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Top 10 of talent

stebs
11-29-2005, 04:48 PM
Of those in the top 100 what would your top ten look like and in which order if you were going on all court talent and technical ability alone and nothing to do with mental fragility or toughness. Also i don't mean potential i mean more current ability.

If you pick a top ten and aren't sure what order to put them in a possible way of ordering them would be to give them a mark out of ten for talent on each surface and then add them up. Cheers.

By the way if anyone comes here and doesn't want to do this thats fine but last time i started a thread people insulted me for no reason so if thats what you want to do just try not to. thanks.

My list of players using G for Grass H for Hard court C for Clay & T for Total

Roger Federer G-10 H-10 C-9 T=29
Marat Safin G-8 H-10 C-8 T=26
Fernando Gonzalez G-7 H-8 C-8 T=23
Richard Gasquet G-8 H-9 C-8 T=25
Rafael Nadal G-7 H-8 C-10 T=25
David Nalbandian G-7 H-9 C-8 T=24
Juan Carlos Ferrero G-7 H-8 C-9 T=24
Lleyton Hewitt G-8 H-9 C-7 T=24
Ivan Ljubicic G-8 H-9 C-6 T=23
Tommy Haas G-8 H-8 C-8 T=24

So that makes it go

1 R Federer
2 M Safin
3= R Gasque
3= R Nadal
5= D Nalbandian
5= J C Ferrero
5= L Hewitt
5= T Haas
9= F Gonzalez
9= I Ljubicic

NyGeL
11-29-2005, 05:09 PM
Federer
Agassi
Gasquet
Nadal
Santoro
Henman
Nalbandian
Hewitt
Gaudio
Nieminen

i don't care about surface.

propi
11-29-2005, 07:53 PM
Nadal, Federer, Gasquet, Nalbandian, Grosjean, Santoro, Moyà, Agassi, Ferrero and González.
Honorable mentions Nieminen, Escudé, Malisse

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-29-2005, 11:02 PM
Roger Federer G-10 H-10 C-8 T=28
Rafael Nadal G-7 H-9 C-10 T=26
Andre Agassi G-7 H-9 C-8 T=24
Marat Safin G-8 H-9 C-7 T=24
Lleyton Hewitt G-9 H-9 C-6 T=24
David Nalbandian G-7 H-9 C-7 T=23
Ivan Ljubicic G-8 H-9 C-5 T=23
Andy Roddick G-9 H-9 C-4 T=22
Richard Gasquet G-7 H-7 C-8 T=22
Guillermo Coria G-6 H-6 C-9 T=21






Therefore

1. Roger Federer
2. Rafael Nadal
3. Andre Agassi
4. Marat Safin
5. Lleyton Hewitt
6. David Nalbandian
7. Ivan Ljubicic
8. Andy Roddick
9. Richard Gasquet
10. Guillermo Coria

nkhera1
11-29-2005, 11:25 PM
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Roddick
4. Hewitt
5. Davydenko
6. Nalbandian
7. Agassi
8. Coria
9. Ljubicic
10. Gaudio

I derived a very complex formula to figure this out. :)

rexman
11-29-2005, 11:54 PM
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Roddick
4. Hewitt
5. Davydenko
6. Nalbandian
7. Agassi
8. Coria
9. Ljubicic
10. Gaudio

I derived a very complex formula to figure this out. :)

That's what I was gonna put. :sad: :worship:

CooCooCachoo
11-30-2005, 12:36 AM
Anyone not putting Federer on top is :crazy: :cuckoo:

Federerthebest
11-30-2005, 01:46 AM
Anyone who classes Davydenko as one of the top-10 most-talented players is :retard:.

Tourmalante
11-30-2005, 04:42 AM
How can you put Roddick as the third most talented player? He doesn't have the game in his bones. He doesn't understand it's fine points and he doesn't have any tennis instinct. He doesn't understand point construction, the cutting off of angles, he can't read or return serves well at all, has little to no disguise on his serve or groundstrokes, lacks a varied repertoire of strokes, can't vary the length and speed/spin of his strokes well, etc. To me, two of the preriquisites of a talented player is the ability to hit early and camp the baseline, and economical strokeplay. Roddick is not qualified in either of these aspects.

madmanfool
11-30-2005, 08:13 AM
How can you put Roddick as the third most talented player? He doesn't have the game in his bones. He doesn't understand it's fine points and he doesn't have any tennis instinct. He doesn't understand point construction, the cutting off of angles, he can't read or return serves well at all, has little to no disguise on his serve or groundstrokes, lacks a varied repertoire of strokes, can't vary the length and speed/spin of his strokes well, etc. To me, two of the preriquisites of a talented player is the ability to hit early and camp the baseline, and economical strokeplay. Roddick is not qualified in either of these aspects.

You're forgetting that serving like that is an art on itself.

1. Federer
2. Gonzalez
3. Safin
4. Hewitt
5. Agassi
6. Nalbandian
7. Kiefer
8. Lopez
9.Blake
10. Gaudio

landoud
11-30-2005, 08:16 AM
1. Roger Federer
1. Rafael Nadal
3. Andre Agassi
4. Lleyton Hewitt
5. Marat Safin
6. David Nalbandian
7. Robby Ginepri
8. Andy Roddick
9. Richard Gasquet
10. James Blake

italy_tennis
11-30-2005, 09:00 AM
Top 10 of talent

1.Federer
2.Safin
3.Gasquet
4.Nalbandian
5.Malisse
6.Berdych
7.Santoro
8.Lopez
9.Haas
10.Youzhny

almouchie
11-30-2005, 09:21 AM
federer
safin
gasquet
nadal
keurten
nalbandian
agassi
JC ferrero
santoro
Ljubocic

DrJules
11-30-2005, 09:49 AM
1) Roger Federer
2) Marat Safin
3) Richard Gasquet
4) David Nalbandian
5) Lleyton Hewitt
6) Andre Agassi
7) Rafael Nadal
8) Tim Henman
9) Andy Roddick
10)James Blake

Marat Safinator
11-30-2005, 11:53 AM
1. Safin
2. Kafelnikov
3.Ivanisevic
4.Pioline
5.Grosjean
6.Ljubicic
7.Agassi
8.Medvedev
9.Gonzalez
10.Escude

All based on natural talent I go with these guys.

yomike
11-30-2005, 12:31 PM
My ideal TOP 10

1. Elbow
2. whining feline
3. Dengue fever
4. The Horseshoemaker
5. The chick-looking Czech
6. cucaracha
7. Luxembourg
8. Mr. Clean
9. Can you hear the drums...
10. Eel

On all court talent
1. Federer
2. Gasquet
3. Nalbandian
........

sampaio
11-30-2005, 02:12 PM
1/Richard Gasquet
2/Roger Federer
3/Marcelo Rios
4/Olivier Rochus
5/Marat Safin
6/Fernando Verdasco
7/David Nalbandian
8/Sebastien Grosjean
9/Christophe Rochus
10/Gustavo Kuerten/Tommy Haas

Castafiore
11-30-2005, 02:26 PM
1/Richard Gasquet
2/Roger Federer
3/Marcelo Rios
4/Olivier Rochus
5/Marat Safin
6/Fernando Verdasco
7/David Nalbandian
8/Sebastien Grosjean
9/Christophe Rochus
10/Gustavo Kuerten/Tommy Haas
That's an odd top 10.

Why mention Rios? He's not really an active player, is he?
Why do you place Christophe so high and since you have two Belgians in your top 10, why not Malisse?


A top 10 without taking into account mental ability or toughness is rather pointless for me because I consider it to be very important. Besides, being able to stay strong and focussed under pressure is a talent.
For example, lots of experts have said that Malisse has all that it takes to be in the top 10 or even the top 5 but his mental fragility stands in the way.

its.like.that
11-30-2005, 02:31 PM
I would have to agree with all of the posts so far.

DrJules
11-30-2005, 02:34 PM
I would have to agree with all of the posts so far.

Impossible most give different top 10 lists :confused:

its.like.that
11-30-2005, 02:37 PM
Impossible most give different top 10 lists :confused:

:bigclap:

Adman
11-30-2005, 02:42 PM
1. Federer
2. Agassi
3. Gasquet
4. Nadal
5. Hewitt
6. Ivanisavic
7. Henman
8. Roddick
9. Bob Bryan
10. Mike Bryan
(9 & 10 are for double they are the best)

tangerine_dream
11-30-2005, 02:45 PM
How can you put Roddick as the third most talented player? He doesn't have the game in his bones. He doesn't understand it's fine points and he doesn't have any tennis instinct. He doesn't understand point construction, the cutting off of angles, he can't read or return serves well at all, has little to no disguise on his serve or groundstrokes, lacks a varied repertoire of strokes, can't vary the length and speed/spin of his strokes well, etc. To me, two of the preriquisites of a talented player is the ability to hit early and camp the baseline, and economical strokeplay. Roddick is not qualified in either of these aspects.
And I love that it kills you to see Roddick as the top three player in the world. :cool:

stebs
11-30-2005, 03:07 PM
For example, lots of experts have said that Malisse has all that it takes to be in the top 10 or even the top 5 but his mental fragility stands in the way.[/QUOTE]


exactly. this is why i was interested in peoples opinions about this. to see what they think would happen if mental fragility didnt stand in the way of anyone

its.like.that
11-30-2005, 03:30 PM
1. Federer
2. Agassi
3. Gasquet
4. Nadal
5. Hewitt
6. Ivanisavic
7. Henman
8. Roddick
9. Bob Bryan
10. Mike Bryan
(9 & 10 are for double they are the best)

Yes, Agassi is #2.

Deea
11-30-2005, 03:43 PM
1.Marat Safin
2.Rafael Nadal
3.Tomas Berdych
4.Richard Gasquet
5.Guillermo Coria
6.Roger Federer
7.David Nalbandian
8.Andre Agassi
9.Andy Roddick
10.Igor Andreev

Tourmalante
11-30-2005, 04:06 PM
And I love that it kills you to see Roddick as the top three player in the world. :cool:

No, because Roger and Rafael are number two and number one. Talent always outs in the end. For every 1000 unachieving, headcase tennis talents walking the earth there is one who actually taps into his potential. And that is why players like Roddick are put in their proper place-behind the greats.

Pigpen Stinks
11-30-2005, 04:37 PM
I'm a little confused about the differentiating by surface. I think that has more to do with what type of court suits each player's game, and not their talent for that surface, so to speak. That said, here's my top 10 on milk carton crate, or what some refer to as eggshell.
1. Safin
2. Federer
3. Agassi
4. Haas
5. Srichaphan
6. Nadal
7. Baghdatis
8. Tursunov
9. Ancic
10. Kiefer

Bubba08
11-30-2005, 04:48 PM
My top 10 of talent:
1. Federer
2. Safin
3. Nadal
4. Gasquet
5. Nalbandian
6. Hewit
7. Roddick
8. Ferrero
9. Coria
10. Agassi

tangerine_dream
11-30-2005, 05:09 PM
No, because Roger and Rafael are number two and number one. Talent always outs in the end. For every 1000 unachieving, headcase tennis talents walking the earth there is one who actually taps into his potential. And that is why players like Roddick are put in their proper place-behind the greats.
Ah. So any player ranked after Nos. 1 and 2 are the non-talents. Even former No. 1s. Gotcha. :yeah:

AgassiDomination
11-30-2005, 05:11 PM
1. Federer
2. Agassi
3. Safin
4. Nalbandian
5. Roddick
6. Nadal
7. Coria
8. Ljubicic
9. Ferrero
10. Henman

disturb3d
11-30-2005, 07:32 PM
1. Federer
2. Agassi
3. Safin
4. Nalbandian
5. Roddick
6. Nadal
7. Coria
8. Ljubicic
9. Ferrero
10. HenmanI don't know how you got this.
Roddick is without a doubt the most talentless player to hit the top 10 since Rusedski.

Dragula.mp3
11-30-2005, 07:56 PM
1-Federer
2-Safín
3-Nalbandian (is my opinion that he made looks tennis easy)
4-Agassi
5-Nadal
6-Gaudio
7-Hewitt
8-Roddick
9-Coria
10-Gasquet (he should be up, but has a lot of time to prove it).

AgassiDomination
11-30-2005, 10:50 PM
I don't know how you got this.
Roddick is without a doubt the most talentless player to hit the top 10 since Rusedski.


A serve like that deserves some respect ;)

drf716
12-01-2005, 12:20 AM
1.safin

nkhera1
12-01-2005, 04:21 AM
How can you put Roddick as the third most talented player? He doesn't have the game in his bones. He doesn't understand it's fine points and he doesn't have any tennis instinct. He doesn't understand point construction, the cutting off of angles, he can't read or return serves well at all, has little to no disguise on his serve or groundstrokes, lacks a varied repertoire of strokes, can't vary the length and speed/spin of his strokes well, etc. To me, two of the preriquisites of a talented player is the ability to hit early and camp the baseline, and economical strokeplay. Roddick is not qualified in either of these aspects.

Obviously he is doing something right and it takes talent to hit it hard because I don't see everyone on tour doing that. Also he must have mental talent if he is able to go so far with his "lack of game" and mental talent is still talent so thats why I put him at number 3. The numbers don't lie.

prima donna
12-01-2005, 04:44 AM
1). Roger Federer
2). Marat Safin
3). Richard Gasquet
4). David Nalbandian
5). Agassi
6). Berdych
7). Hewitt
8). Ljubicic
9). James Blake
10). Andy Roddick