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WhataQT
04-25-2006, 03:39 AM
Federer in denial after Nadal loss
Roger on losses: 'They don't break down my will or hope'
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net

Rafa is rolling over Roger.
For the most part, Roger Federer is a realist. But not when it comes to dealing with his rivalry with Rafael Nadal, which has completely gotten away from him.

On Sunday, the Spanish teen took down the mighty Swiss 6-2, 6-7(2), 6-3, 7-6(5) to win TMS Monte Carlo, registering his fourth win over Federer in five tries.

"I wish I could have won them, but they don't break down my will or hope or anything because what I care about is trying not to lose against him in Grand Slams, and then be ahead of him 2,000 points in the ranking,” Federer said. "That's what I care about, and not really losing tonight.”

No other player is in Federer’s head like Nadal is and no other player can claim such an excellent and potentially dominant record against him. Before the contest, Fed had called the 19-year-old “one-dimensional” which is an odd comment about a guy with at least three major weapons: his speed, forehand and competitiveness.

After three hours and 49 minutes of watching Nadal dig out ball after ball, one would think that Federer might have changed his mind. But he hasn’t.

"I am not disappointed nor frustrated but I'm exhausted,” Federer said. “It was close and it could have been a different story if I had leveled the match at two sets all. I think it's wrong to say that he's better than me on clay."

No. 2 Nadal is the only man to have flummoxed Federer twice this season, also beating him in the final of Dubai final on hard courts. He has the hooking lefty thing going and has no fear of Federer’s variety. He can hammer Federer's backhand and is just fine whacking cross court backhands when he gets an opening. "My forehand against his backhand is the best exchange,” Nadal said.

Fed was up 3-0 in the final tiebreak, but couldn't push through as Nadal hammered his umpteenth forehand winner.

"He might get a little bit bad, I don't know, nervous,” Nadal said. "The match is tough always, no?”

Yes.

So unless the Swiss decides to charge the net more at Roland Garros, he'll be a decided underdog in his quest to win his first Slam there.

"He leaves me no choice but to go for winners because I am the man who is pressing," said Federer. "I felt I got closer to Rafael than at Roland Garros last year. [My chances to win Roland Garros] went up, in my eyes. I think matches against Rafael are going to help me actually beating up players, too. Because I've got to adjust quite a bit to play against Rafael. So I've got to make tough decisions, in a split second right away because it's always coming from the left-hand side. So I think I'm actually going to improve a lot by playing more against him, and I already feel like I have since he's been around. That's maybe a good thing to be in. The more I think I play him, the more also I'll figure out his game and the easier it's going to get for me. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I really believe it.”

After flaming out in the big US hard court tournaments, Nadal is feeling quite at home on his beloved dirt again. He's scored 42 consecutive wins and could pass Bjorn Borg (46) this week in Barcelona. Then he could tie Guillermo Vilas' 53 in Roma.

"It’s important for me be the now the No. 3 in the history,” Nadal said. “[But] any day, I gonna lose, on clay, sure."

He's the only man on the planet sure of that.

Scotso
04-25-2006, 04:12 AM
"I wish I could have won them, but they don't break down my will or hope or anything because what I care about is trying not to lose against him in Grand Slams, and then be ahead of him 2,000 points in the ranking,” Federer said. "That's what I care about, and not really losing tonight.”

Suuuuuuure.

"I think it's wrong to say that he's better than me on clay."

:lol:

PamV
04-25-2006, 04:20 AM
It seems like this writer is blowing things out of proportion. Roger could never win RG and still end up winning 14 + majors in his lifetime and be considered one of the greatest of all time by many. As for his 1-4 H2H with Nadal this is still a very small number of times to have met to be making this out to be the end of the world.

Roger is smart to take this loss in stride, what else is he going to say? This writer is sort of missing the fact that Roger is not a natural clay court player. This was the first time he'd made it to an MC final. Roger's playing on clay has improved a lot and even the way he stayed in rallies with Nadal showed that he improved his stamina.

The one area that Roger needs to work on or aknowledge to himself is that he is too nervous against Nadal. I think he's always been way more emotional than we have realized. Look at how nervous he played against Agassi in the USOpen 2004. Look at how he cried after the Aussie Open. Roger has too much emtion but he has to learn some technique to turn that off when he needs to. If he wasn't nervous I think he definitely would have beat Nadal in Dubai and in MC.

ExpectedWinner
04-25-2006, 04:20 AM
Fed had called the 19-year-old “one-dimensional” which is an odd comment about a guy with at least three major weapons: his speed, forehand and competitiveness.



Both qualities are weapons, but since when are they considered to be characteristics of M-D game? Top players have speed and competitiveness by definition.

RonE
04-25-2006, 04:29 AM
Well what would you expect him to say in his interview? "I have no chance to beat Nadal, he totally owns me, he is going to beat me every time we play"?

Scotso
04-25-2006, 04:32 AM
Top players have speed and competitiveness by definition.

Uhm, no.

Rafalution
04-25-2006, 04:32 AM
No. 2 Nadal is the only man to have flummoxed Federer twice this season, also beating him in the final of Dubai final on hard courts.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8711/normalrafalution6yy.jpg

:o

Scotso
04-25-2006, 04:33 AM
Well what would you expect him to say in his interview? "I have no chance to beat Nadal, he totally owns me, he is going to beat me every time we play"?

Maybe something other than claiming he's a better player than Nadal on clay? :o

buddyholly
04-25-2006, 04:34 AM
Federer is so far ahead of Nadal in the rankings he can probably lose to him in every final and it would still take Nadal a lifetime to catch up.

mangoes
04-25-2006, 04:40 AM
So now, the reporters start ripping Roger for headlines..................:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

ExpectedWinner
04-25-2006, 04:43 AM
Uhm, no.

Really? That's a look from the couch in the living room. There were no slow No2s in the world in the history of tennis. And even the challenger circuit is competitive as hell.

The only relatively slow top player I can think of is Davenport. But it's a completely different story with WTA.

PamV
04-25-2006, 04:47 AM
Maybe something other than claiming he's a better player than Nadal on clay? :o

He didn't say he was better than Nadal on clay. He said was wrong to say Nadal was better on clay. I don't really know why he said that. What's wrong with Roger being #2 on clay? I haven't read the whole context of this and the media does some times get obnoxious with how they provoke players. Roger is just working on improving his clay game, he played wonderfully all week. Then that all went out the window and he was nervous facing Nadal. He did show moments in the match of overpowering Nadal in the rallies. So he does have it in him to beat Nadal.

PamV
04-25-2006, 04:48 AM
Federer is so far ahead of Nadal in the rankings he can probably lose to him in every final and it would still take Nadal a lifetime to catch up.

He's 2,000 points ahead now but he still has to defend his own points to stay ahead.

lsy
04-25-2006, 04:48 AM
Maybe something other than claiming he's a better player than Nadal on clay? :o

If you want to rip him apart for what he said, at least stay with the exact quote.

He said "I think it's wrong to say that he's better than me on clay." meaning he can be as good as Nadal on clay (yeah you can call that denial if you like) but he certainly didn't claim he is better than nadal on clay.

bad gambler
04-25-2006, 04:50 AM
After reading that article, the title of the article is spot on

Wannabeknowitall
04-25-2006, 04:50 AM
Federer is right.
It's too soon to say that Nadal is better than Federer on clay.
People said that with Ferrero and Coria as well. Look where they are now?
Federer has no need to be concerned about his losses to Nadal until he losses to him at the French Open yet again and Nadal defends his slam title.

Chloe le Bopper
04-25-2006, 04:53 AM
Really? That's a look from the couch in the living room. There were no slow No2s in the world in the history of tennis. And even the challenger sircuit is competitive as hell.

The only relatively slow top player I can think of is Davenport. But it's a completely different story with WTA.
You're speaking relatively. Relatively, yeah, all those guys are fit and fast. Stack them up against one another, however, and they don't necessarily have their speed to use as an advantage.

In other words, you're both correct ;)

bad gambler
04-25-2006, 04:55 AM
Federer is right.
It's too soon to say that Nadal is better than Federer on clay.
People said that with Ferrero and Coria as well. Look where they are now?
Federer has no need to be concerned about his losses to Nadal until he losses to him at the French Open yet again and Nadal defends his slam title.


when we say someone is better than somebody else in something, are we talking present or future? :confused:


Nadal is better then Federer on clay, I find it mind boggling you can actually deny that

PamV
04-25-2006, 04:56 AM
Federer in denial after Nadal loss
Roger on losses: 'They don't break down my will or hope'
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net

So unless the Swiss decides to charge the net more at Roland Garros, he'll be a decided underdog in his quest to win his first Slam there.



I don't agree with Cronin that Federer needs to charge the net as in RG. Nadal passes too well. Charging the net only works if the volley is perfect or Nadal is tired. Roger actually does better rallying from the baseline shot for shot. He did that very well in the 4th set when he got mad at himself and forgot the nerves. I was surprised that Roger had the stamina but it seemed he and Nadal were equal with ability to baseline rally.

As for being the underdog....who cares? He was the underdog last year too.

PamV
04-25-2006, 05:00 AM
when we say someone is better than somebody else in something, are we talking present or future? :confused:


Nadal is better then Federer on clay, I find it mind boggling you can actually deny that

It seems childish to even argue the point. Let's say Nadal is better than Roger on clay AND Roger is better than Nadal on Grass!!! I think Roger is alot closer to Nadal on clay than Nadal is to Roger on grass.

ys
04-25-2006, 05:01 AM
On slow surfaces he does not have an answer to Nadal's crosscourt forehand, and Federer's backhand will never be an answer.. On clay he can only hope that someone who is more solid on backhand side ( like Safin ) takes Nadal out before Nadal beats him again.

Their head-to-head is bound to stay lopsided though, as Nadal is better than Roger on slow courts, and Federer on slow courts is much better than Nadal on fastcourts.. Meaning, that chances are , they will mostly play on slower stuff and Nadal will be winning most of those....

ExpectedWinner
04-25-2006, 05:06 AM
You're speaking relatively. Relatively, yeah, all those guys are fit and fast. Stack them up against one another, however, and they don't necessarily have their speed to use as an advantage.

In other words, you're both correct ;)

The point is that speed and competitiveness are not characteristics of MD or OD game. They are necessary ingridients for a top player. It's like a cake can not be baked without flour/eggs/or whatever.

*Viva Chile*
04-25-2006, 05:18 AM
I think it's wrong to say that he's better than me on clay.
Yeah, yeah Roger, sure... it's interesting how you become from a humble and nice guy/player to a really arrogant and disgusting one with that aseverations :rolleyes: one year ago he said on another interview that he definitely is not better than Nadal on clay and now said this after being defeated for a 19 year old for the fourth time...

...now I expect as always how the Fedtards will start bashing to me for saying a humble opinion ABOUT his idol :o

*EDIT: I change "against" for "about" because is an opinion and not a critic.

lsy
04-25-2006, 05:23 AM
Yeah, yeah Roger, sure... it's interesting how you become from a humble and nice guy/player to a really arrogant and disgusting one with that aseverations :rolleyes: one year ago he said on another interview that he definitely is not better than Nadal on clay and now said this after being defeated for a 19 year old for the fourth time...

...now I expect as always how the Fedtards will start bashing to me for saying a humble opinion against his idol :o

So it'd gone from being in denial to disgusting ;)

anserq
04-25-2006, 05:27 AM
lol no comment
Roger ownz :)

PamV
04-25-2006, 05:43 AM
After reading that article, the title of the article is spot on
Why is the author so worked up about how many times Nadal could potentially beat Federer in their careers? It seems like he's drooling over that idea. Yet isn't this author in denial of the fact that Roger could get a grip on his emotions and start to beat Nadal?

He also seems to be acting like those two play in a vacuum and no one else could enter in to the picture. That's naive given how much things can change in a year or two.

Blazed
04-25-2006, 05:50 AM
Federer is right.
It's too soon to say that Nadal is better than Federer on clay.

The facts speak for themselves. I found it hilarious that Federer would even say something like that.

PamV
04-25-2006, 05:54 AM
On slow surfaces he does not have an answer to Nadal's crosscourt forehand, and Federer's backhand will never be an answer.. On clay he can only hope that someone who is more solid on backhand side ( like Safin ) takes Nadal out before Nadal beats him again.

Their head-to-head is bound to stay lopsided though, as Nadal is better than Roger on slow courts, and Federer on slow courts is much better than Nadal on fastcourts.. Meaning, that chances are , they will mostly play on slower stuff and Nadal will be winning most of those....

Did you watch Roger beat Ferrer who is supposed to be the #2 best clay court player after Nadal? There's no one else but Roger who could likely trouble Nadal on clay. Most of the clay court specialists are either too short, too old, or they are head cases. There isn't a very deep clay court field lately. Nadal has easy pickens. The thing people are not giving Roger credit for is that he just improved quite a bit on clay. He didn't have to even bother. He could have stayed #1 just by playing grass and hardcourts. He could have brushed off the clay season and saved face by not risking loses.

In the rallies I saw Roger hit some magnificent bh's off of Nadal high bounces. They got into rallies where it was not all about Nadal's forehand to Roger's bh. Roger sometimes hit to Nadal's weak bh and sometimes they were hitting forehand to forehand and Roger's was stronger.

All Roger has to do is conquer his nerves and come out with guns blazing. That slice and dice off speed stuff doesn't work.

PamV
04-25-2006, 05:57 AM
The facts speak for themselves. I found it hilarious that Federer would even say something like that.

I didn't read the full article of the interview. I don'tthink it's hilarious but it doesn't sound good taken out of context and posted all over the internet. I chalk it up to him him being harrassed by the media.

Skyward
04-25-2006, 05:58 AM
Did you watch Roger beat Ferrer who is supposed to be the #2 best clay court player after Nadal?

:confused:

World Beater
04-25-2006, 05:58 AM
federer is competetive...he wasnt so far away from a 5th set...this was the closest he got. he is trying to be optimistic.

Players need the inner confidence and self-belief to win against adversity. Roger is extremely stubborn and thats part of the reason he is so good.

Many of the couch potatoes here dont understand the nature of competition it seems. He doesnt want to yield to Nadal and he BELIEVES he is better. Nothing wrong with that. He always gives rafa full credit for his wins.

OddJob
04-25-2006, 06:01 AM
Nadal is the best on clay right now, period. It's terribly obvious to anyone who follows the tour. And yes we're talking about Clay here not grass. Just because Rafa is better on clay doesn't mean Fed sucks on the dirt. It's his worst surface but the guy knows how to play on it.

LCeh
04-25-2006, 06:05 AM
I understand where you are coming from regarding Roger's competitiveness. But still, even as a fan, I was a little disturbed when he considered himself equal to Nadal on clay.

Head to head Record? 0-2. Tournaments? 1 RG to none. Winning streak? 42 to nothing really spectacular.

I understand that Roger should BELIEVE that he can beat Nadal, or else he would be going on the court with a losing attitude. But I think he should at least make some stuff up in front of the press. "He is a better player, but I am not far behind." Something like that should help putting more pressure on Nadal, as well as being more diplomatic.

Nadal always say that in order for him to win, Roger needs to be not at his best, and that the match is more in Roger's hand than his. Do you think he really believes that? Nadal definitely believes he is the better player on clay, or else he wouldn't be winning those matches. Maybe Roger should do the same seeing as it has been working for Nadal? :shrug:

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 06:05 AM
"I am not disappointed nor frustrated but I'm exhausted,” Federer said. “It was close and it could have been a different story if I had leveled the match at two sets all. I think it's wrong to say that he's better than me on clay."When/where/to whom was this supposedly even said? I can't find it in his press conference http://asapsports.com/tennis/2006mcarlo/042306RF.html

lsy
04-25-2006, 06:07 AM
He didn't have to even bother. He could have stayed #1 just by playing grass and hardcourts. He could have brushed off the clay season and saved face by not risking loses.

You're assuming then Nadal is not going to improve his results on grass and hardcourts is it? And exactly how do you come to such firm conclusions?


In the rallies I saw Roger hit some magnificent bh's off of Nadal high bounces. They got into rallies where it was not all about Nadal's forehand to Roger's bh. Roger sometimes hit to Nadal's weak bh and sometimes they were hitting forehand to forehand and Roger's was stronger.

All Roger has to do is conquer his nerves and come out with guns blazing. That slice and dice off speed stuff doesn't work.

You make it sound as simple as 1+1=2 and I wonder why Rogi hadn't figured out that by now after 5 meetings.

Skyward
04-25-2006, 06:13 AM
"I am not disappointed nor frustrated but I'm exhausted,” Federer said. “It was close and it could have been a different story if I had leveled the match at two sets all. I think it's wrong to say that he's better than me on clay."

When/where/to whom was this supposedly even said? I can't find it in his press conference http://asapsports.com/tennis/2006mcarlo/042306RF.html

To Mirka in bed. ;)

PamV
04-25-2006, 06:17 AM
Nadal is the best on clay right, period. It's terribly obvious to anyone who follows the tour. And yes we're talking about Clay here not grass. Just because Rafa is better on clay doesn't mean Fed sucks on the dirt. It's his worst surface but the guy knows how to play on it.

Clay is Roger's worst surface but he can still beat anyone except Nadal on clay. It's amazing he wants to put the effort into the clay season. It would be alot easier to copy what Sampras did and just concentrate on Grass and Hardcourt.

PamV
04-25-2006, 06:22 AM
Right I checked the interview and he never said that.

Allez
04-25-2006, 07:03 AM
I find it astounding that Roger does not wish to concede that Rafa is the better player on clay!! What more does Rafa have to do for Rogi to acknowledge this most obvious fact ? How many times must he lose to him ? The stats speak for themselves. Rafa is clearly the best dirtballer out there. I understand that Roger must BELIEVE that he is better, but for god's sake show that BELIEF on the court NOT in a press conference AFTER losing to the guy. Unless you acknowledge that there is a problem you have zero hope of overcoming it. Rafael is miles ahead of Roger and everyone else on clay. And let's not bring grass into the equation. We're talking clay here.

megadeth
04-25-2006, 07:13 AM
fed was obviously feeling bitter, trying to shrug it off... but he'll have his day against the spaniard one day...

reminds me of how bitter and hard-headed becker was whenever he played agassi (becker lost 9 straight times to andre that time)

jenanun
04-25-2006, 07:24 AM
Did you watch Roger beat Ferrer who is supposed to be the #2 best clay court player after Nadal?

thats news to me, ferrer no.2 clay court player..

oh yes, i forgot, ferror won 7 clay titles last year, no.........





actually i think federer is the no.2 best clay court player after nadal...


but nadal is definately better than federer on clay..

Jairus
04-25-2006, 07:32 AM
When/where/to whom was this supposedly even said? I can't find it in his press conference http://asapsports.com/tennis/2006mcarlo/042306RF.html

EXACTLY!

Also, everyone, except maybe "World Beater" is missing the point...ie. who knows what Roger is actually thinking? We don't know what he actually feels about his belief about beating nadal. The only time press confereces reflect what a player actually things is when they get flustered and say something. Eg:
1) Roddick at some tournament earlier this year saying something like "Yea, I AM really pissed off" (paraphrased)
2) Federer at some tournament (last year?) saying something like "Its all crap man, the media doesn't accept that sometimes I fight for my wins."

What the players said isn't important, the important idea is that press conferences don't represent a players actual beliefs unless they get emotional. My guess is Roger probably thinks (as he should?) that he can crush Nadal if only he could get things to work out right. I imagine all players are really over confident, otherwise they would have never reached the pro level. Even folks like Gaudio are probably torn by highs and lows of overconfidence and self-pity, and are not just self-loathing on the court. Just my guess.

jenanun
04-25-2006, 07:38 AM
to be fair, i think federer does have the game to beat nadal, technically, even on clay... but its nadal's mental strength thats scary, i mean from 3-0 up in fourth set, to 0-3 down in the tie break, anyone, let alone a teenager, would have lost the match easily....

Rogiman
04-25-2006, 09:58 AM
99.9% of the time people here discuss bullshit like PC, PR and rubbish like that.

Of course he thinks that way, he should think that way, every elite-sportsman should think that way, you would think that way if you were him, but you'd go a long way to find anything wrong with him.

What's the problem here - that he actually says what he thinks?
So it's alright to think like that but it's wrong to speak it out loud?
Most of the folks here would prefer players to be miss-congeniality, it's wrong to be sincere.

The day he accepts defeat easily he's toast.
He made it a close match, he thinks he can win, and he speaks his mind out, still don't get what's wrong.
Should he say: "sure, he's better than me, I stand no chance"...?
Oh, that would be a brilliant thing to do....

David Kenzie
04-25-2006, 10:13 AM
Rafa's only beaten him twice on clay and they were hardly easy wins. Federer reaches his first final at Monte-Carlo and loses a tight 4 setter wich could easly have gone to a fifth, and everybody is talking about how Rafa "owns" Roger. Come on, this is ridiculous. They are both amazing players, with totally different styles but clay gives Nadal the edge which means he will most likely win more matches than Federer on that surface. There is no shame in that.

dkw
04-25-2006, 11:33 AM
All this bickering... its just been 2 days of pure fun :D

Come on Roger let's lose in the first round of Roma... I need some more laughs.

nobama
04-25-2006, 11:49 AM
Ah, Matthew Cronin, the same guy who said last year (after Roger's Wimbleodn match against Kiefer) that if he doesn't win Wimbledon his dominance is over. :lol: As the #1 player in the world why would it be a good thing for Roger to concede that he's inferior to another player regardless of the surface? To me that's a recipe for disaster. Imagine what the press headlines would be if Roger said Rafa was better than him on clay. The "on clay" part would be conveniently left out of the headlines. Last year before the FO SF when he did that photo shoot with Rafa Wertheim wrote in his column that Roger is #1 and should act like it, and that Agassi and Sampras would never have agreed to do something like that.

vincayou
04-25-2006, 11:59 AM
Federer has not to worry first about Nadal anyway if he wants to win RG, he never went to the final of RG, and he won't have to face Nadal before the final.

If he reaches the final, it will already be a achievement which should ease his mental block with Nadal. I'm sure it will be a competitive final if they meet.

oz_boz
04-25-2006, 12:03 PM
Being the clear #1, Roger could afford a little modesty, and admit that Rafa is the best clay courter. I don't think his statement is a sign of confidence, to me it looks like the opposite - Nadal takes Roger back in time to preTMC03.

Anyway, it is not impossible that he can win some day on clay, but I don't think anybody would think he downplayed himself if he said that Rafa is the clay dominant. I mean, look at his title streak - MC-Barca-Rome-RG-Båstad-?-MC :eek:

sorrowman
04-25-2006, 12:06 PM
"I am not disappointed nor frustrated but I'm exhausted,” Federer said. “It was close and it could have been a different story if I had leveled the match at two sets all.

I think it's wrong to say that he's better than me on clay."


:haha: :haha:

Neely
04-25-2006, 12:09 PM
Of course nobody expects Federer to say that he has no chance against Nadal or things like that, every player would say he has a chance against everybody in that he believes and that's just normal.

But his denial to admit that Nadal is the better player than him on clay is ignoring the truth because otherwise he wouldn't have lost both matches against him so far in four sets and also Nadal is the big champion on that surface having achieved the wins in the big clay tournaments lately. Nodoby asks him to say that he thinks Nadal will always be better on clay than him, but at current and in the past Nadal was; as easy as that. It's not like that you can say "one or two points the other way and the winner in both matches could have been Federer", so they are not equally good. (but of course Federer gives Nadal a closer match on clay than I would think Nadal could do it on Federer's best surface, grass.)

yanchr
04-25-2006, 12:09 PM
It more and more suggested to me that Roger is frustrated of and hates the fact that he, with such a beautiful and multi-dimensional game, kept losing to Nadal, with such a barbaric and one-dimensional game, again and again. I sincerely got a feeling that Roger truly believes his game is much superior to Nadal's regardless of the surface.

And you ask him to admit he is inferior to Nadal, whose game he kind of looks down upon? Come on, you must be kidding... and.... man, just sit and see, I will prevail sooner or later, cuz beauty just can't be beaten by the beast forever, and I won't permit that miserable thing happen again and again...:devil:

Roger, I love it :lol:

oz_boz
04-25-2006, 12:20 PM
Regarding the beauty of their respective games, I prefer Roger's, but I wouldn't say that Nadal plays ugly. His extreme consistency and ability to return the most difficult of shots is beautiful in itself. Borg would be proud (not that I would compare them in any other way before Nadal has had a few more years on the tour).

Tracy89
04-25-2006, 12:20 PM
That I-think-it's-wrong-to-say-that-he's-better-than-me-on-clay-sentence is just absolutely HILARIOUS!!! Fed come on!!! Rafa beat you twice on clay!! Now who's better...........Just get over the fact that Rafa is a better player on clay! And stop saying I lost becoz I'm having a hard time playing against lefties...tssk!!

avocadoe
04-25-2006, 12:45 PM
:)

deekaye
04-25-2006, 01:12 PM
Monte Carlo Final

It is too easy to glide over the fact that Federer was 3-0 up in the 4th set tie-break and could and should have won it.Psychologically he would then have had the upper hand in the 5th set decider.Nadal's face is an open book and he looked really downcast when Roger took that 3-0 lead.The margin between victory and defeat was that close.
So let us not read too many things in this result. What Roger said about him having always to be the aggressor because Nadal stays on the baseline and defends is correct. It is always easier to defend than attack on clay.
The difference is that Nadal defends better than anyone else on this surface.This is due to his lightning footwork and upper body strength.
For me there were 2 factors which worked against Federer. His first serve percentage was lower than usual,and he made more errors on his backhand than usual,probably because he was trying to counter-attack Nadal's forehand on his back-hand. This meant that he did not use the slice which he usually does so effectively.
Federer remains the best player in the world. Who says so? Nadal. Do not rule out a Federer victory over Nadal on clay sometime in the future.

Deekaye

admiralpye
04-25-2006, 01:16 PM
Federer in denial after Nadal loss
Roger on losses: 'They don't break down my will or hope'
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net

Rafa is rolling over Roger.
For the most part, Roger Federer is a realist. But not when it comes to dealing with his rivalry with Rafael Nadal, which has completely gotten away from him.

On Sunday, the Spanish teen took down the mighty Swiss 6-2, 6-7(2), 6-3, 7-6(5) to win TMS Monte Carlo, registering his fourth win over Federer in five tries.

"I wish I could have won them, but they don't break down my will or hope or anything because what I care about is trying not to lose against him in Grand Slams, and then be ahead of him 2,000 points in the ranking,” Federer said. "That's what I care about, and not really losing tonight.”

No other player is in Federer’s head like Nadal is and no other player can claim such an excellent and potentially dominant record against him. Before the contest, Fed had called the 19-year-old “one-dimensional” which is an odd comment about a guy with at least three major weapons: his speed, forehand and competitiveness.

After three hours and 49 minutes of watching Nadal dig out ball after ball, one would think that Federer might have changed his mind. But he hasn’t.

"I am not disappointed nor frustrated but I'm exhausted,” Federer said. “It was close and it could have been a different story if I had leveled the match at two sets all. I think it's wrong to say that he's better than me on clay."

No. 2 Nadal is the only man to have flummoxed Federer twice this season, also beating him in the final of Dubai final on hard courts. He has the hooking lefty thing going and has no fear of Federer’s variety. He can hammer Federer's backhand and is just fine whacking cross court backhands when he gets an opening. "My forehand against his backhand is the best exchange,” Nadal said.

Fed was up 3-0 in the final tiebreak, but couldn't push through as Nadal hammered his umpteenth forehand winner.

"He might get a little bit bad, I don't know, nervous,” Nadal said. "The match is tough always, no?”

Yes.

So unless the Swiss decides to charge the net more at Roland Garros, he'll be a decided underdog in his quest to win his first Slam there.

"He leaves me no choice but to go for winners because I am the man who is pressing," said Federer. "I felt I got closer to Rafael than at Roland Garros last year. [My chances to win Roland Garros] went up, in my eyes. I think matches against Rafael are going to help me actually beating up players, too. Because I've got to adjust quite a bit to play against Rafael. So I've got to make tough decisions, in a split second right away because it's always coming from the left-hand side. So I think I'm actually going to improve a lot by playing more against him, and I already feel like I have since he's been around. That's maybe a good thing to be in. The more I think I play him, the more also I'll figure out his game and the easier it's going to get for me. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I really believe it.”

After flaming out in the big US hard court tournaments, Nadal is feeling quite at home on his beloved dirt again. He's scored 42 consecutive wins and could pass Bjorn Borg (46) this week in Barcelona. Then he could tie Guillermo Vilas' 53 in Roma.

"It’s important for me be the now the No. 3 in the history,” Nadal said. “[But] any day, I gonna lose, on clay, sure."

He's the only man on the planet sure of that.

Could I get the exact link or at least source of this article? I am a Rafa fan and I help out sometimes in Vamosrafael.com. I think this would be of interest. Thanks.

Castafiore
04-25-2006, 01:24 PM
When/where/to whom was this supposedly even said? I can't find it in his press conference http://asapsports.com/tennis/2006mcarlo/042306RF.html
You can read about it in L'Equipe (yesterday's edition).

As usual, after his Q&A session in English, Roger responded to questions in French and it's then that he - apparently - said it.


It is too easy to glide over the fact that Federer was 3-0 up in the 4th set tie-break and could and should have won it
It's equally too easy to merely mention this and glance over other times of the match where Rafa could have closed a set out more quickly but "could and should have " does not count in tennis or in any sport for that matter.

You could easily say that Rafa could and should have won the second set or the 4th when he was up two breaks. It pointless to say this because it didn't happen that way.

Do not rule out a Federer victory over Nadal on clay sometime in the future.
Agreed. :) You shouldn't as it is very possible.



Admiralpye, the source is mentioned in the article: TennisReporters.net

heya
04-25-2006, 01:48 PM
Don't rule out victories on hardcourt by a Spanish teenager who's more mature than the player he beat and to top it all off, he haunted his bitter detractors. :tape:

Blazed
04-25-2006, 03:52 PM
Rafa's only beaten him twice on clay and they were hardly easy wins. Federer reaches his first final at Monte-Carlo and loses a tight 4 setter wich could easly have gone to a fifth, and everybody is talking about how Rafa "owns" Roger.

But Nadal hasn't just beaten him twice on clay -- he's beaten him twice on hardcourts. I don't know if 4-1 is "ownage" in my book, but it's certainly a start. Like someone else said, I don't see what's wrong with Federer (and his fans here) simply saying Nadal is better on clay but that Federer is not far behind.

NYCtennisfan
04-25-2006, 03:53 PM
Apparently many on this board don't realize that this is the mentality of someone who does not believe anyone is better than him in anything and will not admit to it. He will not capitulate or give an inch at all. It reminds me a lot of Michael Jordan actually. I'm sure privately he has his doubts, but he will never let anyone else know it.

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 04:30 PM
You can read about it in L'Equipe (yesterday's edition).

As usual, after his Q&A session in English, Roger responded to questions in French and it's then that he - apparently - said it.I see. I thought they usually posted all parts of the press conferece on ASAP and just denoted what parts were translated. I guess not. I was never suggesting that Roger didn't actually say it, I was just hoping for a more complete source to see the context of what he was actually asked and what he actually said in full, but guess we won't get that. Thanks :)

Carito_90
04-25-2006, 04:47 PM
Of course nobody expects Federer to say that he has no chance against Nadal or things like that, every player would say he has a chance against everybody in that he believes and that's just normal.

But his denial to admit that Nadal is the better player than him on clay is ignoring the truth because otherwise he wouldn't have lost both matches against him so far in four sets and also Nadal is the big champion on that surface having achieved the wins in the big clay tournaments lately. Nodoby asks him to say that he thinks Nadal will always be better on clay than him, but at current and in the past Nadal was; as easy as that. It's not like that you can say "one or two points the other way and the winner in both matches could have been Federer", so they are not equally good. (but of course Federer gives Nadal a closer match on clay than I would think Nadal could do it on Federer's best surface, grass.)

Absolutely agree. This wasn't like last year's Rome final against Coria where they had to play a tiebreak in the 5th set.

Do not rule out a Federer victory over Nadal on clay sometime in the future.

I don't think anyone is, really. Everyone knows their matches ARE tight, either on clay, hard... maybe not on grass, who knows but still, you have to admit that, so far, the best player on clay has been Nadal, even between them two. So yeah, Roger's thoughts are sort of surprising, especially knowing he's a very classy guy who doesn't hesitate when it comes to congratulating an opponent, etc.

And I wanna say that I do like Roger, as a person I like him a lot so these last statements he's given about Nadal lately are quite dissapointing even for me.

tangerine_dream
04-25-2006, 05:08 PM
"I am not disappointed nor frustrated but I'm exhausted," Federer said. "It was close and it could have been a different story if I had leveled the match at two sets all. I think it's wrong to say that he's better than me on clay."
Mental warfare. This comment isn't any crazier than Hewitt and Haas previously claiming that Roger wasn't "all that."

They got a lot of snickers, too.

Golfnduck
04-25-2006, 05:44 PM
Nadal is definately the best player on clay. I don't think Roger will ever beat Rafa in straights, if he beats Rafa, I don't think Rafa will be playing at 100%.

neeob
04-25-2006, 05:58 PM
sounds different on rogers official
page:


Roger was not able to defeat Rafael Nadal in the Monte Carlo Masters final, losing a tough fight 2-6 7-6 (7-2) 3-6 6-7 (5-7).

The Spanish second seed took the first set after racing to a 5-1 lead, but Roger found his form in the second. Nadal still broke him to love in the seventh game before his nerve wobbled, allowing the Swiss star to break back for 5-5 and then win the tiebreaker. But Nadal showed why he is the world's best on clay in the third set, then edged a tense fourth to seal victory.

Roger looked to have extended an epic final into a fifth set when he took a 3-0 lead in the second tiebreaker. But the 19-year-old Spaniard fought back as the shadows lengthened on court at the Monte Carlo Country Club. A forehand winner on his first match point finally sealed victory and his 14th career title after three hours and 49 minutes of thrilling tennis.


"It was a very unbelievable day for me," said Nadal. "It's special to begin the clay season like this.
Beating Roger in the final is even more special, it's great."

Roger, who had never progressed past the quarter-finals in Monaco before this year, admitted: "Rafael played a great match, it was tough to lose." Nadal had also inflicted the world number one's only other defeat of 2006, beating him in the final of the hardcourt Dubai Open on 4 March.

Roger also lost to Nadal in the semi-finals of last year's French Open, the only grand slam tournament he has yet to win. "I played a smarter match today than last year's Paris semi-final," Roger added. "I have moved closer to him on clay and that's very important."

Nadal now has a 4-1 record against the Swiss world number one, and has chalked up a remarkable 42 successive wins on clay. The left-hander is third on the all-time list behind Guillermo Vilas (53) and Bjorn Borg (46).

mangoes
04-25-2006, 06:03 PM
L'Equipe is the last paper that should be quoted as producing the truth as it is and without personal spin.............and I'm willing to bet, Roger never made those statements but, a couple of Nadal fans as well as Roger haters could care less..........they just ran with the trash..........

Roger should never say in public that Rafa is better than him..........because papers like L'Equipe will twist his words to mean something else. I'm quite sure, in private, he knows that Rafa has the edge and he has to work to neutralize Nadal's advantages on this surface............But give it a rest people that Roger's not willing to put his head on a chopping block for his haters. Consistent winners never admit defeat, they look for solutions...........

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 06:16 PM
L'Equipe is the last paper that should be quoted as producing the truth as it is and without personal spin.............and I'm willing to bet, Roger never made those statements but, a couple of Nadal fans as well as Roger haters could care less..........they just ran with the trash..........

Roger should never say in public that Rafa is better than him..........because papers like L'Equipe will twist his words to mean something else. I'm quite sure, in private, he knows that Rafa has the edge and he has to work to neutralize Nadal's advantages on this surface............But give it a rest people that Roger's not willing to put his head on a chopping block for his haters. Consistent winners never admit defeat, they look for solutions...........Those same quotes were published by countless other news sources that are more reputable than L'Equipe. I don't doubt Roger said something similar, but if he said it during the French part of his interview, there is always the possibility for a translation discrepancy and also we don't know the whole question and answer so it's hard to know exactly what he meant.

Black Adam
04-25-2006, 06:23 PM
Federer and his fans seem to be losing it ;)

ExpectedWinner
04-25-2006, 06:37 PM
There are some lessons to learn.

1. The less you talk, the better. First beat a player, then talk about his shortcomings and your own superiority. Until it happens, give only brief, "protocol" answers.


2 In depth interviews should be given only in languages you are fluent with. Otherwise, sooner or later you'll get into a trap caused by misunderstanding, etc.

3. Don't give many interviews after a match. It's taxing.

4. Get rid of the habit of thinking out loud.

5. If "yellow" sources and unprofessional reporters have access to you, you have a bad management. Fire them.

6.If your PR advisors had never mentioned 1-4 to you, they are not qualified for the job. Fire them.

Castafiore
04-25-2006, 06:38 PM
Mangoes, have you ever read L'Equipe?


By the way, that excellent French sports newspaper is going to follow Roger Federer and Mauresmo during the clay court season. Every Tuesday, people who know them will share a unique story about these two that illustrates their personality.
Today, Yves Allegro wrote something about Federer.

bokehlicious
04-25-2006, 06:41 PM
Mangoes, have you ever read L'Equipe?

I do and I agree with that statement.

lsy
04-25-2006, 06:41 PM
Federer and his fans seem to be losing it ;)

and quite a few other non fed/nadal fans certainly have enjoyed a huge party past few days and still going on ;)

Castafiore
04-25-2006, 06:53 PM
and quite a few other non fed/nadal fans certainly have enjoyed a huge party past few days and still going on ;)
Well, that's the way those things go. Quite a few fed/non nadal fans have enjoyed a huge party until long after the Blake defeat and it was an ugly one at times for Nadal fans (with much more trash talk IMO). What can you do about it? Nothing much.
Next time Nadal loses, it's going to be very very ugly again.

L'Equipe is a very good sports newspaper. Not a tabloid, not a trash newspaper. It has a very good reputation and it's silly to simply assume that they invent things or twist it just because they write something you don't like.
Also, the journalists of L'Equipe were certainly not the only French speaking journalists present at that interview session and more media sources posted these quotes. I, for one, have read it in L'Equipe and that's why I mentioned it to Debra.

mangoes
04-25-2006, 06:57 PM
There are some lessons to learn.

1. The less you talk, the better. First beat a player, that talk about his shortcomings and your own superiority. Until then give only brief, "protocol" answers.


2 In depth interviews should be given only in languages you are fluent with. Otherwise, sooner or later you'll get into a trap caused by misunderstanding, etc.

3. Don't give many interviews after a match. It's taxing.

4. Get rid of the habit of thinking out loud.

5. If "yellow" sources and unprofessional reporters have access to you, you have a bad management. Fire them.

6.If your PR advisors had never mentioned 1-4 to you, they are not qualified for the job. Fire them.

:lol: :lol: Agree wholeheartedly..........this latest bout of PR from Roger is really shining a questioning light on his PR advisors..........

Action Jackson
04-25-2006, 06:59 PM
L'Equipe a tabloid, that's like saying Nadal is going to win 10 straight Wimbledon crowns without losing a set.

A paper isn't a tabloid, just cause it writes something that people don't necessarily agree with.

Allez
04-25-2006, 07:02 PM
Mirkaland, please! What headlines ? Everyone knows that Nadal is better than Federer "on clay". Federer’s admission of this well known and accepted fact would not cause shockwaves. He wouldn't be saying anything that the press don't currently know. No one is suggesting that he should have a defeatist attitude.

Acknowledging that someone is better than you doesn't mean that you can never beat them or that you cannot improve until one day you become better than them. However, if Roger feels that he's Nadal's equal on clay, what motivation is there for him to actually get better ? If he think his game as it stands is enough to beat Nadal then he's in for a major shock come Roma, Hamburg and Paris. Roger needs to improve his game or rather adapt it to Nadal's style of play. Of course, I'm not suggesting he pulls a Roddick by becoming obsessed with Nadal that he forgets that there are other players out there who can beat him. That would be a recipe for disaster.

BUT something's gotta change and Roger needs to acknowledge this. Just like any other thing in life, if you have a problem, first acknowledge its existence before figuring out how to solve it. Denials and indifference only prolong the problem. Damn someone (Mirka) hire a sports psychologist for Rogi, else we'll be waiting a loooong time for a RG title.

mangoes
04-25-2006, 07:03 PM
L'Equipe is a very good sports newspaper. Not a tabloid, not a trash newspaper. It has a very good reputation and it's silly to simply assume that they invent things or twist it just because they write something you don't like........

Well, isn't that very assuming of you to suggest that my label of L'Equipe is as such because they write something I don't like...........I think in every newspaper in America, today, I'll find something written about that I won't like.............. L'Equipe has also been known to write statements concerning Nadal that have been twisted........to immediately quote at this moment is not possible because I simply don't have the time to do the necessary research...... If you like L'Equipe, good for you, but kindly don't insult me by saying I'd hate a newpaper because it writes articles I don't like............ In the past, I have read articles from L'Equipe that were quite colored with bias..........hence, my reasoning for not quoting the paper as having a clear reflection of Roger's words..........

mangoes
04-25-2006, 07:06 PM
Mirkaland, please! What headlines ? Everyone knows that Nadal is better than Federer "on clay". Federer’s admission of this well known and accepted fact would not cause shockwaves. He wouldn't be saying anything that the press doesn't currently know. No one is suggesting that he should have a defeatist attitude.

Acknowledging that someone is better than you doesn't mean that you can never beat them or that you cannot improve until one day you become better than them. However, if Roger feels that he's Nadal's equal on clay, what motivation is there for him to actually get better ? If he think his game as it stands is enough to beat Nadal then he's in for a major shock come Roma, Hamburg and Paris. Roger needs to improve his game or rather adapt it to Nadal's style of play. Of course, I'm not suggesting he pulls a Roddick by becoming obsessed with Nadal that he forgets that there are other players out there who can beat him. That would be a recipe for disaster.

BUT something's gotta change and Roger needs to acknowledge this. Just like any other thing in life, if you have a problem, first acknowledge its existence before figuring out how to solve it. Denials and indifference only prolong the problem. Damn someone (Mirka) hire a sports psychologist for Rogi, else we'll be waiting a loooong time for a RG title.

I think this is being stretched...........Roger doesn't need a psycologist........Roger doesn't need to air his doubt in public to satisfy your needs, and Roger certainly isn't facing the end of his tennis career as he knows it. He just has a challenge in front of him, one that's certainly interesting for the tennis world................that's all!!!

nobama
04-25-2006, 07:14 PM
Hasn't L'Equipe gotten into trouble before regarding doping allegations?

Castafiore
04-25-2006, 07:15 PM
Mangoes, calm down. I'm not attacking you. I'm simply asking you the question if you've ever read that newspaper in its original language (= not quotes translated and posted here and there on the internet).

So, have you read L'Equipe? Have you read this particular article on Roger in the original language? On what do you base your opinion on that newspaper in general? Have you read it in French or do you base that opinion on what others have told you about it and what you read through translations?

It's good to not believe everything that's been printed and they have written things I have disagreed with but to me, it's simply exaggerated to say: "L'Equipe is the last paper that should be quoted as producing the truth" and "papers like L'Equipe will twist his words to mean something else".
If that's your viewpoint, fine but I think this is exaggerated. :)

MariaV
04-25-2006, 07:17 PM
Last year before the FO SF when he did that photo shoot with Rafa Wertheim wrote in his column that Roger is #1 and should act like it, and that Agassi and Sampras would never have agreed to do something like that.

:awww: Awww, why shouldn't he do that, that photoshoot and the 'exho' now in MC before the tournament start were so beautiful. :D

And apparently Rogi acts enough like No 1. ;)

mangoes
04-25-2006, 07:19 PM
Mangoes, calm down. I'm not attacking you. I'm simply asking you the question if you've ever read that newspaper in its original language (= not quotes translated and posted here and there on the internet).

So, have you read L'Equipe? Have you read this particular article on Roger in the original language? On what do you base your opinion on that newspaper in general? Have you read it in French or do you base that opinion on what others have told you about it and what you read through translations?

It's good to not believe everything that's been printed and they have written things I have disagreed with but to me, it's simply exaggerated to say: "L'Equipe is the last paper that should be quoted as producing the truth" and "papers like L'Equipe will twist his words to mean something else".
If that's your viewpoint, fine but I think this is exaggerated. :)

Calm down????? This was a discussion, nothing more...... Have a nice day............

nobama
04-25-2006, 07:23 PM
BUT something's gotta change and Roger needs to acknowledge this. Just like any other thing in life, if you have a problem, first acknowledge its existence before figuring out how to solve it. Denials and indifference only prolong the problem. Damn someone (Mirka) hire a sports psychologist for Rogi, else we'll be waiting a loooong time for a RG title.Like Mangoes said I don't think Roger needs taylor his words to satisfy the media, fans or anyone else. And I think you're overreacting (and giving the haters something to smile about with your psychologist suggestion ;)). I'm sure Roger has moved on and is focused on Rome or the charity expo he's playing in Switzerland on Friday. It's not the end of the world when he looses a tennis match, I don't care if it's to Nadal or anyone else. As I said in the Fed forum he's bounced back from tough losses quite well. And honestly I don't think publically admitting that Nadal is superior to him on the dirt to satisfy the media and some fans will have any effect on him winning RG.

Castafiore
04-25-2006, 07:25 PM
Mangoes, once again: have you ever read L'Equipe in its original language or do you base that opinion of yours on second hand information?

Furthermore, you come across as a bit pissed off to me when you write a thing like this:
kindly don't insult me by saying I'd hate a newpaper because it writes articles I don't like...but it's not easy to asses a mood correctly on a message board so of course I could be wrong. That's why I wrote that I'm not attacking you. I'm merely curious where you get your information on L'Equipe from that you have such a negative view of it.

Chocobo
04-25-2006, 07:35 PM
Hasn't L'Equipe gotten into trouble before regarding doping allegations?

It's the contrary actually...they alleged many doping cases that revealed to be proven afterwards (Mariano Puerta, to name the most famous)

I've never heard anybody complaining about false informations that would have been aired by L'Equipe (except Lance Armstrong, but hum...please :rolleyes: ), that's why I'm suprised by what you say Mangoes...

It's reputed to be a very serious paper, and even if they're sometimes a bit too critical of some players at my taste, tennistically speaking I find their informations and analysis pretty accurate and interesting...they know what they're talking about, that's sure. Anyway, I'd be VERY surprised if they mislead their readers by changing the meaning of interviews :confused:

I'd be interested to know what were the false informations you read about Nadal last year (sheer curiosity).

WhataQT
04-25-2006, 07:37 PM
Could I get the exact link or at least source of this article? I am a Rafa fan and I help out sometimes in Vamosrafael.com. I think this would be of interest. Thanks.

http://tennisreporters.net/federer_nadal_042406.html

Merton
04-25-2006, 07:40 PM
Hasn't L'Equipe gotten into trouble before regarding doping allegations?

There were threats of litigation from Lance Armstrong and Puerta but to the best of my knowledge neither of them proceeded to sue L'Equipe.

Deivid23
04-25-2006, 07:42 PM
Roger is starting to sound as stupid as some of his fans :lol:

mangoes
04-25-2006, 07:43 PM
I'd be interested to know what were the false informations you read about Nadal last year (sheer curiosity).

I think the Lance Armstrong accusations were pretty serious...........but they didn't write false information about Nadal, his words were twisted.......... I'll look for the article and PM you this weekend. I have found in the few articles I've read from the paper that they sometimes use the words of the players as quotes in a manner that would leave a very different impression from the one that would be had if reading the entire interview, by the player, in which the statement was made...............that's my issue with not taking the article seriously and wishing to read Roger's interview from which these statements were garnered........

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 07:48 PM
All this talk about L'Equipe is interesting but did they even originate these statements from Fed? They were published in all kinds of publications, I was just assuming they were things he said in his press conference, but I cannot find it in there, so if he said them in French and that part of the presser was not posted, that doesn't mean L'Equipe is the one who started these comments..... ?

Kip
04-25-2006, 07:49 PM
Now go and win RG Roger
and give 'em that smirk you're
so good at giving. :cool:

bokehlicious
04-25-2006, 07:50 PM
Mangoes, once again: have you ever read L'Equipe in its original language or do you base that opinion of yours on second hand information?

I don't know if mangoes does but I do. And it's easy to figure out that Roger is not familiar with French and don't play with the words like he would do in German or English. Even in the Swiss French speaking papers, sometimes I feel that his quotes sound weird and inaccurate. But that said I don't have any problems with that specific comment.

Chocobo
04-25-2006, 07:57 PM
And it's easy to figure out that Roger is not familiar with French and don't play with the words like he would do in German or English.

Really? I find his french really fluent...:confused:

bokehlicious
04-25-2006, 08:00 PM
Really? I find his french really fluent...:confused:

He speaks it fluently, but he is not that cruising with it.

Chocobo
04-25-2006, 08:02 PM
but they didn't write false information about Nadal, his words were twisted.......... I'll look for the article and PM you this weekend. I have found in the few articles I've read from the paper that they sometimes use the words of the players as quotes in a manner that would leave a very different impression from the one that would be had if reading the entire interview, by the player, in which the statement was made

Ok, I see what you mean ;) ...even if it's not peculiar to L'Equipe in my opinion

Allez
04-25-2006, 08:07 PM
Like Mangoes said I don't think Roger needs taylor his words to satisfy the media, fans or anyone else. And I think you're overreacting (and giving the haters something to smile about with your psychologist suggestion ;)). I'm sure Roger has moved on and is focused on Rome or the charity expo he's playing in Switzerland on Friday. It's not the end of the world when he looses a tennis match, I don't care if it's to Nadal or anyone else. As I said in the Fed forum he's bounced back from tough losses quite well. And honestly I don't think publically admitting that Nadal is superior to him on the dirt to satisfy the media and some fans will have any effect on him winning RG.

Well for his sake I do hope he doesn't buy the idea that he is Nadal's equal on clay at the moment. You did however suggest that perhaps he said what he said because otherwise the press would have misrepresented comments about Nadal being better "on clay" and there would be headlines all over the place quoting him without providing any context. That's what I as responding to. So I do not see how you can turn around and say that he should not concern himself about the press or fans when he makes public comments with regards to his rivarly with Rafa. In any case that's besides the point. The point is that hopefully he doesn't believe a word of what he said and that he is working hard with Tony to come up with a strategy of beating the dirtballer from Spain ;) Oh, and the therapist comment was slightly tounge in cheek btw ;)

Whistleway
04-25-2006, 08:11 PM
when we say someone is better than somebody else in something, are we talking present or future? :confused:


Nadal is better then Federer on clay, I find it mind boggling you can actually deny that

He probably means in terms of potential and talent.

ChloeLove
04-25-2006, 08:15 PM
After reading that article, it does put a lot in perspective. I think Roger should read it. I agree with everything Cronin has said, the title is spot on. Federer isn't as gracious at losing, as say Nadal is.

Whistleway
04-25-2006, 08:21 PM
There are some lessons to learn.

1. The less you talk, the better. First beat a player, then talk about his shortcomings and your own superiority. Until it happens, give only brief, "protocol" answers.


2 In depth interviews should be given only in languages you are fluent with. Otherwise, sooner or later you'll get into a trap caused by misunderstanding, etc.

3. Don't give many interviews after a match. It's taxing.

4. Get rid of the habit of thinking out loud.

5. If "yellow" sources and unprofessional reporters have access to you, you have a bad management. Fire them.

6.If your PR advisors had never mentioned 1-4 to you, they are not qualified for the job. Fire them.

Good points. But, did it ever get into your mind that he doesn't care what YOU think? Tennis is an individual sport not a popularity contest.

Castafiore
04-25-2006, 08:22 PM
it's easy to figure out that Roger is not familiar with French and don't play with the words like he would do in German or English.Yes, that's what the article in L'Equipe mentioned as well. They wrote that it's interesting to follow his Q&A in French because he's not as familiar with French as with English and it's not that easy for him to be as nuanced in the language of Voltaire (to play with words, as you say) so he has the tendency to be much more straightforward in French.

Allez
04-25-2006, 08:31 PM
Yes, that's what the article in L'Equipe mentioned as well. They wrote that it's interesting to follow his Q&A in French because he's not as familiar with French as with English and it's not that easy for him to be as nuanced in the language of Voltaire (to play with words, as you say) so he has the tendency to be much more straightforward in French.

Just how difficult is it to say "Nadal is currently the best player on clay" in French ? French posters ? What do you reckon ? :scratch:

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 08:34 PM
Just how difficult is it to say "Nadal is currently the best player on clay" in French ? French posters ? What do you reckon ? :scratch:I'm sure the grammar is bad, but something like: "Maintenant, Nadal est le meilleur joueur sur la terre battue"

;)

ExpectedWinner
04-25-2006, 08:35 PM
Good points. But, did it ever get into your mind that he doesn't care what YOU think?

Of course, he doesn't. He has no idea that I exist. No player on the ATP tour cares about what has been said at the garbage place like MTF. :p It's not a concern.

However, some of my points can help make his life (or any player's life) easier on/off the court. Any practical person would admit it.

almouchie
04-25-2006, 08:43 PM
whether he wants to admit it or not
Rafael is the best clay courter the past 18 months
saying comments like these
I think it's wrong to say that he's better than me on clay."
cannt make matters better for Federer

it is interesting in that Federer is not himslef in interviews, he didnt win, outplay, outmaneuver, outsmart, blow off his opponent
rather lost to a player he cannt deal with & doesnt know how to handle
Rafa is truely floricking Roger's feather

Black Adam
04-25-2006, 08:45 PM
Just how difficult is it to say "Nadal is currently the best player on clay" in French ? French posters ? What do you reckon ? :scratch:
"En ce moment Nadal est le meilleur jouer de terre."

Nice try Deb.

Castafiore
04-25-2006, 08:51 PM
I have found in the few articles I've read from the paper that they sometimes use the words of the players as quotes in a manner that would leave a very different impression from the one that would be had if reading the entire interview, by the player, in which the statement was made...............that's my issue with not taking the article seriously and wishing to read Roger's interview from which these statements were garnered........
Fair enough. Many newspapers slap a spectacular title on an article, take a few quotes, leave out other quotes and put it into their own context. This article from L'Equipe was written as a transcript of an interview (= words of the questions and answers and not an opinion article that mentions a couple of answers) but it would sure be interesting to us to see the actual transcript in full. That's why I would love to see more interviews (videos) on the internet but that's probably beyond the budget of most tournament websites (not that I have an idea of the real cost of that but I'm guessing that it's not that cheap)

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 08:52 PM
En ce moment Nadal est le meilleur jouer de terre.

Nice try Deb.:p and Fed's french is a lot better than mine is ;)


But I don't think it's fair to expect him to concede that. I think it's fair if he wants to believe he can beat him on clay. But maybe a statement such as "his results have been the best on clay over the past year but I still believe and I am confident that I can beat him on this surface" or something to that effect would have been a better way to express his confidence.

Black Adam
04-25-2006, 08:54 PM
:lol: :haha: At the comment suggesting a psychologist to teach Federer to be a gracious loser :sobbing: You have to try to put yourself in Roger's place to nderstand what going through his head. I am Roger Federer one of the most talented guys out there yet this Spaniard Grinder keeps kicking my ass......... i mean that isn't fair, afterall I am more talented!
The Truth :Roger believes he is better than Nadal, his game more beautiful and exciting and it really pains him to lose to Nadal, but until he has a different approach to Nadalhe will always be haunted by Nadal on the court and in his dreams.

Sjengster
04-25-2006, 08:57 PM
There is some truth in what you say, but as for your final remarks I severely doubt Federer wakes up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat, strangled yelps of "Vamos!" ringing in his ears, and hallucinating that a pair of capris are lying near his bed.

Lee
04-25-2006, 08:59 PM
There is some truth in what you say, but as for your final remarks I severely doubt Federer wakes up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat, strangled yelps of "Vamos!" ringing in his ears, and hallucinating that a pair of capris are lying near his bed.

Advice to Mirka. Don't ever wear capris.

Black Adam
04-25-2006, 09:01 PM
There is some truth in what you say, but as for your final remarks I severely doubt Federer wakes up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat, strangled yelps of "Vamos!" ringing in his ears, and hallucinating that a pair of capris are lying near his bed.
:lol: :haha: Yeah but in way Nadal must be on his mind.

Sjengster
04-25-2006, 09:05 PM
During the matches, yes, but Federer is better at getting over losses now than he was a few years ago, he's said it himself (and that was about defeats against other players, so he wasn't in denial then).

mangoes
04-25-2006, 09:09 PM
Just how difficult is it to say "Nadal is currently the best player on clay" in French ? French posters ? What do you reckon ? :scratch:


OH MY GOODNESS!!!!! You know, in this thread, there are a lot of posters obviously enjoying Roger's :hug: loss this week...........some of them I would readily call my MTF friends in any other thread but this one :mad: :p And, of course, I feel quite confident that an opportunity will present itself, very soon, when I can call upon the Karma goddess :lol: :lol:

Nevertheless, I think your posts are the most annoying to read because you call yourself a Federer fan....................if you're so disappointed and annoyed with Roger that you have to keep providing food to fill the appetites of his haters, why don't you just turn your "I'm a Federer fan" button in and stfu................

mangoes
04-25-2006, 09:10 PM
There is some truth in what you say, but as for your final remarks I severely doubt Federer wakes up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat, strangled yelps of "Vamos!" ringing in his ears, and hallucinating that a pair of capris are lying near his bed.

:haha: :haha:

thrust
04-25-2006, 09:17 PM
Roger is arrogant and sorry that there is finally someone on tour who has the ability to really challenge him. No doubt his is still probably a better player on other surfaces, especially on grass, but Rafa seems to be catching up to Roger on hard courts. A real close rivalry between Roger and Rafa would be great for men^s tennis.

Sjengster
04-25-2006, 09:19 PM
Remember what Roddick said about the rivalry between him and Federer, either last year or the year before? The same applies here.

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 09:20 PM
Remember what Roddick said about the rivalry between him and Federer, either last year or the year before? The same applies here.You know I was close to digging up that quote before I decided to go marinate my chicken for dinner instead :p

Great minds ;) but I think it's a propos here.

edit: 'twas last year:

ANDY RODDICK: You know, listen, I want another crack at him till my record is 1-31. I still want to go against him again. You want to compete against the best. He's the measuring stick, so you kind of know where you are and where you go. So, you know, I'd love to keep playing him.

Lee
04-25-2006, 09:24 PM
Deb is talking about food....... AGAIN!!!!! :lick:

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 09:27 PM
Deb is talking about food....... AGAIN!!!!! :lick::sobbing: Just gonna make an olive oil/garlic/chipotle marinated grilled chicken for dinner... spicy, I don't think you'd like it :p

Allez
04-25-2006, 09:33 PM
OH MY GOODNESS!!!!! You know, in this thread, there are a lot of posters obviously enjoying Roger's :hug: loss this week...........some of them I would readily call my MTF friends in any other thread but this one :mad: :p And, of course, I feel quite confident that an opportunity will present itself, very soon, when I can call upon the Karma goddess :lol: :lol:

Nevertheless, I think your posts are the most annoying to read because you call yourself a Federer fan....................if you're so disappointed and annoyed with Roger that you have to keep providing food to fill the appetites of his haters, why don't you just turn your "I'm a Federer fan" button in and stfu................

:haha::haha::haha: You STFU you FB :mad: :mad: :mad: . I don't need your approval to be anyone's fan and I don't have to parrot eveything that other "fans" say. I'm no sheep. What I have said has not been malicious in any way. I have not showed any pleasure in Rogi's loss. WTF are you talking about ? You think every fan has to think and act like you ? That would be awfully boring. That is why I hardly ever visit player forums. Too much in breeding and hive mentality :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

cobalt60
04-25-2006, 09:34 PM
:sobbing: Just gonna make an olive oil/garlic/chipotle marinated grilled chicken for dinner... spicy, I don't think you'd like it :p
:drool: You know you are welcome to come to my house anytime but I will put you to work cooking. Yummy. :p

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 09:37 PM
:drool: You know you are welcome to come to my house anytime but I will put you to work cooking. Yummy. :p:haha: Ok :p i'll be home in a month :lol:

sorry about the :topic:



Anyway, I think it's funny that this whole discussion stemmed from what's really nothing more than some poor word choice from someone speaking in something other than his mother tongue.

Lee
04-25-2006, 09:42 PM
:sobbing: Just gonna make an olive oil/garlic/chipotle marinated grilled chicken for dinner... spicy, I don't think you'd like it :p

I add tabasco to my pasta!!!!!

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 09:46 PM
I add tabasco to my pasta!!!!!:haha: Wow! Wait I thought you said once you don't like spicy food! I know we had this discussion in Brian's thread when we talked about southwestern food :sobbing:

mangoes
04-25-2006, 09:49 PM
:haha::haha::haha: You STFU you FB :mad: :mad: :mad: . I don't need your approval to be anyone's fan and I don't have to parrot eveything that other "fans" say. I'm no sheep. What I have said has not been malicious in any way. I have not showed any pleasure in Rogi's loss. WTF are you talking about ? You think every fan has to think and act like you ? That would be awfully boring. That is why I hardly ever visit player forums. Too much in breeding and hive mentality :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Roger loses on clay to the current best claycourter and you think he needs to see a shrink..................ok, whatever :rolleyes:

Lee
04-25-2006, 09:51 PM
:haha: Wow! Wait I thought you said once you don't like spicy food! I know we had this discussion in Brian's thread when we talked about southwestern food :sobbing:

Yes, I don't like southwestern spicy food. It's depends on the level of spicy-ness. A little bit spice add favour but not numbing your tongue. :p


Still nauseous about the jalapeño eating compeition on the news last Sunday. The winner ate 11 in a minute. And the record was 15. :scared:

Lee
04-25-2006, 09:51 PM
And I'm not sorry to turn this thread :topic: ;)

Allez
04-25-2006, 09:55 PM
Roger loses on clay to the current best claycourter and you think he needs to see a shrink..................ok, whatever :rolleyes:

Clearly you wouldn't recognise a flippant remark if it bit your high and mighty nose off :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Next...

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 09:57 PM
Yes, I don't like southwestern spicy food. It's depends on the level of spicy-ness. A little bit spice add favour but not numbing your tongue. :pahhhhh ... well chipotles are pretty southwestern, but no I don't make anything THAT spicy :scared:Still nauseous about the jalapeño eating compeition on the news last Sunday. The winner ate 11 in a minute. And the record was 15. :scared:omg, I know I saw that on the news :scared: :scared: ew.

Lee
04-25-2006, 10:02 PM
To further justify my 'don't like southwestern food' statement, as my homecooking is mainly Chinese and North American, (like salad, pastas, steaks, mash potatoes, but so far no great American meatloaf), I mostly eat southwestern food in restaurants which somehow make the food very spicy hot.

Sjengster
04-25-2006, 10:03 PM
You know I was close to digging up that quote before I decided to go marinate my chicken for dinner instead :p

Great minds ;) but I think it's a propos here.

edit: 'twas last year:

ANDY RODDICK: You know, listen, I want another crack at him till my record is 1-31. I still want to go against him again. You want to compete against the best. He's the measuring stick, so you kind of know where you are and where you go. So, you know, I'd love to keep playing him.

That's actually not the quote I was thinking of. :p It was more along the lines of "I have to win some of them before you can call it a rivalry."

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 10:09 PM
To further justify my 'don't like southwestern food' statement, as my homecooking is mainly Chinese and North American, (like salad, pastas, steaks, mash potatoes, but so far no great American meatloaf), I mostly eat southwestern food in restaurants which somehow make the food very spicy hot.ahhh ok gotcha. You can always ask them to tone down the spice, right?

ohhh ok sjengster... i think he said that right on court, not in his press conference, so can't post that one :p But he was asked about it ;)


Q. You said jokingly it can only be a rivalry when you start winning some of the matches.

ANDY RODDICK: I wasn't joking.

prima donna
04-25-2006, 10:11 PM
Why should Roger show Nadal any respect ? If you ask me, he's already been too polite. I'm tired of seeing him posing in pictures next to Nadal and hearing stories about showing up to hotels, show up and eliminate this rodent already, Roger.

Obviously Roger is a really nice guy, which is in part what makes him so likeable. One need not neglect the fact that his modesty, sportsmanship and knowledge of events outside of tennis also have caused some to put him on a pedastool.

If you want to see fair sportsmanship read Roger's interview after AO 2005, think I even remember Roger saying something along the lines of "he got me" if not in the interview after that particular match maybe in another form.

I can just imagine how bad Roger must feel, Nadal is so inferior to him and he just keeps losing to this kid with an ABC game. Rafael's game is canned Ravioli and Roger's is vitello milanese, which is simply veal for those unfamiliar with such things.

Phunkadelicious
04-25-2006, 10:14 PM
Why should Roger show Nadal any respect ? If you ask me, he's already been to polite. I'm tired of seeing him posing in pictures next to Nadal and hearing stories about showing up to hotels, show up and eliminate this rodent already, Roger.

Obviously Roger is a really nice guy, which is in part what makes him so likeable. One need not neglect the fact that his modesty, sportsmanship and knowledge of events outside of tennis also have caused some to put him on a pedastool.

If you want to see fair sportsmanship read Roger's interview after AO 2005, think I even remember Roger saying something along the lines of "he got me" if not in the interview after that particular match maybe in another form.

I can just imagine how bad Roger must feel, Nadal is so inferior to him and he just keeps losing to this kid with an ABC game. Rafael's game is canned Ravioli and Roger's is vitello milanese, which is simply veal for those unfamiliar with such things.
Reads like an article from The Onion

Deboogle!.
04-25-2006, 10:16 PM
Reads like an article from The OnionBrian, don't insult the Onion like that!

Phunkadelicious
04-25-2006, 10:16 PM
Brian, don't insult the Onion like that!
My apologies to The Onion.

prima donna
04-25-2006, 10:25 PM
Brian, don't insult the Onion like that!

Now that was cute.

Clara Bow
04-25-2006, 10:29 PM
Why should Roger show Nadal any respect ? If you ask me, he's already been to polite. I'm tired of seeing him posing in pictures next to Nadal and hearing stories about showing up to hotels, show up and eliminate this rodent already, Roger.

Obviously Roger is a really nice guy, which is in part what makes him so likeable. One need not neglect the fact that his modesty, sportsmanship and knowledge of events outside of tennis also have caused some to put him on a pedastool.

If you want to see fair sportsmanship read Roger's interview after AO 2005, think I even remember Roger saying something along the lines of "he got me" if not in the interview after that particular match maybe in another form.

I can just imagine how bad Roger must feel, Nadal is so inferior to him and he just keeps losing to this kid with an ABC game. Rafael's game is canned Ravioli and Roger's is vitello milanese, which is simply veal for those unfamiliar with such things.

Oh my, the more I read you prima donna, the more I envision you looking like this
http://instapunk.com/images/New_Yorker_cover.jpg

Mechlan
04-25-2006, 10:30 PM
Oh my, the more I read you prima donna, the more I envision you looking like this
http://instapunk.com/images/New_Yorker_cover.jpg

:lol:

rofe
04-25-2006, 10:31 PM
After reading that article, it does put a lot in perspective. I think Roger should read it. I agree with everything Cronin has said, the title is spot on. Federer isn't as gracious at losing, as say Nadal is.

Maybe he is gracious in losing to the "right" guy. He was fine with losing to Safin, Gasquet and Nalbandian. ;)

rofe
04-25-2006, 10:32 PM
Oh my, the more I read you prima donna, the more I envision you looking like this
http://instapunk.com/images/New_Yorker_cover.jpg

Actually, that picture would be more appopriate if that guy had lipstick and painted nails.

Lee
04-25-2006, 10:32 PM
Maybe he is gracious in losing to the "right" guy. He was fine with losing to Safin, Gasquet and Nalbandian. ;)

But those guys don't 'own' him like Nadal. ;)

Lee
04-25-2006, 10:34 PM
Actually, that picture would be more appopriate if that guy had lipstick and painted nails.

Why? Prima donna is a guy.

btw, Clara Bow, that post is just........... priceless.

rofe
04-25-2006, 10:35 PM
Why? Prima donna is a guy.

He considers himself as a metro-sexual (whatever that means).

prima donna
04-25-2006, 10:35 PM
Oh my, the more I read you prima donna, the more I envision you looking like this
http://instapunk.com/images/New_Yorker_cover.jpg

Hahaha, that was actually humorous. Actually, in the other thread, I had intended to respond to your post. Seemed as if you were the only one with any response to that post whom actually raised any significant points without taking the message personally in the process.

Easy to figure me out, Nadal is and always will be a rodent in my mind. Interesting to see the polls of who would win MC (Roger or Nadal) yet I saw soooo many (71 when I last checked) and yet Nadal is such a so called favorite on this surface.

Everyone knows the deal, while Roger is sitting back and relaxing, giving to charities (helping out African children dying of starvation), participating in exhibitions, learning about the game of tennis from legends Nadal is in a gym in Mallorca right now running the treadmill waiting for their next encounter.

Nadal may not have a slice.
Nadal may not have a deadly serve.
Nadal may have a mediocre backhand.
Nadal may not be such a great point constructor.

But, that young lad sure can run. Vamos.

Lee
04-25-2006, 10:36 PM
He considers himself as a metro-sexual (whatever that means).

I'm not that sure metro-sexual has painted nails. Although they probably have manicure.

prima donna
04-25-2006, 10:38 PM
Actually, that picture would be more appopriate if that guy had lipstick and painted nails.
I don't wear shirts with holes and stains on them, that makes me a metrosexual and indeed it also would insinuate that I emulate Angelina Jolie's style.

Seriously here, try keeping this strictly tennis related, really bad considering the fact that everyone Italian is into their looks and clothes. Who cares. It's typical.

Metrosexual, homosexual ... no ... but keep digging bocchino.

prima donna
04-25-2006, 10:40 PM
I'm not that sure metro-sexual has painted nails. Although they probably has manicure.

Hi Lee, you've succeeded at ruining rofe's attempt at being a stand up comedian.

The idea of a man wearing lipstick is considered funny (especially on MTF), so you were supposed to respond with smiley faces and giggles, instead of actually applying common sense to the situation.

;)

mallorn
04-25-2006, 10:55 PM
Oh my, the more I read you prima donna, the more I envision you looking like this
http://instapunk.com/images/New_Yorker_cover.jpg
Bingo! :lol:

Allez
04-25-2006, 11:16 PM
While Roger is sitting back and relaxing, giving to charities (helping out African children dying of starvation), participating in exhibitions, learning about the game of tennis from legends Nadal is in a gym in Mallorca right now running the treadmill waiting for their next encounter.


:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

rofe
04-25-2006, 11:21 PM
I don't wear shirts with holes and stains on them, that makes me a metrosexual and indeed it also would insinuate that I emulate Angelina Jolie's style.

Seriously here, try keeping this strictly tennis related, really bad considering the fact that everyone Italian is into their looks and clothes. Who cares. It's typical.

Metrosexual, homosexual ... no ... but keep digging bocchino.

Is calling someone bocchino considered tennis related as well? What is a boccino anyway and why would a boccino be digging ? :scratch:

Anyway, why would using lipstick and painted nails signify a homosexual male? :confused:

prima donna
04-25-2006, 11:45 PM
Is calling someone bocchino considered tennis related as well? What is a boccino anyway and why would a boccino be digging ? :scratch:

Anyway, why would using lipstick and painted nails signify a homosexual male? :confused:

Amazing.

nobama
04-25-2006, 11:46 PM
He considers himself as a metro-sexual (whatever that means).Hey, you're in good company. Roger doesn't know what a metro-sexual is either. Thank God.

Corey Feldman
04-25-2006, 11:51 PM
:lol:
the sensationalism of alot of journo's/ ppl about Rafa beating Fed on clay last week (as expected) and this "one dimensional" comment is unbelievable, talk about over reacting and getting out of hand :lol:
but its mostly yank reporters (apart from alot of numb nuts from MTF) , TennisX is having a ball over this and the whole 'smack talk' as they put it ..
those muppets of an arse clown, they should take issue with how shite and lazy their own players are when it comes to clay season.

you just keep rolling along Fed, you'll have the final laugh, as always.

prima donna
04-25-2006, 11:54 PM
All seriousness, I will say one thing.

Nadal is that kid that's in the gym while you're out at night or in Roger's case eating gnocchi chit chatting with Mirka.

Really, it's amazing that he has such devotion to physical fitness.

No matter how good you are or how much you train, there's someone somewhere in the world training harder. Nadal may not have much natural talent when it comes to this sport, he makes up for it with a fighting spirit and a work out regimen.

rofe
04-25-2006, 11:57 PM
Amazing.

You crack me up :haha:

You are unfortunately only the second such person. Heya is the best. In fact, that gave me an idea about my sig.

Seleshfan
04-26-2006, 12:25 AM
You crack me up :haha:

You are unfortunately only the second such person. Heya is the best. In fact, that gave me an idea about my sig.
How quickly you forgot your first. :angel:

lunahielo
04-26-2006, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by Escude
you just keep rolling along Fed, you'll have the final laugh, as always.
:yeah:

rofe
04-26-2006, 12:27 AM
How quickly you forgot your first. :angel:

Ah but look at my sig. :cool:

Hank777
04-26-2006, 12:37 AM
"I wish I could have won them, but they don't break down my will or hope or anything because what I care about is trying not to lose against him in Grand Slams, and then be ahead of him 2,000 points in the ranking,” Federer said. "That's what I care about, and not really losing tonight.”Wow, sore loser, it doesn't really come across as genuine.

"I am not disappointed nor frustrated but I'm exhausted,” Federer said. “It was close and it could have been a different story if I had leveled the match at two sets all. I think it's wrong to say that he's better than me on clay."Arrogant much ?? :eek:

What the PROBLEM is, is that FEDS can't accept the fact he can't beat NADAL right now, he feels so much he's the best etc. blagh.

No Offense, but when PETE was #1, he was real about certain match-ups like against Krajicek, just admitting it like he said: "man I just don't know, but that guy's just got my ticket"

Seleshfan
04-26-2006, 12:37 AM
Ah but look at my sig. :cool:
Oh. :p You did remember. :inlove:

prima donna
04-26-2006, 01:08 AM
Ah but look at my sig. :cool:
You're really slow, where are you from ? Georgia ? Get with it, Americans not understanding American humor. Anyway, left you a sweet little message on your rep and that's all there is to say about this subject.

Strictly tennis related, unfortunate that I allowed you to distract from that for a few minutes.

dkw
04-26-2006, 01:37 AM
Nadal is that kid that's in the gym while you're out at night or in Roger's case eating gnocchi chit chatting with Mirka.
:haha: I think it's just the opposite. Nadal is the one hanging out in the streets getting himself into all kinds of trouble with his friends and Federer's up in his hotel room practicing his Ninja meditation routine with Sensei Roche.

"Find your center Roger, the true enemy is within" Om, Om

rofe
04-26-2006, 01:54 AM
You're really slow, where are you from ? Georgia ? Get with it, Americans not understanding American humor. Anyway, left you a sweet little message on your rep and that's all there is to say about this subject.

Strictly tennis related, unfortunate that I allowed you to distract from that for a few minutes.

:lol: You actually good repped me! Such magnanimity! Your betise is so refreshing. :worship:

Leo
04-26-2006, 02:04 AM
Both qualities are weapons, but since when are they considered to be characteristics of M-D game? Top players have speed and competitiveness by definition.

Tell that to Lindsay Davenport. Or Marat Safin.

ExpectedWinner
04-26-2006, 05:08 AM
Tell that to Lindsay Davenport. Or Marat Safin.

I've mentioned Davenport myself (see the post above).

When Safin was No2 in the world (yr 2000), he won USO, reached 9 finals(7 titles), won 70+ matches. Competitive enough.

To put it short, when he remembers about his profession, stays healthy, controls his off court affairs, he's a top player and a very competitive individual, especially in 5-setters, lol. Other times he's not a top player, but a dangerous floater in the draw.
Also, we all know that it's hard to be a consistent performer with his risky game.

* The most amusing thing is that some people fail to understand how hard to make even top 100 in this individual sport where every week one human will is up against the other human will (with some points/ money at stake).