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If Ljubicic beats Gonzo, he'll be #3 in the world

Johnny Groove
04-20-2006, 10:16 PM
If Ivan wins his match against Gonzo, the points will be like this (im pretty sure)

3. Ljubicic- 2840
4. Nalbandian- 2825
5. Roddick- 2540

Daveeeeed :sad:
Andy :sad:

nothing against Ivan, he deserves the #3 spot if he beat Gonzo, and I also think these 3 will continue to jokey for the 3-4-5 spots all year, just like Hewitt-Roddick-Safin last year, no?

Neely
04-20-2006, 10:27 PM
Not bad from Ljubicic and good work of him! :worship: He really put together nice results the last year.

cecilija
04-20-2006, 10:28 PM
no in fewes weeks ljubo willl be noumber two nalbandian and nadal and davydenko will flight for the 3 4 5 place

Sjengster
04-20-2006, 10:44 PM
If he does then I suspect Nalbandian will recoup the points difference swiftly, even though he does have Munich champion points to defend, but it's all gravy for Ljubo in the long-term until the indoor season. LOL, he is getting closer to being the No. 2 in the world... but third spot may be as close as he'll ever get.

megadeth
04-20-2006, 11:04 PM
so, he's getting closer to no.2 like he said :p

oneandonlyhsn
04-20-2006, 11:15 PM
:bounce: Good for him, he has proved to be a worthy top 5 player

Fergie
04-21-2006, 12:36 AM
That would be amazing! ... Ivan! :worship:

cobalt60
04-21-2006, 12:40 AM
Go Ivan! Please beat Gonzalez; that would be awesome;)

mangoes
04-21-2006, 12:56 AM
:bigclap: WooHoooooo!!!! Ivan..............I hope you win tomorrow..........You've earned that no. 3 position :)

nobama
04-21-2006, 01:00 AM
How far does Andy have to fall to not be seeded #2 for Wimbledon? Obviously he doesn't have much to defend between now and then but if he's anywhere in the top 5 will he still be seeded #2?

LCeh
04-21-2006, 01:09 AM
How far does Andy have to fall to not be seeded #2 for Wimbledon? Obviously he doesn't have much to defend between now and then but if he's anywhere in the top 5 will he still be seeded #2?

I gave a crack at it in this thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=3354873#post3354873).

If I am not mistaken, Andy gets 1619 points from grass court performances from the previous 2 years, while Nadal has 40 points. Take that away from 1619, that would mean 1579. So if I didn't do anything wrong, if Nadal isn't at least 1579 points ahead of Andy when Wimbledon does the seeding, then Andy will be seeded second at Wimbledon.

Pea
04-21-2006, 01:10 AM
I don't necessarily think the ranking is important, but rather the points they have up until Wimby. If Rafa defends his clay points or close to it, I don't think rodduck has any chance at a number 2 seeding.

Whistleway
04-21-2006, 01:10 AM
How far does Andy have to fall to not be seeded #2 for Wimbledon? Obviously he doesn't have much to defend between now and then but if he's anywhere in the top 5 will he still be seeded #2?

He will be seeded #2 no matter what ranking he would be.

Jorbaty
04-21-2006, 01:48 AM
If I'm not wrong, Ljubo will only add 100 points if he beats Gonzo, so he'll stay at #4. He must reach the final to be new #3.

ys
04-21-2006, 01:50 AM
#3 in the world who never reached Slam semis.. Never won anything bigger than fre=aking Vienna.. That will be new low..

Havok
04-21-2006, 03:18 AM
Still freaks me out how Ivan still hasn't done nothing big at the important events. I believe he only has one QF appearance at a slam in his whore entire career :scared:. He got to the Madrid and Paris TMS finals last year, but both fields were insanely depleated with all the injuries. He definitely had his fair share of chances vs Federer in the Miami finals, but didn't take them. For his sake I hope he actually wins something of note to back up this incredible form he's finding and to make his rise to probably #3 a bit more ligit.

As for the grass courts, I'd be shocked if Roddick doesn't get the #2 seed regardless. Nadal has done squat on the grass, while Roddick has been 2nd best ever since 2003, thats 3 solid years.

El Legenda
04-21-2006, 04:01 AM
Still freaks me out how Ivan still hasn't done nothing big at the important events. I believe he only has one QF appearance at a slam in his whore entire career :scared:. He got to the Madrid and Paris TMS finals last year, but both fields were insanely depleated with all the injuries. He definitely had his fair share of chances vs Federer in the Miami finals, but didn't take them. For his sake I hope he actually wins something of note to back up this incredible form he's finding and to make his rise to probably #3 a bit more ligit.
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Davis Cup :D

Clara Bow
04-21-2006, 06:00 AM
If I am not mistaken, Andy gets 1619 points from grass court performances from the previous 2 years, while Nadal has 40 points. Take that away from 1619, that would mean 1579. So if I didn't do anything wrong, if Nadal isn't at least 1579 points ahead of Andy when Wimbledon does the seeding, then Andy will be seeded second at Wimbledon.

What if Nalbandian goes on a tear (not really likely...but still) and is a solidly ranked #3 by the time Wimbledon rolls around. Could he possibley be ranked #2 at Wimbledon since he has been in the finals there?

LefandePatty
04-21-2006, 06:05 AM
:help:

Guybrush
04-21-2006, 08:23 AM
Still freaks me out how Ivan still hasn't done nothing big at the important events. I believe he only has one QF appearance at a slam in his whore entire career :scared:

His new career started few months ago. When would people understand that THIS Ljubicic is not the old one?! Something has changed inside him at the end of last season and now he is a new player. :cool:

Yergeht Fladnag
04-21-2006, 08:37 AM
His new career started few months ago. When would people understand that THIS Ljubicic is not the old one?! Something has changed inside him at the end of last season and now he is a new player. :cool:
Since his 2004. Hamburg SF I hoped that he could make it. Three tight finals against Federer at the begining of 2005. were a good sign. But last year's indoor season was a real start, I agree! :worship:

RaVeR
04-21-2006, 08:39 AM
Go Ivan, please beat Gonzalez!!

Yergeht Fladnag
04-21-2006, 08:48 AM
His new career started few months ago. When would people understand that THIS Ljubicic is not the old one?! Something has changed inside him at the end of last season and now he is a new player. :cool:
Also, I think that Ljubo NEEDS something big, something like Roger's 2003. Wimbledon (TMS title will be enough, I think), and he will be even better!

Nalbandian got his big title in Shanghai, Ivan is next, please! :worship:

LocoPorElTenis
04-21-2006, 08:57 AM
I'm not a fan of Ljubicic but the third place in the ranking would be deserved. It's true that he never won anything big, but he's been extremely consistent since the indoor season last year. He proved that he can play decently in all surfaces and reach the decisive stages of TMS tournaments. All this and still no major titles wouldn't qualify him for number 1, but with Roger really getting most of the majors I think he will be a fair number 3.

Black Adam
04-21-2006, 09:01 AM
What if Nalbandian goes on a tear (not really likely...but still) and is a solidly ranked #3 by the time Wimbledon rolls around. Could he possibley be ranked #2 at Wimbledon since he has been in the finals there?
No because they judge on the grass results of the past 2 years. Guys like Ancic, Grosjean, Tom Johansson will get high seeds.

madmanfool
04-21-2006, 09:58 AM
If Ivan wins his match against Gonzo, the points will be like this (im pretty sure)

3. Ljubicic- 2840
4. Nalbandian- 2825
5. Roddick- 2540

Daveeeeed :sad:
Andy :sad:

nothing against Ivan, he deserves the #3 spot if he beat Gonzo, and I also think these 3 will continue to jokey for the 3-4-5 spots all year, just like Hewitt-Roddick-Safin last year, no?

You're wrong actually:)
He'll have 2790 with a semi-final.
I'll try to explain, it's not easy because there is a stagger. Every ranking has 13 mandatory tournaments(=all grand slams and master series) and 5 non-mandatory. The problem is monte carlo 2005 fell off the ranking a week earlier then monte carlo 2006 comes on. So last week there were only 12 mandotory tournaments in the rankings, so they included a sixth non mandatory. In the case of Ljubicic he actually won 45 points last week without playing. But this week monte carlo 2006 comes on so he loses his 18th result which happens to be 50 (qf in Marseille)
It's the same with every player, they either lose their 18th result or wathever they're defending from Barcelona, houston

http://www.tennisfacts.com/summary.htm
http://stevegtennis.com/thisweek+.htm
http://stevegtennis.com/2005-2006.htm

peter

nobama
04-21-2006, 10:31 AM
He will be seeded #2 no matter what ranking he would be.How do you figure that? :confused: They can only mess with the seedings so much.

DrJules
04-21-2006, 12:20 PM
As for the grass courts, I'd be shocked if Roddick doesn't get the #2 seed regardless. Nadal has done squat on the grass, while Roddick has been 2nd best ever since 2003, thats 3 solid years.

Do not underestimate the stupidity of the seeding committee. However, if they seed Nadal 2 and Roddick 3 Wimbledon could be looking silly if Nadal has an early exit.

Julio1974
04-21-2006, 12:46 PM
Do not underestimate the stupidity of the seeding committee. However, if they seed Nadal 2 and Roddick 3 Wimbledon could be looking silly if Nadal has an early exit.

What is silly is the system, not the committee.

stebs
04-21-2006, 03:22 PM
Just thought I would add this to the thread as it may be of interest.

I am sure some have already noted this but it makes no difference about being 1 or 2. They amount to the same thingas do 3 and 4. As do 5,6,7,8. As do 9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16. As do 17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32.

So long as it continues to be chance which of the 3/4 the no.1 meets in the semis and chance which of the 5/6/7/8 the no.1 meets in the quarter final then it won't matter.

It only matters if you change from one of the pools of seeds as Roddick would if he is no.3 this year.

Julio1974
04-21-2006, 03:40 PM
Just thought I would add this to the thread as it may be of interest.

I am sure some have already noted this but it makes no difference about being 1 or 2. They amount to the same thingas do 3 and 4. As do 5,6,7,8. As do 9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16. As do 17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32.

So long as it continues to be chance which of the 3/4 the no.1 meets in the semis and chance which of the 5/6/7/8 the no.1 meets in the quarter final then it won't matter.

It only matters if you change from one of the pools of seeds as Roddick would if he is no.3 this year.

That's relative. Even in GS, some players don't play (mostly due to injuries). So, if Nadal does not play. it's not the same to be 3rd or 4th. If Ljubicic does not play, it's not the same to be 5th or 6th.

stebs
04-21-2006, 03:44 PM
That's relative. Even in GS, some players don't play (mostly due to injuries). So, if Nadal does not play. it's not the same to be 3rd or 4th. If Ljubicic does not play, it's not the same to be 5th or 6th.
I mean seedings for slams ;)

Eg.

Say there is a tournament with just 4 players and 4 seeds. The 1 and 2 will avoid each other.

(1) vs
(2) vs

It does not matter if your seeding is 3 or 4 as there is an equal chance for you to face either player.

Julio1974
04-21-2006, 04:10 PM
I mean seedings for slams ;)

Eg.

Say there is a tournament with just 4 players and 4 seeds. The 1 and 2 will avoid each other.

(1) vs
(2) vs

It does not matter if your seeding is 3 or 4 as there is an equal chance for you to face either player.

Ok. Ii misunderstood you (as usual). Sorry.

LCeh
04-21-2006, 09:32 PM
What if Nalbandian goes on a tear (not really likely...but still) and is a solidly ranked #3 by the time Wimbledon rolls around. Could he possibley be ranked #2 at Wimbledon since he has been in the finals there?

If I am not mistaken, they only look at the previous 2 years' grass result of a player, so Nalbandian made the final of 02, which is 4 years ago. That shouldn't affect the seeding.

Nalbandian got to the quarters of Wimbledon last year, giving him 250 entry points, and 5 points from Halle. He didn't play any match on grass in 04. Counting the 40 extra points that Rafa should get from the previous 2 years, that would mean that as long as Rafa is 215 points ahead of Nalbandian, he will be seeded before him.