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When Nadal finally beats Fed on grass

virtue05
06-07-2006, 03:23 PM
For some reason, I don't understand why everyone hates Nadal, he seems like he is a nice kid, and he is not arrogant at all, but everyone seems to have a disdain torwards him.

Everyone is talking about how great Federer is and how many grandslams he is going to win, but I think Nadal is going to be a chink in his high and mighty armour. What is going to be said when this kid finally learns how to play on grass? He has stated that he does want to be number one and he wants to win Wimbledon.

betterthanhenman
06-07-2006, 03:27 PM
For some reason, I don't understand why everyone hates Nadal, he seems like he is a nice kid, and he is not arrogant at all, but everyone seems to have a disdain torwards him.

Everyone is talking about how great Federer is and how many grandslams he is going to win, but I think Nadal is going to be a chink in his high and mighty armour. What is going to be said when this kid finally learns how to play on grass? He has stated that he does want to be number one and he wants to win Wimbledon.

:zzz:

Deboogle!.
06-07-2006, 03:28 PM
Rafa has to make the finals at wimbledon for that to happen. There are plenty of guys who can beat Rafa on grass before then :)

Xristos
06-07-2006, 03:31 PM
Rafa will and cannot beat Fed on grass. Period.

nobama
06-07-2006, 03:32 PM
:yawn:

Johnny Groove
06-07-2006, 03:33 PM
Rafa will and cannot beat Fed on grass. Period.

and you will and cannot beat anyone on any surface

betterthanhenman
06-07-2006, 03:33 PM
Rafa will and cannot beat Fed on grass. Period.

That should say 'Rafa will not and cannot beat Fed on grass.'

Still a poor sentence but at least you wouldn't be contradicting yourself. :)

texasgirl
06-07-2006, 03:34 PM
Not everyone hates him not even close. But the minority are vocal. Rafa is very popular throughout Europe. It's really a French and only French thing. As far as Wimbledon, I really do think he will find a way eventually. But I'm a Rafa fanatic, so I have to believe.

Scotso
06-07-2006, 03:35 PM
Rafa might win Wimbledon, but not for a long time. He needs to beef up his serve and change his game somewhat... and then he needs to be a little lucky. :p

He won't beat Federer right now on grass anyway, and might never be able to do that... unless Federer's block against Nadal would even extend to the cow pastures.

supersexynadal
06-07-2006, 03:56 PM
Federer only fans I dont wanna hear ur opinion! Jk...

I believe that rafa can achieve this goal once, maybe twice. We need to give him a few years. He kind of has to "study" for it like a test. This year, im hoping he gets past the 3rd round and im hoping that he does well in Halle for some confidence. He said that his problem on grass is his serve and even more his confidence and that can be worked on. As for the other slams, he has a chance of winning AO and USopen many times in his coming career

bokehlicious
06-07-2006, 04:10 PM
For some reason, I don't understand why everyone hates Nadal, he seems like he is a nice kid, and he is not arrogant at all, but everyone seems to have a disdain torwards him.

Everyone is talking about how great Federer is and how many grandslams he is going to win, but I think Nadal is going to be a chink in his high and mighty armour. What is going to be said when this kid finally learns how to play on grass? He has stated that he does want to be number one and he wants to win Wimbledon.


:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

Monteque
06-07-2006, 04:22 PM
For some reason, I don't understand why everyone hates Nadal, he seems like he is a nice kid, and he is not arrogant at all, but everyone seems to have a disdain torwards him.

Everyone is talking about how great Federer is and how many grandslams he is going to win, but I think Nadal is going to be a chink in his high and mighty armour. What is going to be said when this kid finally learns how to play on grass? He has stated that he does want to be number one and he wants to win Wimbledon.

NOT A CHANCE. I MEAN FOR GOOOODS.

I doubt even he'll reach semi. Let alone to final and beat Fed....
And if Fed doesnt't play, there must be somebody else will kick his ass...
His room just and only in French and that's not safe as long as Fed exist in this planet.

tangerine_dream
06-07-2006, 04:26 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing Rafa play at Queens. I admire the fact that he wants to do well on grass. :cool:

jenanun
06-07-2006, 04:26 PM
NOT A CHANCE. I MEAN FOR GOOOODS.

I doubt even he'll reach semi. Let alone to final and beat Fed....
And if Fed doesnt't play, there must be somebody else will kick his ass...
His room just and only in French and that's not safe as long as Fed exist in this planet.

there was once people said nadal RG 2005 is a fluke
there was once people said nadal will never win a title on hard court....
there was once people said nadal will never win a title indoor
there was once people said nadal cannot beat federer again (after RG SF 2005)
(i can dig out all those posts when i got time...)

message to bring home:
never underestimate nadal's ability. he is just 20...

what was federer doing at 20? seriously

(then people bring up hewitt....)

still... too early to exclude nadal's chance on grass....

oneandonlyhsn
06-07-2006, 04:28 PM
His extreme western grip will always be a hindrance on grass.

Guybrush
06-07-2006, 04:31 PM
They will never meet in Wimbledon because Nadal will never reach final :D

zicofirol
06-07-2006, 04:31 PM
still... too early to exclude nadal's chance on grass....

No, he just does nto have the game for it, period.He will never be good on grass, he might get to a 4th round in Wimbledon on grass if he gets an easy draw but I think any grass or fast courst specialist could beat him on grass.

Deivid23
06-07-2006, 04:33 PM
there was once people said nadal RG 2005 is a fluke
there was once people said nadal will never win a title on hard court....
there was once people said nadal will never win a title indoor
there was once people said nadal cannot beat federer again (after RG SF 2005)
(i can dig out all those posts when i got time...)

message to bring home:
never underestimate nadal's ability. he is just 20...

what was federer doing at 20? seriously

(then people bring up hewitt....)

still... too early to exclude nadal's chance on grass....


Wise words.

If Ljubicic has made RG SF, why can´t Nadal do the same in London some year? :confused:

Rgask
06-07-2006, 04:34 PM
I dont think Rafael's playing style suits the grass-->surface....There-fore he'll continue 2 be gud on clay and hard but not grassssss

FedFan
06-07-2006, 04:36 PM
There are too many young players who are more talented than him on grass. Gasquet, Murray, Djokovic and Ancic will be a big thread in the near future.

Federer, Nalbandian, Roddick and Hewitt will be serious contenders the next few years. Sorry, I can't see Nadal win Wimbledon.

rofe
06-07-2006, 04:37 PM
Let him win AO first (that is the next best slam that he is likely to win) then we will talk about the green stuff.

Deivid23
06-07-2006, 04:39 PM
Let him win AO first (that is the next best slam that he is likely to win) then we will talk about the green stuff.

I can perfectly talk about the green stuff at current time :confused:

jenanun
06-07-2006, 04:40 PM
No, he just does nto have the game for it, period.He will never be good on grass, he might get to a 4th round in Wimbledon on grass if he gets an easy draw but I think any grass or fast courst specialist could beat him on grass.

it seems logical to say that...
but still, cannot underestimate nadal..

see, agassi and hewitt don't have so called the 'perfect game for grass'...

they can still win wimbledon...

so tell me, why cannot nadal improve his game on grass?
why?
has he done with all improvement in tennis?

i know his heavy topspin is not a weapon on grass.... but, does it mean, he is so effective in his defensive game means he cannot improve his serve or volley at all????

nevermind... maybe i m talking completely b***shit
or maybe i m right...

only time will tell...

yanchr
06-07-2006, 04:41 PM
Maybe with a good draw and some luck, he will reach QF or even semi-final, but that'll be it.

rofe
06-07-2006, 04:44 PM
I can perfectly talk about the green stuff at current time :confused:

Ok, that is up to you. Doesn't it get smelly up there from time to time? :D

Monteque
06-07-2006, 04:57 PM
there was once people said nadal RG 2005 is a fluke
there was once people said nadal will never win a title on hard court....
there was once people said nadal will never win a title indoor
there was once people said nadal cannot beat federer again (after RG SF 2005)
(i can dig out all those posts when i got time...)

message to bring home:
never underestimate nadal's ability. he is just 20...

what was federer doing at 20? seriously

(then people bring up hewitt....)

still... too early to exclude nadal's chance on grass....

I'm just curious how big Nadal can achieve when he 24 later.

Nadal's style is just south and north comparing what he need to be good on grass. If he trying to change style, be ready to loss all his rhythm. It just like said Roddick will win on clay and Gaudio on grass. Absurd.

He has no enough powerful serve and when on clay he just hit the drive on spin so heavily to get the ball in. And when you on grass, high bouncing ball that he usually hit is 100% pointless but his full Western grip doesnt enough effective to swing up low bouncing ball...and that's what you need on very fast surface. Maybe he could improve a little bit but he won't change style drastically but walking straight to final i think it's impossible.

TheMightyFed
06-07-2006, 05:01 PM
He could do something, if he serves a bit faster and goes to the net more. He has the passing shot, the return. His footwork is more suspect though on grass... but don't write off Nadal, the guy's a phenomenon.

vincayou
06-07-2006, 05:01 PM
On the senior tour maybe.

Deivid23
06-07-2006, 05:05 PM
On the senior tour maybe.

Good to see you´ve changed your mind, I love to see surprised faces :D

DDrago2
06-07-2006, 05:08 PM
there was once people said nadal RG 2005 is a fluke
there was once people said nadal will never win a title on hard court....
there was once people said nadal will never win a title indoor
there was once people said nadal cannot beat federer again (after RG SF 2005)
(i can dig out all those posts when i got time...)

message to bring home:
never underestimate nadal's ability. he is just 20...

what was federer doing at 20? seriously

(then people bring up hewitt....)

still... too early to exclude nadal's chance on grass....

Wise words.


Alexandar Waske... Alexandar Waske... Who was this guy?

vincayou
06-07-2006, 05:12 PM
Good to see you´ve changed your mind, I love to see surprised faces :D

:p
I reserve myself the right to change my mind.

I don't think he'll beat Fed on grass if Fed is still in the top10, but I think that he can win Wimbledon one day.

jenanun
06-07-2006, 05:13 PM
They will never meet in Wimbledon because Nadal will never reach final :D

if thats the case,

the good news is...

nadal will never have to worry about the h2h against federer...

(and we can see 20-3 by the time federer retire.... :devil: )

Xristos
06-07-2006, 05:18 PM
and you will and cannot beat anyone on any surface
I will wipe your ass with ease.

Jimnik
06-07-2006, 05:20 PM
Rafa has to make the finals at wimbledon for that to happen. There are plenty of guys who can beat Rafa on grass before then :)
Unless Rafa loses to Ljubicic. Then Andy will get the no.2 seeding at Wimbledon ;)

yanchr
06-07-2006, 05:24 PM
if thats the case,

the good news is...

nadal will never have to worry about the h2h against federer...

(and we can see 20-3 by the time federer retire.... :devil: )
It could be 50-3, no problem with that as long as Roger wins one RG ;) :wavey:

tennisgal_001
06-07-2006, 05:25 PM
It's too early for this. I think Nadal can win Wimby one day, maybe in his mid-20s or so (when he's convinced enough that he should change his style), but at the moment there are many guys out there better than him on the surface (Ancic, Roddick, Hewitt, Nalby, Murray, Djokovic, Berdych, etc.....), I don't think it's realistic to say that he'll get to the final AND defeat Federer... defies all logic. Plus, Federer is 25 in August, and probably has around 6 yrs. of pro tennis on the ATP tour left. I don't think Nadal will be able to make the transition before then.

Jimnik
06-07-2006, 05:28 PM
Nadal will never win Wimbledon. He'll never be able to hit the ball flat enough and he'll never get into a rhythm.

Johnny Groove
06-07-2006, 05:28 PM
I will wipe your ass with ease.

:haha: I prefer to wipe my own ass, thanks.

scoobs
06-07-2006, 05:35 PM
Ah. Today's Federer-Nadal minidrama, whipped up for your entertainment.

GASP! at some of the nonsense people say

GAWP! at the ability to treat speculation as fact.

MARVEL! that people can, day after day, keep talking about the same things over and over again and never get sick of it.

Days Of Our Federer/Nadal Lives - exclusively on MTF.

Deivid23
06-07-2006, 05:36 PM
but I think that he can win Wimbledon one day.

So no more in senior tour? :sad:

Monteque
06-07-2006, 05:39 PM
I hope he can reach semi one day

tennisgal_001
06-07-2006, 06:20 PM
So no more in senior tour? :sad:

lol... nah, his body will be smack by then

tennisgal_001
06-07-2006, 06:21 PM
Ah. Today's Federer-Nadal minidrama, whipped up for your entertainment.

GASP! at some of the nonsense people say

GAWP! at the ability to treat speculation as fact.

MARVEL! that people can, day after day, keep talking about the same things over and over again and never get sick of it.

Days Of Our Federer/Nadal Lives - exclusively on MTF.

:worship:
ROTFLMAO!!!

TennisGrandSlam
06-07-2006, 06:25 PM
For some reason, I don't understand why everyone hates Nadal, he seems like he is a nice kid, and he is not arrogant at all, but everyone seems to have a disdain torwards him.

Everyone is talking about how great Federer is and how many grandslams he is going to win, but I think Nadal is going to be a chink in his high and mighty armour. What is going to be said when this kid finally learns how to play on grass? He has stated that he does want to be number one and he wants to win Wimbledon.

If Nadal finally beats Fed on grass, the world will not end and the globe is still rotating.

But the fact that it does not occur yet! :cool:

Conversely, When Fed finally beats Nadal on clay, ....

what does you think? :rolleyes:

tennisgal_001
06-07-2006, 06:30 PM
If Nadal finally beats Fed on grass, the world will not end and the globe is still rotating.

But the fact that it does not occur yet! :cool:

Conversely, When Fed finally beats Nadal on clay, ....

what does you think? :rolleyes:

Federer has a higher chance at beating Nadal on clay, than Nadal beating him on grass!

DDrago2
06-07-2006, 06:35 PM
Alexandar Waske has a higher chance of beating Nadal on grass, than Nadal beating Federer on grass. What's more, he already did it.

ExpectedWinner
06-07-2006, 06:38 PM
For some reason, I don't understand why everyone hates Nadal.

Speak for yourself.

vincayou
06-07-2006, 06:45 PM
So no more in senior tour? :sad:

One day, he won't need to beat Federer to win Wimbledon.

Fed on grass -> senior tour.

Johnny Groove
06-07-2006, 06:45 PM
Ah. Today's Federer-Nadal minidrama, whipped up for your entertainment.

GASP! at some of the nonsense people say

Law 1 :wavey:

GAWP! at the ability to treat speculation as fact.

Law 3 :wavey:

MARVEL! that people can, day after day, keep talking about the same things over and over again and never get sick of it.

Law 21 :wavey:

Days Of Our Federer/Nadal Lives - exclusively on MTF.

:haha: :haha:

Argenbrit
06-07-2006, 07:09 PM
It's not gonna happen. Nadal will never beat Federer on grass. And he won't make the Wimbledon final 1) because he can't play on grass as well as he plays on clay, 2) other players are way better than Nadal on grass, 3) he won't be the nº2 seed at Wimbledon, Roddick or Nalbandian will be.

It's not just because "everyone hates Nadal", it's a fact.

Clara Bow
06-07-2006, 07:17 PM
If it does ever happen, and I’m not saying if it will or will not- I expect that MTF will explode into itself much like the house in Poltergeist.

R.Federer
06-07-2006, 07:20 PM
If that were to happen, I will be most willing to concede the de facto No.1 position to rafa
I don't expect it to happen however; grass will not be as kind to his spins as clay and hc are

ChloeLove
06-07-2006, 07:20 PM
He has the desire, he is young, and he can learn to play grass. He actually did quite well on grass in juniors. One day . . .

rofe
06-07-2006, 07:23 PM
Never is too strong a word. I don't think anyone expected Hewitt to win Wimbly but he did. Nadal still needs to change his game quite a bit for it to work effectively on grass so lets see.

jenanun
06-07-2006, 07:33 PM
It's not gonna happen. Nadal will never beat Federer on grass. And he won't make the Wimbledon final 1) because he can't play on grass as well as he plays on clay, 2) other players are way better than Nadal on grass, 3) he won't be the nº2 seed at Wimbledon, Roddick or Nalbandian will be.

It's not just because "everyone hates Nadal", it's a fact.

tell me, how do you define the word 'fact'?


nadal will never beat federer on grass is a fact?

no, it is a speculation

nadal won't make the wimbledon final is a fact?

again, no, it is a speculation

it may be highly unlikely, but definately not a fact... ;)

tennisgal_001
06-07-2006, 07:39 PM
If that were to happen, I will be most willing to concede the de facto No.1 position to rafa
I don't expect it to happen however; grass will not be as kind to his spins as clay and hc are

I think by the time Nadal makes it to the Wimby final or smthg, Federer will be long gone, and he'll probably be the #1 player then.

Argenbrit
06-07-2006, 07:47 PM
tell me, how do you define the word 'fact'?


nadal will never beat federer on grass is a fact?

no, it is a speculation

nadal won't make the wimbledon final is a fact?

again, no, it is a speculation

it may be highly unlikely, but definately not a fact... ;)

True, it's speculation. It's still unlikely though. However, it probably is a fact that Nadal won't be the 2nd seed in Wimbledon this year. :)

jenanun
06-07-2006, 08:00 PM
True, it's speculation. It's still unlikely though. However, it probably is a fact that Nadal won't be the 2nd seed in Wimbledon this year. :)

probably is a fact, is NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!! (either a fact or not, but not probably)

anyway... i think you are probably right on this..... :rolleyes:

ugotlobbed
06-08-2006, 12:30 AM
For some reason, I don't understand why everyone hates Nadal, he seems like he is a nice kid, and he is not arrogant at all, but everyone seems to have a disdain torwards him.

Everyone is talking about how great Federer is and how many grandslams he is going to win, but I think Nadal is going to be a chink in his high and mighty armour. What is going to be said when this kid finally learns how to play on grass? He has stated that he does want to be number one and he wants to win Wimbledon.

why do u even give a crap get a life ur not going to change how ppl think gg

R.Federer
06-08-2006, 12:47 AM
I think by the time Nadal makes it to the Wimby final or smthg, Federer will be long gone, and he'll probably be the #1 player then.
the thread title was about nadal beatin Fed (not just making it to the Wimbly final....), hence I said that if it were to happen, then he would have beat Fed on Roge's best ever surface and at that point I would give him the No. 1 position in my mind (I said it so confidently because I don't expect it to happen)

mangoes
06-08-2006, 12:49 AM
Frankly, I expect Nadal to make it to the quarters of Wimbledon this year..........

asotgod
06-08-2006, 01:13 AM
Frankly, I expect Nadal to make it to the quarters of Wimbledon this year..........

It depends on the draw. If he meets any of the big servers early, he will be in trouble. Frankly, he would have tried if he gets to the fourth round this year. His balls just sit up too much for people to tail off on, and no matter how fast you are you cant retrieve all those shots. Also add to that the fact that he has no aura advantage on grass over anybody and then you can pretty much tell how many of those matches will pan out. His game is just not suited for the surface and that has nothing, IMO, to do with how long he has played on it, but on his style. He would have to do quite a lot of retooling just to be able to make headway in Wimbledon.

Scotso
06-08-2006, 04:03 AM
If it does ever happen, and I’m not saying if it will or will not- I expect that MTF will explode into itself much like the house in Poltergeist.

Nah... we'd simply have 50 threads of excuses, 500 philosophical discussions on how it could happen, some 10,000 or so posts of each side bashing the other... and then life would go on.

Fedex
06-08-2006, 05:55 AM
Lets talk about grass and Wimbledon, when we arrive at that point. Right now, I'd rather focus on who's going to win RG. It should be interesting. :)

connectolove
06-08-2006, 10:29 AM
Rafael will spend some time in London training on grass. I have no idea what will come out of it since this kid is very unpredictable, but I hope that he improves enough to pass quarters and get at least to the semis in Wimby. :worship: :worship:

zicofirol
06-08-2006, 03:45 PM
Frankly, I expect Nadal to make it to the quarters of Wimbledon this year..........
He can if he gets Ferrer, Gaudio, Robredo etc. As the seeds in his draw and h3 then plays Montanes in the first round,lol.

Tom_Bombadil
06-08-2006, 04:18 PM
I'd also like to state my opinion on this controversia.

First of all, I really believe some of you guys who think Nadal is just another dirtballer are underrating him. The usual dirtballer stays in the baseline and gives his all. I mean, usually clay is a battle of power, opening angles, looking for the flatter strokes, for the most powerful strokes... so you really have the feeling that if you battle some guy who is inspired you're going to lose. And that happens to a lot of famous dirtballers (as you call them despectively). It's a really tough battle and that speaks of the importance of Rafa's 58 consecutive victories on this surface. You simply can't win 58 consecutive matches on clay simply by being just another dirtballer. His game has more than 'one dimension'. :rolleyes:

Second. Do you really believe you understand Nadal's game intrinsecally? I mean, I think you the detractors simply don't see what kind of game the kid has. Do you really think his power relies only in his incredible defensive skills? Do you believe Nadal can't be aggressive? Do you really believe the only thing he does is hit the ball all the hard he can and run? If you believe that then you don't appreciate his game.

The obvious reason for the too defensive issue is this: he takes the rythm of the game cause he understands it intrinsecally (at least on clay). And that's why other players believe they're in control most of the time. But the guy simply is too conservative, not making errors, all that stuff... just because he doesn't need it to be other way. Did you, who really love the game of tennis, see the final at Rome? The guy is too deffensive but suddenly out of nowhere he begins to play incredible aggressive tennis that takes Federer out of the court and in the most important time in the match, the final tie-break. The, then 19 year old teenager, had just failed a cross forehand winner with 0-30 in the last games... but the guy after saving the two match points and in the tie-break suddenly moves Federer all over the court with incredible aggressive strokes (not even flat ones :rolleyes: ) and repeats the same stroke and this time goes to the line. Does this guy knows what nerves are? I thought when I saw it, what a wonderful player!

Yeah, too much for a one dimensional player. He's mentally a titan, even stronger than Federer. Yes, see that final tie-break at Rome (all the way up at the score for Federer) but suddenly Nadal is the aggresor. The guy can't play aggressively but he does it in the most important point of the match overtaking the best tennis player in history, with that pressure? Yeah, sure. The guy only runs and deffends. ;)

Don't subbestimate Nadal please. You're doing a very bad thing to the game of tennis doing that. If you really love tennis you simply have to love Nadal (and Federer of course).

Oh, come on. Do you really believe play aggessive is such an incredible thing? I mean, all kind of players can play aggressively that are not even as good as Nadal. From my point of view: hit as crazy, run, open angles, run, hit more crazy... this is the easy thing to do. You don't need to have too much skills to do that, only be in a good form. (Paul Henry Matthieu for example, he did the match of his life. he certainly play aggressively and gave his all... not enough. Do you believe the guy is going to play always like that. To play aggressively can be done by a lot of players at certain times depending on their form, public support, external reasons... but the ability to control the rythm and do it whenever you want and when you really need it is pretty different).