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MONTE CARLO DRAW

mangoes
04-15-2006, 11:05 AM
http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=/posting/2006/410/MDS.pdf


(1) FEDERER, Roger SUI v Qualifier
KARLOVIC, Ivo CRO v MARTIN, Alberto ESP
ROCHUS, Christophe BEL v HAAS, Tommy GER
VERDASCO, Fernando ESP v (13) GROSJEAN, Sebastien FRA

(11) FERRERO, Juan Carlos ESP v TURSUNOV, Dmitry RUS
CHELA, Juan Ignacio ARG v RUSEDSKI, Greg GBR
HRBATY, Dominik SVK v Qualifier
MASSU, Nicolas CHI v (8) FERRER, David ESP

(4) LJUBICIC, Ivan CRO v ANDREEV, Igor RUS
SRICHAPHAN, Paradorn THA v SERRA, Florent FRA
(WC) SIMON, Gilles FRA v Qualifier
SANTORO, Fabrice FRA v (16) BERDYCH, Tomas CZE

(12) GONZALEZ, Fernando CHI v MOYA, Carlos ESP
HANESCU, Victor ROM v LOPEZ, Feliciano ESP
Qualifier v Qualifier
SODERLING, Robin SWE v (5) DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS

(7) GAUDIO, Gaston ARG v HENMAN, Tim GBR
ACASUSO, Jose ARG v VOLANDRI, Filippo ITA
Qualifier v WAWRINKA, Stanislas SUI
Qualifier v (10) STEPANEK, Radek CZE

(15) ROBREDO, Tommy ESP v HORNA, Luis PER
MONFILS, Gael FRA v ROCHUS, Olivier BEL
SANGUINETTI, Davide ITA v SEPPI, Andreas ITA
MALISSE, Xavier BEL v (3) NALBANDIAN, David ARG

(6) CORIA, Guillermo ARG v YOUZHNY, Mikhail RUS
MATHIEU, Paul-Henri FRA v SAFIN, Marat RUS
PASHANSKI, Boris SCG v (WC) LLODRA, Michael FRA
MIRNYI, Max BLR v (9) KIEFER, Nicolas GER

(14) NIEMINEN, Jarkko FIN v VLIEGEN, Kristof BEL
Qualifier v (WC) BENNETEAU, Julien FRA
(WC) LISNARD, Jean-Rene MON v MURRAY, Andy GBR
CLEMENT, Arnaud FRA v (2) NADAL, Rafael ESP


Thanks GeorgeWHitler ;)

Five
04-15-2006, 11:10 AM
First round: Nadal vs Clément :unsure:

mangoes
04-15-2006, 11:11 AM
Nadal vs Safin...........hopefully Safin will be fit after this week's run.............This should be an interesting match...........

NATAS81
04-15-2006, 11:12 AM
Can't get it to load. Thanks bootleg copy of Acrobat.

nobama
04-15-2006, 11:14 AM
So a potential Fed/Haas R3? :o Haas must be thinking what do I have to do to get away from that guy besides playing mickey mouse tournaments. Is Haas for sure playing MC? Even if he wins Houston?

Action Jackson
04-15-2006, 11:15 AM
(1) FEDERER, Roger SUI v Qualifier
KARLOVIC, Ivo CRO v MARTIN, Alberto ESP
ROCHUS, Christophe BEL v HAAS, Tommy GER
VERDASCO, Fernando ESP v (13) GROSJEAN, Sebastien FRA

(11) FERRERO, Juan Carlos ESP v TURSUNOV, Dmitry RUS
CHELA, Juan Ignacio ARG v RUSEDSKI, Greg GBR
HRBATY, Dominik SVK v Qualifier
MASSU, Nicolas CHI v (8) FERRER, David ESP

(4) LJUBICIC, Ivan CRO v ANDREEV, Igor RUS
SRICHAPHAN, Paradorn THA v SERRA, Florent FRA
(WC) SIMON, Gilles FRA v Qualifier
SANTORO, Fabrice FRA v (16) BERDYCH, Tomas CZE

(12) GONZALEZ, Fernando CHI v MOYA, Carlos ESP
HANESCU, Victor ROM v LOPEZ, Feliciano ESP
Qualifier v Qualifier
SODERLING, Robin SWE v (5) DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS

(7) GAUDIO, Gaston ARG v HENMAN, Tim GBR
ACASUSO, Jose ARG v VOLANDRI, Filippo ITA
Qualifier v WAWRINKA, Stanislas SUI
Qualifier v (10) STEPANEK, Radek CZE

(15) ROBREDO, Tommy ESP v HORNA, Luis PER
MONFILS, Gael FRA v ROCHUS, Olivier BEL
SANGUINETTI, Davide ITA v SEPPI, Andreas ITA
MALISSE, Xavier BEL v (3) NALBANDIAN, David ARG

(6) CORIA, Guillermo ARG v YOUZHNY, Mikhail RUS
MATHIEU, Paul-Henri FRA v SAFIN, Marat RUS
PASHANSKI, Boris SCG v (WC) LLODRA, Michael FRA
MIRNYI, Max BLR v (9) KIEFER, Nicolas GER

(14) NIEMINEN, Jarkko FIN v VLIEGEN, Kristof BEL
Qualifier v (WC) BENNETEAU, Julien FRA
(WC) LISNARD, Jean-Rene MON v MURRAY, Andy GBR
CLEMENT, Arnaud FRA v (2) NADAL, Rafael ESP

rrfnpump
04-15-2006, 11:15 AM
Tursunov v Ferrero :sad: :(
Ljubicic v Andreev :banghead:
Gonzalez v Moya :speakles:
Clement v Nadal :mad:

disturb3d
04-15-2006, 11:16 AM
Sucks to be Haas.
Drawn Federer (early) 3 out of 4 big tournaments this year.

Ruski
04-15-2006, 11:17 AM
Oh! Tough opener for Dmitry to play against two times champion Juanqui!!!! :o

Ivan is not too strong on clay, Igor should be able to beat him!!! ;)

Marat has an ok draw, unsure of the current form of Guillermo!!! Anyway, I hope Misha will beat Guillermo! I see Marat will advance to the QF.... oh... the potential opponent Rafael Nadal!!! :rolleyes:

Among all the Russians, Kolai has the best draw!!! :)

Monteque
04-15-2006, 11:22 AM
Ljubicic and Davy should change place

NATAS81
04-15-2006, 11:22 AM
* Ivan will be tested right off the bat, lol

* Robïn :(

* Henman is gonna drop even further, lol

* Federer is seeing a lot of the Rochus'

stebs
04-15-2006, 11:24 AM
The bottom half looks a hell of a lot tougher than the top half. Obviously they may not be in form but still: Nadal, Coria, Gaudio, Safin, Nalbandian.

I am looking forward to a quarter final between Rafa and Safin/Coria.

Are the draws for Haas being rigged or something? Maybe he is just a Federer magnet.

nobama
04-15-2006, 11:27 AM
* Ivan will be tested right off the bat, lol

* Robïn :(

* Henman is gonna drop even further, lol

* Federer is seeing a lot of the Rochus'I doubt Roger will be seeing either of the Rochus brothers this tournament. And Ollie's the only one who could give him trouble anyway.

CooCooCachoo
04-15-2006, 11:28 AM
Lucky Murray.

David Kenzie
04-15-2006, 11:29 AM
Lucky Murray.
A Bye in R1 but Nadal in R2. Not so lucky ;)

stebs
04-15-2006, 11:32 AM
Murray - Nadal should be interesting. I wonder how badly Murray will get beat.

Corey Feldman
04-15-2006, 11:32 AM
dodgy how this Haas and Fed are always in each other's path .. but c.rochus or nando could beat Haas anyway imo
dont think Federer has ever played monte carlo specialist Beto Martin ..
Henman v Gaudio, Henman owns him, even on clay... so prepare for another loss Gaston :devil:
Chela over Rusedski .. wonder how low the odds will be on this match.

stebs
04-15-2006, 11:36 AM
Henman v Gaudio, Henman owns him, even on clay... so prepare for another loss Gaston :devil:


They haven't played each other for 4 years and haven't faced off on clay for 5 years. Things change.

CooCooCachoo
04-15-2006, 11:36 AM
* Ivan will be tested right off the bat, lol

* Robïn :(

* Henman is gonna drop even further, lol

* Federer is seeing a lot of the Rochus'

Uhm, he won't be seeing any Rochus :tape:

Alvarillo
04-15-2006, 11:38 AM
Ferrero vs Tursunov :scared:

*Ljubica*
04-15-2006, 11:41 AM
Interesting draw - at least I'll be sure to see Gastón on British TV for a change :p

TheBoiledEgg
04-15-2006, 11:43 AM
Igor put Ljubicic in his place :banana: :D
Marat got a tough opener :(

Gaudio vs Henman ........... Gaston better not lose again on clay to Farmer :rolls:

Moya vs Gonzo :bolt: :scared:
Tommy again in same section as Roger :mad:

mangoes
04-15-2006, 11:44 AM
Murray - Nadal should be interesting. I wonder how badly Murray will get beat.


:lol: :lol: I'll give Murray a total of 4 games for the whole match. Spread them around as you please........ 6-1, 6-3 or 6-2, 6-2 Terrible draw for Murray!

Velvetcat
04-15-2006, 11:44 AM
Another easy draw for Roger. Tough one for Rafa.

mangoes
04-15-2006, 11:45 AM
Another easy draw for Roger. Tough one for Rafa.

Well, every draw is hard, but why do you consider Rafa's draw to be tougher than Roger??

TheBoiledEgg
04-15-2006, 11:47 AM
Lucky Murray.

Mini Me will see him off :rolls:
http://www.posterplanet.net/images/minime.jpg

go Lisnard :devil:

euroka1
04-15-2006, 11:51 AM
Much more fun than Houston!

Action Jackson
04-15-2006, 11:51 AM
Murray vs Lisnard match of the tournament.

veyonce
04-15-2006, 11:52 AM
Well, every draw is hard, but why do you consider Rafa's draw to be tougher than Roger??

Guess cos Roger mostly faces qualifiers in all his draws and will faces seeded players in the later rounds...

CooCooCachoo
04-15-2006, 11:53 AM
Mini Me will see him off :rolls:
http://www.posterplanet.net/images/minime.jpg

go Lisnard :devil:

We can only hope.

:lol:

Corey Feldman
04-15-2006, 11:55 AM
They haven't played each other for 4 years and haven't faced off on clay for 5 years. Things change.True..
this time El Gato will get even more of a beating.

mangoes
04-15-2006, 11:59 AM
Guess cos Roger mostly faces qualifiers in all his draws and will faces seeded players in the later rounds...

Their respective initial rounds:

ROGER

(1) FEDERER, Roger SUI v Qualifier
KARLOVIC, Ivo CRO v MARTIN, Alberto ESP
ROCHUS, Christophe BEL v HAAS, Tommy GER
VERDASCO, Fernando ESP v (13) GROSJEAN, Sebastien FRA

NADAL

(14) NIEMINEN, Jarkko FIN v VLIEGEN, Kristof BEL
Qualifier v (WC) BENNETEAU, Julien FRA
(WC) LISNARD, Jean-Rene MON v MURRAY, Andy GBR
CLEMENT, Arnaud FRA v (2) NADAL, Rafael ESP

I fail to see the many qualifiers in Roger's round nor do I see less challenging players for Roger vs for Nadal.

veyonce
04-15-2006, 12:07 PM
I meant Roger always get to play against qualifiers in almost all his first matches in the tournaments' draws....

mangoes
04-15-2006, 12:09 PM
I meant Roger always get to play against qualifiers in almost all his first matches in the tournaments' draws....


Well, if it makes you feel better, I believe it was a Qualifier, Gasquet, that ended Roger's Monte Carlo 05 bid............

Allez
04-15-2006, 12:10 PM
Rogi's draw is not that bad. No Gasquet this year, so hopefully he'll do better than last year.

OMG Tommy Haas! He's playing Rogi so many times that I'm scared he'll start figuring him out :scared:.

Murray, terrible draw as usual. Don't see how he can win a set off Nadal on clay. No way :shrug: Judy better have something up her sleeve...

NaDALiTa
04-15-2006, 12:10 PM
veyonce i share completely your opinion, always the same thing ......... :sad:

iced gem
04-15-2006, 12:20 PM
Poor Tommy.....again!!
Who has he got to bribe to escape Roger?!! ;)

mangoes
04-15-2006, 12:21 PM
Poor Tommy.....again!!
Who has he got to bribe to escape Roger?!! ;)

Jim Courier :p

cornellboy
04-15-2006, 12:21 PM
Rafa does have a tough draw :awww:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
04-15-2006, 12:29 PM
Ivan has a tough draw. :armed: If he can be abe to win 3 matches,I will thank god! :o
TommyH is really unlucky. :bigcry: Face tennis god too early again! :mad:

stebs
04-15-2006, 12:30 PM
veyonce i share completely your opinion, always the same thing ......... :sad:
Stop moaning. Rafa doesn't get draws any tougher than Roger, there is no conspiracy. I bet if the draws were switched around and Roger had the draw Rafa has now you'd say the axact same thing.

Velvetcat
04-15-2006, 12:35 PM
Well, every draw is hard, but why do you consider Rafa's draw to be tougher than Roger??
I consider it obvious. Though it amounts to opinion, and a different perspective.

It's all relative & it's not to do with getting a qualifier first round. I find his draw easy - for him...

And like I said, a very tough one for Rafa. 'Potentially', because of course anything can happen, but that's how it looks on face value

Leo
04-15-2006, 12:36 PM
Ferrero simply MUST beat Tursunov on clay. If not, he's toast. Absolute toast. Losing to Dmitry on hard courts is excusable but not on red clay.

I wouldn't get too excited over a Haas/Federer rematch just yet. Haas has got to contend with jet lag and probably Grosjean with (pretty much) home advantage before the 3rd round.

Poor Misha has to play his double-bagelling conqueror Coria, ouch. I hope Coria truly is off this season and will give Youzhny a shot to win. But even then, it's probably Safin in the next round and that's always the end for any other Russian.

Leo
04-15-2006, 12:37 PM
Yeah, what are Nadal fans smoking? His draw is easier than Fed's. Nadal should have a bye into the quarters.

nobama
04-15-2006, 12:38 PM
Stop moaning. Rafa doesn't get draws any tougher than Roger, there is no conspiracy. I bet if the draws were switched around and Roger had the draw Rafa has now you'd say the axact same thing.:lol: someone on VamosRafael.com board says all the draws are rigged, there's nothing random about them. There are no easy draws in MS events, unless it's the end of the year and the really good players end up skipping the event because they're injured and/or tired.

nobama
04-15-2006, 12:40 PM
I consider it obvious. Though it amounts to opinion, and a different perspective.

It's all relative & it's not to do with getting a qualifier first round. I find his draw easy - for him...

And like I said, a very tough one for Rafa. 'Potentially', because of course anything can happen, but that's how it looks on face valueYou still haven't said why though? Btw...I don't think Roger's half is tougher. But I'd like to know which players on Rafa's side you think constitute a tougher draw. :shrug:

croat123
04-15-2006, 12:44 PM
wow, ivan got a tough draw. but he's playing so well and he played really well on clay in dc this year so i like his chances.

mickymouse
04-15-2006, 12:45 PM
Safin vs Coria and Safin vs Nadal will be interesting. Let's see whether he can outfox the wily Coria and overpower the claycourt whiz kid Nadal. Federer's draw isn't easy by any stretch of the imagination. It only appears easy for him because he has beaten Haas 3 or 4 times this year already and everyone assumes he won't have any problems beating him again. If anyone else draws Haas in the third round, would he still be considered lucky or have an easy draw?

texasgirl
04-15-2006, 12:46 PM
veyonce i share completely your opinion, always the same thing ......... :sad:


I third it!

nobama
04-15-2006, 12:49 PM
I third it!Because all draws are rigged, right? ;)

Aleka
04-15-2006, 12:49 PM
Hope this tournament won't be another disapointment for Juanqui :awww:

I hope little Igor can get his revenge :bounce: over Serra, for losing the Bucharest final to him :ras:

Pobresito Chucho...he has a rather tought draw :sobbing:....hope he can do well :worship:

As for Marat....he can beat Paulo, but against Coria I'm a little :scared:...the only time they met on clay was in MC....and Coria beat him :sad:

stebs
04-15-2006, 12:49 PM
Federer's draw isn't easy by any stretch of the imagination. It only appears easy for him because he has beaten Haas 3 or 4 times this year already and everyone assumes he won't have any problems beating him again. If anyone else draws Haas in the third round, would he still be considered lucky or have an easy draw?

Whatever draw Federer gets it is called easy because the only players who much of MTF thinks can beat Federer are Nalbandian and Nadal. Nadal is obviously not going to be in Federers half and Nalbandian is 50/50. If Fed doesn't get Nalby in his half then he has an 'easy draw'.

nobama
04-15-2006, 12:50 PM
Safin vs Coria and Safin vs Nadal will be interesting. Let's see whether he can outfox the wily Coria and overpower the claycourt whiz kid Nadal. Federer's draw isn't easy by any stretch of the imagination. It only appears easy for him because he has beaten Haas 3 or 4 times this year already and everyone assumes he won't have any problems beating him again. If anyone else draws Haas in the third round, would he still be considered lucky or have an easy draw?But Haas has to get to the third round and he's still playing in Houston. Even if he gets to the third round he'll be dead tired. He's played a lot of matches this year so far.

Leo
04-15-2006, 12:53 PM
But Haas has to get to the third round and he's still playing in Houston. Even if he gets to the third round he'll be dead tired. He's played a lot of matches this year so far.

Exactly. I'd be pretty shocked if he made it that far. And I think Grosjean would be a better test for Federer than Haas, anyway.

stebs
04-15-2006, 12:56 PM
Exactly. I'd be pretty shocked if he made it that far. And I think Grosjean would be a better test for Federer than Haas, anyway.
Grosjean - Federer would be a good match, both nice players. I'd be interested to see backhand exchanges between those two. I think Grosjean might come of better.

NaDALiTa
04-15-2006, 12:56 PM
Stop moaning. Rafa doesn't get draws any tougher than Roger, there is no conspiracy. I bet if the draws were switched around and Roger had the draw Rafa has now you'd say the axact same thing.


i never said it's a conspiracy draws are made by luck , so Rafa didn't have luck this time again!!!! no matter who is on his draw he'll do it again even if he would have played Federer on the 1st :o :p

Velvetcat
04-15-2006, 12:56 PM
You still haven't said why though? Btw...I don't think Roger's half is tougher. But I'd like to know which players on Rafa's side you think constitute a tougher draw. :shrug:
I know because I don't see the point & my opinion won't be changing. Just like your opinion & others who concur, also won't be changed.

Because all draws are rigged, right?
Seems clear the draw's aren't rigged

If anyone else draws Haas in the third round, would he still be considered lucky or have an easy draw?
That's why it's all relative...

Monteque
04-15-2006, 01:03 PM
i agree with who said that it's another straight way to Fed until final. Even i'm a fedfan but i expect he get tougher enemies, the bustle really hope the lively games. It's a shame Blake absent.

But i don't know maybe it's only Fed factor or what so each enemies that staked out to meet him looks easier. In case we change place upside down Fed to Nadal, he'll get Nalby or Safin, tougher, maybe.

mickymouse
04-15-2006, 01:08 PM
i never said it's a conspiracy draws are made by luck , so Rafa didn't have luck this time again!!!! no matter who is on his draw he'll do it again even if he would have played Federer on the 1st :o :p

I thought Nadal had a pretty easy draw in Miami and Pacific Life. Most assumed before the matches that he would be able to get past Blake and Moya. It was Federer who had a tough draw in Miami but it's a sad fact that many just do not give him enough credit for pulling through but start jumping on him the moment they feel that others have a tougher draw than him.

NaDALiTa
04-15-2006, 01:18 PM
i don't say that he has an easy draw just because i'm fan of Nadal, first of all i love to see good games, i'm a little bit fed up of watching Federer against "easy" players , especially on clay, he doesn't have good clay player on his side contrary to Rafael

Sjengster
04-15-2006, 02:41 PM
Rubbish. Look at that QF bracket, there are four men there (Ferrero, Chela, Massu, Ferrer) in with a decent shot of beating him on clay, and that's the same round he's fallen at twice before in this event. People seem to forget that the number of players capable of defeating Federer increases threefold on clay.

TennisGrandSlam
04-15-2006, 02:43 PM
Haas :cool:

Haas = Midway of Federer's Title Race :)

joeb_uk
04-15-2006, 02:49 PM
Lots of nice matches for me :) Finally a tournament where we dont have to wait a few rounds before there are any decent matchups!!

Action Jackson
04-15-2006, 02:52 PM
Lots of nice matches for me :) Finally a tournament where we dont have to wait a few rounds before there are any decent matchups!!

Yes, unlike most people I can actually enjoy a lot of these matches and there are very few claycourt clowns in this field.

propi
04-15-2006, 02:57 PM
Vamos :bounce:
This tournament should mark Robredo's comeback :worship:
Vamos Juanqui... time to wake up, it's clay time :bounce:

nobama
04-15-2006, 03:05 PM
I know because I don't see the point & my opinion won't be changing. Just like your opinion & others who concur, also won't be changed. Then don't say anything if you won't back up your opinion. I Just asked a simple question. Why do you think Rafa has a tougher draw. 'Just because' is no response. And my comment on rigged draws was in response to texasgirl who posted on the Rafa fan page message board that that draws are fixed and there is nothing random about them.

nobama
04-15-2006, 03:09 PM
Rubbish. Look at that QF bracket, there are four men there (Ferrero, Chela, Massu, Ferrer) in with a decent shot of beating him on clay, and that's the same round he's fallen at twice before in this event. People seem to forget that the number of players capable of defeating Federer increases threefold on clay.Wouldn't matter if every decent clay court player outside of Nadal was in his half of the draw. They'd still say he has an easier draw. Seems to me when the best in the world are playing an event (as is the case in MC) no one has an easy draw. I don't care if you draw a qualifier in R1 or not.

rofe
04-15-2006, 03:15 PM
i don't say that he has an easy draw just because i'm fan of Nadal, first of all i love to see good games, i'm a little bit fed up of watching Federer against "easy" players , especially on clay, he doesn't have good clay player on his side contrary to Rafael

What goes around comes around. I think Fed needs a lot of luck on clay and if he is getting an "easy" draw at MC (which I don't agree with), I think he deserves it. He had the toughest draw at Miami so it is good he got lucky (by your definition).

bellascarlett
04-15-2006, 03:17 PM
wrong post haha...

LLeytonRules
04-15-2006, 03:23 PM
Nadal will lose early, book it. ;)

cecilija
04-15-2006, 03:30 PM
clement or murrarll send that punk to home :devil:
Nadal will lose early, book it. ;)

World Beater
04-15-2006, 03:36 PM
nadal's toughest opponent is murray in his section. the others are all all hardcourters.

Federer has beto martin, grosjean or possibly haas. Three guys who have accomplished a heck of a lot more on clay than anyone in nadal's quarter.

Federer is no guarantee on clay. Guys like beto martin, david ferrer who normally would be appetizers on hardcourts now have graduated to become full course meals. Its gonna take a lot more effort to devour them.

Merton
04-15-2006, 03:37 PM
There are many interesting first round matches, and no George, i don't think Lisnard-Murray is one among them :tape: As for the difficulty of the draw, there are players who can take Roger and Rafa down anyway, the only draw that matters is at RG because you then add the issue of how much energy is spent during the tournament, given that one survives of course.

Merton
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
Rubbish. Look at that QF bracket, there are four men there (Ferrero, Chela, Massu, Ferrer) in with a decent shot of beating him on clay, and that's the same round he's fallen at twice before in this event. People seem to forget that the number of players capable of defeating Federer increases threefold on clay.

I am not sure about Chela and Ferrero at this moment but your point is correct.

LLeytonRules
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
I am sure who ever wins this, will take Rome off.

ae wowww
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
Poor Ivo :sad: Looks like he will go 0-3 against Rog before too long!

Julio1974
04-15-2006, 03:46 PM
Coria has an awful draw (he is toasted, unless he suddenly remembers how to play on clay). David has quite a good draw, but it's David and I'm not sure whether he will get advantage of it. Berdych has also an interesting draw (he might kick Ivan's ass again, provided Andreed doesn't beat him first). Nieminen should try to advance far enough to play Nadal.

Four interesting matches I'd love to watch: Moya-Feña Gonzales, Mathieu-Safin and Ferrer-Massu and Ljubicic-Andreev

Sjengster
04-15-2006, 03:47 PM
Poor Ivo :sad: Looks like he will go 0-3 against Rog before too long!

I think he has to wait another couple of tournaments for that to happen, don't you, considering he has Martin first round?

Raquel
04-15-2006, 03:54 PM
Ferrero vs Tursunov :scared:
Yep....:scared:

Murray v Nadal (hopefully) :scared: Good luck Andy. You'll need it.

Hopp Rogi! :bounce:
Vamos Coria :devil:
Udachi Max :cool:
Vamos Tommy :hug:

Castafiore
04-15-2006, 03:54 PM
FFS, ever time it's the same BS in here. :(
Poster 1: "my favorite has a tough draw"
Poster 2: "stop whining, my favorite has players A,B and C in his draw. It's more difficult"
Poster 1: "oh come off it, my favorite has such a tough draw with players D, E, F possibly waiting for him "
....etc etc....

What's the point of needing to prove that the other player has an easy draw - other than being able to point and laugh when the player loses early in that so-called easy draw.
What's the point of needing to prove that the draw of your favorite player is tougher - other than being able to point out that there's no shame in losing giving the tough opposition.
:shrug:


:lol: someone on VamosRafael.com board says all the draws are rigged
:rolleyes: You actually went through the trouble to visit VamosRafael.com to find one post (which others denied in the same thread but you easily left that out in your post) so you can laugh about it and post it here to make what point exactly? (other than mocking the post, that is)

You want me to visit RogerFederer.com to search for silly posts about draws, possible opponents,...? I only visit that site a couple of times a year but judging from those visits, silly posts are not hard to find.
It's easy to find them on any fansite.
So, what's your point what that post?

Action Jackson
04-15-2006, 03:57 PM
There are many interesting first round matches, and no George, i don't think Lisnard-Murray is one among them :tape: As for the difficulty of the draw, there are players who can take Roger and Rafa down anyway, the only draw that matters is at RG because you then add the issue of how much energy is spent during the tournament, given that one survives of course.

Well you know where I write my serious previews and I am going to do that now.

But I wonder if the Monegasques will be out in their thousands cheering on Lisnard?

Merton
04-15-2006, 04:02 PM
Well you know where I write my serious previews and I am going to do that now.

But I wonder if the Monegasques will be out in their thousands cheering on Lisnard?

Somehow, i think they will be more excited fot the matches of Seb and PHM. Damn, those Monegasques are such internationalists :lol:

mandoura
04-15-2006, 04:03 PM
Are the draws for Haas being rigged or something? Maybe he is just a Federer magnet.

I was thinking the same thing. :)

We have a saying here: He who is scared of the devil, meets him. ;)

Gulliver
04-15-2006, 04:04 PM
All this talk of whom Federer will meet in later rounds, when he first has to get past a qualifier with 2 matches already under his belt. Federer hasn't played a match on clay this year yet, and he's always said that he finds the first rounds the toughest. Check out the qualifiers first before counting chickens. Same for all the players and first round match ups. Even the Lizard may shock us all!

Alexiana
04-15-2006, 04:06 PM
Tommy :shrug: I just can't believe that....AGAIN

World Beater
04-15-2006, 04:13 PM
FFS, ever time it's the same BS in here. :(
Poster 1: "my favorite has a tough draw"
Poster 2: "stop whining, my favorite has players A,B and C in his draw. It's more difficult"
Poster 1: "oh come off it, my favorite has such a tough draw with players D, E, F possibly waiting for him "
....etc etc....

What's the point of needing to prove that the other player has an easy draw - other than being able to point and laugh when the player loses early in that so-called easy draw.
What's the point of needing to prove that the draw of your favorite player is tougher - other than being able to point out that there's no shame in losing giving the tough opposition.
:shrug:





you are abosolutely right for the most part. But i will argue that in general rafa has tougher draws on hardcourt than roger does because rafa can be beaten by more players on that surface (draws are of course relative to the player, and not the quality of opponents neccesarily). The reverse is obvious on clay.

I would say that despite the fact that roger has favorable h-h against his opponents in his quarter, this is clay and because of that beto martin, grosjean and haas stand a better chance.

Nadal will probably wipe the floor with everyone in his quarter. Nieminen, clement and murray havent done anything significant on clay and clement's victory over nadal came when nadal was back in his first tournament from injury on a hardcourt.

Action Jackson
04-15-2006, 04:14 PM
Somehow, i think they will be more excited fot the matches of Seb and PHM. Damn, those Monegasques are such internationalists :lol:

Yes, internationalists at taking money for sure :)

Jean Rene is only 2nd in popularity to Prince Albert.

Action Jackson
04-15-2006, 04:16 PM
Nadal will probably wipe the floor with everyone in his quarter. Nieminen, clement and murray havent done anything significant on clay and clement's victory over nadal came when nadal was back in his first tournament from injury on a hardcourt.

Nieminen is a monkey on clay now is he? He is just as adept on clay as he is on hardcourt.

mandoura
04-15-2006, 04:20 PM
Rubbish. Look at that QF bracket, there are four men there (Ferrero, Chela, Massu, Ferrer) in with a decent shot of beating him on clay, and that's the same round he's fallen at twice before in this event. People seem to forget that the number of players capable of defeating Federer increases threefold on clay.

:yeah:

World Beater
04-15-2006, 04:21 PM
Nieminen is a monkey on clay now is he? He is just as adept on clay as he is on hardcourt.

did i say he was a monkey? But certainly not the same level as beto martin or grosjean. hence the relative term i used "significant"

Action Jackson
04-15-2006, 04:29 PM
did i say he was a monkey? But certainly not the same level as beto martin or grosjean. hence the relative term i used "significant"

You are joking right? Grosjean is past his best now and Beto Martin is solid, but have you ever seen Nieminen play on clay?

Mara_M
04-15-2006, 04:34 PM
i'm scared for igor!marat-paulo should be fun:)!

World Beater
04-15-2006, 04:36 PM
You are joking right? Grosjean is past his best now and Beto Martin is solid, but have you ever seen Nieminen play on clay?

hey, if he beats nadal. hats off to him. but i see grosjean and martin as having a better chance to beat roger on clay. grosjean and martin are tougher draws for roger, than nieminen is for nadal who is by far the best clay player there is. what has nieminen done on clay? Nothing compared to grosjean, and no grosjean even now is still a bigger threat.

if you beg to differ, fine but it will only be justified when one compares the scorelines if nieminen even gets out the first round.

Action Jackson
04-15-2006, 04:45 PM
hey, if he beats nadal. hats off to him. but i see grosjean and martin as having a better chance to beat roger on clay. grosjean and martin are tougher draws for roger, than nieminen is for nadal who is by far the best clay player there is. what has nieminen done on clay? Nothing compared to grosjean, and no grosjean even now is still a bigger threat.

You thnk Grosjean is at his best, the way you are talking about him. Grosjean is not getting close to Federer.

In other words you didn't answer the question? Have you seen Nieminen play on clay? Wow, Nadal is the best player on clay, next I will find out rain is wet. He and Nadal had a good match last year in Stuttgart which wasn't that easy for Rafa, but he handled it well enough.

Just for you Nieminen has made 3 of his 5 finals on clay losing to Gaudio, Nalbandian and Federer. Since he plays in the better clay tournaments he is 43-24 and that's in 3 seasons, so does that suggest he has done nothing on the surface.

Don't forget he has been out with a lot of injury problems and hardly played on clay in 04 or 05.

NYCtennisfan
04-15-2006, 04:45 PM
Nadal has a harder draw than Federer. This is one of the few times that I have seen Federer NOT initially have a tough draw at a TMS event.

revolution
04-15-2006, 05:24 PM
Hmm, I see groupies.

Interesting all round draw.

Natasha2005
04-15-2006, 06:15 PM
Even if Roger does in fact have the "easier" draw he is supposed to as it is one of the perks of being the number one player. The higher your ranking the least likely your are to face a seed or highly ranked players (top 50 ) in the early rounds. Your high rankings earn you the privilege of facing low ranked/ or the least dangerous opponents in the early rounds.

Argentine girl
04-15-2006, 06:18 PM
David has quite a good draw, but it's David and I'm not sure whether he will get advantage of it.

Agree 100%.
However I always support Nalbo. Let go as far as you can.

soraya
04-15-2006, 09:04 PM
This explains your lack of objectivity.

COMPLETAMENTE RAFAHOLIC

anserq
04-15-2006, 09:05 PM
FEderer will win.

Havok
04-15-2006, 09:40 PM
Fucking hell, when is Haas going to get a KIND draw at a big event?:fiery: Well if he has to beat Roger, clay is going to surely help. Just a few more events and Tommy should finally be avoiding Roger so early in every single event both he and Roger enter.:o

joeb_uk
04-15-2006, 10:56 PM
Nadal vs Safin...........hopefully Safin will be fit after this week's run.............This should be an interesting match...........

Me too, I dont think they have played before have they? Probably the matchup I have wanted to see most. Would love to see a top form safin play nadal :D Very interesting. Hopefully it can happen, coria really the only threat to prevent it.

oneandonlyhsn
04-15-2006, 10:57 PM
Nadal vs Safin...........hopefully Safin will be fit after this week's run.............This should be an interesting match...........

He has to get through PHM first ;)

nobama
04-15-2006, 11:09 PM
Nadal has a harder draw than Federer. This is one of the few times that I have seen Federer NOT initially have a tough draw at a TMS event.Well I'll ask you since my other question went unanswered. Why do you think Rafa has a harder draw?

Fed=ATPTourkilla
04-15-2006, 11:54 PM
Federer doesn't have an easier draw. It's complete BS. He has several recognised claycourters in his quarter. Nadal is going to wipe the floor with Clement, possibly bagel Murray and beat Nieminen in straight sets. He has a POTENTIALLY tricky match against Safin or Coria but there are big question marks over both players.

I would say there's more chance of Rafa reaching the final than Roger (although I think both will make it).

NYCtennisfan
04-16-2006, 12:02 AM
Well I'll ask you since my other question went unanswered. Why do you think Rafa has a harder draw?


To me, a harder draw is not necessarily 6 decent/good opponents, but one or two who when they are on can beat anyone. For Nadal, I think that means Safin (who knows if he will play at all), Coria (if he plays like he has the past two years during this time of year), and possibly Nalbandian. I don't see the same thing for Federer. In any case, it's not that much of a harder, but I do think it is more difficult.

ChloeLove
04-16-2006, 01:47 AM
Very interesting draw, I'd have to say Nadal has a tough draw for once. I would LOVE to see a Safin vs. Nadal game, as everyone would. However, Safin will have to get past Coria.

I'm curious to see how Coria will be playing, after he's been out for awhile. Coria is a SERIOUS threat on clay, and the only person who really challenged Nadal last year. It would be nice to see Coria back on form, and I'd be just as happy to see a Nadal vs. Coria as I would Nadal vs. Safin. They are both great match ups.

Ahh, i'm looking forward to this TMS. It's going to be great, as long as there are no 1st, 2nd round losses.

TennisGrandSlam
04-16-2006, 04:30 AM
:lol: someone on VamosRafael.com board says all the draws are rigged, there's nothing random about them. There are no easy draws in MS events, unless it's the end of the year and the really good players end up skipping the event because they're injured and/or tired.


:rolleyes:


In IW and Miami, Roger got the tough draw (He always met on-fire players like Haas, Blake and Ljubicic, all won 2 titles in the 1st 3 months) and Rafa had a good draw!

Velvetcat
04-16-2006, 09:14 AM
Then don't say anything if you won't back up your opinion. I Just asked a simple question. Why do you think Rafa has a tougher draw. 'Just because' is no response. And my comment on rigged draws was in response to texasgirl who posted on the Rafa fan page message board that that draws are fixed and there is nothing random about them.
I didn't say "just because", lol. I simply said a discussion would be of no benefit; a case of those who see it do, those who don't won't... And I'm well aware your rigged comment was in response to another post. I felt like inserting my opinion. But you're right, it's probably not a good idea to comment when you have no intention of or interest in, explaining your reasons. One of the many reasons I don't post much I guess.

MariaV
04-16-2006, 09:19 AM
Will Marat even be playing? And Haas? I'm almost sure Haas won't. And I'm not too sure about Marat. :scared: :unsure:

veyonce
04-16-2006, 09:52 AM
Looks like Safin & Haas are out of Monte Carlo... Gasquet has already pulled out with abdomen injury...

Allez
04-16-2006, 10:23 AM
Maybe Ady R can ask for a wildcard. He needs the points.

David Kenzie
04-16-2006, 10:33 AM
Maybe Ady R can ask for a wildcard. He needs the points.
All players who have a high enough ranking are automatically entered in Masters Series events. Roddick was on the list but chose to withdraw.

Allez
04-16-2006, 10:40 AM
All players who have a high enough ranking are automatically entered in Masters Series events. Roddick was on the list but chose to withdraw.

I know that. What I was saying is that perhaps he could change his mind and ask for a wild card since he didn't get very far in Houston. The only way he could re-enter now is through a WC. He may as well play every clay event from here on out as he's likely to last until the 3rd round so it won't be taxing on his body lol...

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-16-2006, 10:41 AM
Looks like Safin & Haas are out of Monte Carlo...
Eh?

MariaV
04-16-2006, 10:47 AM
Marat is supposed to play. :D
So the ankle injury doesn't seem to be serious. :D

David Kenzie
04-16-2006, 10:48 AM
I know that. What I was saying is that perhaps he could change his mind and ask for a wild card since he didn't get very far in Houston. The only way he could re-enter now is through a WC. He may as well play every clay event from here on out as he's likely to last until the 3rd round so it won't be taxing on his body lol... All the WC have been given already and the draw has been made, so it is impossible.

But my point was I don't think it is possible to give a WC to someone who withdrew from the entry list. Maybe I am wrong though ?

David Kenzie
04-16-2006, 10:48 AM
Marat is supposed to play. :D
So the ankle injury doesn't seem to be serious. :D
I hope you are right !

Ferrero Forever
04-16-2006, 10:53 AM
I don't like the draw one bit. All my faves have got it tough.

Hank777
04-16-2006, 10:59 AM
(7) GAUDIO, Gaston ARG v HENMAN, Tim GBR
Tim is NOT going to drop anything, not even a set, I say he can do it, clay or not TIM shall prevail :worship:

In the event he shouldn't than he's saving it for the FRENCH OPEN. :worship:

Action Jackson
04-16-2006, 11:03 AM
But my point was I don't think it is possible to give a WC to someone who withdrew from the entry list. Maybe I am wrong though ?

After dickhead has pissed on the tournament for the past few years, they won't give him a WC and thay have all been allocated.

mer
04-16-2006, 11:04 AM
Marat is supposed to play. :D
So the ankle injury doesn't seem to be serious. :D

but what about fever? If he's ill, does he have enough time to recover and be 100% healthy?

uNIVERSE mAN
04-16-2006, 11:15 AM
Very interesting draw, I'd have to say Nadal has a tough draw for once. I would LOVE to see a Safin vs. Nadal game, as everyone would. However, Safin will have to get past Coria.

I'm curious to see how Coria will be playing, after he's been out for awhile. Coria is a SERIOUS threat on clay, and the only person who really challenged Nadal last year. It would be nice to see Coria back on form, and I'd be just as happy to see a Nadal vs. Coria as I would Nadal vs. Safin. They are both great match ups.

Ahh, i'm looking forward to this TMS. It's going to be great, as long as there are no 1st, 2nd round losses.

If a challenger player Almagro can easily hang with Safin and then beat him wtf do you think Nadal will do to him?

Natasha2005
04-16-2006, 12:27 PM
Dont be foolish!

Its a totally different ballgame. Look how Federer had trouble with Nadal but Blake Kicks Nadals butt. Then think about how Federer kicks James Butt.

Another EX: Hewitt has won all his matches with Nadal yet Fed kicks Hewitts butt but has trouble with Nadal.

You cannot judge how one player will do against the other by looking at how they perform against a differert opponent. Its a totally different ball game.

ITS ALL ABOUT THE MATCHUPS

mer
04-16-2006, 12:41 PM
Dont be foolish!

Its a totally different ballgame. Look how Federer had trouble with Nadal but Blake Kicks Nadals butt. Then think about how Federer kicks James Butt.

Another EX: Hewitt has won all his matches with Nadal yet Fed kicks Hewitts butt but has trouble with Nadal.

You cannot judge how one player will do against the other by looking at how they perform against a differert opponent. Its a totally different ball game.

ITS ALL ABOUT THE MATCHUPS


if I added that Marat played with fever and in the end of the 3 set hurt his ankle wich probably took away his chance to win, apparently that would be called excuses. Ok, let it be excuses :shrug:

Natasha, don't waste your time arguing with uNIVERSE mAN. Judging from his posts re safin it seems he'll be more than happy only when Marat retires.

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-16-2006, 12:56 PM
Natasha, don't waste your time arguing with uNIVERSE mAN. Judging from his posts re safin it seems he'll be more than happy only when Marat retires.
We should protect and cherish uNIVERSE mAN. He's probably the sole anti-Safin troll on MTF. He's lonely out here.

mer
04-16-2006, 01:06 PM
We should protect and cherish uNIVERSE mAN. He's probably the sole anti-Safin troll on MTF. He's lonely out here.

:lol: you are right! Though sometimes it seems to me that uNIVERSE mAN is the most desperate and devoted Safin's fan... deep inside. :p

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-16-2006, 01:20 PM
:lol: you are right! Though sometimes it seems to me that uNIVERSE mAN is the most desperate and devoted Safin's fan... deep inside. :p
LOL true. Hey uNIVERSE mAN, it's okay to be a Safin fan! It's not a crime, or sin, or a bad habit. You don't have to repress it so much!

mangoes
04-16-2006, 02:03 PM
Marat is supposed to play. :D
So the ankle injury doesn't seem to be serious. :D


Good to hear.........I hope you're right! :D

mickymouse
04-16-2006, 02:17 PM
Marat is supposed to play. :D
So the ankle injury doesn't seem to be serious. :D

Good news. He's in arguably some of the more interesting matches in this tournament.

David Kenzie
04-16-2006, 06:22 PM
The qualies have been placed:
Federer - Djokovic :eek:
Rochus C - Bailleret
Simon - Gabashvili
Mahut - Starace
Hernych - Benneteau
Korolev - Stepanek
Di Mauro - Wawrinka

ChloeLove
04-16-2006, 06:28 PM
If a challenger player Almagro can easily hang with Safin and then beat him wtf do you think Nadal will do to him?
Tennis doesn't work that way . . . and Safin has been wanting to play Nadal for a long time. You have a point, but who knows, maybe Almagro can challenge Nadal? You can never tell until they actually play.

rofe
04-16-2006, 06:40 PM
The qualies have been placed:
Federer - Djokovic :eek:
Rochus C - Bailleret
Simon - Gabashvili
Mahut - Starace
Hernych - Benneteau
Korolev - Stepanek
Di Mauro - Wawrinka

How good is Djokovic on clay?

Sjengster
04-16-2006, 06:46 PM
Well, he did wax Ginepri 0, 0 and 2 in the opening round of RG last year... more pertinently, he took the first set off Coria in the next round before having to retire with an injury in the third.

Merton
04-16-2006, 06:51 PM
How good is Djokovic on clay?

He is good but i don't think he is a threat at the moment. Still, Roger tends to be sloppy on opening rounds and this is worse than Rusedski was last year.

rofe
04-16-2006, 06:57 PM
Well, he did wax Ginepri 0, 0 and 2 in the opening round of RG last year... more pertinently, he took the first set off Coria in the next round before having to retire with an injury in the third.

Giving Ginepri a beatdown on clay is not saying much but it is definitely interesting that he was able to take a set off Coria.


He is good but i don't think he is a threat at the moment. Still, Roger tends to be sloppy on opening rounds and this is worse than Rusedski was last year.


Yeah that is the danger for Roger especially on clay. That is why I am surprised when people predict a Fed-Nadal final.

mangoes
04-16-2006, 07:00 PM
He is good but i don't think he is a threat at the moment. Still, Roger tends to be sloppy on opening rounds and this is worse than Rusedski was last year.

Roger's history of sloppy opening rounds is what worries me about this match-up............ :(

uNIVERSE mAN
04-16-2006, 08:36 PM
The draw still isn't up on the official website, talk about bush league tournament.

Yappa
04-16-2006, 08:37 PM
They dont even have an own site. Its part of the Masters Series site. Well at least theres a live sb.

uNIVERSE mAN
04-16-2006, 08:44 PM
LOL true. Hey uNIVERSE mAN, it's okay to be a Safin fan! It's not a crime, or sin, or a bad habit. You don't have to repress it so much!

eh? Safin fan? that's a laugh. A F'n giant tennis player with ridiculous skills who can crush people like a grape when he's on (which is about twice a year). Who can cheer for a guy who has the ability to lose to a high school player.

DrJules
04-16-2006, 09:26 PM
Roger's history of sloppy opening rounds is what worries me about this match-up............ :(

How many 1st round defeats has Roger had in the last 2 years ? :scratch:

stebs
04-16-2006, 09:44 PM
How many 1st round defeats has Roger had in the last 2 years ? :scratch:
I agree the only blips on Federer's first round record since the beggining of 2005 are a third set tie break against Minar in the opening round of Dubai '05. And a three setter against Soderling at Halle. I guess you could include Clemet this year but that was an easy victory despite the loss of a set. Other than that all his first round matches since Doha '05 have been straight sets.

Andre♥
04-16-2006, 09:48 PM
Djokovic is good and Federer may not be onfire, but the swiss will end up winning in two difficult sets (vs Wawrinka in dubai) or in three sets with the their being rather easy (vs Clement in Miami).

Allez
04-16-2006, 11:04 PM
Novak is a serious threat :mad: :mad: :mad:

revolution
04-16-2006, 11:13 PM
Just got to hope Nole can push Roger hard in this one, and that, like the other young guns have done, put in a respectable performance.

Andy, well, with all the goings on, Lisnard will be relishing the match. Still Andy will win, then see above for Nadal in round two.

ezekiel
04-16-2006, 11:19 PM
How many 1st round defeats has Roger had in the last 2 years ? :scratch:

I think he means Roger doesn't usually bagel his opponents early and often but rather later on :devil:

Blue Orange
04-16-2006, 11:26 PM
eh? Safin fan? that's a laugh. A F'n giant tennis player with ridiculous skills who can crush people like a grape when he's on (which is about twice a year). Who can cheer for a guy who has the ability to lose to a high school player.

Perhaps because some people like tennis players for reasons other than how many trophies they win?

Alexiana
04-16-2006, 11:37 PM
Haas withdraws

hanabishi
04-17-2006, 03:59 AM
Here is the draw breakdown by country:
France - 10 players
Spain - 8
Russia - 7
Italy - 6
Argentina - 5
Belgium - 4
Czech Republic - 3
United Kingdom - 3
Chile - 2
Croatia - 2
Monaco - 2 (This is the first time I've seen a "MON" beside a player's name)
Serbia and Montenegro - 2
Switzerland - 2
Belarus - 1
Finland - 1
Germany - 1
Peru - 1
Romania - 1
Slovak Republic - 1
Sweden - 1
Thailand - 1

OK, here's a trivia question for everyone (since I don't know the answer myself). When was the last major tournament (Masters Series or Grand Slam) where there were ZERO Americans in the draw?

There aren't any Americans in the doubles draw or qualifying draw either. Weird huh?

LaTenista
04-17-2006, 04:03 AM
There aren't any Americans in the doubles draw or qualifying draw either. Weird huh?

It's just plain :o

It's as if all the American guys have decided they can't play on clay and have given up trying. :rolleyes:

gsm
04-17-2006, 04:17 AM
I agree the only blips on Federer's first round record since the beggining of 2005 are a third set tie break against Minar in the opening round of Dubai '05. And a three setter against Soderling at Halle.
for what it matters fed faced MP's in the 1st rd v minar and 2nd rd v ferrero @ dubai...

tangerine_dream
04-17-2006, 04:33 AM
After dickhead has pissed on the tournament for the past few years, they won't give him a WC and thay have all been allocated.
:haha: So much bitterness.

It's just plain :o
It's as if all the American guys have decided they can't play on clay and have given up trying. :rolleyes:
I think it might have something to do with the fact that they've all been playing straight for several weeks now and would like to take a break and go back home to their families for a bit. The clay season is long and MC perhaps starts too soon for them to be ready. Usually when Rome rolls around, they are ready.

I liken it to the same reason as to why many high-ranked European players do not show up to play the US Open Series until it gets to Montreal; it's a long season and I'm sure they would rather use the extra time to relax at home than bar hop around the US and Canada.

Deboogle!.
04-17-2006, 04:40 AM
After dickhead has pissed on the tournament for the past few years, they won't give him a WC and thay have all been allocated.I realize you dislike him but is it necessary to be so derogatory?

Anyway, he wouldn't want a WC. He knew the draw before he pulled out. If he were thinking of playing he would have just waited til after that match to make up his mind. He never had intentions to play so he'd never ask for a WC anyway. So don't worry. I know how sad you all are to not have the opportunity to rejoice in another bad early loss of his on clay though. But don't worry guys, Rome will be here soon enough and he will make up for it this year by losing a lot in Dusseldorf - 3 guaranteed matches after all :)

It always fascinates and amazes me how these guys aren't even playing and yet they still dominate the conversation :yeah: viva MTF :rocker2:

Tangy, it's also been suggested that there are actually other specific reasons why they have problems with that tournament and don't care to play. I don't know how true that is or what the specifics are, but it would explain why some of them just NEVER Show up. I mean, if they were so afraid of the icky slow clay, it'd be Hamburg they'd skip, not Monte Carlo, where the conditions are far worse for them. But I mean, that'd be logical, so forget that here :)

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-17-2006, 04:47 AM
No one plays all 9 masters events so Andy is just taking time off when he feels its best. Even Federer and Nadal miss masters events.

tangerine_dream
04-17-2006, 04:48 AM
It always fascinates and amazes me how these guys aren't even playing and yet they still dominate the conversation :yeah: viva MTF :rocker2:
Fascinating still that said people always smirk and brag about how the Americans are useless on clay but when the Americans don't show up to play on clay, they're insulted. :p

Tangy, it's also been suggested that there are actually other specific reasons why they have problems with that tournament and don't care to play. I don't know how true that is or what the specifics are, but it would explain why some of them just NEVER Show up. I mean, if they were so afraid of the icky slow clay, it'd be Hamburg they'd skip, not Monte Carlo, where the conditions are far worse for them. But I mean, that'd be logical, so forget that here :)
I've heard rumors about such problems too, on a more personal level, but I still wish someone knew for sure what it was. I mean, didn't Ginepri, Spadea and the Bryans go to MC last year? Now this year *nobody's* going? What happened the last time that suddenly convinced everybody to not bother going?

Deboogle!.
04-17-2006, 04:58 AM
I've heard rumors about such problems too, on a more personal level, but I still wish someone knew for sure what it was. I mean, didn't Ginepri, Spadea and the Bryans go to MC last year? Now this year *nobody's* going? What happened the last time that convinced the Americans not to go?Who knows. It's their business and like I said I don't know if it's true, but it'd explain a lot. The Bryans play sometimes (they made the MC final last year), so I don't know what goes into their thought process when they decide. Was Robby's ranking even high enough to get direct entry last year? I don't remember. And Spadea's ranking isn't high enough this year. Goldie would've gotten in off the ALT list but he apparently thought it was a better idea to go to Bermuda and be the #1 seed there, a much much easier trip and whatnot after he made it deep in Houston.

Well regardless, prior years have been different because Houston came before Monte Carlo. Not so this year and I think from now on, but these guys refuse to give up Houston so they're obviously not gonna make that extra trans-atlantic trip. They've been playing a lot, they see it as an opportunity to get their first semi-extended break for the first time all season - 3 weeks off at home is a really big deal to ANY of these guys. So they're like, well I don't love the tournament, I can ease into the clay at Houston and stay at home for a couple weeks and not have to deal with such a quick turnaround and jetlag and stuff, and just show up in Rome. I mean it'd be nice if they played but at the end of the day I doubt very much that it would alter their clay results if they were to start playing.

I said it in the Andy forum - I'd much rather they come over the week before Rome and play one of the smaller events. They'd still get 2 weeks off but would have a good chance of winning a match or two and wouldn't have to deal with a huge block of time in europe or another transatlantic trip home.

And like I said, if they were so averse to the clay itself, it'd be Hamburg that they'd want to skip. So obviously there are other reasons that go into it. Like I said, it stinks, but I don't see what the discussion is. I mean I get why fans of those players talk about it, because we want them to play and we scrutinize their decisions and whatever, but the people who don't like them and are HAPPY they don't have to see them play, it just makes me laugh that the discussions about it still go on for pages - as you said, if they were there they'd be pissed they got on tv and took time away from someone else or something, but if they don't play they get called names and stuff. heeeeelarious.

Daniel
04-17-2006, 05:23 AM
Vamos Roger :bigclap:

artlinkletter
04-17-2006, 05:46 AM
No one plays all 9 masters events so Andy is just taking time off when he feels its best. Even Federer and Nadal miss masters events.
I believe Ljubicic played all nine last year.
Edit: So did Davydenko.

Allez
04-17-2006, 07:06 AM
Goldie would've gotten in off the ALT list but he apparently thought it was a better idea to go to Bermuda and be the #1 seed there, a much much easier trip and whatnot after he made it deep in Houston.


Erm :scratch: MC is a Masters event. It's never a good idea to skip it for a no name event.


Well regardless, prior years have been different because Houston came before Monte Carlo. Not so this year and I think from now on, but these guys refuse to give up Houston so they're obviously not gonna make that extra trans-atlantic trip.


Erm :scratch: Houston still comes before MC. Only problem is that the finalists in Houston would have to hit the skies right after the final to be ready for Monday's action. Haas was prepared to do this. Why aren't any of the Americans, some of whom haven't a chance in hell of reaching the Houston finals anyway ?:shrug:


They've been playing a lot, they see it as an opportunity to get their first semi-extended break for the first time all season - 3 weeks off at home is a really big deal to ANY of these guys.


No more than any other guys on the tour. What's so special about them ?


So they're like, well I don't love the tournament, I can ease into the clay at Houston and stay at home for a couple weeks and not have to deal with such a quick turnaround and jetlag and stuff, and just show up in Rome. I mean it'd be nice if they played but at the end of the day I doubt very much that it would alter their clay results if they were to start playing.


Not only is this disrespecful to one of the biggest tournaments around but this attitude certainly shows what poor work ethic some of these guys have.


I said it in the Andy forum - I'd much rather they come over the week before Rome and play one of the smaller events. They'd still get 2 weeks off but would have a good chance of winning a match or two and wouldn't have to deal with a huge block of time in europe or another transatlantic trip home.


This is a reasonable argument. I think of everything you've said so far, this makes the most sense.



And like I said, if they were so averse to the clay itself, it'd be Hamburg that they'd want to skip.


Erm...Hamburg is the closest to RG, so if they wish to make any dent at all in Paris (like winning the first round or two), they'd better have some practice and though the surface is perhaps the slowest of any red dirt event, Hamburg is the ideal place to tune up for the French.


So obviously there are other reasons that go into it. Like I said, it stinks, but I don't see what the discussion is.


I don't know if it's so obvious. Anyway why don't you come out and tell us what this REASON is that keeps ALL American players away from one tournament ? It's just crazy to even suggest such a thing.


I mean I get why fans of those players talk about it, because we want them to play and we scrutinize their decisions and whatever, but the people who don't like them and are HAPPY they don't have to see them play, it just makes me laugh that the discussions about it still go on for pages - as you said, if they were there they'd be pissed they got on tv and took time away from someone else or something, but if they don't play they get called names and stuff. heeeeelarious.

Perhaps if the American players are in the draw then the likelihood of one's favourites making it deep into the tournament increases tenfold. I'd rather Roger faced Mardy Fish than Novak Djokovic in the 1st round. I'd rather Henman faced Andy Roddick rather than Gaudio in the 1st round. Also it'd be nice if Andy M faced James Blake in the 2nd round instead of Rafael.

Anyway I'm just trying to illustrate a point. I do like the American players (aside from Fish) esp Agassi (one of my time favourites) Blake and Andy, so I'm not a hater.

Broomie
04-17-2006, 08:07 AM
I mean I get why fans of those players talk about it, because we want them to play and we scrutinize their decisions and whatever, but the people who don't like them and are HAPPY they don't have to see them play, it just makes me laugh that the discussions about it still go on for pages - as you said, if they were there they'd be pissed they got on tv and took time away from someone else or something, but if they don't play they get called names and stuff. heeeeelarious.
If I remember correctly, Roddick is a Top 5 player, and Blake Top 10. So it's normal that people talk about them. Everytime popular players or high ranked players are missing it is normal to wonder why. And also because of the DC tie, a lot of people must have thought that they would do a little more on clay this year. But obviously, i understand that it is very far for them, and the clay-grass season is quite long, so if they can "steal" a couple of weeks, why not? I mean, it's their business and their ranking.
My only problem is some posters are sometimes just a little bit too... "angry", even when i agree with them. Those guys are professional, not 10% of us sitting in front of our computer could compete all those weeks non-stop, and behave like little angels all year long.

uNIVERSE mAN
04-17-2006, 09:58 PM
they still didn't bother to post the draw! can you believe this?? a masters series event!

Billabong
04-18-2006, 01:31 AM
Interesting draw:yeah: GO FED:bounce:!!!

megadeth
04-18-2006, 02:15 AM
Fed has a tough draw actually.. lots of clay court experts are looming in the next rounds:

rd2: martin
rd3: grosjean/ verdasco
qf: ferrero/ chela/ ferrer
sf: davydenko/ moya/ gonzalez
f: nalbandian/ nadal/ safin/ coria (?)

bellascarlett
04-18-2006, 02:55 AM
I don't know if it's so obvious. Anyway why don't you come out and tell us what this REASON is that keeps ALL American players away from one tournament ? It's just crazy to even suggest such a thing.


exactly...just spill...:p

drf716
04-18-2006, 10:23 AM
go marat!