points as 60?

Actually there is also a lovely Challenger in New Caledonia that week :angel: :p
Besides, I'd rather believe it's going to be Week 3: AO, Week 4/5: Rest :o
And then he still has high chances for Marseille WC, and Rotterdam qualies would probably be a better option than a Challenger considering again the new ranking points system.

Anyway it's a great idea to make such a schedule for Arnaud, it's going to be fun to see how different our and his actual schedules will be!
At Rotterdam Qualies he will have great supporters :angel:
Maybe Marseille too this year, don't know if I can manage to go yet :)

Via
11-19-2008, 11:22 PM
You're right I'm a little bit schematic :lol: It will be tough to improve his ranking :sad: and the qualies of 250 & 500 will have high level I suppose but he has 6 month to do a performance :angel:
I scheduled some challengers because it can be good for confidence if you don't play good, but if you have a smart start Rotterdam's qualies are a better choice of course.

actually it's hard to say (unless we run some scenarios) what will be the best strategy to 'play' this new ranking system next year. he may earn more points playing challengers, rather than playing qualies and doesn't make it to the main field, or just getting to 1st or 2nd round. so it isn't so much different from now, even though challenger's points don't get raised as much as the 500 and 250 on average.

so for me, your calendar for arnaud is pretty good :angel:

didn't this guy have a mathematics major at school? lol

Hangdog
11-21-2008, 07:59 PM
actually it's hard to say (unless we run some scenarios) what will be the best strategy to 'play' this new ranking system next year. he may earn more points playing challengers, rather than playing qualies and doesn't make it to the main field, or just getting to 1st or 2nd round. so it isn't so much different from now, even though challenger's points don't get raised as much as the 500 and 250 on average.
I don't know if it was posted on GM or not, anyway there was a German article with quite an interesting review. The author has recalculated some players' points earned this year according to the new system and made a certain comparison of two systems.

Ranking/Name/Points (old system)/Points (new system)/Increase

69. Lleyton Hewitt 605 / 730 (+20,6 %)
70. Tommy Haas 600 / 825 (+37,5%)
71. Nicolas Devilder 591 / 690 (+16,8%)
72. Marcos Daniel 591 / 697 (+17,9 %)
73. Oscar Hernandez 584 / 640 (+ 9,6 %)
74. Philipp Petzschner 583 / 593 (+1,7 %)

Hewitt and Haas are two who played not so many tournaments but those were big tournaments - and these guys would have the biggest points increase. Devilder and Daniel mostly played Challenger events, but they were doing very good, each of them won 3 Challenger titles. Hernandez usually took part in not big ATP tournaments, something that as we see wouldn't bring him a large profit if we had a different system already this year. Petzschner could normally be seen at Challenger circuit, too, but he didn't take a title. Though he won ATP Vienna tournament, but it's a "250" event, not a big one, and the difference for this kind of events this and next year is minimal. But if was a "500" event, in this case his points increase would be +44,6%.
(http://zackstennis.blogspot.com/2008/11/das-neue-weltranglisten-system-doppelte.html)

So according to this review the best ways to earn points next year are either play (or at least try to qualify for) bigger tournaments or do very well, i.e. win, Challengers - which is, as I believe, not easy at all. Maybe it is indeed good for confidence, but still it's necessary to win 5 consecutive matches to take the victory.

Via
11-21-2008, 11:25 PM
I don't know if it was posted on GM or not, anyway there was a German article with quite an interesting review. The author has recalculated some players' points earned this year according to the new system and made a certain comparison of two systems.

Ranking/Name/Points (old system)/Points (new system)/Increase

69. Lleyton Hewitt 605 / 730 (+20,6 %)
70. Tommy Haas 600 / 825 (+37,5%)
71. Nicolas Devilder 591 / 690 (+16,8%)
72. Marcos Daniel 591 / 697 (+17,9 %)
73. Oscar Hernandez 584 / 640 (+ 9,6 %)
74. Philipp Petzschner 583 / 593 (+1,7 %)

Hewitt and Haas are two who played not so many tournaments but those were big tournaments - and these guys would have the biggest points increase. Devilder and Daniel mostly played Challenger events, but they were doing very good, each of them won 3 Challenger titles. Hernandez usually took part in not big ATP tournaments, something that as we see wouldn't bring him a large profit if we had a different system already this year. Petzschner could normally be seen at Challenger circuit, too, but he didn't take a title. Though he won ATP Vienna tournament, but it's a "250" event, not a big one, and the difference for this kind of events this and next year is minimal. But if was a "500" event, in this case his points increase would be +44,6%.
(http://zackstennis.blogspot.com/2008/11/das-neue-weltranglisten-system-doppelte.html)

So according to this review the best ways to earn points next year are either play (or at least try to qualify for) bigger tournaments or do very well, i.e. win, Challengers - which is, as I believe, not easy at all. Maybe it is indeed good for confidence, but still it's necessary to win 5 consecutive matches to take the victory.

thanks for posting this :yeah: i hadn't seen it before.

who's up for doing the points for our arnaud? :p

actually i think for all tournaments, not just for challengers, one would get proportionally more points to win it, under the new system. i don't remember how hewitt or haas performed this past year, did they ever advance to some latter stage of a bigger tournament? but yes it should also be more advantageous getting to semis of the slams or masters than semis of a small tournament, relatively speaking (and most certainly if we speak absolutely!)

in summary, points under the new system will be biased towards --> winners or bigger tournaments. you can't say they aren't giving incentives in the right direction... whether or not this makes it harder for rising stars, i have to wait and see. cos it will punish big stars not performing as well, and such players should fall just as hard.

so what a player like arnaud should do? there's no guarantee which way he'll earn more. he may not qualify for bigger tournaments, but he may not win the 5 matches in a challenger either. he's doomed :smash:

soulage
06-09-2009, 08:29 PM
After his new loss in first round i did a points projection considering a first round exit in each tournament :devil: He has 1121 points, he could have 1059 after Rosmalen & only 569 after Wimbledon. This week with 569 points he would have been #135.

We can think that with 750 points you can enter directly USO so Arno will need to win around 200 points in the next three tournaments Rosmalen Wimbledon & Newport. Tough :sad: His last best result is already 20 points that's why winning only first round matches are useless.

It seems he has plan to play a lot this summer so he could improve his ranking but hard to imagine he will avoid USO qualies this year.

soulage
07-31-2009, 07:43 PM
During his loooooong summer break :lol: I checked some useless informations :drink:

As i was fun to read in all articles lately The french veteran Arnaud Clement :lol: I checked the ranking of the veterans players this week. I consider veteran a player born before 1980. In bold there are the players older than Arno.

#17 Stepanek born in november 1978
#18 Blake born in december 1979
#22 Haas born in april 1978
#25 Karlovic born in february 1979
#42 Santoro born in december 1972
#59 Christophe Rochus born in december 1978
#61 Moya born in august 1976
#64 Ljubicic born march in 1979
#72 Hernandez born in april 1978
#73 Marcos Daniel born in july 1978
#75 Gicquel born in march 1977
#80 Kendrick born in november 1979
#84 Hernych born in july 1979
#85 Massu born in october 1979
#91 Kevin Kim born in july 1978
#96 Schuettler born in april 1976
#100 Albert Martin born in august 1978
#101 Ruben Ramirez Hildago born in january 1978
#106 Lapentti born in august 1976
#113 Luczak born in august 1979
#121 Roitman born in may 1979
#125 Russel born in may 1978
#124 Arno born in december 1977
#128 Kiefer born in july 1977
#131 Spadea born in july 1974
#148 Lee born in january 1976
#149 Koubek born in january 1977
#150 Levy born in august 1978
#154 Hrbaty born in january 1978
#156 Vanek born in april 1978
#162 Canas born in november 1977
#165 Chela born in august 1979
#168 De Chaunac born in october 1977
#189 Lisnard born in september 1979

This week there are 34 players born before 1980 in the top 200 = 17%. 11 are older than Arno with 5 with a better ranking. We can conclude is a veteran in the single ranking :angel:

Via
08-03-2009, 04:48 PM
During his loooooong summer break :lol: I checked some useless informations :drink:

As i was fun to read in all articles lately The french veteran Arnaud Clement :lol: I checked the ranking of the veterans players this week. I consider veteran a player born before 1980. In bold there are the players older than Arno.

#17 Stepanek born in november 1978
#18 Blake born in december 1979
#22 Haas born in april 1978
#25 Karlovic born in february 1979
#42 Santoro born in december 1972
#59 Christophe Rochus born in december 1978
#61 Moya born in august 1976
#64 Ljubicic born march in 1979
#72 Hernandez born in april 1978
#73 Marcos Daniel born in july 1978
#75 Gicquel born in march 1977
#80 Kendrick born in november 1979
#84 Hernych born in july 1979
#85 Massu born in october 1979
#91 Kevin Kim born in july 1978
#96 Schuettler born in april 1976
#100 Albert Martin born in august 1978
#101 Ruben Ramirez Hildago born in january 1978
#106 Lapentti born in august 1976
#113 Luczak born in august 1979
#121 Roitman born in may 1979
#125 Russel born in may 1978
#124 Arno born in december 1977
#128 Kiefer born in july 1977
#131 Spadea born in july 1974
#148 Lee born in january 1976
#149 Koubek born in january 1977
#150 Levy born in august 1978
#154 Hrbaty born in january 1978
#156 Vanek born in april 1978
#162 Canas born in november 1977
#165 Chela born in august 1979
#168 De Chaunac born in october 1977
#189 Lisnard born in september 1979

This week there are 34 players born before 1980 in the top 200 = 17%. 11 are older than Arno with 5 with a better ranking. We can conclude is a veteran in the single ranking :angel:

thanks, useless info turns out to be quite interesting :worship:

i consider this age group the 'lost generation' - underachievers as far as the very top of tennis is concerned... only moya had been to #1, and there were others who have retired early... but the survivors do last long!

fabrice is by far the 'french veteran'... and the highest ranked too :eek::eek::worship:

arno hasn't done too badly... at least he's still in one piece, faking injury for his summer break :lol: (and still dating a pretty and famous gf)

Kezzi
08-03-2009, 07:54 PM
Heyhey, don't forget about Nico L, former #6 of the world. :p
Ok, it's not #1, but for me 1-10 counts as the top of tennis. ;)

higherlaw
11-16-2009, 02:38 PM
New ranking as of today is #65. Up 28!

soulage
11-16-2009, 03:04 PM
From #143 the 12th october to #65 the 16th november :worship: Impressive last month :angel:
The only player older than him with a better ranking is Gicquel.

Kezzi
11-16-2009, 07:11 PM
Impressive! :worship:

Via
11-16-2009, 11:43 PM
:worship:

certainly will help with tournament entries in january, feb.

Marine
01-17-2010, 12:00 PM
#55 this week :D:D

Kezzi
01-17-2010, 09:22 PM
#55 this week :D:D
:woohoo:

Catchie
01-17-2010, 10:28 PM
#55 this week :D:D

:yippee:

Michael.
03-07-2010, 10:14 PM
01.03.2010
#72. :sad:

soulage
12-30-2010, 07:18 PM
During his loooooong summer break :lol: I checked some useless informations :drink:

As i was fun to read in all articles lately The french veteran Arnaud Clement :lol: I checked the ranking of the veterans players this week. I consider veteran a player born before 1980. In bold there are the players older than Arno.

This week there are 34 players born before 1980 in the top 200 = 17%. 11 are older than Arno with 5 with a better ranking. We can conclude is a veteran in the single ranking :angel:
As I did it 1 year and a half I checked again the rank of players born before 1980 in the single ranking :silly: :lol:

Today there is only 8 players :eek: born before 1980 in the top 100. They are Ljubicic, Stepanek, Karlovic, Ramirez Hildago, Clement, Schuettler,Daniel and Russel and they are only 16 in the top 200 so from 17% in top 200 in mid 2009 to 8% end of 2010. That's go down :wavey: even if some of them are trying come back like Blake or Haas.

I count only 5 players older than Arno still able to be consider as activ on the single tour. They are Schuettler, Lapentti, Delgado, Koubek and Gicquel. I mean i can't count Bastl or Dupuis as activ players :lol: and I should put off Lapentti from the list but i was not sure about his retirement :confused: So indeed Arno almost belongs to the five oldest players taking part to the single tour :eek: :hatoff:

All this to see how each month and each year are bonus years and tough it is to play over 30 years in single.

Kezzi
12-30-2010, 08:07 PM
When I first read Lapentti in what you consider active players, my first thought was "You call him active? :eek:" But then I read the rest. :)
I never heard of official retirement, so I still have hopes he will come back one more time... But since he has this insanely beautiful gf he spends a lot of time with lately and didn't play DC against Romania because of injury, so I think we can consider him practically retired. :sad:

soulage
12-30-2010, 08:55 PM
Yes it's because i found any official retirement annonces that i have put him first but he's not activ since RG and i doubt we'll see him again.
But since he has this insanely beautiful gf he spends a lot of time with lately
:lol: is a father ? because lately many players retired after the birth of a baby and some injury of course like Moya, Hrbaty or Kiefer. The baby seems the way to call veterans injured players to stop the efforts of a come back.

Kezzi
12-30-2010, 09:29 PM
:lol: is a father ? because lately many players retired after the birth of a baby and some injury of course like Moya, Hrbaty or Kiefer. The baby seems the way to call veterans injured players to stop the efforts of a come back.
:lol:
Didn't hear anything of retirement, but also didn't hear anything of a baby. :p
I think the gf is quite a lot younger than him, so don't know if there will be a baby anytime soon. ;)
Though babies don't have to lure players into retirement per se. Nenad, Nestor, Mika, Haas, Gilou and Federer have kids, but don't see them retiring. :)

soulage
12-30-2010, 09:35 PM
Though babies don't have to lure players into retirement per se. Nenad, Nestor, Mika, Haas, Gilou and Federer have kids, but don't see them retiring. :)
When the players are quite old for the tour and almost injured the baby is often a good reason to not try a come back that why i quoted Kiefer Moya or Hrbaty who were veterans and hoping a come back almost like Lapentti. Gilles is too young to retire :angel:

Fat Camel
12-31-2010, 06:01 PM
But grass is still very good for veterans!
Last player over 30 who reached Grand Slam semifinal was Haas in 2009 at Wimbledon. And Schuettler in 2008 also in Great Britain, it could be Arnaud, what unluck for Clement to stop at 6-6 40-40 on his serve.(
In 2010 nobody repeated their success, but anyway, Rainer looked great on grass tournaments before Wimbledon!

Via
01-01-2011, 01:21 AM
As I did it 1 year and a half I checked again the rank of players born before 1980 in the single ranking :silly: :lol:

Today there is only 8 players :eek: born before 1980 in the top 100. They are Ljubicic, Stepanek, Karlovic, Ramirez Hildago, Clement, Schuettler,Daniel and Russel and they are only 16 in the top 200 so from 17% in top 200 in mid 2009 to 8% end of 2010. That's go down :wavey: even if some of them are trying come back like Blake or Haas.

I count only 5 players older than Arno still able to be consider as activ on the single tour. They are Schuettler, Lapentti, Delgado, Koubek and Gicquel. I mean i can't count Bastl or Dupuis as activ players :lol: and I should put off Lapentti from the list but i was not sure about his retirement :confused: So indeed Arno almost belongs to the five oldest players taking part to the single tour :eek: :hatoff:

All this to see how each month and each year are bonus years and tough it is to play over 30 years in single.

great analysis :worship:

apart from arno whom i'm partial to.... most of the 30+ active top players are not very attractive to look at :devil:

which brings us back to the other discussion about babies... could they still be playing, because they can't find someone to have babies with :devil::devil: :lol:

ahhhh sorry for such sexist talk :haha:

kukka
01-02-2011, 02:23 AM
I just read couple of days ago that Kiefer retired. He wanted to start a new life with his wife and newborn baby girl. :)

Kezzi
01-02-2011, 09:30 AM
great analysis :worship:

apart from arno whom i'm partial to.... most of the 30+ active top players are not very attractive to look at :devil:

which brings us back to the other discussion about babies... could they still be playing, because they can't find someone to have babies with :devil::devil: :lol:

ahhhh sorry for such sexist talk :haha:
Well, I think Nico L is :hearts: and Gicquel is kind of cute too. ;)

Oh, Ljubicic has kids I believe. :) And doesn't Gicquel also have one? :scratch:

Via
01-03-2011, 01:25 AM
Well, I think Nico L is :hearts: and Gicquel is kind of cute too. ;)

Oh, Ljubicic has kids I believe. :) And doesn't Gicquel also have one? :scratch:

lapentti is of course a hottie but we've agreed that he isn't 'active' anymore.

never seen ljubo's kids, you know how behind i am. but he's not so good looking in my books and he still fits my theory :lol:

tennis is back on tv now... i feel sorry for all aussies who have to wait so long for some free viewing :o

soulage
01-16-2011, 06:57 PM
Nice signature Kezzi, Gilles's smile is cute

Arno is 113# Not that Bad :lol: First time out top 100 since october 2009.

Kezzi
01-16-2011, 07:30 PM
Thanks :) I do have to get used to pics in my sig, I hope I don't annoy people with it, cause it makes my sig bigger. But since I have a premium account now, I'd better use what I paid for. ;) Hopefully I can also make a similar one for Arnaud sometime this year. :p

Oh, 113 indeed isn't that bad at all. :) I'm not good at ranking watch, so it's always a surprise where he ends up. :lol:

soulage
04-05-2011, 12:08 PM
#127 this week and the cut for RG is next monday ranking. It's officially over for MD :sad: He will have to ask a WC even if according the french gazette he could not :confused: If it's his last RG I wouldn't be shocked if he asked for one even if he's not a young player to help :lol: Let's see what the organizers will decide and if Arno will ask for a MD WC.

His double ranking is now #110 :rolleyes: He also need WC for doubles :o

Fat Camel
04-05-2011, 07:56 PM
Yes...and i don't see Wimbledon or USOpen organizers giving Arnaud a WC.
Qualies in Winbledon are almost inevitable or he should do something extraordinary on..clay!!:eek: The only chance are two grass tournaments before the main, because it's gonna be very tough for poor Arnaud to play qualies on his favourite Grand Slams.

soulage
11-23-2011, 12:41 PM
Arno who finishes the year outside the top 100 :sad: I think he should be at worst 152# or 153#

Interesting stats by Voo de Mar on his site http://voodemar.com/?p=4859

Arno played 317 ATP level tournaments; I have 314 in my count but it doesn't matter it shows that Arno is in the very short list of players who played more than 300 ATP tournaments during his carreer

Kezzi
11-24-2011, 03:22 PM
Santoro :eek:

soulage
01-18-2012, 07:42 PM
As I did it 1 year and a half I checked again the rank of players born before 1980 in the single ranking :silly: :lol:

Today there is only 8 players :eek: born before 1980 in the top 100. They are Ljubicic, Stepanek, Karlovic, Ramirez Hildago, Clement, Schuettler,Daniel and Russel and they are only 16 in the top 200 so from 17% in top 200 in mid 2009 to 8% end of 2010. That's go down :wavey: even if some of them are trying come back like Blake or Haas.

I count only 5 players older than Arno still able to be consider as activ on the single tour. They are Schuettler, Lapentti, Delgado, Koubek and Gicquel.
As every year I've updated my veteran file :lol: :silly: I found every year player we don't heard about but who are still playing :scratch:

Among players born before 1980 this week which means at least 32 YO.

They are 3 in top 50 Chela, Ljubicic, Stepanek ;
3 others in top 100 Blake, Russel, Karlovic;
10 between top 100-200 Schuettler, Gicquel, Galvani, Ramirez-Hidalgo, Haas, Schukin, Hernych, Silva, Phau and Arno with only 3 in top 150.

= Still 8% in top 200 but only 4% in top 150.

In top 500 the oldest activ players is Schuettler born in 1976. From 1977 so older than Arno they are Gicquel, Galvani, Sabau, Di Mauro all have light schedule now.

Player are often playing their best season around 30 YO now :cool: so I think the stats will improve next years but 32/33 is nowadays the avarage limit of competitivity Everybody is not Santoro or Connors :lol:

Via
01-20-2012, 04:58 AM
soulage is also amazing with stats :worship: