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Barcelona: Nico Almagro def. Guillermo Coria 6-2, 6-0

Björki
04-27-2006, 11:25 AM
:eek:

vamos Nico :bounce:

daze11
04-27-2006, 11:27 AM
guille only had time to make 14 doubles! :lol: that was the worst loss of coria's career AND in just 51 minutes. total whitewash.

al-magro d. el-mago...he will need to recover from that one. :o

Grinder
04-27-2006, 11:27 AM
Coria only won 6 points in the second set and hit 7 double faults in that set alone. :lol:

Vamos Nico, way to serve up the bagel, but if Costa gets through, I'm gonna have to root for him. :yeah:

mallorn
04-27-2006, 11:29 AM
:eek:

Almagro has had great results recently. :hatoff:

Poor Coria though. So it was his serve that was his undoing again? :o

CooCooCachoo
04-27-2006, 11:32 AM
:lol: :help:

daze11
04-27-2006, 11:32 AM
:eek:

Almagro has had great results recently. :hatoff:

Poor Coria though. So it was his serve that was his undoing again? :onot completely but initially. he started to double ALWAYS at key moments, even as late as 30-30 0-4 in the 2nd...but like when up 30-15 in the first game of the second, he doubled 3 times in a row to give almagro the game. what a way to start the 2nd huh?

but the point is: that was a clear message for almagro to SMELL FEAR and he loved it.

cant even take this one seriously. it is truly a 'throw away' ...not that he didnt try, however.

and almagro HAS had great results as you said--he's 12-4 this year! a lot of players would like to make that claim.

Truc
04-27-2006, 11:34 AM
al-magro d. el-mago...he will need to recover from that one. :oI don't think so, he obviously didn't even try, winning only 6 points in the whole 2nd set.
Sometimes, he's probably just sick of df-ing and gives up.
I can understand him, but of course, it's ugly to watch for the crowd.

Loftra
04-27-2006, 11:34 AM
Really funny serve stats for Coria, once again

0 aces
1st serve 46%
1st serve won 68%
2nd serve won 14%
14 DF's

Nathaliia
04-27-2006, 11:34 AM
has he considered working with a sport psychologist? i have got a feeling he starts being afraid of his own serve and it rather has to impact the other game elements

Yappa
04-27-2006, 11:35 AM
That result is so sad. :sad:

ReturnWinner
04-27-2006, 11:35 AM
uhhh? why the suprise? this was expected since he is playing the worst tennis i have ever seen in him, obviously coz his serve. he should ve got trashed like this by mathieu last week

bad gambler
04-27-2006, 11:36 AM
time to serve underarm, and I am being serious

daze11
04-27-2006, 11:36 AM
I don't think so, he obviously didn't even try, winning only 6 points in the whole 2nd set.
Sometimes, he's probably just sick of df-ing and gives up.
I can understand him, but of course, it's ugly to watch for the crowd.do you think he didnt try??? :scratch: or did almagro start pounding winners with confidence? considering he almost beat him last year, i'm just not that surprised...i mean coria is miles better but in this state, not so.

*Ljubica*
04-27-2006, 11:37 AM
Well done Nico :bigclap: And thanks for winning me quite a lot of money - "real" not vCash :)

daze11
04-27-2006, 11:38 AM
has he considered working with a sport psychologist? i have got a feeling he starts being afraid of his own serve and it rather has to impact the other game elementsfor some reason, he avoids it. someone on the tennis channel suggested, in all seriousness, dr. phil. :lol:

Alvarillo
04-27-2006, 11:43 AM
Mucho Nicooooooooooo :eek: :eek: :eek:

Guille :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
04-27-2006, 11:46 AM
Maybe he needs to go under hypnosis or something.

I am far from the Weasel's biggest fan, but that has nothing to do with tennis at all. Now, the serving yips are crippling the rest of his game and the quality of his game isn't seen as often and he is going to continue to get punished by players with more mental strength than Mathieu or Kiefer.

Billabong
04-27-2006, 11:47 AM
poor Guillermo, he totally lost confidence in his serve, and now it's been a while..

DhammaTiger
04-27-2006, 11:47 AM
Congratulations to Nico Almagro :bounce: :yeah: :hatoff: at last his performance is matching his talents :) But I am very sad for Coria :sad: despite everything he is a nice guy and a great player I just hope his game returns back to where it hould be.

fyi
04-27-2006, 11:56 AM
:confused: Did Coria play badly or Almagro play well ? :confused:

propi
04-27-2006, 12:05 PM
I've already said it before :D
Watch out for Nico in Roland Garros :bounce:

daze11
04-27-2006, 12:08 PM
:confused: Did Coria play badly or Almagro play well ? :confused:
both. but it may be coria thought the only form of winning playing like this was to not play, and give less satisfaction to almagro. in all the other matches these past few weeks, he was breaking serve a lot & making those games very close. today, he just didnt bother, and lost games at love. when he double-faulted 3 straight points, once getting up 30-15 in the 1st game of the 2nd, to self-break serve, it appears thats where he threw in the towel.

not calling him a quiter or a tanker in this--he is never that. but i think everyone can understand when i say i think he just wanted to get into the shower.

connectolove
04-27-2006, 12:09 PM
Poor Coria, somehow I wanted him to do well.

Anyhow, congrats to my fellow countryman Nico Almagro. He is performing great lately and he will give Nadal a run for his money.

rrfnpump
04-27-2006, 12:10 PM
Guille :speakles: :sad:

MariaV
04-27-2006, 12:15 PM
Guille :sad: :(

Truc
04-27-2006, 12:15 PM
has he considered working with a sport psychologist? i have got a feeling he starts being afraid of his own serve and it rather has to impact the other game elementsHe's asked about it in every interview, for months now. He says he doesn't want to work with a psychologist, I'm not too sure he says everything about this because Perlas once said they tried that too and then corrected his own statements in later interviews, saying it wasn't really a psychologist, rather a specialist in team working... It didn't make much sense to me. I could imagine Coria did try to work with a psychologist, but doesn't want to talk about it with the journalists.
I guess they already try everything to solve the problem. And Higueras is not stupid, Coria seems to trust him, I think he will do what Higueras suggests.

hitchhiker
04-27-2006, 12:20 PM
he will snap out of the serving disaster. even kournikova did and she didnt even care.

mangoes
04-27-2006, 12:42 PM
Coria:hug: I fear a terrible 2006 season may be in store for you..........hopefully, you'll recover.............:sad: :sad:

sonia
04-27-2006, 12:49 PM
:eek:

Congrats Nico!!

Tennis Fool
04-27-2006, 01:49 PM
When did Coria's serving troubles begin? :confused: Was he injured at one time and lost his serving motion?

federated
04-27-2006, 01:57 PM
:sad: poor guille

almouchie
04-27-2006, 01:58 PM
it isnt like Coria to break down like that
ALmagro is on a quite impressive run

daze11
04-27-2006, 02:11 PM
When did Coria's serving troubles begin? :confused: Was he injured at one time and lost his serving motion?the exact source is unknown but it certainly started after his '05 coach tried to change his game to rush net a lot, which started making him uncertain at a tactical level, because that was antithetical to his game of winning long points by wearing down his opponent. :lol: not to mention, he didnt really have a great instinct for how & when to approach net.

that uncertainty then went into his serve, which became a whole separate monster, well-after coria stopped 'shortening points by attacking net' --which was a hair-brained scheme by perlas, if ever there was one...talk about not understanidng your player's game. :rolleyes:

i cant say for CERTAIN there is a connection between the tactical uncertainty of that time and these double faults...but he wasnt doubling when he first finished with the shoulder surgery--in fact he was serving quite harder than before! and in one match had 8 aces! so, thats why i go ahead & draw that conclusion.

but he was already double faulting in umag last year, a tournament which he still won. but if you remember the us open, his QF against ginepri was lost on two successive doubles.

lorenz
04-27-2006, 02:22 PM
Just on word:

pathetic (http://www.dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=58041&dict=CALD)

I'm very angry with Coria, because he said that "he didn't like psychologists. It's not for me" or something like that.

I think he need hypnosis, psychology terapy, yoga, mind control, Acupuncture (http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/band71/b71-3.html), Homeopathy (http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/band116/b116-8.html), Aromatherapy (http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/neurol/aromadement.html), electro-shock, and a very strong kick in his ass.

Come On Coria !!!

daze11
04-27-2006, 02:29 PM
and a very strong kick in his ass. i think he just got that part, my friend. ;)

NINA_BCN
04-27-2006, 02:30 PM
:bolt:

oz_boz
04-27-2006, 02:38 PM
Expected, with Coria as of lately.

Truc
04-27-2006, 03:00 PM
What do you mean when you write "he needs a very strong kick in the ass"? You think he isn't aware of the problem and doesn't already try everything to solve it? He's been mortified by this serve issue for months now, he says in some interviews how ashamed he feels when he is df-ing like crazy. For a guy as proud as Coria, making a fool of himself like this already is a good "kick in the ass", I think.

All the talk about sports psychologist, as if it was the miraculous solution, drives me nuts. You think he just needs a few sessions with a psychologist and everything will be fine?!

Rogiman
04-27-2006, 03:03 PM
All the talk about sports psychologist, as if it was the miraculous solution, drives me nuts. You think he just needs a few sessions with a psychologist and everything will be fine?!
No, but he must try everything within his powers, and rulling out seeing a psychologist is rather strange, all the more when it's clear the problem is not just physical.

NYCtennisfan
04-27-2006, 03:11 PM
This is really sad to see. It IS time to serve underarm at this point.

I don't think any of the top players want a piece of Almagro anytime soon.

zicofirol
04-27-2006, 03:15 PM
the exact source is unknown but it certainly started after his '05 coach tried to change his game to rush net a lot, which started making him uncertain at a tactical level, because that was antithetical to his game of winning long points by wearing down his opponent. :lol: not to mention, he didnt really have a great instinct for how & when to approach net.

that uncertainty then went into his serve, which became a whole separate monster, well-after coria stopped 'shortening points by attacking net' --which was a hair-brained scheme by perlas, if ever there was one...talk about not understanidng your player's game. :rolleyes:

No youre wrong. Perlas understood that with his gamestyle Coria had reached all that he could at #3 and that he could not win a major (aside from RG) playing that way especially when players start being more patient when playing with him.

That is why Perlas tried to make him attack more isntead of just defending the whole game. I think the serve has little to do with the fact that they tried to change his gamestyle.

I just think he gets to nervous when serving and he just breaks down.

daze11
04-27-2006, 03:16 PM
This is really sad to see. It IS time to serve underarm at this point.

I don't think any of the top players want a piece of Almagro anytime soon.i DID think of him serving underhand/sidearm because his touch is so good!! but as truc said, he is very PROUD -- and no argentinian man is going to do that. it would seem wimpy. to me, it might even seem smart and dynamic. but i think he'd rate that as highly unmanly and would consider it insulting. he will never do that.

Deboogle!.
04-27-2006, 03:19 PM
All the talk about sports psychologist, as if it was the miraculous solution, drives me nuts. You think he just needs a few sessions with a psychologist and everything will be fine?!I don't think anyone thinks it's miraculous, but considering this problem with his serve is essentially entirely mental, it seems like that would be a logical step for him to take, I mean look what a sports psychologist helped Gaudio to do - sure he still has his demons but you don't just assume he'll choke every time he serves for the match now. I think that a good sports psychologist could really help Coria and I don't see what's so bad about people suggesting it.

daze11
04-27-2006, 03:19 PM
That is why Perlas tried to make him attack more isntead of just defending the whole game. I think the serve has little to do with the fact that they tried to change his gamestyle.
prior to RG 04, guille was NEVER...EVER...a purely defending player. he defended better than everybody else but also attacked aggressively from the baseline all match long, putting his opponent under pressure, but not by coming to net...by pounding the ball corner to corner & changing direction down the line and getting his opponent off balance and out of position.

Merton
04-27-2006, 03:20 PM
It is just sad that somebody with such ground game as Coria runs into this serving problem, it not only provides free gifts to his opponents but spills over into the rest of his game as well. Those psychological problems can become very tricky if they are not resolved fast, i hope that he will cope sooner than later.

lorenz
04-27-2006, 03:32 PM
What do you mean when you write "he needs a very strong kick in the ass"? You think he isn't aware of the problem and doesn't already try everything to solve it? He's been mortified by this serve issue for months now, he says in some interviews how ashamed he feels when he is df-ing like crazy. For a guy as proud as Coria, making a fool of himself like this already is a good "kick in the ass", I think.

All the talk about sports psychologist, as if it was the miraculous solution, drives me nuts. You think he just needs a few sessions with a psychologist and everything will be fine?!

Truc,

I'm really sad for him. It's true that a few sessions is not a solution. I mean Coria needs to open his mind, and realize that he might need help from different kind of disciplines.

Fumus
04-27-2006, 04:03 PM
Coria is on the slide....that sucks!

Truc
04-27-2006, 04:04 PM
Sorry for my last post, I had to vent because some posts sound to me like people think Coria isn't really aware it's a mental problem. And that's definitely not true.
I basically agree with you, Lorenz, a lot of things make me puzzled with Coria anyway – I just think he's had enough kicks in the ass lately. ;)
He already worked with a psychologist some time ago (before the df drama) and says he didn't like it... I don't know. It is SO strange that I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he is actually trying or tried again something like that too and doesn't feel comfortable speaking about it (especially after Perlas mentioned the work with a psychologist in an interview in 2006).

Oh, and since you wanted him to try yoga, I know he's been doing some martial arts with his physical trainer lately, maybe that will help? :lol:

morningglory
04-27-2006, 04:19 PM
He should go ask Demetieva about how to win while still having a meatball serve...
I dunno how she does it, but she does! and reached a slam final serving the most horrendously I have ever seen in tennis in 04...