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Queen's or Halle?

KarstenBraasch#1
06-07-2006, 10:23 PM
Vote!

Scotso
06-07-2006, 10:28 PM
Queens

Carito_90
06-07-2006, 10:30 PM
Queens, absolutely.

Andre♥
06-07-2006, 10:31 PM
Halle. Why? Federer plays there.

DrJules
06-07-2006, 10:35 PM
Queens has stronger field.

oneandonlyhsn
06-07-2006, 10:36 PM
I like Halle

1) Fed will be there
2) I like the atmosphere
3) The grass is supposedly a lot similar to Wimby than Queens

jenanun
06-07-2006, 10:47 PM
queens absolutely

Deivid23
06-07-2006, 10:49 PM
World Cup

Pea
06-07-2006, 10:50 PM
Pathetic Halle, please. I don't have to see ugly tennis in Queens.

ufokart
06-07-2006, 10:52 PM
Queens

But Halle is nice too, i like the whole grass season :)

williaer
06-07-2006, 11:01 PM
Queens... For me, the situation is similar to that of Sydney or Kooyong as a lead up to the Australian Open.
Kooyong and Queens are a no brainer: better players play there (therefore better competition and better matches for us to watch) and it's closer to the tournament site (in the same city) so you can get used to the surroundings, and settled into where you're staying and can even practice on the Wimbledon courts!

JMG
06-07-2006, 11:02 PM
Difficult to say, but I prefer Halle.

With Federer, Nalbandian, Baghdatis, Kiefer, Nieminen, Haas, Berdych, Gasquet, Rochus, Safin playing in Halle you can't say that Queen's is much better.

Trivial
06-07-2006, 11:23 PM
Difficult to say, but I prefer Halle.

With Federer, Nalbandian, Baghdatis, Kiefer, Nieminen, Haas, Berdych, Gasquet, Rochus, Safin playing in Halle you can't say that Queen's is much better.


Queens is much better :)

Maybe that is a good lineup but 'most' of the true grass court threats are at Queens.

Rgask
06-07-2006, 11:33 PM
Probably Halle...Federer,Nalby nd gasquet playin there....

RaVeR
06-07-2006, 11:36 PM
Queens is much better

Aleksa's Laydee
06-07-2006, 11:39 PM
Queens...end of ;)

ys
06-07-2006, 11:44 PM
Federer+Safin=infinitely more excitement than whoever is there in London..

NYCtennisfan
06-07-2006, 11:45 PM
Queen's has tradtion and a good field, but Halle has Federer. The greatest player on grass means a lot, just like a tournament with Nadal means so much no matter who else is competing.

Deboogle!.
06-07-2006, 11:49 PM
HELLO NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR.

BYE plays Queens

Therefore, Queens wins, it's not even close!!!!!

Geez people.

shotgun
06-07-2006, 11:51 PM
Don't really have a favourite between the two.

LilyRoseAva
06-08-2006, 01:15 AM
HALLE for me

fenomeno2111
06-08-2006, 01:18 AM
World Cup
:clap2: Like GWH said: the only grass action i'll be watching will be the World Cup. :worship:

oz_boz
06-08-2006, 09:14 AM
Halle thanks to Fed and Nalby. Would be even better with Karlovic.

MariaV
06-08-2006, 09:17 AM
Marat's in Halle.

yanchr
06-08-2006, 09:26 AM
Halle has Roger which almost means everything on grass. But personally I like Queen's better. Maybe in the future Roger will play Queen's for a change.

bokehlicious
06-08-2006, 10:02 AM
Halle. Why? Federer plays there.

:yeah:

BlackSilver
06-08-2006, 10:06 AM
HELLO NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR.

BYE plays Queens

Therefore, Queens wins, it's not even close!!!!!

Geez people.


After that, this thread can be closed :)

BlackSilver
06-08-2006, 10:07 AM
Federer+Safin=infinitely more excitement than whoever is there in London..

Sure, Safin is a grass court god

Action Jackson
06-08-2006, 10:12 AM
After that, this thread can be closed :)

If I was a mod, then it would be done and the Bye thread will be a sticky :p

mandoura
06-08-2006, 10:33 AM
World Cup

:lol: Yes.

Halle. It has Roger :inlove: & Marat :hearts: .

Chris Seahorse
06-08-2006, 10:36 AM
Queens for me but I am biased since I live in London. Also I think it very important to the continuation of grasscourt tennis that there are grasscourt events outside Great Britain too and as such I consider Halle to be very important to the tennis calender as well. If they were to extend the grasscourt season by a week as I hope eventually they will I hope they add one or two more grasscourt events in continental Europe.

VamosEspaña
06-08-2006, 10:53 AM
Why does Federer always play in Halle?
Maybe because of prize money? Of course he's got enough money and the difference of pm between Halle and Queen's would be sure peanuts for him. But he knows how to earn money economically :devil:

Halle
rd/pts/pm
W/45/€ 96,000
F/31/€ 56,500
SF/20/€ 33,200
QF/11/€ 19,550
R16/4/€ 11,500
R32/1/€ 6,755

Queen's
rd/pts/pm
W/45/€ 80,500
F/31/€ 47,400
SF/20/€ 27,850
QF/11/€ 16,400
R16/4/€ 9,650
R32/2/€ 5,670
R56/1/€ 3,335

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/500.asp
http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/311.asp

Will he really come to Halle this year, if he plays the final at RG??? :confused:

yanchr
06-08-2006, 11:01 AM
Why does Federer always play in Halle?
Maybe because of prize money? Of course he's got enough money and the difference of pm between Halle and Queen's would be sure peanuts for him. But he knows how to earn money economically :devil:

Halle
rd/pts/pm
W/45/€ 96,000
F/31/€ 56,500
SF/20/€ 33,200
QF/11/€ 19,550
R16/4/€ 11,500
R32/1/€ 6,755

Queen's
rd/pts/pm
W/45/€ 80,500
F/31/€ 47,400
SF/20/€ 27,850
QF/11/€ 16,400
R16/4/€ 9,650
R32/2/€ 5,670
R56/1/€ 3,335

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/500.asp
http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/311.asp

Will he really come to Halle this year, if he plays the final at RG??? :confused:
huh, I don't think the difference of the prize money will ever come into his eyes :confused: He simply loves to play in Germany and he always does well in Wimbledon after playing Halle. Just no need to change I guess.

I assume he will still play Halle, or he will go to Wimbledon without one single match on grass. That's somewhat dangerous even for him.

Deea
06-08-2006, 11:14 AM
"pathetic" Halle! a lot of reasons, but the most important: Roger & Marat! ;)

mr_burns
06-08-2006, 11:29 AM
I hate the rain, therefore halle


and I think the field is too large in queens...16 BYes, do we really need them


But this year they have the stronger field , but this changes every year

Neely
06-08-2006, 11:48 AM
Generally it's Halle for me.

But this can change quickly, depending on who is left after the first rounds, how the quality of the grass is and how much rain there is. Last year, for example, I quickly liked Queen's a lot of more ;)

Let's finish the dust this week and then procede to the real fun :cool: :yeah:

VamosEspaña
06-08-2006, 11:48 AM
huh, I don't think the difference of the prize money will ever come into his eyes :confused: He simply loves to play in Germany and he always does well in Wimbledon after playing Halle. Just no need to change I guess.

I assume he will still play Halle, or he will go to Wimbledon without one single match on grass. That's somewhat dangerous even for him.
I agree with you :D
I don't think either that Federer decides in consideration of the prize money where to play. I also think he loves to play in Halle and he also said to drive to Halle by himself.

Unfortunately there are people who depreciate this tournament in Halle because it's a small size one in a small town. I wanted to show them that this event was as good (or big) as Queen's. ;)

Agassi Aces
06-08-2006, 12:05 PM
QUEENS!

oz_boz
06-08-2006, 12:11 PM
Sure, Safin is a grass court god

No, in fact he's a joke on grass. He would probably never go deep enough to face Roger, and if the played Roger would win in straights. ;)

Halba
06-08-2006, 12:12 PM
i like both

both are excellent tune-ups...but no more than tune-ups...as they have just come from the clay...and clay court clowns suddenly transform into grass court gods like Karlovic

Matty
06-08-2006, 12:28 PM
Queen's for me :)

Purple Rainbow
06-08-2006, 12:37 PM
Newport. Easily.
With ex-winners like Peter Wessels and Wayne Arthurs just know that Newport is the tournament where reputations are made or broken.

All_Slam_Andre
06-08-2006, 12:37 PM
The reasons why Federer should stick will Halle:
1 - The place Halle is a small and relaxing place. It is ideal in-between tournaments in Paris and London, which are big, bustling and hectic cities.
2 - It keeps him out of the way of the intense media which always gathers in this country ahead of wimbledon, for at least a week longer.
3 - He doesn't have to worry about rain delays as all his matches are on that centre court with the retractable roof.

All_Slam_Andre
06-08-2006, 12:39 PM
And also Federer loves playing in Germany and his record in tournaments there is phenomenal

marifline
06-08-2006, 01:01 PM
Halle has the best players, but Queen's is much more classy and Wimbish IMO

Jimnik
06-08-2006, 02:22 PM
Off course I'll think Queens is nicer because I'm a member but the grass courts seem to be kept up better in London than in Germany. When I see the Halle courts at the end of the week, they look totally brown - much worse than any other grass court.

But at least Halle has a retractable roof.

Deboogle!.
06-08-2006, 03:33 PM
...16 BYes, do we really need them...I can't believe you asked this question here. I am rendered speechless as to what to say. GWH, someone, please fill him in as to why I am so upset by this.

Golfnduck
06-08-2006, 04:46 PM
QUEENS!!!!!

CooCooCachoo
06-08-2006, 06:55 PM
Queen's is nicer to watch on TV. Halle's field is more interesting to me.

jenanun
06-08-2006, 08:04 PM
Queen's is nicer to watch on TV. Halle's field is more interesting to me.

what is the field of halle?

jenanun
06-08-2006, 08:09 PM
I assume he will still play Halle, or he will go to Wimbledon without one single match on grass. That's somewhat dangerous even for him.

nah, that won't be a problem for roger...

borg has a winning streak of 41 matches on grass (six years)... all happened in wimbledon...

i think roger can do the same....


but if he go into the final in RG, and if he has to play aginst rafa...

winning or not, its going to be a long and tough match...

if he doesnt withdraw, there may be a chance that his winning streak on grass will be stopped......

BlackSilver
06-08-2006, 10:10 PM
No, in fact he's a joke on grass. He would probably never go deep enough to face Roger, and if the played Roger would win in straights. ;)


I was being ironic

musefanatic
06-08-2006, 10:15 PM
gotta be Queens

stebs
06-08-2006, 10:19 PM
Queens of course. It should be an AMS.

Conita
06-08-2006, 11:54 PM
World Cup
:yeah: :devil:

partygirl
06-09-2006, 12:06 AM
i wish i could actually see the matches at queens. those of you who can are quite lucky.

Yappa
06-09-2006, 12:09 AM
No US coverage? Not even TTC?

partygirl
06-09-2006, 12:17 AM
That im not sure of since its not available in my area & in most of the U.S.:fiery::sad:

Clara Bow
06-09-2006, 12:27 AM
No US coverage? Not even TTC?

I think we get the quarters on, but as partygirl said- unfortunately not everyone in the US can get TTC.

partygirl
06-09-2006, 12:48 AM
:sobbing:http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/violent072.gif

idolwatcher1
06-09-2006, 12:52 AM
the poll choices... :lol:
I say Queen's because, well... because "wonderful" is better than "pathetic", right?... :)

where's my treat?... :tape:

Fergie
06-09-2006, 02:44 AM
Halle

The Daviator
06-09-2006, 03:09 AM
Queens, 'cos it's where Rafa will win his first grass court title :rocker2:

robert6061
06-09-2006, 03:42 AM
Queens is a vastly superior tournament. It reputedly has the best grass courts in the WORLD, even better than Wimbledon and the wonderful courts at Devonshire Park Eastbourne. Halle has the benefit of a retractable roof but the grass courts there resemble a cow field! I also hate how the roof casts shadows on the court when the sn is shining. So many players over the years have severely criticised the courts there. Playing in Queens also enables players to rent accomodation for a month in London for the entire grass court season without having to move from place to place. Queens is a much better bet...Nadal has made the change from playing Halle last year to playing Queens this year.

bad gambler
06-09-2006, 05:04 AM
Halle because I will be there :rocker2:

Deboogle!.
06-09-2006, 05:06 AM
I think we get the quarters on, Yeah, that's correct. :)

AgassiDomination
06-09-2006, 07:11 AM
Queens, yo.

oz_boz
06-09-2006, 08:27 AM
I was being ironic

That makes two of us ;)

Kristen
06-09-2006, 02:11 PM
Wherever Björkman is. :shrug:

ys
06-09-2006, 07:10 PM
I think it is almost certain now that Federer will withdraw.. With Dave withdrawn as well field kind of getting weaker..

JMG
06-09-2006, 07:27 PM
Kiefer is also uncertain - I really hope he can play.

Caren
06-09-2006, 08:13 PM
i wish i could actually see the matches at queens. those of you who can are quite lucky.

:eek: Really, omg we get it on 2 channels over here the whole week :retard:

I'm so done with RG right now so i'm counting down the hours til Queens starts lol :bounce:

edit- I voted Queens btw :wavey:

Chris Seahorse
06-09-2006, 11:38 PM
Has to be said, one can make a reasonable arguement in favour of both places in terms of which place has come up with the best main draw. But take a look at the qualifying draws of both tournaments. Queens has the better qualifying draw to an extent that it is beyond comparison. No contest.

KarstenBraasch#1
06-09-2006, 11:52 PM
EXACTLY!

KarstenBraasch#1
06-09-2006, 11:54 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/posting/2006/311/QS.pdf :worship:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/posting/2006/500/QS.pdf :spit:

Yappa
06-10-2006, 12:41 AM
I think it is almost certain now that Federer will withdraw.. With Dave withdrawn as well field kind of getting weaker..

It is? I think, Federer could play Wednesday, no? And Wimbledon is still the most important tourney for him, so he needs practice. Of course he could just take a WC and play in Rosmalen.

JMG
06-10-2006, 12:59 AM
:eek: Halle Q really improved this year!

ys
06-10-2006, 05:24 AM
It is? I think, Federer could play Wednesday, no? And Wimbledon is still the most important tourney for him, so he needs practice.

Just can't imagine him playing Halle whatever the outcome of the Sunday's match.. If he wins, the achievement will be so monumental, that will surely take at least a week off and enjoy the moment. The day after you complete the Grand Slam, the last thing that would come to your mind is having to play some mickey mouse tournament. Roger can win Wimbledon with no warmup, any doubts about it? And if he loses, I am sure he won't be willing to hold a racquet few days at least. The biggest match of his career. By far. Against his nemesis. The amount of emotional and nervous energy spend by them two on Sunday will be sufficient to light New Jersey for a week, I am sure..

Lee
06-10-2006, 05:46 AM
The day after you complete the Grand Slam, the last thing that would come to your mind is having to play some mickey mouse tournament.

Federer won that 'mickey mouse' event from 2003-2005.

ys
06-10-2006, 05:56 AM
Federer won that 'mickey mouse' event from 2003-2005.

Did he play any RG finals in those years?

tangerine_dream
06-17-2006, 04:37 AM
Interesting article from TR.net about the Queens vs Halle battle:

A battle of grass court tournaments
Queen's v. Halle, round 10
By Chris Bowers, Special to TennisReporters.net

PLAYING AT QUEEN'S
Rafael Nadal
Andy Roddick
James Blake
Lleyton Hewitt
Andre Agassi
Ivan Ljubicic

PLAYING AT HALLE
Roger Federer
Marat Safin
Richard Gasquet
David Nalbandian

FROM LONDON – Whatever anyone thinks of the pro tennis calendar, it does generally avoid serious clashes between tournaments. Of course, in ATP International Series weeks when there are two or even three events in the same slot, tournament directors compete for the best players, but the geographical spread of the events means bitter competition is kept to a minimum.

That cannot be said for this week's two principal grass court warm-up events for Wimbledon, the Stella Artois Championships at London's historic Queen' s Club, and the state-of-the-art Gerry Weber Open in the sleepy north German town of Halle-in-Westfalia. For more than a decade, the two have been battling it out to be recognised as the best grass court tournament outside Wimbledon, and this year has been no exception.

The two tournaments couldn't be more different. Queen's is rooted in British tennis tradition. Its current incarnation dates from 1981, and its title sponsor – the Belgian brewery Stella Artois – has been there since the beginning, which has led to the event becoming known in British tennis circles as "the Stella," much the way "the Lipton" became a synonym for Key Biscayne in the 1980s.

Being in west London, the Stella offers players who are likely to do well at Wimbledon the chance to rent an apartment in the city for four weeks (Rafael Nadal is doing so this year) and get some practice and match play on grass courts the equal of Wimbledon's if not better. The biggest downside is that most of the tournament infrastructure is temporary: the majority of seats on the 7,000-seater centre court are on scaffolding, the press facilities are in a row of squash courts, and the interview room is a converted meeting room adorned with lines from Rudyard Kipling's iconic poem "If".

Until 1993, Queen's was recognised as the pre-eminent pre-Wimbledon grass court event. Even when in 1990 the municipality of Rosmalen near the Dutch city of 's Hertogenbosch launched its tournament, it hardly threatened the Queen's hegemony.

NEW POWER IN GERMANY

But then came Halle.

In 1973, Gerhard Weber, an ambitious design student ,began making fashionable clothing in his garage aimed at the more mature woman. Within 10 years his "Gerry Weber" brand had proved a great hit, and he became a millionaire. A tennis fan, Weber decided to devote his private energies into making his home town a tennis centre and, in 1992, he was given a Challenger tournament to stage on the local clay courts. He clearly saw this as an audition for a slot in the full ATP tour calendar, and he was duly given the week before Wimbledon in 1993.

Weber was furious. He remonstrated with the ATP that he couldn't run a decent clay court event the week before Wimbledon, but the ATP held firm. His son Ralf, then in his mid-20s, suggested they should accept the slot and build grass courts. Thus was Germany's first and only grass court tournament born under the provocative slogan "Wimbledon begins in Halle."

The Webers (Ralf is now tournament director though his father still pulls most of the strings) hired the former Wimbledon groundsman Jim Thorn and his son, Phil, and told them to install championship-quality grass courts within nine months. When the Thorns told the Webers this wasn't enough time, they were told that if they wouldn't do it, someone else would. The Thorns got on with the job, and rewrote conventional wisdom about how to prepare grass courts.

Anyone who has crossed Gerhard Weber's path knows he doesn't take "no" for an answer when he wants something. Angered by losing a day of his first tournament to rain, he announced in November 1993 that he was putting a roof over his 12,300-seater stadium (in which, somewhat absurdly, two thirds of the population of Halle can fit!) and the roof duly appeared in June 1994.

Weber also said the week before Wimbledon wasn't good enough for his aspirations and applied for a week earlier to compete with Queen's. Queen's protested, and the ATP said no. So Weber did a deal with Rosmalen to swap slots, offering Rosmalen one or two of his players into the bargain. The ATP and Queen's had to accept the fait accompli, and since 1997 Queen's and Halle have occupied the same week, much to Queen's chagrin.

The two events compete fiercely to attract the best players, though some prefer one to the other. While the downside of the makeshift Queen's infrastructure is countered by its location in London, Halle's purpose-built facilities and on-site hotel (with nearby golf course) make up for the fact that it's a good 80-minute drive from the nearest international airport (Hannover). Some players opt for the intimacy and rural quietness of Halle, while others like the hustle and bustle of a global metropolis.

In recent years, Queen's has had the better of the fields. This year it had Rafael Nadal, Ivan Ljubicic, Andy Roddick, James Blake, Lleyton Hewitt and Andre Agassi, while Halle had to make do with Roger Federer, David Nalbandian (who then didn't show after picking up a stomach injury in Paris), Marat Safin, and Richard Gasquet. But then Halle has had the subsequent Wimbledon champion for the past three years, and if Federer wins his fourth Gerry Weber Open on Sunday, he will equal Björn Borg's record of 41 consecutive victories on grass dating from 1976-81, gaining vital publicity for Halle, which this year is also competing with the World Cup.

The one area the two don't compete is on home-grown players – no British player has ever played in Halle, while the only Germans to play at Queen's are those ranked too low to make Halle's 32-draw field (Queen's has 56). As such the presence in Saturday's semi-finals of Tim Henman at Queen's and Tommy Haas in Halle are the only success stories not gained at the other tournament's expense.

But while Queen's may be getting the better fields at present, Halle's purpose-built infrastructure and centre court roof represents a trump card if ever the disparate powers in world tennis decide to re-jig the calendar and have a Masters Series tournament on grass. In that battle Halle would win hands-down; Queen's must hope it's a battle that is never fought.