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Deboogle!.
11-12-2003, 05:54 PM
Well, almost time!

Dunno who to root for, Fed or Nalby... and I can only stay for like the first half-hour of the match :sad:


And it is another BRUTAL day here in Houston... just like yesterday. Hopefully they'll be able to deal with it better than Coria and Schuettler did

Deboogle!.
11-12-2003, 06:03 PM
well he sounds pretty good about Nalbandian.. hopefully he really believes what they showed him say LOL

KarstenBraasch#1
11-12-2003, 06:08 PM
Norm Christ just told them that they will have TV time-outs. :rolleyes:

"Only stand up when I say 'time'" :fiery: :lol:

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:17 PM
Scoreboard hasn't started AGAIN, I see...

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:17 PM
Federer with an immediate break - but Nalbandian is going to start threatening his serve sooner or later, he's a good enough returner to break at will.

Aurora
11-12-2003, 06:17 PM
Federer has broken immediately... Could it finally be the day for Roger?

Deboogle!.
11-12-2003, 06:18 PM
Fed broke is serving at 2*-0

TheBoiledEgg
11-12-2003, 06:20 PM
another break *3-0 :yeah:

Aurora
11-12-2003, 06:21 PM
Eurosport commentators talking about a slope in the field... really of any significance?
Federer confirms the break, got confidence Roger?

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:21 PM
3-0 - let's just hope it lasts. If he's going to win, Federer has to adopt that Hewitt/Agassi mentality of making the opponent earn every game and trying to beat them as convincingly as possible. The one break per set Sampras philosophy that normally works for him isn't going to do so against Nalbandian since his serve is going to be under pressure all the time.

KarstenBraasch#1
11-12-2003, 06:22 PM
another break *3-0 :yeah:
It's only one break. :confused:

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:22 PM
another break *3-0 :yeah:

Just the one, actually.

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:23 PM
LOL, GoDom beat me to the punch...

TheBoiledEgg
11-12-2003, 06:23 PM
oops i'm dreaming :o
Roger's serving 1st :o

TheBoiledEgg
11-12-2003, 06:24 PM
trying to do 3 things at once

watch Tennis
listen to radio and doing my spreadsheet as well :o

KarstenBraasch#1
11-12-2003, 06:25 PM
Great rally and Roger using his slice very smart. Again BP.
DF 4-0.

Deboogle!.
11-12-2003, 06:25 PM
NOW it's 2 breaks.

TheBoiledEgg
11-12-2003, 06:25 PM
i was just a game ahead

now its 2 breaks 4-0 :D
a DF from Fatboy

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:26 PM
A Nalbandian double fault gifts Federer the double break - hopefully he can wrap this set up now.

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:27 PM
Federer has to raise his serve percentage though - only 42% won't get the job done.

Deboogle!.
11-12-2003, 06:28 PM
and not when Nalby is returning like that!

KarstenBraasch#1
11-12-2003, 06:28 PM
Eggy the prophet :bowdown:

Now BP Nalbandian though.
Mis-hit deuce.

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:32 PM
Thank goodness, an ace at last. But that game showed why Nalbandian is such a danger, Federer will have to remain strong on serve for the second set because the Great Dave will only start playing better.

KarstenBraasch#1
11-12-2003, 06:32 PM
5-0

Why do all afternoon matches suck ? :bigcry:

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:34 PM
GoDom, at the moment I'm very happy that this particular match is sucking. I suspect Nalbandian may well raise his game from now on, though...

Deboogle!.
11-12-2003, 06:35 PM
Roger has some vocal fans in the crowd lol

TheBoiledEgg
11-12-2003, 06:40 PM
maybe trouble ahead :o

fatboy breaks back 2-5

KarstenBraasch#1
11-12-2003, 06:41 PM
One break back as Roger can't get first serves in.

It's interesting: Once they are both hitting hard from the baseline David is guaranteed to win the point.

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:43 PM
Not a surprise, now you can see why Federer needed that double break. He can't win by just blasting the Band off the court, he has to slice and dice, mix up the pace, force Nalbandian to think about his tactics - he loves slamming winners off Federer's big shots.

star
11-12-2003, 06:43 PM
Come ON, Roger!!!!!!!!!


By the way, both are getting enthusiastic crowd support. :)

star
11-12-2003, 06:44 PM
Mary talking about the alpha male stares...... lol

That is so true......

TheBoiledEgg
11-12-2003, 06:48 PM
6-3 :yeah: :D :)

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:49 PM
At last, some first serves enabled him to hold for the set. Nalbandian winning those last three games from 0-5 shows we're in for a tough second set, though. Whatever happens, Federer's got to avoid a repeat of the US Open - remember when he won the first set 6-3 there, and then inexplicably went on a mental holiday for the next five games?

Aurora
11-12-2003, 06:50 PM
lol @ "mental holiday" that one's gonna stick in my vocabulary!

KarstenBraasch#1
11-12-2003, 06:54 PM
I doubt that this racket is still usable. :sad:

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:55 PM
It's a perfectly common phrase - would "vacation" make more sense, out of interest?

Federer with a break at the start of the second - if he can hold five times he's home, but these are going to be five of the toughest service games he's ever played... still below 50% first serves!

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 06:56 PM
All right, four of them will be - that was a love game. Please, one more break would be fantastic.

Lee
11-12-2003, 06:57 PM
It's a perfectly common phrase - would "vacation" make more sense, out of interest?


IMO, American loves to use 'vacation' while Brits 'holiday'. May be the same reason for 'pants' and 'trousers'.

J. Corwin
11-12-2003, 07:01 PM
Will be this Roger's time to finally get a win against David?

Tennisfan-Mtl
11-12-2003, 07:02 PM
Where is the scoreboard on the official website ? I see the page explaining you the different requirements to download the scoreboard...but I don't see the actual link to that scoreboard...:(

Am I blind ?

Tennisfan-Mtl
11-12-2003, 07:02 PM
Go Roger :)

star
11-12-2003, 07:02 PM
Ohhhhh.... Was Nalbandian making it personal out there?

TheBoiledEgg
11-12-2003, 07:03 PM
Roger's got him by the balls now :D

J. Corwin
11-12-2003, 07:03 PM
Ah, another break. David is spraying balls he normally wouldn't.

star
11-12-2003, 07:04 PM
Where is the scoreboard on the official website ? I see the page explaining you the different requirements to download the scoreboard...but I don't see the actual link to that scoreboard...:(

Am I blind ?

Yes. It's just above that column you are looking at.

YEA ROGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 07:05 PM
That's it, now three more holds and you're into the semis...

I know about the difference Lee, but I was just wondering which one the Belgians use.

Lee
11-12-2003, 07:05 PM
Where is the scoreboard on the official website ? I see the page explaining you the different requirements to download the scoreboard...but I don't see the actual link to that scoreboard...:(

Am I blind ?

There is a pic on the home page, I think it's a pic of Ferrero and it said live score. Just click the pic.

J. Corwin
11-12-2003, 07:05 PM
Where is the scoreboard on the official website ? I see the page explaining you the different requirements to download the scoreboard...but I don't see the actual link to that scoreboard...:(

Am I blind ?

It's at the top right. It's the picture/graphical link.

Tennisfan-Mtl
11-12-2003, 07:06 PM
Yes. It's just above that column you are looking at.

YEA ROGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks :)

KarstenBraasch#1
11-12-2003, 07:11 PM
David's mother again. :o

Scotso
11-12-2003, 07:12 PM
Looks like Fed turned the tables.

Jorge
11-12-2003, 07:18 PM
yesssss one game more to bagel Nalbandián and to advance to the semis!!! :bounce:

5-0

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 07:18 PM
At last! To quote Sampras, THAT's what I'm talking about!!!!

TheBoiledEgg
11-12-2003, 07:21 PM
what a spanking

Jorge
11-12-2003, 07:22 PM
well done roger!!! you are the man! way to crush your "nemesis"!!!!
6-3 6-0!! :D :bounce: now just take out Ferrero! ;)

Scotso
11-12-2003, 07:23 PM
Congrats Federer :) Now lose to Ferrero ;)

Tennisfan-Mtl
11-12-2003, 07:23 PM
Roger :D

J. Corwin
11-12-2003, 07:23 PM
Nice win Roger! Reverse "dominance"!

Sjengster
11-12-2003, 07:25 PM
YEEESSS!!! To anticipate Federer's paraphrasing of Gerulaitis in the interview, no-one beats Roger Federer 6 times in a row! And a bagel, what a brilliant way to do it... I suspect that Nalbandian was heavily off his game with the wrist injury, but still, it's worth updating Love's thread in GM just to let him/her (?) know that domination can't last forever.

Amazing, with Federer's attitude going into the Masters Cup and drawn with his two nemeses, I never would have thought he'd choose the perfect moment to beat them both for the first time. Now beat Ferrero tomorrow and you can keep your perfect group record from last year!

Dirk
11-12-2003, 07:28 PM
Roger did to David what David did to him.

Roger only made 11 Unforced Errors. David made 25 Errors.

Roger hit 13 Winners to David's 8.

Lee
11-12-2003, 07:31 PM
Thanks to this one-sided match, US viewers are subjected to Duck match again! :rolleyes:

WyverN
11-12-2003, 07:37 PM
Federer finally did what he had to do, keep the unforced errors down, this in turn forced David to go for a bit more and it rattled him and forced him into some uncharacteristic unforced errors.
?Not the best match by Nalbandian, one of the worst I seen him play actually, but brilliantly played by Federer

star
11-12-2003, 07:43 PM
I am so happy for Federer!!!!

This was a long time coming. I posted this yesterday, and now I believe it is even more true. Roger is in a perfect position to win this tournament. He is the one with nothing to lose. He has no pressure, and can just enjoy the tennis and the competition.

Tricky_Forehand
11-12-2003, 07:49 PM
Norm Christ just told them that they will have TV time-outs. :rolleyes:

"Only stand up when I say 'time'" :fiery: :lol:

I have a match on tape from Aussie TV of the match between Brian Vahaly and Vince Spadea at Indian Wells and the same thing was said. That explains a lot why the changeovers are quicker in person than on TV ;) .

Tricky_Forehand
11-12-2003, 07:53 PM
Ohhhhh.... Was Nalbandian making it personal out there?

I think so ;) . I might have said the serve into the body wasn't aimed to hurt him but that shot at the net had me thinking a little differently...lol.

Tricky_Forehand
11-12-2003, 08:02 PM
:sad: Not a good match at all by David. I don't think I've seen him spray that many balls or hit that many into the net since I became a "fan" of his.

I do congratulate Roger but I can't cheer. If David had played even close to his best, or how he would normally even play, and still lose to Roger...I would be right there with heaps of congrats. But David was more than off today and, in my opinion, Roger didn't have to do a whole heck of a lot. I know that Roger stayed on top of him because he knows, better than anyone, how David has the ability to fight back. I like Roger so I'm not completely ticked :) .

At least David is still 1-1 with a chance at the SFs although I doubt losing 10 games helped. Still one singles to go and a chance at the day not being a complete loss :) .

Dirk
11-12-2003, 08:19 PM
Like I said before. Roger did to David what David did to him. Roger went through periods of poor play against David and that helped David win. Hell that is the reason Roger was 0-5 to him, don't believe me than go look at the Oz site and Open site for the stats cause I know they are still there. Roger stayed in it today and cut back on his errors and put pressure on David's serve.

WyverN
11-12-2003, 08:26 PM
I think so ;) . I might have said the serve into the body wasn't aimed to hurt him but that shot at the net had me thinking a little differently...lol.

That was pretty low from Nalbandian, it was a key point and a very easy shot but instead Nalbandian chose to kill federer instead

Mrs. B
11-12-2003, 08:43 PM
:banana:

Tricky_Forehand
11-12-2003, 08:43 PM
Like I said before. Roger did to David what David did to him. Roger went through periods of poor play against David and that helped David win. Hell that is the reason Roger was 0-5 to him, don't believe me than go look at the Oz site and Open site for the stats cause I know they are still there. Roger stayed in it today and cut back on his errors and put pressure on David's serve.

This post sounds VERY similar to a post I just read somewhere else under another name. I'll say here, same as the other place, that stats don't always tell the whole story. I've learned that through many years of watching matches on TV and in person.

I understand undying loyalty to a player but I also understand giving credit where credit is due. Roger played a decent match BUT David played nowhere near what he's capable of. He was missing shots that he would've made any other day. Still, the good news is that David does still have a good chance at the SFs.

Now, I'm going to try my hardest not to let certain Roger fans turn me against Roger :D (like I ever would).

Tricky_Forehand
11-12-2003, 08:46 PM
That was pretty low from Nalbandian, it was a key point and a very easy shot but instead Nalbandian chose to kill federer instead

It was "low" but David has a temper so I wasn't all that surprised :) .

nitsansh
11-12-2003, 08:54 PM
Knowles/Nestor have just qualified to the SF, after winning the 1st set against Bhupathi/Mirnyi 6:4.

*Ljubica*
11-12-2003, 08:58 PM
:sad: Not a good match at all by David. I don't think I've seen him spray that many balls or hit that many into the net since I became a "fan" of his.

I do congratulate Roger but I can't cheer. If David had played even close to his best, or how he would normally even play, and still lose to Roger...I would be right there with heaps of congrats. But David was more than off today and, in my opinion, Roger didn't have to do a whole heck of a lot. I know that Roger stayed on top of him because he knows, better than anyone, how David has the ability to fight back. I like Roger so I'm not completely ticked :) .

At least David is still 1-1 with a chance at the SFs although I doubt losing 10 games helped. Still one singles to go and a chance at the day not being a complete loss :) .
Just wanted to say I agree with every word. Of course I'm really sad that David didn't win - but everyone can have a bad day at work sometimes - I often do! He still has a chance and I will always be cheering for him :)

Lady
11-12-2003, 09:18 PM
I think so ;) . I might have said the serve into the body wasn't aimed to hurt him but that shot at the net had me thinking a little differently...lol.

I thought I was the only one who was suspicion about that shot :o

Thanks to Roger's great reaction :bounce: :lol:

Lady
11-12-2003, 09:19 PM
That was pretty low from Nalbandian, it was a key point and a very easy shot but instead Nalbandian chose to kill federer instead
I think he was hoping to injure Roger to help him out :lol: Didn't work

nitsansh
11-12-2003, 09:50 PM
Bhupathi & Mirnyi saved 2 MP in the TB and won 8:6 to level the match to 1:1.

Ma. Estefania
11-12-2003, 10:16 PM
but David has a temper so I wasn't all that surprised :) .

Yeah, and anyway...he was losing the match....

Tricky_Forehand
11-12-2003, 10:21 PM
He still has a chance and I will always be cheering for him :)

As will I :D

Ma. Estefania
11-12-2003, 10:37 PM
Me too! :)

Deboogle!.
11-12-2003, 10:42 PM
OK so knowles/nestor just won.... does that mean the Bryans clinch #1??????????

nitsansh
11-12-2003, 11:27 PM
Not yet... B&M can reach the semi if A&H beat E&R in 3 sets...
If E&R win, they qualify. If A&H win in straight sets, they qualify...
It's also possible that E&R qualify with 3-sets loss, if they have big win in their winning set and small losses in their losing sets... the possible scores for this are:
6-0 6-7 6-7
6-0 6-7 5-7
6-0 6-7 4-6
6-1 6-7 6-7

Aurora
11-13-2003, 12:06 AM
AA and Juanqui are about to get it on...

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:08 AM
Ooh, it's 0-15 on Agassi's serve.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:08 AM
Now it's 15-15.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:09 AM
But now 15-30...

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:09 AM
Ah, 30-30 now.

*P.S. - this is how you raise your post total in double-quick time, azza style*

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:10 AM
1-0, Agassi. On reflection, game by game would be a little less wearisome than point by point...

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:15 AM
LOL Sjengster! :lol:

1-1 now

Ferrero is definitely playing better today. :D

Oh no, I can just see they'll keep showing George Bush throught the match. :rolleyes:

Aurora
11-13-2003, 12:16 AM
Allright! Ferrero breaks!

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 12:16 AM
Ferrero breaks for a 2-1 lead.

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:16 AM
Well now, Ferrero gets an early break. :D This is a completely different match, much to my delight.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:19 AM
LOL Sjengster! :lol:

1-1 now

Ferrero is definitely playing better today. :D

Oh no, I can just see they'll keep showing George Bush throught the match. :rolleyes:

He's there for this too, is he? Interesting... I caught a glimpse of him in the Agassi-Roddick final earlier this year, although I missed virtually all the match thanks to more artful (ie, false) scheduling from Eurosport :mad:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:19 AM
Quick game, now 3-1.

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 12:20 AM
Ah, 30-30 now.

*P.S. - this is how you raise your post total in double-quick time, azza style*


:p he's 14 and you are twice his age :tape:

anyway go Sushi :D :)
send Agassi home so Scud has to play here instead of going home to get some grass practice :devil:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:23 AM
Nice guess TBE, but you're out by a few years - could be on azza's age as well for all I know, he sounds like he could be keeping something from us... except his hatred of Federer, LOL.

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:23 AM
:p he's 14 and you are twice his age :tape:

anyway go Sushi :D :)
send Agassi home so Scud has to play here instead of going home to get some grass practice :devil:

I like the way you think. :lol: Keeping the big picture in mind. ;)

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 12:23 AM
so youre 3 times his age WOW

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:25 AM
Hi guys!! :)
Ferrero up a break, 3-2
30-15
40-15
game Ferrero, 4-2

Aurora
11-13-2003, 12:26 AM
I'm suddenly very happy having decided to stay up for this! It's feeling like a good one...

Come on JC, make the gnome feel he's still surrounded by the smell of diapers!

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:26 AM
You realise if Agassi does lose here and Scud plays in his place, that will virtually guarantee Nalbandian a spot in the semis? Not to do Philippoussis down or anything, azza could be on here and I'd hate to do that, but judging by their US Open match Big Dave has the beating of him too.

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:27 AM
5-2, double break! :eek: I'm speechless!

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:27 AM
so youre 3 times his age WOW

Think lower, mate, think lower. :p ;)

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:27 AM
Agassi serving down 2-4... cmon Andre!
15-0 great serve
15-15 wide shot AA
wow! 30-15 great shot
30-30 netted
30-40 another UFE hmmm.. really dangerous for AA.
Ferrero great shot, breaks again 5-2

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 12:27 AM
you think Andre's really gonna try if he cant make it thru to SF ?? He's tanked about 100 times in his career so one more wont worry him
it might as well be Scud.

Aurora
11-13-2003, 12:28 AM
Feeling better, Mr. Ferrero?

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:29 AM
Hi guys!! :)
Ferrero up a break, 3-2
30-15
40-15
game Ferrero, 4-2

Hi Billabong! :wavey: :)

Guess we're on opposite sides. ;)

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 12:29 AM
haha, now i see why Sushi put up a lame effort vs FatBoy

he was saving all his slime for Andre :tape:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:29 AM
Not a huge surprise though Layla, same thing happened at the US Open. It certainly is a surprise if Ferrero was playing as badly as you say he was against Nalbandian, but hey... either the rhythm of Agassi suits him (Andre not as fast or as good in defence as Dave), or else he's realised how much he wants the top spot. The fact that it's being played in cooler conditions at night might help him too...

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:30 AM
Ferrero really dominating this match, 40-0 triple set point
set Ferrero, 6-2.. easily

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:31 AM
23 minutes! Sheesh, one more like that would do fine...

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:32 AM
Hi Layla!! I like Ferrero, but I also like Andre so I'm torn between the two lol.. and to see Agassi dominated like this loll... but I want Ferrero to be #1 so I guess he has to win..

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:32 AM
Not a huge surprise though Layla, same thing happened at the US Open. It certainly is a surprise if Ferrero was playing as badly as you say he was against Nalbandian, but hey... either the rhythm of Agassi suits him (Andre not as fast or as good in defence as Dave), or else he's realised how much he wants the top spot. The fact that it's being played in cooler conditions at night might help him too...

He was, believe me he was. He even said it himself in the post-match interview. He said he hadn't played like that all year. His assessment was the same as mine then. ;)

Have you noticed that all the day matches were pretty awful, ranging from the excruciatingly boring to the mildly interesting, whereas the night matches have been great so far.

Aurora
11-13-2003, 12:33 AM
Going pretty smooth... Keep it coming, keep it coming Mr. Ferrero!

Leo
11-13-2003, 12:34 AM
I'm afraid to follow scores. Could he repeat his miserable performance against Nalbandian? Even if he wins tonight, I doubt that he'll defeat a confident federer in the next RR match. Oh well, he screwed himself.

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:34 AM
Hi Layla!! I like Ferrero, but I also like Andre so I'm torn between the two lol.. and to see Agassi dominated like this loll... but I want Ferrero to be #1 so I guess he has to win..

Well, at least we have a common goal. ;)

Leo
11-13-2003, 12:35 AM
Wow, just as I said that, I found out that he won the first set in 23 minutes! :eek: Disregard my last post. ;)

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:35 AM
OK I want a tight match now!!
Agassi serving to start the set!
15-0 great serve
Agassi stop making those UFES! 15-15
30-15 another great serve
30-30 long rally there
40-30 lol the serve
game Agassi second ace for andre! 1-0

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:36 AM
Ah, come on Leo. As a Federer fan I'm getting worried that if Ferrero is suddenly beating Agassi this comfortably he could run straight through Federer, who doesn't have to beat him to make the semis so may not give 100%. Personally I hope he does since that would put him in the hunt for no. 2, but hey... we can agree to disagree on that.

On night matches, I think greater crowd atmosphere (due to involvement of Americans) + plus cooler, more tolerable playing conditions = better quality matches all round.

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 12:37 AM
oh oh 15-40 :mad:

time for Slime refill :o

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:38 AM
OK, you discounted your post anyway I see - sensible. ;)

Aurora
11-13-2003, 12:39 AM
Going too smooth I guess... keep the concentration up JC! Wake up call for Mr. Ferrero!

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 12:40 AM
phew....... good thing :)
Sushi refilled :)

now to slime him completely :)
Vamos Sushi :)
1-1

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:40 AM
Ha ha, just as I say Leo shouldn't be worrying Ferrero goes 15-40 down. Still held, though.

Leo
11-13-2003, 12:40 AM
You realise if Agassi does lose here and Scud plays in his place, that will virtually guarantee Nalbandian a spot in the semis? Not to do Philippoussis down or anything, azza could be on here and I'd hate to do that, but judging by their US Open match Big Dave has the beating of him too.

I don't think pull out. It's different circumstances than last year. This year he's in the US, he's fresh (having not played a match in Europe this fall), and he's not concentrated on the #1 ranking.

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:40 AM
Ferrero serving 0-1...
0-15 great play by AA
wow ace! 15-15
15-30 Ferrero misses
15-40 double break point.. Ferrero misses again..
30-40 Ferrero aggressive
Ferrero misses a lot of his 1st serves...
deuce wide Agassi
wow AD Ferrero great shot
game JC 1-1!

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:41 AM
Ah, come on Leo. As a Federer fan I'm getting worried that if Ferrero is suddenly beating Agassi this comfortably he could run straight through Federer, who doesn't have to beat him to make the semis so may not give 100%. Personally I hope he does since that would put him in the hunt for no. 2, but hey... we can agree to disagree on that.

On night matches, I think greater crowd atmosphere (due to involvement of Americans) + plus cooler, more tolerable playing conditions = better quality matches all round.

It's not the night matches that are an aberration, it's the day matches that are astonishingly bad. In every one of them, at least one player sucked like he's never sucked before, and in the case of Rainer and Coria, they both did. Unusually awful tennis for such a championship. I'm a huge fan of Rainer, and if it wasn't for that, I would have switched off that tv, because that match was unbearable.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:43 AM
I don't think pull out. It's different circumstances than last year. This year he's in the US, he's fresh (having not played a match in Europe this fall), and he's not concentrated on the #1 ranking.

True, but he's said himself that the reason why he finds the round-robin format tricky is that he feels that once he loses a match he should be out of the tournament, rather than coming back to play with a second chance to win - hence his reluctance to play meaningless matches and his determination in previous years to go undefeated in the group stage, which has cost him physically in the final (e.g. 1999 and 2000, where he lost in straight sets to players whom he'd beaten easily in the RR).

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:43 AM
Agassi serving 1-1
15-0 good tactic
15-15 hhmmm bad bad bad
15-30 whoa! JC!!!
30-30
40-30 hot serve
great 2nd serve, 2-1 AA!

Leo
11-13-2003, 12:44 AM
Ah, come on Leo. As a Federer fan I'm getting worried that if Ferrero is suddenly beating Agassi this comfortably he could run straight through Federer, who doesn't have to beat him to make the semis so may not give 100%. Personally I hope he does since that would put him in the hunt for no. 2, but hey... we can agree to disagree on that.

I think Federer would give it 100% for two reasons: 1) A win this week over Ferrero would certainly help the next time they play, when Federer might have more to gain, and 2) He wants in the hunt for the #2 ranking. Roger says that he doesn't care about the rankings, but I don't buy it.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:46 AM
Ferrero winning 88% of points on first serve and 67% on his second - not bad, really...

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:46 AM
Ouch! Agassi broke the racquet against his led quite violently. :eek: I didn't see this coming. He only missed one shot in the middle of Ferrero's service game, not the time to be furious. :confused:

Leo
11-13-2003, 12:47 AM
It's not the night matches that are an aberration, it's the day matches that are astonishingly bad. In every one of them, at least one player sucked like he's never sucked before, and in the case of Rainer and Coria, they both did. Unusually awful tennis for such a championship. I'm a huge fan of Rainer, and if it wasn't for that, I would have switched off that tv, because that match was unbearable.

According to a poster on GM, David also sucked in his day match two days ago. Supposedly he had 19 ufes in that first set but still won it easily! :eek:

Don't make this complicated, Juan Carlos, please! I was a bundle of nerves in their last match at the US Open, even when Ferrero had the two set lead.

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:47 AM
I also think Roger wants to be #2, but I guess we'll see... I would have loved him to be #1, just like Guga in 2000 when everyone thought he was out of it...

Aurora
11-13-2003, 12:48 AM
Can't really picture that happening actually... I see him as a little agile gnome with the grin

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:48 AM
Interesting Layla, it shows that Agassi really is fired-up and intense for this match - and I'm not sure that's helping him, he had the same pumped-up, almost fanatical attitude in the match last year and his performance was so up and down because of it. Ferrero just has to weather the storm.

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:50 AM
OK here's my 900th post!!!!!

Agassi not concentrated, not happy..
0-15...
0-30
15-30
30-30 crowd happy lol...
40-30 Agassi still there!
game AA! 3-2

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:50 AM
According to a poster on GM, David also sucked in his day match two days ago. Supposedly he had 19 ufes in that first set but still won it easily! :eek:

Don't make this complicated, Juan Carlos, please! I was a bundle of nerves in their last match at the US Open, even when Ferrero had the two set lead.

I wouldn't say he sucked, or if he did, that fact was overshadowed by Ferrero's abominable performance, but he certainly didn't play well in the first set. Eugh, that match will forever give me nightmares. *shiver*

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:51 AM
Congrats Billabong, now you have the right idea - these game by game descriptions do notch up the posts very quickly...

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 12:51 AM
Agassi fighting :eek:
not something you see every day

Leo
11-13-2003, 12:51 AM
Oh, have I mentioned how nice a venue this is? They should have a yearly tournament in Houston because its really nice. Kind of reminds me of Indian Wells. Only problem is the shitty weather.

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:52 AM
I agree with Layla, Ferrero was terrible.. but Nalbandian really didn't play well too!

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:54 AM
lol sjengster, you're right!!! I love to do it when there are great matches like this.. but most of my posts are in the Guga thread!

Ferrero holding so easily.. 40-0
3-3

Leo
11-13-2003, 12:54 AM
I wouldn't say he sucked, or if he did, that fact was overshadowed by Ferrero's abominable performance, but he certainly didn't play well in the first set. Eugh, that match will forever give me nightmares. *shiver*

Well then, I'm actually releaved that ESPN didn't cover that match on Day 1. Of course, the reason for that was because they instead showed live coverage of the women's final, which was equally nightmarish for me. 2 games, Amelie?! :sad: :mad:

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:55 AM
Congrats Billabong, now you have the right idea - these game by game descriptions do notch up the posts very quickly...

Are we in some sort of competition? If so, you'll never catch me. :p

Leo
11-13-2003, 12:56 AM
Ferrero's serve has seriously been up and down these past couple months. He seemed to be serving well in Madrid, but, according to him, he served horribly in his Paris loss to Novak and to Nalbandian the other day. But today is a different story, thankfully. :d

star
11-13-2003, 12:56 AM
Oh, have I mentioned how nice a venue this is? They should have a yearly tournament in Houston because its really nice. Kind of reminds me of Indian Wells. Only problem is the shitty weather.

The stadium reminds you of Indian Wells?

They do have a yearly tournament in Houston now. The U.S. Claycourt championships have been played there for about 3 years now.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:56 AM
Are we in some sort of competition? If so, you'll never catch me. :p

So true Layla, so true. :sad: ;)

star
11-13-2003, 12:57 AM
The scoreboard isn't working for me, so scores are appreciated.

Thanks in advance. :)

Billabong
11-13-2003, 12:58 AM
LOL...

wow in the first set, Ferrero won 27 points, compared to 14 for Agassi! almost 2 times the amount of points!
4-3 Agassi Ferrero serving..
15-0 long rally Ferrero aggressive!

Leo
11-13-2003, 12:58 AM
The stadium reminds you of Indian Wells?

They do have a yearly tournament in Houston now. The U.S. Claycourt championships have been played there for about 3 years now.

I don't know why but this stadium gives me a similar vibe.

Oh, true. I forgot about the U.S. Claycourt Champs. Well, they should scrap the clay and keep this court.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 12:59 AM
Star, it's 15-0 on Ferrero's serve at 6-2, 3-4.

Layla
11-13-2003, 12:59 AM
Oh dear, he's even playing with Agassi now. That drop shot and lob will surely make him furious. :eek:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 01:00 AM
30-0.
40-0... nah, doing it in the same post will never get my total up.

OK, I'm labouring the point now aren't I?

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:01 AM
See? From 40-0 to 40-40. He shouldn't have been playing with Andre.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 01:01 AM
...and now deuce, eek.

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:01 AM
30-0.
40-0... nah, doing it in the same post will never get my total up.

OK, I'm labouring the point now aren't I?

Not yet, not yet. Keep working at it. ;)

Ouch, a break point! :(

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 01:02 AM
oh great Sushi cocked it up :mad:

3-5 :mad:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 01:02 AM
Not smart, Ferrero, not smart at all. If he loses the match then that game will be the turning point.

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:03 AM
:sad: Mark my words. It all went downhill after that cheeky rally. Aaaargh, I want to bite something! :mad:

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 01:03 AM
Andre breaks to take the lead...serving for the set

star
11-13-2003, 01:03 AM
I don't know why but this stadium gives me a similar vibe.

Oh, true. I forgot about the U.S. Claycourt Champs. Well, they should scrap the clay and keep this court.

I hear that the claycourt is under this court.

I love that claycourt. It's imported from France and they even have a groundskeeper from Roland Garros come to oversee it.

Billabong
11-13-2003, 01:03 AM
incredible!!! Agassi came back from 0-40 to break and lead 5-3.. this could change the match!!! What will happen next? suspense suspense suspense.. this match certainly deserves a third set, no?

Aurora
11-13-2003, 01:03 AM
there is hope 0-15

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:04 AM
Can't belive he lost the game from 40-0 up! :rolleyes:

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 01:05 AM
Agassi 30-15

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 01:06 AM
set all 3-6 :fiery:

Leo
11-13-2003, 01:06 AM
:confused:

Billabong
11-13-2003, 01:06 AM
2 set points for Agassi..
misses the first one on a DF! terrible..
and AA takes it, 6-3

Aurora
11-13-2003, 01:06 AM
The horror, the horror

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:07 AM
I'm actually furious with Juanqui. :fiery: He's awakened the lion, the foolish lad. He should've known better.

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 01:07 AM
Andre wins second set 6-3. Alright I'm heading off...I don't want to know the third set result until I see it on TV.

Aurora
11-13-2003, 01:08 AM
Now you got me nervous JC. Keep that serve up and the gnome down.

star
11-13-2003, 01:08 AM
Somebody please 'splain what happened!

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:10 AM
Somebody please 'splain what happened!

What do you mean?

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 01:11 AM
Star doesn't know the score. It's a set all, 1-0 Ferrero - with the aid of two aces, no less.

Aurora
11-13-2003, 01:14 AM
I'm afraid, very afraid

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:14 AM
Oh, I see. Sorry. :o

I'm really, rally nervous now.

1-1

Aurora
11-13-2003, 01:16 AM
2 bp's for agassi

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 01:17 AM
i swear if Simon Reed wasn't up Agassi's backside before, he certainly is now

1-2* :mad:

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:17 AM
*insert multiple swear-words here*

I think it's all over now, but I hope Juanqui continues to fight. Don't be an idiot like me, never give up!

Billabong
11-13-2003, 01:17 AM
What a momentum change! Agassi seems increasingly confident, while Ferrero feels all the pressure! 2-1 Ag up a break!

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:18 AM
i swear if Simon Reed wasn't up Agassi's backside before, he certainly is now

1-2* :mad:

I'm sorry, but he's never left. I adore the Eurosport commentators, with the sole exception - when Agassi is playing.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 01:19 AM
Aaargghhh! :mad: Roddick is getting ready to put Agassi top of his Christmas card list this December...

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:19 AM
You can tell the match isn't going well by the volume of the crowd. I feel nautious.

star
11-13-2003, 01:20 AM
What do you mean?

I mean what was the exchange you think was foolish. What wakened the lion?

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 01:20 AM
they got the wrong EX-President there
pfffffffffff Geroge Bush the Wanker is there

where's Clinton ???

Leo
11-13-2003, 01:22 AM
they got the wrong EX-President there
pfffffffffff Geroge Bush the Wanker is there

where's Clinton ???

:lol:

Oh Juan Carlos, you are driving me bonkers. Just win Davis Cup, then, kay. ;)

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 01:23 AM
oh great

Ferrero loses this, he's out :mad:
Roddick gets drunk tonight :lol: and wakes up and plays Shitter like a pansy which puts Carlos in shit too :mad:

could things get any worse ?? (Carlos losing would really top it off, but not worth thinking over)

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:23 AM
I mean what was the exchange you think was foolish. What wakened the lion?

Oh, alright. It wasn't much, but Ferrero hit a silly dropshot (wasn't all that good), Agassi got it, then Ferrero hit a lob Agassi couldn't reach. It was the manner in which it was played. Ferrero played it so non-challantly, as if he was enjoying toying with Agassi. It cost him dearly, because Agassi simply will not take that. Everything turned around since then. It's not every day you lose your service game from 40-0 up.

Billabong
11-13-2003, 01:23 AM
Agassi is playing incredibly well at the moment..
3-1 Ferrero serving..
0-15
15-15
15-30 arrrgghh I don't want Roddick to be #1!
30-30 great serve, Agassi screaming loll
still no 1st serve..
40-30 poor return
still no 1st serve lol
game Ferrero 2-3

Leo
11-13-2003, 01:25 AM
Thank goodness he won that game. Hope remains.

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 01:25 AM
here's me thinking that only Carlos Moya had the patent of losing games when 40-0 up repeatedly :o

guess he passed it onto Ferrero too :mad:

Aurora
11-13-2003, 01:26 AM
my break-mantra is going nuts in my head...

Scotso
11-13-2003, 01:29 AM
fight idiot :mad:

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:29 AM
Phew, Juanqui holds to love. :) 3-4*

KarstenBraasch#1
11-13-2003, 01:30 AM
If Andre wins, the group will be the same as last week's Justine-group: Roger 1st, JC 4th, Andre and David battling for the 2nd spot.

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 01:31 AM
time for more Slime........... Slime Power

go Sushi, slime him :devil:

KarstenBraasch#1
11-13-2003, 01:32 AM
Sorry but I'm not up-to-date: If JCF is out, Andy is guaranteed to finish no 1 ?

Aurora
11-13-2003, 01:32 AM
break break break break break break break break break break break

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:32 AM
Vamos Juanqui, it's not over yet! We need a miracle!

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 01:33 AM
I should think so, GoDom, I should think so.

Aurora
11-13-2003, 01:33 AM
or don't break ... maybe JC is still playing with the gnome?!

Billabong
11-13-2003, 01:33 AM
Agassi serving bombs today.. and he leads 5-3, 1 game away from giving the #1 to Rod! NOOO not that!

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 01:33 AM
Sorry but I'm not up-to-date: If JCF is out, Andy is guaranteed to finish no 1 ?

yes :sad: :sad: :help:

star
11-13-2003, 01:33 AM
Thank you, Layla. :)

croat123
11-13-2003, 01:33 AM
yup, if jcf messes this up roddick will be number "1" (altho federer deserves it more)

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 01:34 AM
It strikes me that this match has been ridiculously fast, it's 5-3 Agassi in the third and we haven't even been going an hour and a half yet. Just shows that Ferrero won the first set too easily, he wasn't prepared for the fightback that was to come...

star
11-13-2003, 01:34 AM
Please notice, I am not rooting for Agassi. :)

Scotso
11-13-2003, 01:34 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

why did Juanqui even come if he doesn't want to win :mad:

star
11-13-2003, 01:35 AM
yup, if jcf messes this up roddick will be number "1" (altho federer deserves it more)

Oh, Croat! Isn't it true that even Jonas Bjorkman deserves it more?

:lol:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 01:35 AM
yup, if jcf messes this up roddick will be number "1" (altho federer deserves it more)

I like Federer more than I could ever possibly like Roddick, but even I know that's not true.

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:35 AM
Alright, Ferrero holds to love. :)

Now choke like you did on Monday, Andre! ;)

KarstenBraasch#1
11-13-2003, 01:35 AM
Ugh. Go JCF. :scared:

liS@
11-13-2003, 01:35 AM
OMG!! there's major storm in S. Cali rite now and the lights just went out!! maybe the Delayed ESPN coverage was not such a bad idea after all...

Great...AA is serving for Andy's No.1 ranking... :(

croat123
11-13-2003, 01:36 AM
Oh, Croat! Isn't it true that even Jonas Bjorkman deserves it more?

:lol:
him too

and the other 3000 players on tour :o ;)

croat123
11-13-2003, 01:37 AM
fight juan!!!!!!

england_rules
11-13-2003, 01:38 AM
30-0 :rolleyes:

Billabong
11-13-2003, 01:39 AM
Agassi serving for the match at 5-4...
(I never thought I would say this 1 hour ago)
15-0 great rally Agassi
30-0 bad return of 2nd serve..
40-0 ace #8
triple match point...
15-40 lol ferrero
and he wins, 2-6, 6-3, 6-4!

Aurora
11-13-2003, 01:39 AM
:sad:

croat123
11-13-2003, 01:39 AM
15-0 (god damn it, that was too good)
30-0 (what a stupid return....just get it back)
:fiery: ace 40-0
phew.. 40-15
damn
and roddick is number 1 :o

TheBoiledEgg
11-13-2003, 01:39 AM
Ferrero should go to Australia now and leave Scud here for another 2 days :devil:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 01:39 AM
...and just like that, Roddick is no. 1.

Anyone want to get the party started? Hmm... didn't think so somehow.

Scotso
11-13-2003, 01:39 AM
:lol: @ stupid JC

:lol: @ Roddick #1

*waits for 2004 when things go back to normal, i.e. Roddick back to #30 or so*

KarstenBraasch#1
11-13-2003, 01:40 AM
Pfffffff.

Billabong
11-13-2003, 01:41 AM
Yiiissshh Roddick is #1...
Can you believe that Ferrero won a total of 75 points, while Agassi has 69??? strange...

selesfan
11-13-2003, 01:41 AM
Andre :bounce:

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 01:41 AM
Should be interesting to set a timer to see just how long it takes ATPTennis.com to update the fact that Roddick is now no. 1. Not long, methinks.

liS@
11-13-2003, 01:41 AM
Ferrero should go to Australia now and leave Scud here for another 2 days :devil:


ahahahaha!! that is a great idea!! sounds like something Andre would do... :o

rogicomel
11-13-2003, 01:42 AM
Go Agassi! Take the match!

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:42 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I don't know what to say. :sad::sad::sad: Not only is Ferrero out of the cup, he's out of the race for the number one spot and Roddick... well, isn't. :mad: Could it get much worse than this? Not for me.

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 01:44 AM
It's on there already, I just checked. Incredible...

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:44 AM
...and just like that, Roddick is no. 1.

Anyone want to get the party started? Hmm... didn't think so somehow.

Is this a shooting party? I'm in the mood for a duck-hunt. ;)

liS@
11-13-2003, 01:44 AM
haha sjenster, you will be glad to know the ATP site has been updated... :rolleyes:

Layla
11-13-2003, 01:45 AM
It's on there already, I just checked. Incredible...

Oh brilliant! :rolleyes:

rogicomel
11-13-2003, 01:45 AM
Thanks Andre, now Rogi is on the verge of semifinals appearance! Yoo hoooo!!!!! (I don't give a damn if Roddork is the world no1, it wont last more than two months -- take my words!)

Aurora
11-13-2003, 01:46 AM
Now I don't really have to see any tennis anymore
:mad: *$@絣%§$ stupid sport with *$@絣%§$ stupid #1

star
11-13-2003, 01:46 AM
Hey!

I'll start the party!!!! :woohoo:

:aparty: :yippee: :dance: :rocker:

rogicomel
11-13-2003, 01:49 AM
Yes!!!!!!!!!!! Rogi in the semis!!!!!!! But don't stop the winning form coz every point counts to close the gap w Roddork!


HOPP ROGI!!!!!!!!!

Roland
11-13-2003, 02:12 AM
Federer could possibly move to number two if he goes undefeated and wins the cup, right?

WyverN
11-13-2003, 02:13 AM
Yes but he has to defeat Ferrero tomorrow

Jorge
11-13-2003, 02:22 AM
well done, Andre :banana:
ˇAdiós Juanito! :D

Tricky_Forehand
11-13-2003, 02:26 AM
First, it really sucks to be living in Los Angeles right now. Anyone who's living here probably knows what I'm talking about :mad: .

Anyway, just before my power went out (for an hour...just came back on) the scoreboard showed that Andre had just broken Juan Carlos and gone up 2-1 in the 3rd!! I cursed Juan Carlos!! I didn't take the chance to sign on till after the first set and look what happened :sad: . The match is going to be on ESPN in about seven minutes but I thought I would post my frustration now.

Today was a BAD day in so many ways. But especially in Tennis terms. First, David gets bageled and goes 1-1 and now Juan Carlos goes 0-2 with no chance at ending #1 and letting Junior have it AND I'm guessing that the 2nd SF position will be decided between David and Andre :banghead:

GO RAINER!! GO DAVID!! GO GUILLE!!

Tricky_Forehand
11-13-2003, 02:33 AM
Should be interesting to set a timer to see just how long it takes ATPTennis.com to update the fact that Roddick is now no. 1. Not long, methinks.

OH, but according to the ATP CEO they would never show favoritism in the ATP for those at the top :rolleyes: .

I don't think Roddick will stay #1 for long but it's just the fact that he ends 2003 as #1. It was already the all-Roddick Wimbledon here and with ESPN having 3 of the 4 Slams it's not looking good for those of us who like other players (Americans or not) :p .

Now waiting for college football to end to see how in the heck Juan Carlos lost it!! :fiery:

Tricky_Forehand
11-13-2003, 02:40 AM
yup, if jcf messes this up roddick will be number "1" (altho federer deserves it more)

I have to agree with that. As much as that match saddened me earlier and the quality was less than great I have to admit that Roger has definitely gone to Houston with a mission :D . He'll take that #1 from Roddick the first chance he gets, I have no doubt. I just wish that Juan Carlos had won tonight with a chance at #1 because, for most of the year, he played like the #1.

This whole day sucks!! :sad: :sad:

Well, ESPN is on. I guess I better prepare myself for screaming idiots :rolleyes:

Tricky_Forehand
11-13-2003, 04:30 AM
OK, so I just finished watching Juan Carlos lose (or Andre win depending on how one looks at it ;) ) and one thing above everything frustrates me. Juan Carlos played a good match!!!

It wasn't like he played badly in that third set to lose but, for some reason, he just couldn't play the big points like he needed to. I'm so frustrated!! :mad:

C'mon Rainer!! C'mon David!! C'mon Guille!!

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 04:34 AM
aww give Andre some credit. He's 10 years older and was able to completely turn that match around. HE stepped it up and won, Juan Carlos didn't lose it (to his credit).

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 04:38 AM
Congrats Andre!! :D

Tricky_Forehand
11-13-2003, 07:25 AM
aww give Andre some credit. He's 10 years older and was able to completely turn that match around. HE stepped it up and won, Juan Carlos didn't lose it (to his credit).

:o Oh, I didn't mean to insinuate that Juan Carlos lost it rather than Andre winning it. I was rooting for Juan Carlos so that's why I worded it the way I did but that's also why I'm so frustrated. I hate when this happens for any of my favorites in a match. They play this good or decent match and still lose :banghead: . I know it's all a part of the game and I enjoy almost every aspect (sans TV coverage...lol)...frustration and all :D .

This has to to be the first tournament where I haven't rooted for Andre even once. I wanted Roger to win in the first one (in order to play David but we all know how that turned out...lol) and then tonight I wanted Juan Carlos to win for 2 reasons:

1) To still have a chance at year-end #1
2) To have a chance at getting into the SFs

Needless to say Juan Carlos is going to be one ticked off man leaving Houston but hopefully he can use that to come back strong in 2004. At this point, I won't be surprised if he does skip the Aussie Open.