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Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 05:32 PM
Well looks like the afternoon matches will luck out a little - it's stayed warmer later than it was supposed to. It's still over 70 and the humidity is WAY down so it should be pretty nice conditions (maybe a little cool and breezy but at least not hot and humid)

half hour to go!

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:06 PM
yikes where is everyone? We're about to begin!

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 06:11 PM
no one cares about this match :o
the fun is all gone

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:12 PM
some of us care :)

Aurora
11-13-2003, 06:14 PM
Rainer'd better máke us care and not start like this!

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 06:15 PM
2-0 Duck
a duck win would be good for Carlos :)

a 2 set win even better

MisterQ
11-13-2003, 06:15 PM
Did you see that slice backhand passing shot from Andy? not bad

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:15 PM
WOW That slice! :eek:

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:16 PM
not bad? That was great! Nice touch!

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 06:17 PM
now season is effectively over

only thing that matters is Carlos making it out of this group.

MisterQ
11-13-2003, 06:18 PM
I get a kick out of slice passing shots like that. Do you remember Agassi's down the line slice on the run in the first point of the 3rd set tiebreak against Federer on Monday? Awesome!

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:18 PM
yeah... good stuff!

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:19 PM
ouch! Andy be nice lol

Love seeing him come to the net more!

MisterQ
11-13-2003, 06:22 PM
Rainer thinks none of us know what "Scheisse" means, lol! better watch what you mumble, rainer.

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:26 PM
LOL!! He forgets that English took a lot from German I guess ;)

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 06:30 PM
ermmmmmmm should Shittler be Scheissler instead :tape:

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:30 PM
haha that point was wild.

And do they really need to show Mandy every 4.3 seconds?

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:35 PM
nice game Andy :rolleyes:

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 06:37 PM
Carlos better win today, nothing else

Carlos, you dare not be anything other than yourself, leave Careless Moya at home :mad:

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:39 PM
ugh nice miss of that shot :rolleyes:

MisterQ
11-13-2003, 06:42 PM
Scheissler, lol!

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:43 PM
ok now let's HOLD serve this time!

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:44 PM
omg Andre is STILL doing Canon commercials? That's both hilarious and great at the same time lol.

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 06:49 PM
shit! Prickler won the first set. he got lucky. :fiery:

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 06:49 PM
Andy wins first set 6-4

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:50 PM
Right Andy got soooooo lucky. God that argument is SO friggin old.

MisterQ
11-13-2003, 06:50 PM
Rainer sort of gave that set away at the end. Hope the quality of tennis picks up a bit.

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:51 PM
yes, agreed. Hopefully! as long as it's Andy's quality ;)

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 06:55 PM
Damn this is an ugly match so far.

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 06:56 PM
Andy is playing pretty badly. He's lucky that Rainer is also playing badly.

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:56 PM
yea.... too many errors. Andy's serving currently at 69%, he should be running away with the match lol

and damnit I have to go in 15 min. :mad:

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 06:58 PM
I love the way Rainer makes "easy" winners. He moves so quick around the court and just takes advantage of angles and openings very quickly. Roddick on the other hand has to stop, bend down, look all constipated, make fish faces, take a big windup and use power. He looks very stiff.

KarstenBraasch#1
11-13-2003, 06:58 PM
The match is bad and boring. :(

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:58 PM
Ah! Mardy's commentating! :)

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 06:59 PM
I guess schuettler brings out the worst in people lolo. certainly didn't bring out the best in coria either.

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 07:04 PM
Rainer looks so nice at the net against "let me just hope you will miss the volley" Roddick.

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 07:05 PM
I guess schuettler brings out the worst in people lolo. certainly didn't bring out the best in coria either.

anybody that brings out the worst in Roddick or Coria the brat is my new favorite. :devil:

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 07:05 PM
any match with Rainer is boring
not that hard to figure out.

Hewitt is boring but Rainer is 10 times worse.

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 07:06 PM
yea that last serve-and-volley point was so bad :rolleyes:

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 07:07 PM
Such a boring match. There's no wattage. Andy is playing too defensively. He needs to go for his shots more by penetrating more with his grounstrokes. A lot of his shots are landing short.

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 07:07 PM
never mind.. he's giving the rest away. Maybe it's good I'm leaving lol

MisterQ
11-13-2003, 07:09 PM
Bad tennis. Former Pres. George H. W. Bush should get up and walk out in protest.

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 07:16 PM
yes that's it andy. act like a whiny baby and throw a fit every time you miss a shot cuz against Rainer it is gonna happen cuz he is gonna make you play unlike most guys who will fall into the trap of overhitting against you.

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 07:16 PM
One word: lethargy

MisterQ
11-13-2003, 07:20 PM
The chair should ask the crowd not to SNORE during points!

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 07:23 PM
Seems as though Layla's point about the day matches is right, they're all extraordinarily bad. I wonder if it is all about the weather, or else the match-ups don't produce good tennis...

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 07:23 PM
schuettler has won a high % of pts at the net and made many clean winners and yet these biased ESPN commentators cannot say even one nice thing about him. but andy makes one awkward volley winner and they have orgasms. :rolleyes:

star
11-13-2003, 07:24 PM
It's all so unfair. :)

star
11-13-2003, 07:25 PM
I just want it to be over soon so I might have a chance ot see a little bit of Coria before I have to leave for work.

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 07:30 PM
Rainer's drop shots are almost always perfect disguised and timed. so many times his opponents cannot even move to them. and he is lovely in his volleying in the sense that he knows when to come in. :worship:

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 07:30 PM
noooooooooo! not coria. MOYA please kick his cheatin' ass!

MisterQ
11-13-2003, 07:32 PM
Rainer's drop shots are almost always perfect disguised and timed. so many times his opponents cannot even move to them. and he is lovely in his volleying in the sense that he knows when to come in. :worship:

Note that Cliff, Pat and Mary acknowledged this.

MisterQ
11-13-2003, 07:36 PM
Nice passing shot from Schuettler.

star
11-13-2003, 07:39 PM
Booooo Andy for not closing this out quickly.

I won't get to see any Gui today. :(

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 07:40 PM
Rainer takes second set :D

snoop
11-13-2003, 07:40 PM
:bounce: :bounce:

mach ihn nass :banana:

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 07:40 PM
Note that Cliff, Pat and Mary acknowledged this.

mary is giving him credit. Pat and Cliff only begrudgingly. ;)

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 07:42 PM
Yes this match is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO horrible. :rolleyes: Rainer has more winners than errors. and more winners than Rodprick.

MisterQ
11-13-2003, 07:43 PM
mary is giving him credit. Pat and Cliff only begrudgingly. ;)

True, fair enough. She's the most objective in most cases.

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 07:45 PM
Both are missing *easy* shots.

Layla
11-13-2003, 07:49 PM
Seems as though Layla's point about the day matches is right, they're all extraordinarily bad. I wonder if it is all about the weather, or else the match-ups don't produce good tennis...

Actually this one isn't bad at all, I'm pleased to say. It started off really badly and the same thought crossed my mind, but then Rainer started playing better and there have been quite a number of brilliant points, though still quite a few really bad mistakes as well.

All in all, I'm quite enjoying this, especially not that we're into the third set. :p

star
11-13-2003, 07:51 PM
Yea Andy!!! Why couldn't you have done that in the second set??

star
11-13-2003, 07:51 PM
:sensing that Layla's enjoyment level might have gone down a notch:

Layla
11-13-2003, 07:53 PM
:sensing that Layla's enjoyment level might have gone down a notch:

Was just about to post that. ;)

Go Rainer
11-13-2003, 07:55 PM
Come on Rainer!!!!

martinatreue
11-13-2003, 08:03 PM
Boy Rainer gets andy's serves back so deep and precise better than anyone!!! he breaks back!

Layla
11-13-2003, 08:05 PM
Well, well, well, Rainer broke back! :bounce:

GO RAINER!!! http://www.mainzelahr.de/smile/no-smilie/RaRaRa.gifhttp://www.mainzelahr.de/smile/no-smilie/RaRaRa.gifhttp://www.mainzelahr.de/smile/no-smilie/RaRaRa.gif

Layla
11-13-2003, 08:06 PM
I know what you mean about Rainer's volleys, martinatreue. :)

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 08:26 PM
Roddick with 10 aces to 7 doubles... and his first serve percentage has dropped to 54. Mind you, 1 ace to 3 doubles ain't terrific from Schuettler either.

jtipson
11-13-2003, 08:40 PM
come on Rainer, keep up the 100% record of the German-speakers in this tournament, will you?

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 08:45 PM
oh great Carlos is in deep shit now

he has to win in two sets

jtipson
11-13-2003, 08:45 PM
Well done Herr S!

snoop
11-13-2003, 08:45 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo:

Super Rainer :bounce:


4-6 7-6 7-6 :D

Layla
11-13-2003, 08:46 PM
WOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!

YEEEEESSSS!!!

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

I can't believe he did it, this just made my day. Congratulations Rainer! Well done indeed! :worship:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 08:47 PM
Yippee!!! What do ESPN have to say about Schuettler now, eh? Good, now at least Roddick will have to fight for his survival rather than breeze through to the semis.

Shadow
11-13-2003, 08:48 PM
RAINER :bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::b ounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bou nce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 08:48 PM
It's the no. 1 curse, isn't it? Get there and then lose your next match... well, Roddick did win against Bjorkman in Paris after he got the top spot for the first time, but his success didn't last long.

*Ljubica*
11-13-2003, 08:51 PM
Congrats Rainer - you have made me sooooo happy :worship:

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 08:51 PM
Carlos even two wins might not be enough now :(

come on Carlos :)

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 09:06 PM
Credit to ATPTennis.com, they've updated the Roddick result already - although, poor blokes, they just can't accept that Schuettler now has three wins this year over Roddick and have stated exactly the opposite in the main paragraph. LOL!

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 09:10 PM
lol!

congrats Rainer, you fully deserve to win that match

Jorge
11-13-2003, 09:14 PM
well done Rainer! :)

Good luck Carlitos!!! :bounce:

jtipson
11-13-2003, 09:16 PM
Yeah Sjengster, I noticed that too:
"Roddick has won all three meetings between the pair in 2003. "

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 09:18 PM
What are you talking about? In the first sentence it says clearly, "His third straight win over Roddick."

Take a remedial reading class. ;)

And get some 20-20 vision, would you?

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 09:20 PM
Coria and Moya have begun, BTW - 15-15 on Mini-Moya's serve.

Layla
11-13-2003, 09:23 PM
Moya and Mini-Moya... I'd forgotten about that.

Go Carlos!!!

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 09:31 PM
Safe to say this is going to be a match of longer points than the last one - they've been going 11 minutes and they're still in Moya's first service game, they've both missed breakpoints.

KarstenBraasch#1
11-13-2003, 09:33 PM
Moya should work on his forehand.

Eggy, why do you like him so much ?

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 09:36 PM
Could it be because Moya's favourite player when he was growing up was apparently Edberg, whom TBE idolises so much? Weird, considering that he plays nothing like him. Henman, on the other hand, very definitely modelled his game on Edberg, and look what that did for his standing in TBE's eyes...

KarstenBraasch#1
11-13-2003, 09:39 PM
Well you could compare Carlos' forehand to Stefan's. ;) :haha:

Layla
11-13-2003, 09:40 PM
Well, Magnus also idolised Edberg, yet Eggy doesn't care about him. ;) Just my two cents in. :p

Oh Carlos, what are you doing? :sad:

Layla
11-13-2003, 09:48 PM
Actually, Carlos is easy to like. He's downright worshipped in Umag, you can feel the love for him in the air. And I don't mean women who have the hots for him. Everyone adores him.

On the other hand, he is extremely difficult to support and cheer for, because he is one of the most frustrating players in existence. And unfortunately, today he is proving it over and over again. :rolleyes:

Cut those unforced errors, Carlos, they're not cute!

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 09:57 PM
Carlos got a code violation for supposedly aiming at a ball boy who called a DF on him.

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 10:01 PM
Carlos loses first set 2-6. Slew of unforced errors...

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:01 PM
Was Moya just knocked out of the TMC, then? Because the first set has gone, 6-2 to Coria...

Jorge
11-13-2003, 10:04 PM
If Carlos loses, then Shüttler is "in" and Rodduck beating Coria will be "in" as well :mad:

come on Carlos, awake!!!! plz!

Ma. Estefania
11-13-2003, 10:16 PM
Sigue Guille! :bounce:

Ma. Estefania
11-13-2003, 10:20 PM
2-1 :)

Jorge
11-13-2003, 10:26 PM
The only way to oust Rodduck is if there is a triple tie because I don't see Coria beating Roddick, no sir, soooo vamos Carles!!!

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:27 PM
And now 3-1 - it had to come sooner or later, he was putting so much pressure on Moya's service games. Take a look at this breakpoint conversion rate: Coria 3/10, Moya 0/1.

Ma. Estefania
11-13-2003, 10:27 PM
3-1 for Guille now....Carlos serving. :)

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:28 PM
Coria serving, actually.

Ma. Estefania
11-13-2003, 10:28 PM
Kudos to the argentines there at the stands. :yeah:

Jorge
11-13-2003, 10:29 PM
mmm seems that Roddick and Schuttler are going to qualify in this group :rolleyes:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:30 PM
I'm still holding out hope that Coria can win this one and then beat Roddick somehow tomorrow. After all, he has very similar strengths to Schuettler and he's obviously playing much better now than in his first match.

Ma. Estefania
11-13-2003, 10:30 PM
Marvellous forehand Coria. :bounce:

Jorge
11-13-2003, 10:31 PM
I am not as optimistic as you, Sjengster, Me thinks that Roddick won't have too many problems vs Coria :mad:

RogiFan88
11-13-2003, 10:33 PM
I'm still holding out hope that Coria can win this one and then beat Roddick somehow tomorrow. After all, he has very similar strengths to Schuettler and he's obviously playing much better now than in his first match.

That w be my wish...

Carlos might as well lose and start preparing for DC, like Juanqui... oops, never thought I'd be saying that since I really wanted both to do well in Houston but now I'm overwhelmingly cheering for my guy, Rogi!

Pandy is NOT playing that well so there's always that chance that Coria can beat him...

Ma. Estefania
11-13-2003, 10:34 PM
he's obviously playing much better now than in his first match.

Yes, I guess it was the "debut" matter that also affected him a bit, but anyway a match against Roddick won't be easy....Roddick probably will be much more agressive against Coria due the fact he's playing his ticket for semis.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:38 PM
Good point, he'll certainly be determined - but then Coria doesn't mind stepping up to the plate in a big match like that either. It all depends on whether he can step up his returns against the big serves, you wouldn't think he could judging from the losses to Ljubicic, Verkerk and Mirnyi this year, all in straight sets (he didn't have a single breakpoint against the Beast, I recall).

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 10:38 PM
If Roddick plays like the way he did today, Coria would have a great chance to beat him. If Roddick gets his serves on, it's gonna be tough for Coria since he seems to usually have problems against big servers.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:39 PM
Roddick will certainly be more on with his service game than Moya is - he's getting outaced 2-1 by Coria, who also has no double faults to Moya's 2.

Layla
11-13-2003, 10:40 PM
Has anyone noticed that almost everyone has had two very contrasting performances. Those who sucked in the first match were great in the next and vice versa? It's almost inexplicable, but very close to a hard and fast rule.

Carlos played so well against Roddick and look at him now.

Coria was dying out there the first day and look at him now.

Quite unbelievable, really. :confused:

The same goes for Ferrero, Nalbandian, Roddick, Rainer (to a degree) ... I suppose Agassi and Federer are the only exceptions.

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 10:40 PM
This has to be the most unforced errors I've ever seen Carlos make.

Jorge
11-13-2003, 10:40 PM
Pandy is NOT playing that well so there's always that chance that Coria can beat him...
agree, he is not playing that well, but... Roddick "cannot" be ousted before the final, wait and see, the machinery will work again: night session vs Coria, a noisy crowd, Bush cursing his rival, the linesman a bit blind, of course just if Andy needs it. hehehehe, Roddick will be in semifinals :rolleyes:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:41 PM
Agassi's been involved in two huge tussles and stayed fairly consistent, Federer's had two of the most contrasting matches you can imagine - but overall yes, his level of play can stay the same. But hey, there are so many variables: match-ups between different styles, mental pressure, conditions on the day etc...

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:42 PM
agree, he is not playing that well, but... Roddick "cannot" be ousted before the final, wait and see, the machinery will work again: night session vs Coria, a noisy crowd, Bush cursing his rival, the linesman a bit blind, of course just if Andy needs it. hehehehe, Roddick will be in semifinals :rolleyes:

I see your point, but it would be particularly ironic if Coria happened to be beaten because his opponent managed to influence the line judges unfairly... :o

Ma. Estefania
11-13-2003, 10:44 PM
I hope Nalbandián can apply to that "rule", Layla....but in his 3rd match given the fact he sucked against Roger.

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 10:44 PM
And Moya holds onto one more game...

Jorge
11-13-2003, 10:44 PM
I see your point, but it would be particularly ironic if Coria happened to be beaten because his opponent managed to influence the line judges unfairly... :o
hehe that's a good one ;)

Layla
11-13-2003, 10:46 PM
I hope Nalbandián can apply to that "rule", Layla....but in his 3rd match given the fact he sucked against Roger.

Well, I haven't discovered how that rule applies to the third match yet. ;) We'll see.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:47 PM
I thought he might wobble a little, but no problem: 40-0, three matchpoints...

Layla
11-13-2003, 10:47 PM
To be perfectly honest, the line calls did not favour the Americans at all so far. I can remember at least to highly crucial line calls that went against both Andre and Andy in their first matches.

Layla
11-13-2003, 10:48 PM
I thought he might wobble a little, but no problem: 40-0, three matchpoints...

You were saying? ;)

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:48 PM
LOL, I'm a jinxer par excellence. Deuce.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:49 PM
Four matchpoints down the pan - wonder what Roddick's thinking at the moment?

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:50 PM
Make that five matchpoints. Interesting...

Ma. Estefania
11-13-2003, 10:52 PM
6-2, 6-3 Match for Guille! :bounce:

God :embarassed: how much it hurted to see Coria losing against Schuettler.....he would be already "almost" in semis...

Good win, Guille :kiss: despite the match points lost....

Layla
11-13-2003, 10:52 PM
And it's all over. :mad:

Oh Carlos, what have you done? :sad:

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 10:52 PM
Well he did wobble a bit, but he manages to hold serve and win the match in straights.

Jorge
11-13-2003, 10:52 PM
well it's all over for Carles, after this result Rainer is in, and the remaining berth will be decided between Andy and Coria.
Sorry but I am not optimistic, Roddick will be in semifinals

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:53 PM
Took him six tries, but there you go. Pity for Moya, but at least Coria will be more motivated against Roddick tomorrow knowing that he has a chance to go through, whereas if he'd lost that match and known he was playing a dead rubber tomorrow I'm not sure he'd give 100%.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:54 PM
I'm just wondering, is it a coincidence that the two Spaniards in this field are the ones who are most likely to end up with the wooden spoon at the end of the round robin stages?

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 10:55 PM
It's how the cookie crumbles.

Jorge
11-13-2003, 10:57 PM
Good luck vs the aussies, Carlitos :) Buen Viaje a las antípodas :wavey:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 10:58 PM
It's how the cookie crumbles.

To combine metaphors, maybe Ferrero and Moya can catch their crumbling cookies in the wooden spoons that will be bestowed upon them.

Tricky_Forehand
11-13-2003, 11:29 PM
:worship: RAINER :worship:

I'm happy about the outcome of this match on so many levels. :yippee:.

Is it just me or did Rainer continue to get disrespected by ESPN after the match. What really cracks me up, and ticks me off at the same time, is that to listen to the "experts" Roddick was playing this great match to start by breaking Rainer BUT when Rainer broke back all of a sudden Roddick wasn't playing well after all. He was flat and this and that. Absolutely nothing to do with what Rainer was doing.

And what really got me :fiery: is that during the second set Rainer was hitting some awesome passing shots but what did I over hear the commentators talking about? Sampras and Roddick. They didn't even pause to point out the shot in replay but they were right there with a Roddick compliment even if he lost the shot :mad: .

What was Rainer in this match?? Window dressing???

I'm surprised that he went ahead and did the interview with ESPN. I saw him continuingly telling the off-camera person no but I'm guessing the threat of a fine probably changed his mind :rolleyes: . I won't be surprised if he refuses again and sticks to it next time though because no credit was given to him in the booth and, if I remember right, the parting words about the match were that Roddick shouldn't have lost to Rainer. Disrespecting him during the match but continuing that disrespect after seeing how he won was ridiculous :mad: .

So much for commentators being neutral. Not to mention the promoter showing his clear favorite by giving a standing ovation after the 1st set.
Now that I've finished venting :p I can get back to celebrating :D .

:clap2: :bigclap: :dance: :woohoo:

Tricky_Forehand
11-13-2003, 11:35 PM
:yippee: Guille :yippee:

:sad: Carlos :sad:

What happened to Carlos's game these last two matche? Guille played a good match but poor Carlos had a ridiculous amount of UEs. I was going to be sad for someone in this match but after how Carlos was playing I'm happy to see Guille with a chance at the SFs. Wouldn't this put a poor crinkle in plans for Rainer and Guille to play the spoilers. Not adding in my third choice. He still has to play tonight :D .

After yesterday being such misery with singles & doubles...today has been awesome!!

:worship: RAINER :worship: Onward to SFs!! :D
:yippee: GUILLE :yippee:

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 11:40 PM
that was a pretty pathetic effort if ever i saw one :mad:

Carlos played worse than i could have and i'm useless.

no way do i see Duck losing to the Squirming Weasel.

every call that was close he was complaining.

good luck Coria, he does possess potato-esqe qualities as well

Tricky_Forehand
11-13-2003, 11:51 PM
that was a pretty pathetic effort if ever i saw one :mad:

Carlos played worse than i could have and i'm useless.

no way do i see Duck losing to the Squirming Weasel.

every call that was close he was complaining.

good luck Coria, he does possess potato-esqe qualities as well

:haha: I like that. You don't see Guille "squirming weasel" beating Junior but you wish him good luck. Interesting :confused:

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 12:40 AM
does anybody think nalbandian will beat agassi?? :wavey:

Aurora
11-14-2003, 01:09 AM
I certainly hope so...

Aurora
11-14-2003, 01:18 AM
1-0 Agassi despite 5 breakpoints...

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 01:19 AM
this one could go the distance.......

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 01:20 AM
does anybody think nalbandian will beat agassi?? :wavey:

He definitely could.

But I hope he won't! GO ANDRE!

Aurora
11-14-2003, 01:21 AM
lol @ your avatar sparkyfenton, it's quite the screamer!

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 01:24 AM
LOL thankyou lilly.....no breaks yet, 2-1 agassi

Aurora
11-14-2003, 01:26 AM
bp's are flying around our ears and Andre seems more efficient 3-1

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 01:30 AM
he must hold an advantage over the other guys after the break/rest hes had, hes fittest guy out there to start with.

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 01:31 AM
4-1 now....this could be quick match

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 01:36 AM
u cannot be serious about the nalbandian shot called wide for the break to go 3-1...

the ball was clearly in !

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 01:36 AM
4-2

croat123
11-14-2003, 01:36 AM
vamos david!
no seas pendejo!

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 01:43 AM
we have a breakback 4-3

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 01:44 AM
4-4

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 01:47 AM
5-4 AA

Aurora
11-14-2003, 01:49 AM
5-5 Come on David, make this set yours!

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 01:51 AM
smart money is on a tie break here

J. Corwin
11-14-2003, 01:51 AM
AA staved off 2 break points...

J. Corwin
11-14-2003, 01:51 AM
..and he didn't save the last one

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 01:52 AM
LETS GO ANDRE! Fight fight fight!

star
11-14-2003, 01:55 AM
30 all on Nalbandian as he tries to serve out the set.

star
11-14-2003, 01:55 AM
That's back from 0-30

J. Corwin
11-14-2003, 01:58 AM
Deuce

Aurora
11-14-2003, 01:59 AM
third breakpoint... sounds like pretty exciting stuff

star
11-14-2003, 01:59 AM
Deuce

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 02:01 AM
Andre breaks back! Tiebreak!

Aurora
11-14-2003, 02:01 AM
a tiebreaker after all, you better keep up with the gnome, David!

J. Corwin
11-14-2003, 02:12 AM
Both Andre and David having chances to serve it out in the TB...but not being able to convert.

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 02:13 AM
9-8 Andre, david Serving

Aurora
11-14-2003, 02:13 AM
what about those call-discussions? right or wrong? or just emotion?

J. Corwin
11-14-2003, 02:15 AM
10-all in tiebreak...

Aurora
11-14-2003, 02:16 AM
couldn't be much closer.... exciting!

J. Corwin
11-14-2003, 02:18 AM
Agassi wins first set 12-10 in TB!

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 02:18 AM
Andre win the tiebreak -- 12-10!!! Can't wait to watch this match on TV!

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 02:18 AM
7-6 agassi...great tiebreak

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 02:18 AM
Andre Wins 12-10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

star
11-14-2003, 02:20 AM
Pretty amazing stuff.

Particularly from a guy whose wrist is acting up.

Jorge
11-14-2003, 02:23 AM
well done Andre :) what a tiebreak!!

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 02:31 AM
But now David is up a break in the second. 3-0.

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 02:40 AM
4-1.... D.N

Billabong
11-14-2003, 02:41 AM
Hi guys!!! I'm here for live scoring too! It's abig surprise for me, I thought Agassi was playing only tomorrow!! When I saw live scoring, I was like, what is happening here??? LOL...

4-1 Nalbandian helped by 2 great serves at deuce..

Billabong
11-14-2003, 02:42 AM
Agassi serving at 1-4...
15-0 great serve
30-0 error Nalb
40-0 Dave out
game AA 4-2!

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 02:43 AM
Hi Billabong! You're lucky, you were spared the heart-attack-inducing first set tiebreak!!!

Billabong
11-14-2003, 02:44 AM
Hi MisterQ! I'm happy to see you!
Dave is playing great at the moment...
15-0
30-0
40-0 Agassi can't do anything...
game Nalb, 5-2

P.S. I'm rooting for AA!

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 02:48 AM
welcome billabong

the second set has gone pear shaped for AA...but me thinks the third set will be close.

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 02:51 AM
40-15

Billabong
11-14-2003, 02:52 AM
Hi Sparky! :wavey:
Nalbandian serving for the set..
15-0
30-0 long rally, controlled by Dave...
40-15 bad bad bad
double set point
saved by AA with a DF! 40-30
and he wins the set, 6-3..

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 02:53 AM
nalbandian takes second set 6-3

Billabong
11-14-2003, 02:57 AM
Agassi serving, made a fantastic shot!
40-15
game AA great play! wow the rally! 1-0

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 02:59 AM
Let's go, Andre! Break him early!!!

RogiFan88
11-14-2003, 03:04 AM
Have they been playing for 2 hrs now? Wow! Nalby's giving AA a hard time or is it AA who's doing it to Nalby?

Anyway, sounds like a great TB -- 12-10!! I like it!

Nalby complaining again... :p

So who will win this sucker??

I'm thinking AA, if he's not too old by the end of the match...

;)

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:04 AM
2-1 Andre, Break Time!

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:08 AM
30-40!

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:08 AM
Yes!!!! Andre Broke, 3-1

Billabong
11-14-2003, 03:09 AM
This is a great match so far.. very equal..
2-1 Agassi after a scare..
Nalbandian serving!
0-15
0-30 AA has a chance there!
15-30
ooohh 15-40 rally controlled by AA
30-40 incredible second serve!
Agassi breaks!!! 3-1

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 03:10 AM
So who will win this sucker??

I'm thinking AA, if he's not too old by the end of the match...

;)

LOL! At this rate, he might be!
;)

J. Corwin
11-14-2003, 03:11 AM
Andre broke. nice

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:12 AM
4-1!! two mOre

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:14 AM
geez Andy doesnt deserve NUmber 1.......


Sorry, i just cant get over that

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:18 AM
break point! Ad out for Agassi

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:19 AM
Duece :(

Ten_Isse_Fan
11-14-2003, 03:20 AM
8 double faults from David :eek:

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:22 AM
damn, 4-2

Billabong
11-14-2003, 03:26 AM
Agassi one game away! 5-2! He had 2 bps at 4-2 but still, great play!

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 03:26 AM
Total points won thus far: Agassi 103, Nalbandian 101!

close match!

RogiFan88
11-14-2003, 03:27 AM
Come on, double-A, you're slipping!

Anyone know the OOP for tomorrow??

So is it warm or cool or cold or humid??

Nalby must be sweating like a pig out there... blechhh.

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:29 AM
15-30, two points away

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:31 AM
Ad Nalbandian

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:31 AM
5-3, Come ON Andre! Serve It Out!

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:33 AM
15-40 Damnit

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:34 AM
I cant watch

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:34 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Billabong
11-14-2003, 03:34 AM
Watch out Agassi!
15-15
15-30 first DF of the match! nervous there!
15-40!!! NOOOOOO!!! Agassi don't miss your chance!
oh shit...
he broke, 5-4... Agassi screw up everything...

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 03:35 AM
Crap! Back on serve! Come on Andre, break him now for the win!

RogiFan88
11-14-2003, 03:36 AM
Crap! Back on serve! Come on Andre, break him now for the win!


He's getting too old! He s have won it by now :mad: -- OK Nalby you can keep old man AA out there a little longer but just lose, OK?

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:38 AM
5-5 crap

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:40 AM
Haha, jk! ANdre WOn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

federerfan7465
11-14-2003, 03:41 AM
7-6 3-6 6-4 Amdre is a Semi-Finalist!
great job DRe!

Billabong
11-14-2003, 03:41 AM
Match point Agassi! WOW! come on take it! It's not the moment to miss an opportunity like that!
-let first serve
-YEAAAAAAAAHHHH!!! He won! 6-4!
Agassi def. Nalbandian 7-6(10), 3-6, 6-4! Congrats AA!

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 03:41 AM
OMG ANDRE DID IT!!! :) :) :)

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 03:41 AM
well played andre 7-6 6-3 6-4

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 03:45 AM
,, :worship:

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 03:47 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, this post totally sums up my own feelings at that moment!

I'm SO glad Andre broke back for the win.

J. Corwin
11-14-2003, 03:52 AM
Congrats Andre! Great win! :D

Tricky_Forehand
11-14-2003, 04:29 AM
:sad: DAVID :sad:

I haven't seen this match yet but I did listen to it live on Eurosport. Even though it didn't come out the way that I wanted I can't wait to see it!!

Poor David after finally managing to break back in the third he goes and loses his serve after a REALLY badly timed DF (not like there's ever too good of a time :rolleyes: ). David still played a great match so I hope after things blow over he realizes that. I haven't looked at stats since the beginning of the third but it looked like there wasn't a lot between the two.

I'm now a little nervous about the commentary on ESPN. They ticked me off today with their habit of ignoring Rainer when he hit great shots and I'm afraid of more of the same :mad: . Two more minutes!!

GO RAINER!! GO GUILLE!! GREAT JOB DAVID!!

*Ljubica*
11-14-2003, 09:58 AM
Just wanted to bad luck for David - he should have won that match if not for a few dodgy line calls.........He played great and I am really proud of him, - hope he can take the good things away from this match instead of the bitter taste of all the bad things that happened. The behaviour of that ghastly tournament promoter was totally appaling - all the players think the same (well apart from the Amercian ones I'm sure), - David just had the guts and courage to say what the others were thinking and I am proud of him. Good luck to Guille tonight against Roddick, - if only to wipe the smirk from that promoter's face!

star
11-14-2003, 10:18 AM
Rosie, you must be thrilled that David's wrist held up for three hard fought sets.

Tricky_Forehand
11-14-2003, 10:28 AM
The behaviour of that ghastly tournament promoter was totally appaling - all the players think the same (well apart from the Amercian ones I'm sure), - David just had the guts and courage to say what the others were thinking and I am proud of him. Good luck to Guille tonight against Roddick, - if only to wipe the smirk from that promoter's face!

What I couldn't believe was that no one even seem to discuss with this guy what is and what isn't appropriate behavior for a tournament director. I'm wondering if he acts this way during the clay court tournament as well. :mad: :mad:

I felt the same as you did Rosie. I was happy for David when he spoke up, just like he did at the US OPEN. That's probably why the commentators here like to put it out there that he whines a lot in hopes that no one takes him seriously. I don't think I've ever seen David complain without reason. And he had several HUGE reasons tonight.

I'm sad for David but he'll keep winning titles. He (and Rainer and Guille) probably still won't get attention here but his supporters will know :D

*Ljubica*
11-14-2003, 10:30 AM
Rosie, you must be thrilled that David's wrist held up for three hard fought sets.
Yes I am Star - very thrilled and very proud, although I understand he may still have to have surgey over the "closed" Season. It was certainly a great match and the English commentators have been lavishing huge praise on both players. I'm not a particular Agassi fan but it is amazing that he can play with so much commitment and energy at his age and at this stage in his career. I just wish Roddick could learn some of Agassi's good behaviour and good sportsmanship then perhaps he wouldn't be so unpopular. And by the way, - I know you're not a fan of David so I really appreciate your words :)

Jorge
11-14-2003, 11:10 AM
Andre :banana:

I saw whole the match, it was really exciting :worship:
the only disgusting thing was the unbelievable attitude by the tournament promoter, simply shameful :o He seemed to be one of those cheerleaders hired by Mardy Fish :rolleyes:
might the organization be fined by the ATP?

so we have already set one semifinal match, isn't it? Schüttler vs Agassi. I have no favorite on this one :cool:

*Ljubica*
11-14-2003, 11:28 AM
I felt the same as you did Rosie. I was happy for David when he spoke up, just like he did at the US OPEN. That's probably why the commentators here like to put it out there that he whines a lot in hopes that no one takes him seriously. I don't think I've ever seen David complain without reason. And he had several HUGE reasons tonight.

I'm sad for David but he'll keep winning titles. He (and Rainer and Guille) probably still won't get attention here but his supporters will know :D
Guess I'm lucky tht I don't have to put up with your commentators, as I only seem to hear bad things about them. The British commentators are usually OK - sometimes they go a bit "over the top" about Tim Henman, but that is all. Most of them are great admirers of David because of his achievements at Wimbledon, and they were definately on his side over the promoter incident. I was thinking about writing a letter/email of complaint to the ATP or something similar but I doubt it would do any good, - might make me feel better though :)

tall_one
11-14-2003, 12:36 PM
The behaviour of that ghastly tournament promoter was totally appaling - all the players think the same (well apart from the Amercian ones I'm sure), - David just had the guts and courage to say what the others were thinking and I am proud of him.
Okay....I missed something. :help: What exactly did the tournament promoter do/say? :scratch:

Winston's Human
11-14-2003, 01:50 PM
The ESPN commentators were quite praising of Nalbandian - particularly about his numerous backhand down the line winners. Even though he won, Agassi may have nightmares over that shot.

I knew that the tournament directors needed to remain neutral when watching the matches. I did not know that applied also to the tournament chair/promoter. If so, I am surprised that no one at ATP has spoken to MacIngvale about it.

star
11-14-2003, 02:04 PM
The ESPN commentators were quite praising of Nalbandian - particularly about his numerous backhand down the line winners. Even though he won, Agassi may have nightmares over that shot.

I knew that the tournament directors needed to remain neutral when watching the matches. I did not know that applied also to the tournament chair/promoter. If so, I am surprised that no one at ATP has spoken to MacIngvale about it.

Someone from the ATP did talk to him about it. It was in the story in the Chronicle today. I don't know if it is a rule that the promoter remain neutral, but it is probably good for business to do so. Anyway, Jim McInvagle is a very excitable man, and the idea of money gets him even more excited..... at least that's what his remarks seem to indicate.

Just be glad you don't live in the U.S. so you don't have to listen to his annoying commercials for next year. But, Mac learned long ago that annoying commercials sell and no matter how much taste mavens might complain, he has made a mint doing his own awful low budget advertising and making a total fool of himself on tv.

Winston's Human
11-14-2003, 04:17 PM
"Just be glad you don't live in the U.S. so you don't have to listen to his annoying commercials for next year"

Actually, I am in the U.S. (DFW in fact). I guess his commercials don't play up here or I ride the remote too much to catch them.

Deboogle!.
11-14-2003, 04:37 PM
(BTW, I do agree that the chair umpires have been making some horrible calls this tournament but the calls have hardly been in favor of the Americans.)

I couldn't agree more, tangerine. There have been bad calls all around. Andy got a TERRIBLE call in the match against Moya on that serve that changed the whole set pretty much. Agassi got an even worse call on Fed's serve that was several inches out. And he got another bad one right around the same time during that match, too.

No, David couldn't have known it at the time, but the calls he was arguing were both correct. I for one am really impressed at the quality of the calls in tennis - my eyes certainly aren't that good. I don't blame any player for getting worked up over a call (except Andy b/c it ruins his focus something terrible). However, the double standards on this board are appalling. Andy throws his racket around a couple times and is called a whiner and an ungracious loser, but David throws a hissy-fit (and I'm sure the only reason ESPN2 could show it was because it was in Spanish) and everyone rejoices and says that he's saying what everyone else should have said? I think this fits here...You canNOT be serious! The point is that they should all be able to say whatever they want. If they take it too far they get a warning, that's the way it goes. But to ridicule one player for doing something and praise another for doing pretty much the same thing is ludicrous.

that said, I still think there's a good case for instant replay :shrug:

Deboogle!.
11-14-2003, 04:40 PM
As for Andy not being a good sportsman, sorry but I really don't understand. Besides the slightly annoying racket-clapping after a point, he is always very congratulatory during the handshake, and in the press conferences he always gives props to the person who beat him, even if the loss was just as equally due to Andy not playing well as the other person playing well. Andy is not the type of person who harbors sour grapes or is a sore loser.

*Ljubica*
11-14-2003, 05:09 PM
Dear bunk and tangerine dream, - just to put the record straight I personally am NOT anti-American at all, - two of the greatest players the sport has ever known are Agassi and the great Pete Sampras - both American, both amazing players and both tremendous sportsmen. However, in answer to your comments, there is a hell of a difference between throwing your racquet in anger due to a call that you truly believe at the time is incorrect (like Nalbandian did), and behaving like a petulant brat as Roddick did, - Schuettler hit an amazng shot - it was too good for anyone to return and Roddick just threw his racquet down like a toddler throwing his toys out of the pram.

And as to what Nalbandian said, - being bi-lingual he was able to repeat the whole thing in English to Mark Darby so (perhaps) your ESPN edited it out - I don't know as I watched the match live on Eurosport.

Finally, there are good and bad people everywhere of every country and nationality - but surely you must agree that the behaviour of the Houston promoter is crass, immature, unprofessional and a total discredit to his country.Whatever his personal opinions are, he is there to represent his tournament, his company and his country too on worldwide TV, and thus should behave with some kind of decorum and good manners in public and not whoop and scream at another man's misfortune just because he wants an American player to stay in the tournament for purely financial and commercial reasons. As I understand it, this was one of Nalbandian's basic complaints - that he didn't treat the other players with any respect and I agree wholeheartedly. The promoter behaved exactly the same way to Federer and Ferrero, it's just that Nalbandian isn't afraid to say what he thinks and the others are perhaps a little quieter in personality. It is unfortunate that behaviour such as his, gives other decent, sporting American people a "bad" name whether amongst Europeans, Argentines or wherever people may come from.

MisterQ
11-14-2003, 05:25 PM
This is all an interesting issue, and I'm not sure what the right answer is ethically. But it certainly seems that the promoter ought to be a little more reserved, even if he did want Andre to win, either for financial reasons or because he's a big fan.

I am happy that those two calls in the first set tiebreak were correct --- otherwise the match would be marred, since one point really makes the difference in a tiebreak.

It is true, though, as some people have already pointed out, that the Americans have gotten some bad calls too in this tournament (Agassi had two of them go against him on huge BREAK points against Federer in the second set).

In a general sense, it bothers me that foreign players believe that pro-American bias extends to the directors and also to the line judges and chairs, both in Houston and at the US Open. Whether it is true or not, the USTA should take a close look at this issue, because it hurts our own players if others think that wins were "handed to them".

Deboogle!.
11-14-2003, 06:21 PM
I didn't say Mattress Mac was acting correctly. There's an article about it in the Houston paper this morning and he apologized and said he will try to work on it. The guy is a furniture salesman who grew to love tennis. He just has to be informed of the traditions of tennis and I think the story there is over.

As far as Andy throwing his racket, that's what he does when he's mad AT HIMSELF. It's not like he throws a racket when he gets a bad call or whatever (at least not that I've seen). One of your faves, Rosie, Coria tends to be pretty darn whiny so I guess I don't understand how you can ignore that and deride Andy so much. Plus, Agassi broke a racket on his foot the other night and no one called him a whiny baby. Ferrero threw his racket in the air several times during the Nalbandian match, no one called him a "petulant brat" - why the double standards with Andy just because people don't like him? It's not like he's the first person to throw his racket. If he's mad at himself and that's what he does when he's mad at himself, who the hell cares?

Tricky_Forehand
11-14-2003, 11:16 PM
Guess I'm lucky tht I don't have to put up with your commentators, as I only seem to hear bad things about them. The British commentators are usually OK - sometimes they go a bit "over the top" about Tim Henman, but that is all. Most of them are great admirers of David because of his achievements at Wimbledon, and they were definately on his side over the promoter incident. I was thinking about writing a letter/email of complaint to the ATP or something similar but I doubt it would do any good, - might make me feel better though :)

I have some matches that I purchased from over seas and I can say that I definitely wish the idiots (sorry, "experts") here would take a hint from commentators over there.

I say to go ahead and write the letter or email if it will make you feel better. I have been posting everywhere to get out my frustration :D

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 11:28 PM
i dont think roddick i sbad behaved, hes emotional and got the perosnality he was born with its just peopel today are never satisfied, you had to be a robot and factory produced and even then tons of people wont be happy.

so fkn what if someone argues a call or throws a racket, if someone is sad enough to be offended they need ot get out more and if they got time to actully write a letter to atp then that is soooooo sad and they must have so much time and boredom on their hands get a life ffs !!!

anyone offended by racket throwing or disagreements or swearing should stay away from tennis and get into a peacefull non physical sport like chess

Tricky_Forehand
11-14-2003, 11:31 PM
He just has to be informed of the traditions of tennis and I think the story there is over.

As far as Andy throwing his racket, that's what he does when he's mad AT HIMSELF. It's not like he throws a racket when he gets a bad call or whatever (at least not that I've seen). One of your faves, Rosie, Coria tends to be pretty darn whiny so I guess I don't understand how you can ignore that and deride Andy so much. Plus, Agassi broke a racket on his foot the other night and no one called him a whiny baby. Ferrero threw his racket in the air several times during the Nalbandian match, no one called him a "petulant brat" - why the double standards with Andy just because people don't like him? It's not like he's the first person to throw his racket. If he's mad at himself and that's what he does when he's mad at himself, who the hell cares?

As far as "Mattress Mac" goes hasn't he been hosting the US clay Court Championships for a while? Shouldn't he already be aware of the "traditions" of Tennis as a director/promoter?

You mentioned that you've never seen Roddick throw a racquet on a bad call. I've seen him in person in LA do that and on televised matches. Because he isn't a favorite I rarely tape any of his matches so I can't point out a specific match.

I had issues when Andre broke his racket because it reminded me of the young Agassi and also Roddick threw a temper tantrum where he apparently called the umpire a few names during his match against Carlos. Surprisingly (NOT!!) that little tantrum wasn't shown on TV or even mentioned by the commentators. And I think that's because they've been trying to pump him up as being so mature that to mention his tantrum would take that down a notch.

There is a double standard here in the States. It's ok for Andre and Andy to throw fits but if anyone else has a valid issue, David last night, he's seen as "throwing a hissy fit." David was right about everything that I heard him say. He was wrong about arguing that one line call on set point but on a real time replay on ESPN the ball looked "in" without the special technology on ESPN. The umpire shouldn't have over ruled that. I think that some people are just bothered by the fact that David is stepping up and saying something that others may not want to say. This poor guy probably really hates Americans at this point between what happened at the US OPEN and now in Houston. It was highly unlikely that he would play in LA before but now I really doubt it...lol.

At least David pulled it out though and continued to give the match everything he had even though he knew that "Mattress Mac" front row and center was 100% against him. I did like when he turned to him and said "Thank You" in the 3rd set. He must have actually got a clap for the ace down the middle. Hope it didn't hurt the guy too much :rolleyes:

GO RAINER!! GO GUILLE!!

sparkyfenton
11-14-2003, 11:33 PM
IS this for real???? there are people out there offended by roddicks so called behaviour??? WAKE UP and get in the real world...this is high pressure sport and a lot of money at stake !!!

why should it be boring and polite and after you sir no after you old bean......just to please sad people who are easily offended and pick holes in everybody except themselves????

Tricky_Forehand
11-14-2003, 11:40 PM
ROFL!!! :haha: The blatant hypocrisy of Europeans never ceases to amaze me!



I'm not European or "anti-American" (a word that people seem to love to throw around these days) but I do agree with Rosie and everything that she stated. I honestly don't care if a player throws a "fit" but what does bother me is when an American player throws a "fit" they have every right to but when a non-American throws a "fit"...well, they're wrong.

At least ESPN did give a little leniency to David for why he was so angry. He didn't have shot-spot down there so how was he supposed to know that he was wrong in arguing during the tiebreak? The whole tournament director issue. He was right on the mark. I know I'm falling on deaf ears but I just don't like seeing David get called a "whiny brat" while Roddick got away with his temper tantrum in his match against Moya :mad: .

Deboogle!.
11-14-2003, 11:52 PM
I'm not European or "anti-American" (a word that people seem to love to throw around these days) but I do agree with Rosie and everything that she stated. I honestly don't care if a player throws a "fit" but what does bother me is when an American player throws a "fit" they have every right to but when a non-American throws a "fit"...well, they're wrong.


HAHAHA So one double standard is OK but the other isn't? Sorry that doesn't work for me. My opinion is that any player who is fighting for something he or she believes in is justified - even if they turn out to be wrong (because as mentioned, they don't know that down on the court). On THIS board, what you've described is almost exactly the opposite. Andy throws his racket in disgust (at HIMSELF I might add) and he's called a "petulant brat" among other things, but David throws a fit and he's praised. They BOTH had every right to do what they did, in my opinion. Saying one did and one did not is ridiculous, whichever direction the argument goes in.

And no one called Nalbandian a whiny brat.

vaiva
11-15-2003, 12:20 AM
And no one called Nalbandian a whiny brat.

Obviously, you haven't been around these boards long enought to claim that, have you?

For the record, Dave's cut significantly on his whinning lately

Deboogle!.
11-15-2003, 12:33 AM
In this particular instance, no one called him a whiny brat, that I saw. What people said before I got here in October, I can't, wouldn't, and didn't comment on.

Tricky_Forehand
11-15-2003, 03:54 AM
HAHAHA So one double standard is OK but the other isn't? Sorry that doesn't work for me. My opinion is that any player who is fighting for something he or she believes in is justified - even if they turn out to be wrong (because as mentioned, they don't know that down on the court). On THIS board, what you've described is almost exactly the opposite. Andy throws his racket in disgust (at HIMSELF I might add) and he's called a "petulant brat" among other things, but David throws a fit and he's praised. They BOTH had every right to do what they did, in my opinion. Saying one did and one did not is ridiculous, whichever direction the argument goes in.



I have a feeling that you took my sarcasm literally. I guess I should've put it in quotes. I'm talking about the media saying that it's ok for an American to throw a "fit" for whatever reason but gosh forbid if a "non-American" does. If their not going to get on the American player for a "fit" for whatever reason then the same rules should apply to a foreign opponent. Sadly, at least on the matches I've seen, that doesn't seem to be the case. Roddick and Agassi never seem to do wrong.