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Quarterfinalists' avarage ranking played

BATES
06-05-2006, 04:29 PM
DJOKOVIC 27º (Horna, Gonzalez, Haas, Monfils)

BENNETAU 50,5º (Tipsarevic, Baghdatis, Stepanek, Martin)

DAVYDENKO 51º (Spadea, Saretta, Moya, Gaudio)

NADAL 53º (Soderling, Kim, Mathieu, Hewitt)

NALBANDIAN 78º (Wawrinka, Gasquet, Tursunov, Vassallo Arguello)

FEDERER 87,75º (Hartfield, Falla, Massu, Berdych)

LJUBICIC 98,75º (Berlocq, Hernandez, Monaco, Ramirez Hidalgo)

ANCIC 108º (Healey, Capdeville, Montañes, Robredo)

elroyf
06-05-2006, 04:29 PM
Interesting stat

Deivid23
06-05-2006, 04:33 PM
Booo, Nadal always weak draw, Federer always tough one :(

fenomeno2111
06-05-2006, 04:34 PM
The two croats had it easy....

croat123
06-05-2006, 04:35 PM
The two croats had it easy....
jealous?

especially ancic. playing a 5 setter with robredo on clay is really easy

Flibbertigibbet
06-05-2006, 04:35 PM
Djokovic. :worship:

Freeze17171
06-05-2006, 04:39 PM
Ljubicic has the easiest path into the semis in a Grand Slam in recent memory, but hey, he's taking advantage and getting the job done.

rofe
06-05-2006, 04:47 PM
jealous?

especially ancic. playing a 5 setter with robredo on clay is really easy

Haters will be haters. Mario has really blossomed this clay season. Taking out Robredo was impressive.

ys
06-05-2006, 05:34 PM
Davydenko had a couple of former champs.. Sounds like the toughest draw to me.. Other than that .. nothing remarkable..

betterthanhenman
06-05-2006, 08:22 PM
Interesting stat

Very.

stebs
06-05-2006, 08:26 PM
Davydenko had a couple of former champs.. Sounds like the toughest draw to me.. Other than that .. nothing remarkable..
Davydenko's draw is altogether very tough. Assuming he were to win the title he would likely have to beat:

Moya, Gaudio, Nalbandian, Federer, Nadal

Of course, chances are he won't beat all those guys but that's a tough draw. 5 top quality opponents.

fenomeno2111
06-05-2006, 08:28 PM
jealous?

especially ancic. playing a 5 setter with robredo on clay is really easy
Am I saying anyhting bad about it. I'm just saying they had it easier than Djokovic or Davydenko for example. I know it's a great run for Ancic but other than that match he had it relatively easy. You are the haters I didn't said they didn't deserved it!

tennismaster882001
06-05-2006, 08:34 PM
Ranking here and in Wimbledon doesn't mean so much as in the other grand slams, it's about who is good player on clay! But interesting stats!

Jairus
06-05-2006, 09:12 PM
Interesting stat

Really? I don't think so. I'd say that average isn't really an effective tool, because I'm sure Nadal would rather play two players ranked 50 and 51 rather than a guy ranked 100 and Federer at 1. Maybe a more effective measure would be to take an average or rankings points, then write down the ranking of the player who would be at those rankings. For example, with federer:

Hartfield: 265
Falla: 309
Massu: 885
Berdych: 1390
Total: 2849
Avg: 712.25
Rank: 56

vs. Ancic

Healey: 205
Capdeville: 355
Montañes: 411
Robredo: 2020
Total: 2991
Avg: 747.75
Rank: 53


This way, the significance of beating a top ten player (Robredo) has more weight than the fact that Ancic had players ranked in the top 200 instead of Federer's top 100, since both players probably have almost an equally low chance of causing difficulty for a top player. Note however that they are close because Massu + Berdych about equals a Robredo plus a low ranked player. This way, the higher ranked opponents dictate the strength of draw calculation. In otherwords, the difference between 110 and 100 should be less than the difference between playing 20 vs 10, and this rankings based calculation does that. I don't have the time or will do to the others, but feel free to do so.

El Legenda
06-05-2006, 09:14 PM
are we factoring that Ljubicic played clay court specialist?

but nice try :wavey:

Jairus
06-05-2006, 09:17 PM
are we factoring that Ljubicic played clay court specialist?

but nice try :wavey:


Yea well, if the rankings themselves are flawed, what can I do? ;)

I did the best I could and helped out Ancic. :D

Jairus
06-05-2006, 09:21 PM
Really? I don't think so. I'd say that average isn't really an effective tool, because I'm sure Nadal would rather play two players ranked 50 and 51 rather than a guy ranked 100 and Federer at 1. Maybe a more effective measure would be to take an average or rankings points, then write down the ranking of the player who would be at those rankings. For example, with federer:

Hartfield: 265
Falla: 309
Massu: 885
Berdych: 1390
Total: 2849
Avg: 712.25
Rank: 56

vs. Ancic

Healey: 205
Capdeville: 355
Montañes: 411
Robredo: 2020
Total: 2991
Avg: 747.75
Rank: 53


This way, the significance of beating a top ten player (Robredo) has more weight than the fact that Ancic had players ranked in the top 200 instead of Federer's top 100, since both players probably have almost an equally low chance of causing difficulty for a top player. Note however that they are close because Massu + Berdych about equals a Robredo plus a low ranked player. This way, the higher ranked opponents dictate the strength of draw calculation. In otherwords, the difference between 110 and 100 should be less than the difference between playing 20 vs 10, and this rankings based calculation does that. I don't have the time or will do to the others, but feel free to do so.


To be fair to my fellow Fed fans...his Strength of Draw will skyrocket after playing Ancic and either Nalby or Davydenko, while Nadal's will stall without much benefit from Novak (and maybe JB! :eek: - don't want to give out too much Ljubicic love at once :D )

Freeze17171
06-05-2006, 09:58 PM
are we factoring that Ljubicic played clay court specialist?

but nice try :wavey:

Yeah, four clay court "specialists" that range from absolutely terrible to somewhat decent. None of those 4 come close to quality on clay.

El Legenda
06-05-2006, 10:17 PM
Yeah, four clay court "specialists" that range from absolutely terrible to somewhat decent. None of those 4 come close to quality on clay.

Hidalgo beat Coria 2x , Guadio, Ferrer,Almagro, safin this year
and Monaco had few good wins

:wavey:

ufokart
06-05-2006, 10:24 PM
Hidalgo beat Coria 2x , Guadio, Ferrer,Almagro, safin this year

Defeating Coria, Gaudio and Safin this year is not a great achievement, considering how they are playing :lol:

But Ljubicic has done well in his least favorite surface and for a player that isn't supposed to be good on clay he has made some good achievements and i wouldn't complain about his "easy draw".

Leo
06-05-2006, 11:04 PM
Ljubicic has the easiest path into the semis in a Grand Slam in recent memory, but hey, he's taking advantage and getting the job done.

Probably the weakest in history.

Freeze17171
06-05-2006, 11:15 PM
Hidalgo beat Coria 2x , Guadio, Ferrer,Almagro, safin this year
and Monaco had few good wins

:wavey:

Hence the "somewhat decent" part of it, however, nobody is putting RRH or Monaco on a list of the 20 best clay courters as of this moment.

Scotso
06-05-2006, 11:37 PM
are we factoring that Ljubicic played clay court specialist?

but nice try :wavey:

Nice try yourself.

NYCtennisfan
06-06-2006, 12:36 AM
Really? I don't think so. I'd say that average isn't really an effective tool, because I'm sure Nadal would rather play two players ranked 50 and 51 rather than a guy ranked 100 and Federer at 1. Maybe a more effective measure would be to take an average or rankings points, then write down the ranking of the player who would be at those rankings. For example, with federer:

Hartfield: 265
Falla: 309
Massu: 885
Berdych: 1390
Total: 2849
Avg: 712.25
Rank: 56

vs. Ancic

Healey: 205
Capdeville: 355
Montañes: 411
Robredo: 2020
Total: 2991
Avg: 747.75
Rank: 53


This way, the significance of beating a top ten player (Robredo) has more weight than the fact that Ancic had players ranked in the top 200 instead of Federer's top 100, since both players probably have almost an equally low chance of causing difficulty for a top player. Note however that they are close because Massu + Berdych about equals a Robredo plus a low ranked player. This way, the higher ranked opponents dictate the strength of draw calculation. In otherwords, the difference between 110 and 100 should be less than the difference between playing 20 vs 10, and this rankings based calculation does that. I don't have the time or will do to the others, but feel free to do so.

Good point.

Guybrush
06-06-2006, 04:28 AM
The two croats had it easy....

Ancic played against the #7 (Robredo) and now plays against #1 (Fed). Not so easy for him. On the other way DAMN LUCKY lucky, nothing to argue here ;)

Jairus
06-06-2006, 04:43 AM
Good point.

Thanks.
As an aside, how the hell do you do all the number crunching you do? Those few numbers made me bored and despondent, so I didn't finish the list. Your work is amazing (if detrimental to some company somewhere). :worship:

Jimnik
06-06-2006, 04:47 AM
DJOKOVIC 27º (Horna, Gonzalez, Haas, Monfils)

BENNETAU 50,5º (Tipsarevic, Baghdatis, Stepanek, Martin)

DAVYDENKO 51º (Spadea, Saretta, Moya, Gaudio)

NADAL 53º (Soderling, Kim, Mathieu, Hewitt)

NALBANDIAN 78º (Wawrinka, Gasquet, Tursunov, Vassallo Arguello)

FEDERER 87,75º (Hartfield, Falla, Massu, Berdych)

LJUBICIC 98,75º (Berlocq, Hernandez, Monaco, Ramirez Hidalgo)

ANCIC 108º (Healey, Capdeville, Montañes, Robredo)
No wonder the Croats are having such a nice tournament.

Have to hand it to Benneteau and Djokovic. :worship:

CooCooCachoo
06-06-2006, 05:35 AM
I actually believe Nalbandían has had the easiest road, seeing as Gasquet is pretty much crap this year and after injury too, Tursunov does not like clay very much :ignore:, Vassallo Arguello is a decent claycourter who peaks here at RG but is still substandard compared to Dahveed and well, Wawrinka has not been spectacular either. All other players have had tougher opponents on their way.

madmanfool
06-06-2006, 07:58 AM
Probably the weakest in history.

Nah, Hewitt in Wimbledon 2002 was easier :p

CooCooCachoo
06-06-2006, 06:06 PM
By the way, I think Ancic did not have an easy draw.