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of these big servers, who had the most talent?

World Beater
12-14-2005, 01:22 AM
i am listing players who have as their #1 weapon, the serve and the rest of their arsenal is much weaker.

so none of the greats with big serves are considered.

ivanisevic
krajicek
rusedski
tanner
phillippoussis
ljubicic
roddick
todd martin


also this is a question of talent, not achievement.

i would have made a poll...but i dont know how too.

Federerthebest
12-14-2005, 01:24 AM
Philippoussis, the others in the list don't even come close

jtipson
12-14-2005, 04:27 PM
I would have put Sampras in this list too.

World Beater
12-14-2005, 04:34 PM
I would have put Sampras in this list too.

well he has other tools though and was more mentally tough...it would have been a wash, if he was in it though


i actually like krajicek in this one.

Trivial
12-14-2005, 04:35 PM
Huh? Isnt the list you have posted a list of players who should NOT be considered? :confused:

adee-gee
12-14-2005, 04:38 PM
Todd Martin probably.

He wasn't as big a server as the rest on the list. He had great feel on his volleys, and his groundies were solid on both wings.

World Beater
12-14-2005, 04:40 PM
Huh? Isnt the list you have posted a list of players who should NOT be considered? :confused:

none of them were true greats...

otherwise, we could include becker, sampras etc.

they did not win multiple slams

AgassiDomination
12-14-2005, 04:50 PM
Roddick

Trivial
12-14-2005, 04:53 PM
Roddick

Have to agree, maybe has a poor backhand but his forehand is definetly a weapon.

Frederick16
12-14-2005, 06:05 PM
krajicek. best head 2 head against sampras and agassi. won titels on all surfaces!! very underestimated always!!

DrJules
12-14-2005, 06:22 PM
Why is Richard Krajicek on this list. He is the only who went on court against Pete Sampras expecting to win.

Richard Krajicek (NED) vs. Pete Sampras (USA)
1993-03-08 Key Biscayne Hardcourt QF Pete Sampras (USA) 6-3 7-6(7)
1993-08-02 Los Angeles Hardcourt SF Richard Krajicek (NED) 6-4 3-6 7-6(3)
1994-07-15 Davis Cup (WG-QF) NED vs. USA Hardcourt RR Richard Krajicek (NED) 2-6 7-5 7-6 7-5
1994-10-31 Paris Indoor Carpet R16 Pete Sampras (USA) 6-4 7-6(3)
1996-06-24 Wimbledon Grass QF Richard Krajicek (NED) 7-5 7-6(3) 6-4
1997-10-20 Stuttgart Indoor Carpet R16 Richard Krajicek (NED) 6-4 6-4
1998-10-26 Stuttgart Indoor Carpet SF Richard Krajicek (NED) 6-7(2) 6-4 7-6(5)
1999-03-15 Key Biscayne Hardcourt QF Richard Krajicek (NED) 6-2 7-6(6)
1999-08-09 Cincinnati Hardcourt QF Pete Sampras (USA) 6-4 6-2
2000-08-28 U.S. Open Hardcourt QF Pete Sampras (USA) 4-6 7-6(6) 6-4 6-2
Richard Krajicek (NED) leads 6:4 (winning 6 out of 7 from Aug1993-Mar1999)

World Beater
12-14-2005, 07:10 PM
Why is Richard Krajicek on this list. He is the only who went on court against Pete Sampras expecting to win.

Richard Krajicek (NED) vs. Pete Sampras (USA)
1993-03-08 Key Biscayne Hardcourt QF Pete Sampras (USA) 6-3 7-6(7)
1993-08-02 Los Angeles Hardcourt SF Richard Krajicek (NED) 6-4 3-6 7-6(3)
1994-07-15 Davis Cup (WG-QF) NED vs. USA Hardcourt RR Richard Krajicek (NED) 2-6 7-5 7-6 7-5
1994-10-31 Paris Indoor Carpet R16 Pete Sampras (USA) 6-4 7-6(3)
1996-06-24 Wimbledon Grass QF Richard Krajicek (NED) 7-5 7-6(3) 6-4
1997-10-20 Stuttgart Indoor Carpet R16 Richard Krajicek (NED) 6-4 6-4
1998-10-26 Stuttgart Indoor Carpet SF Richard Krajicek (NED) 6-7(2) 6-4 7-6(5)
1999-03-15 Key Biscayne Hardcourt QF Richard Krajicek (NED) 6-2 7-6(6)
1999-08-09 Cincinnati Hardcourt QF Pete Sampras (USA) 6-4 6-2
2000-08-28 U.S. Open Hardcourt QF Pete Sampras (USA) 4-6 7-6(6) 6-4 6-2
Richard Krajicek (NED) leads 6:4 (winning 6 out of 7 from Aug1993-Mar1999)

the fact that he beat sampras had nothing to do with the purpose of the thread. he still won one grand slam and had his mental difficulties with other players esp courier and goran. all the guys on the list have big serves but the rest of their game was meek in comparison. i feel that if richard had some luck with his injuries and he was stronger mentally, he would have been more special.

DrJules
12-14-2005, 07:55 PM
the fact that he beat sampras had nothing to do with the purpose of the thread. he still won one grand slam and had his mental difficulties with other players esp courier and goran. all the guys on the list have big serves but the rest of their game was meek in comparison. i feel that if richard had some luck with his injuries and he was stronger mentally, he would have been more special.

Agreed the thread was not about that he beat Sampras, but you do need far more than a serve to be that successful against Sampras. Richard of course had a very good forehand and had a good net game. Injuries were the main limitation rather than mental issues.

World Beater
12-14-2005, 08:00 PM
Agreed the thread was not about that he beat Sampras, but you do need far more than a serve to be that successful against Sampras. Richard of course had a very good forehand and had a good net game. Injuries were the main limitation rather than mental issues.

right, but he should have been more consistent

everybody on the list has their serve as the primary weapon. they have others too or else they wouldnt be as good. but these other tools are nowhere near as consistent.

when flip was on, he could blow anyone off the baseline with his groundstrokes. but most of the time he misfired.

goran was very similar and so was todd martin.

krajicek coughed up a bunch of matches he should have won. i remember most notably his match against edberg at the uso. he had a break in the fifth and still lost it. he lost a lot of close matches against goran esp in wimbledon.

the match against sampras at the usopen, he should have won as well. he had 4 set pts in the tie break

Dirk
12-14-2005, 08:12 PM
Goran and Richard were great volleyers and accomplished beyond their lone slam titles at Wimbledon. Richard had a great game overall but suffered from the giant syndrome and got some injuries otherwise he would have likely won more slam titles. Richard could also play on clay.

ReturnWinner
12-14-2005, 08:20 PM
Krajicek and ToDD Martin.

todd was a good returner, a good volleyer and a good baseliner

World Beater
12-14-2005, 08:25 PM
Goran and Richard were great volleyers and accomplished beyond their lone slam titles at Wimbledon. Richard had a great game overall but suffered from the giant syndrome and got some injuries otherwise he would have likely won more slam titles. Richard could also play on clay.

goran was good but i think that richard was probably better on the volleys. but one interesting thing was that richard could never really beat goran. goran could never beat sampras, but richard beat sampras.

someone explain the triangle that is a conundrum.

Dirk
12-14-2005, 08:41 PM
goran was good but i think that richard was probably better on the volleys. but one interesting thing was that richard could never really beat goran. goran could never beat sampras, but richard beat sampras.

someone explain the triangle that is a conundrum.

That is funny when you think about it. :lol: Stich also had a winning record over Sampras. How was his record over Goran and Richard?

Mark was also very gifted but didn't have the champion mindset. It is sad every time I see that Roger Mark Wimbledon 03 match and see Mark say " I'll be back" I know it won't ever be true, but at the time I thought he was coming back.

prima donna
12-14-2005, 09:04 PM
Todd Martin probably.

He wasn't as big a server as the rest on the list. He had great feel on his volleys, and his groundies were solid on both wings.
:lol: :lol:

prima donna
12-14-2005, 09:06 PM
Richard Krajicek by far, atleast in my personal opinion.

The man owned Sampras in their H2H, also making Roland Garros SF, which speaks volumes for the other aspects of his game.

Seriously underrated he was and remains.

World Beater
12-14-2005, 10:57 PM
That is funny when you think about it. :lol: Stich also had a winning record over Sampras. How was his record over Goran and Richard?

Mark was also very gifted but didn't have the champion mindset. It is sad every time I see that Roger Mark Wimbledon 03 match and see Mark say " I'll be back" I know it won't ever be true, but at the time I thought he was coming back.

interesting ones.

stich lead krajicek 8-6...although krajicek won the last three
stich leads goran 5-2

becker leads goran 10-9
becker leads stich 8-4
becker tied with krajicek 4-4
sampras leads becker 12-7

Fergie
12-15-2005, 12:09 AM
Richard Krajicek :)

prima donna
12-15-2005, 12:16 AM
Richard Krajicek :)
This is exactly why I broke from my tradition of not giving out reps.

Fergie has such good taste.

:worship: :worship:

Dirk
12-15-2005, 02:56 AM
Yes she does. I am going to good rep her too. WHAT A SIGGY!!!!!!!!!! :) :)

Dirk
12-15-2005, 02:57 AM
Sorry Fergie I need to give out my rep before I can give it to you again. ;)

mojo37_12
12-15-2005, 03:35 AM
Have to agree, maybe has a poor backhand but his forehand is definetly a weapon.

Roddick has a good forehand... therefore we can remove him from the list NOW!!! :(

Marat Safinator
12-15-2005, 11:03 AM
ivanisevic hands down! Greatest server of all time and people under estimate his ground strokes and volleys. His forehand technique is different but he can hit come screamers. His volley's are crip. His backhand is very controlled but lacks power. :rocker: to ivanisevic!

Puschkin
12-15-2005, 11:11 AM
Krajicek, followed by Ivanisevic.

Rex
12-15-2005, 08:45 PM
a rod

shotgun
12-15-2005, 08:51 PM
Flip is the most talented of the bunch, followed by Krajicek.

almouchie
12-15-2005, 09:38 PM
what the purpose of the comparison, that these players had only serve as their main weapon

plz keep PETE out of this sort of comparion. he is a legen d & deserve more repect & dues for all his acheivement
Ivanisevic had a great game but was mainly focused on wimby

World Beater
12-16-2005, 07:24 AM
what the heck are you talking about...pete is nowhere to be found here.

celia
12-16-2005, 07:40 AM
where's Rafter? :confused:

damn i miss that hunk. what a sweet piece of Aussie ass. hmmmm :lick: