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What is Federer's chance in the Australian open?

sssss
12-13-2005, 03:28 AM
The rebound ace seems to suite Nadal's game better than Federer. Therefore, Nadal would be the strong favorite for the Australian open next month. Is Federer capable of winning the tournament considering the present competition level and his challengers? Above all, is he capable of beating Nadal on the surface?

alfonsojose
12-13-2005, 03:32 AM
ssssssszzzzzz :zzz: wake up

Phunkadelicious
12-13-2005, 03:34 AM
ssssssszzzzzz :zzz: wake up
i think this just about sums it up

Chloe le Bopper
12-13-2005, 03:38 AM
Ugh.

Can we just give these threads their own forum already?

My brain hurts.

sssss
12-13-2005, 03:51 AM
I can't understand what is wrong in my thread. I feel it's a realistic discussion. Though Federer is the world number one but still the Australian open surface, because of it's slowness and high bounce does naturally suit to his arch rival Nadal who excells in such conditions. Therefore, Nadal has a far better chance here than Federer. Also there are other players like Safin, Hewitt, Nalbandian etc who can play well on this surface and are capable of beating Federer here. Therefore, it won't be easy, though not impossible for Federer to win the AO at any cost. So, I would like to know how others think of his chances?

Federerthebest
12-13-2005, 04:00 AM
Nadal is the 'strong favourite'? :lol: :retard:

faboozadoo15
12-13-2005, 04:10 AM
i'd say federer vs the field is a better than 50% bet.

drf716
12-13-2005, 05:37 AM
i wouldn't want him to start the year so great again
umm. but his chances are great

Chloe le Bopper
12-13-2005, 05:52 AM
I can't understand what is wrong in my thread. I feel it's a realistic discussion. Though Federer is the world number one but still the Australian open surface, because of it's slowness and high bounce does naturally suit to his arch rival Nadal who excells in such conditions. Therefore, Nadal has a far better chance here than Federer. Also there are other players like Safin, Hewitt, Nalbandian etc who can play well on this surface and are capable of beating Federer here. Therefore, it won't be easy, though not impossible for Federer to win the AO at any cost. So, I would like to know how others think of his chances?
I think that "far better chance" is stretching it, maybe just a little! Especially when you consider that it's a title Federer has won before.

mojo37_12
12-13-2005, 06:04 AM
Nadal... favorite?! :rolls:
Cmon...

TheMightyFed
12-13-2005, 08:11 AM
Nadal should have a chance, now Federer on hard court is always favorite since end 2003.

bokehlicious
12-13-2005, 08:21 AM
Nadal has a far better chance here than Federer.

Federer has won everything on hard and is stronger now than ever !!! Nadal has everything to prove on every surfaces except clay...

I don't know why I answer to those troll fed-bashing threads :rolleyes: :angel:

Galaxystorm
12-13-2005, 10:33 AM
Nadal has everything to prove on every surfaces except clay...

I don't know why I answer to those troll fed-bashing threads :rolleyes: :angel:

I don't know why i answer these Nadal-bashing messages :lol:

You're right mate, he's just a claycouter :retard: :retard:

Jimnik
12-13-2005, 11:48 AM
We've got some very sensitive Federer fans here.
I'll enjoy bumping up this thread if Rafa does win the AO. I agree he's not the favourite but I would still fancy Rafa's chances if he met Roger in the final.

bokehlicious
12-13-2005, 12:15 PM
I'll enjoy bumping up this thread if Rafa does win the AO.

Fair :) I'll bump all the Fed bashing threads if he'll win the AO :wavey:

Jimnik
12-13-2005, 12:35 PM
Fair :) I'll bump all the Fed bashing threads if he'll win the AO :wavey:
I'm not "bashing Fed". I still think he's the favourite to win the AO. I just don't think that it's a foregone conclusion already. All Fed fans seem to think it is.

bokehlicious
12-13-2005, 12:46 PM
I'm not bashing Rafa either... But when I read affirmations like this: "Nadal has a far better chance here than Federer", that should make smile every non-bias single tennis fan :)

MariaV
12-13-2005, 12:47 PM
Fed's chances look good. :D

DDrago2
12-13-2005, 12:55 PM
Nadal seems to be on his own only on clay and on very slow hard-courts such as Miami (which is essentialy clay, as far as I heared). Rebound Ace? I don't think it suits him perfectly, altghough it is not Federer's favourite neither but Federer still is a favourite over Nadal in AO.

his arch rival Nadal

rival yes, arch rival... that is wishfull thinking. THey only played 3 matches, and all of them on surfaces that heavily favour Nadal. Nadal and Fed will have to play much more matches before they become arch rivals! THere are also other players, including other youngsters, who will maybe trouble Federer more than NAdal on surfaces other than clay.

alfonsojose
12-13-2005, 01:15 PM
anymore pics ?

Galaxystorm
12-13-2005, 01:20 PM
I'm not bashing Rafa either... But when I read affirmations like this: "Nadal has a far better chance here than Federer", that should make smile every non-bias single tennis fan :)`

Are you giving lessons of " impartiallity " ?? :haha:

Impartiallity made in " JMPower land " : " Nadal has everything to prove on every surfaces except clay..." :haha:

Obviously SSSSS's comments about Nadal has more chances to win the Aus open than Roger are utterly wrong according to my opinion , but it's funny to see that this thread suddenly has filled of Fed's fans/Nadal's bashers in order to underrate Nadal .

Obviously Federer is the favourite to win the Aussie open , but Nadal isn't as thrid-world player as some of you want to prove .

Are your mind as dim-witted as you need to underrate Fed's opponents to defend him ??? :retard:

bokehlicious
12-13-2005, 01:35 PM
So Galaxystorm, someone who say that Nadal has a far better chance to win AO than Federer isn't a troll ? And I am (a troll) when I say that Nadal has something to prove out of a clay court ? Come on mate :rolleyes:

Dirk
12-13-2005, 02:21 PM
I think this is Nadal's best chance to win a slam outside of RG. I could see him doing it and even beating Roger in the finals. This surface does suit his game but this surface beats up you body very badly so I don't know how Nadal would do if he played a few longer matches. I just wish they would change this back to grass already. :)

bokehlicious
12-13-2005, 02:26 PM
SSSS tennistic comments are biaised !!! Only a Rafa fan can think that Rafa is favourite at the AO (rebound ace is not slower than Miami surface)...

And yes, Rafa has done well in Miami, Montreal and Madrid, no problem with that, but that doesn't prove he's an hardcourter specialist !!! It is the same comment as if I say that Federer has far better chance than Rafa to win RG because he won 3 times Hambourg TMS, that has no sense either !!

EDIT: this comment was a response to GS one, but deleted in the meantime...

Galaxystorm
12-13-2005, 02:29 PM
So Galaxystorm, someone who say that Nadal has a far better chance to win AO than Federer isn't a troll ? And I am (a troll) when I say that Nadal has something to prove out of a clay court ? Come on mate :rolleyes:

As i have said i think that SSSS is very wrong when he says " Nadal has a far better chance than Federer " , but at least he has tried to explain his point of view talking about bounce , court speed etc , on the other hand Fed-lovers/Nadal bashers had treated him as a asshole instead of refuting him with tennistic arguments .

On Rebound Ace plus Melbourne's hot the difference of level/potential between Roger and Nadal is smaller than on any other hard court , beacuse of the higher bounce and the slower court . When i say this comment i'm not defendig SSSSS because i have said i consider Roger the favourite to win in Melbourne but at least i consider he has made some tennistic comments , showing that he isn't as dumbass as you think he is .

I don't know if he's a troll since it was their first posts in MTF and i don't have enough knowelegde about him to call him thus.

And about your comment : Nadal has something to prove out of a clay court "

Now you say " Nadal has something " and before you said " Nadal has everything " . Do you make up your mind ??

As i consider your original post the most sincere , so i will answer you this setence " Nadal has everything to prove on every surfaces except clay..."


:secret: It is said that Nadal has won two masters series on hard ( one of them at indoors :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: ) , even was the runner-up at another masters series and was about to win the God Federer .

Unluckily is just a rumour and i can't confirm that information :silly:


Is it so complicated to defend your fave player without bashing/underrating their opponents ?? :retard::retard:

bokehlicious
12-13-2005, 02:37 PM
Now you say " Nadal has something " and before you said " Nadal has everything " . Do you make up your mind ??

As i consider your original post the most sincere , so i will answer you this setence " Nadal has everything to prove on every surfaces except clay..."


If you have to play with words, that just shows your argumentation is not so strong :rolleyes:

But sorry I should not have read the GM rules correctly, I didn't notice that only Fed bashing is allowed here...

Galaxystorm
12-13-2005, 02:38 PM
EDIT: this comment was a response to GS one, but deleted in the meantime...

I had to do some changes, so i decided to delete and post it again some minutes later .

Galaxystorm
12-13-2005, 02:50 PM
If you have to play with words, that just shows your argumentation is not so strong :rolleyes:

But sorry I should not have read the GM rules correctly, I didn't notice that only Fed bashing is allowed here...

The meaning of the sentence is utterly different when you say " everthing " or " something ".

Is it so hard to accept that you screwed it up when you said " he has everything..." ?? You realized that it was a tennistic dumbass exaggeration and tried to change it

My argumentation are the stats, your argumentation are your pure love towards Nadal :silly:



But sorry I should not have read the GM rules correctly, I didn't notice that only Fed bashing is allowed here...

I don't know what you are telling me that since i have defended Roger several times when Roger was attacked by Fed's dumbass-harters . I only vouch for what i did . What the rest of persons make it isn't my fault :shrug:

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

Peoples
12-13-2005, 02:57 PM
Stop it they are both favourites and that's it.

bokehlicious
12-13-2005, 03:04 PM
Ok GS, no need to ride on your wild horses, I admit that my word "everything" was too strong... What I obviously meant was that Rafa is (still ?) not the hardcourt king, like SSSS analyze seems to prove :rolleyes:

And concerning the Fed bashing, I don't point you in particular, but as long as I read GM, in about every single threads we can find Fed-bashers, and nobody cares... :o

Galaxystorm
12-13-2005, 03:34 PM
And yes, Rafa has done well in Miami, Montreal and Madrid, no problem with that, but that doesn't prove he's an hardcourter specialist !!! It is the same comment as if I say that Federer has far better chance than Rafa to win RG because he won 3 times Hambourg TMS, that has no sense either !!

As it seems the argument of having won two masters series on hard ( plus another final ) isn't enough to call him as a hardcourter :silly: , i will have to think another argument :silly:

If a player who has won the 70% of matches played on hard court in his career isn't a hardcourt specialist :silly:, then i assume you only use this denomination for just 5 or 6 players on ATP , right ??. :silly:

Who is more claycourter specialist Chela or Federer ?? . According to your theory Chela is better claycouter . He gets his better results on clay and because is his favourite surface too.

Obviously Federer is very superior to Chela.

:secret: Federer is a hell of a claycourter ( maybe you haven't realized it so far ;) ) since there are few players on the world able to beat him on it nowadays ... Nadal, Gasquet .

Tennis aren't metaphorical inventions but RESULTS , and those results tell that Federer is a hell of a claycourter( one of the best right now in the world ) and Nadal is one of the top 10 hardcourters on ATP tour.

I couldn't help bursting out laughing every time i listen persons telling that players like Dent , Fish etc are harcourters and Nadal isn't :haha: ( how many masters series have won those guys on hard :retard: , what is their % of matches won on that surface ?? :retard:....)

niko
12-13-2005, 03:44 PM
Is it already January? Is Federer facing Nadal this sunday at AO? Did Nalbandian do any good? :rolleyes:

bokehlicious
12-13-2005, 04:12 PM
Well GS we're off-topic, my reaction against SSSSS was just to tell that he might be crazy thinking that Nadal has a far better chance than Federer at AO... I mean, of course you're right, but if you call Nadal a hardcourt specialist, so what is he regarding clay, claygod ? The same for Federer, if you call him a claycourt specialist, he's the hardcourtgrass guru ?

You have perfectly well understood what I meant with my first comment... Ok, I wasn't 100% fair with Nadal but saying that Nadal is the objective favorite of AO is not fair with Roger too !!

Galaxystorm
12-13-2005, 04:46 PM
I mean, of course you're right, but if you call Nadal a hardcourt specialist, so what is he regarding clay, claygod ? The same for Federer, if you call him a claycourt specialist, he's the hardcourtgrass guru ?

It seems you try to typecast players in a unique speciality :shrug: . A player can be a grasscourt specialist , a claycourt specialist etc.....at the same time. There are many combinations , tennis isn't a monodimensional sport

Federer has proved he's an all-surface player and Nadal two-surfaces player ( so far ).

almouchie
12-13-2005, 07:43 PM
well I believe Federer is still going to enter tournies as favorite on accord of his records & number of losses in the past two years. but the likes of Nadal & Gasquet have been a breath of fresh air & allow for a posibility of some competition in the next year. it meay depend more on others believing tey have a chance as opposed to impact of federer's last loss at TMS which ended his run &several records.

Fergie
12-13-2005, 10:40 PM
Nadal should have a chance, now Federer on hard court is always favorite since end 2003.
Agree 100% :yeah:

FaceyFacem
12-14-2005, 04:13 AM
i think roger has an unbelievable chance to win australia, which will make the french super exciting as roger would then be questing for the non calendar year GS

heya
12-14-2005, 07:37 AM
Nadal breaks serve at least 6 times per match on clay.
He can break serve at least 3 times per match in Australia.

He can beat Nalbandian, Safin, Hewitt & Ljubicic.
An unfair line call made him lose a 4-1 lead in Miami (medium slow court)
Nadal was fatigued & threw that match away.
The same thing happened in Australia & he wasted a lead versus Hewitt.
The year before, he lost tiebreaks that he had mini breaks in.

He did ok on grass despite having some pain after the French Open win.
He's only passive on US Open fast courts.

RogiFan88
12-14-2005, 02:44 PM
i think roger has an unbelievable chance to win australia, which will make the french super exciting as roger would then be questing for the non calendar year GS

Who cares about the non-calendar year GS. :p

adee-gee
12-14-2005, 02:49 PM
Don't rule out Mathieu Montcourt's chances :D

cris1085
12-14-2005, 02:50 PM
In my opinion Rogi will win the AO too and Rafa will be out in the first week!!!! :devil:

adee-gee
12-14-2005, 02:56 PM
In my opinion Rogi will win the AO too and Rafa will be out in the first week!!!! :devil:
:wavey: prima donna, you can post under your real name if you want.

cris1085
12-14-2005, 03:07 PM
My name is not primadonna. Sorry but Rafa is not as good as Rogi. It's reality and not fantasy.

bokehlicious
12-14-2005, 03:20 PM
My name is not primadonna. Sorry but Rafa is not as good as Rogi. It's reality and not fantasy.

Warning !! With that kind of comments you will be called a Nadal basher :rolleyes: or Fed bias :rolleyes: :angel:

TheMightyFed
12-14-2005, 03:30 PM
Warning !! With that sort of comments you will be called a Nadal basher :rolleyes: or Fed bias :rolleyes: :angel:
Nadal is a warrior, a baseliner, a great runner, a top spin-generating lefty, but he may be number 2, technically he's still far from Roger..

cris1085
12-14-2005, 03:31 PM
Please consider that I would like to watch a final Hewitt-Federer rather than Federer-Nadal and see the first defeat in GS for Federer, because I like Hewitt too but I am too realistic and in this moment Rogi is simply the best. :D

adee-gee
12-14-2005, 03:33 PM
Please consider that I would like to watch a final Hewitt-Federer rather than Federer-Nadal
Is that because you know Nadal would beat Federer, whereas against Hewitt you can see another bagel fest?

bokehlicious
12-14-2005, 03:34 PM
Nadal is a warrior, a baseliner, a great runner, a top spin-generating lefty, but he may be number 2, technically he's still far from Roger..

Everybody with tennis knowledge minima understand that... But for some people in GM if you use the word "Nadal" without "best" you are necessarily bashing him :o

World Beater
12-14-2005, 04:08 PM
Is that because you know Nadal would beat Federer, whereas against Hewitt you can see another bagel fest?

no its because you cant understand that federer is the best :rolleyes:

nadal is a great player, nobody is saying otherwise. but to say that they are on the same level right now, is not true at least not off clay courts.

until rafa beats roger in a hardcourt slam, i am not going to proclaim him as some fed-stopper

adee-gee
12-14-2005, 04:54 PM
no its because you cant understand that federer is the best :rolleyes:

nadal is a great player, nobody is saying otherwise. but to say that they are on the same level right now, is not true at least not off clay courts.

until rafa beats roger in a hardcourt slam, i am not going to proclaim him as some fed-stopper
I never said Federer wasn't the best, the #1 ranking would suggest he is.

Surely by that theory, you won't be saying Federer is a far better hardcourter than Nadal is until he beats him in a hardcourt slam either ;)

wcr
12-14-2005, 05:02 PM
The rebound ace seems to suite Nadal's game better than Federer. Therefore, Nadal would be the strong favorite for the Australian open next month. Is Federer capable of winning the tournament considering the present competition level and his challengers? Above all, is he capable of beating Nadal on the surface?

Results from 2005 AO:

NADAL
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R128
Benneteau, Julien (FRA )
47
6-0 6-4 6-2
R64
Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS )
88
6-1 4-6 4-6 7-5 6-3
R32
Reynolds, Bobby (USA )
N/A
6-1 6-1 6-3
R16
Hewitt, Lleyton (AUS )
2
5-7 6-3 6-1 6-7(3) 2-6


FEDERER
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R128
Santoro, Fabrice (FRA )
21
6-1 6-1 6-2
R64
Suzuki, Takao (JPN )
N/A
6-3 6-4 6-4
R32
Nieminen, Jarkko (FIN )
47
6-3 5-2
R16
Baghdatis, Marcos (CYP )
76
6-2 6-2 7-6(4)
Q
Agassi, Andre (USA )
N/A
6-3 6-4 6-4
S
Safin, Marat (RUS )
N/A
7-5 4-6 7-5 6-7(6) 7-9

RonE
12-14-2005, 05:22 PM
To answer the topic of this thread- before we know what Roger's chances are and before we start having a bash-fest between Roger and Rafa fans on who will win the final between them we have yet to know how they are recovering from their respective injuries.

We do not know about Nadal's knees and how hard he is training. We do not know if playing Shanghai had any adverse affect on Roger's foot and if and how well he is training.

Before indulging in speculations it remains to be seen how well both Rafa and Rog do in their respective warm-up events before concluding what their chances (or any other player's chances for that matter) are like for the upcoming slam.

That said, assuming we are talking about a fully fit, healthy, focused and determined Federer I would say his chances are pretty good no matter who he faces along the way.

ExpectedWinner
12-14-2005, 05:31 PM
To answer the topic of this thread- before we know what Roger's chances are and before we start having a bash-fest between Roger and Rafa fans on who will win the final between them we have yet to know how they are recovering from their respective injuries.

We do not know about Nadal's knees and how hard he is training. We do not know if playing Shanghai had any adverse affect on Roger's foot and if and how well he is training.

Before indulging in speculations it remains to be seen how well both Rafa and Rog do in their respective warm-up events before concluding what their chances (or any other player's chances for that matter) are like for the upcoming slam.

That said, assuming we are talking about a fully fit, healthy, focused and determined Federer I would say his chances are pretty good no matter who
he faces along the way.

Finally a voice of reason.:yeah:

World Beater
12-14-2005, 07:19 PM
I never said Federer wasn't the best, the #1 ranking would suggest he is.

Surely by that theory, you won't be saying Federer is a far better hardcourter than Nadal is until he beats him in a hardcourt slam either ;)

no, of course not...i never proclaimed federer as a nadal-stopper.

it is true fact that at this pt roger is a better hardcourter. nadal may according to you matchup well with roger, but that doesnt mean that he is a better hardcourter. just look at the records, its very simple.

however, if nadal wants to prove he is the best harcourter he has to prove it by having a better record, not just by beating federer

thats why i say that coria is a better clay courter than federer because he has a superior record over his career even though fed tears him up when they meet.

jacobhiggins
12-16-2005, 12:55 AM
Rogers the favorite to win it and I think he's going to win it, he's by far a cut above everybody! He ended the year almost 400 (three hundred and ninety two) points in front of the number 2 player, far and away the best!