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RECORD for most finals lost in one season

NYCtennisfan
11-18-2005, 05:33 AM
Ivan Ljubicic may have had some tough matches in finals this year but he is among some elite company in getting to so many finals in one year. Not many players have ever gotten to 8 finals in one season. Below is a list of players who have lost at least 4 finals in one year which includes most of the elite players in the Open Era.

Note: in the early and mid 70s, there was a better chance for multiple players to get a bunch of finals since there were two tours being played simultaneously.

* denotes a player won a slam that year

PLAYER...................YEAR................FINAL S LOST...............TITLES WON

Brian Gottfired..........1977.......................10.. ..........................5
Arthur Ashe.............1973.........................7... .........................2
Ilie Natase...............1976........................7 .............................6
Jimmy Connors..........1977........................7.... ........................8
Ivan Lendl...............1984.........................7 ............................3*
Mats Wilander..........1985.........................7.. ..........................3*
Rafael Nadal.............2011........................7... ..........................3*
Arthur Ashe.............1974.........................6... .........................3
Jimmy Connors..........1975........................6.... ........................9*
Stefan Edberg..........1989.........................6.... ........................2
Yevgeny Kafelnikov....1996........................6....... .....................4*
Ivan Lendl...............1983.........................6 ............................7
Ivan Ljubicic.............2005........................6 ............................2
John McEnroe..........1980.........................6... .........................8*
Manuel Orantes........1973.........................6..... .......................4
Manuel Orantes........1976.........................6..... .......................7
Patrick Rafter...........1997........................6.... .........................1*
Raul Ramirez............1978.........................6. ...........................2
Guillermo Vilas..........1981.........................6..... .......................3

PLAYERS THAT HAVE LOST 5 FINALS IN ONE SEASON


Andre Agassi.......................... 1998
Arthur Ashe............................ 1971
Bjorn Borg.............................. 1974
Michael Chang........................ 1995, 1996
Novak Djokovic.........................2009
Stefan Edberg.........................1990
Wojtek Fibak.......................... 1976
Vitas Gerulaitis........................ 1975
Tim Gullickson......................... 1978
Goran Ivanisevic..................... 1996
Rod Laver.............................. 1971
Ivan Lendl..............................1981, 1982
Peter McNamara...................... 1982
Carlos Moya........................... 1997
Illie Nastase............................1974
Tom Okker............................. 1971
Manuel Orantes...................... 1974, 1975
Adriano Panatta.......................1975
Cedric Pioline.......................... 1992
Raul Ramirez........................... 1975
BrianTeacher.......................... 1980
Eliot Teltscher........................ 1980
Guillermo Vilas.........................1977, 1979, 1982

PLAYERS THAT HAVE LOST 4 FINALS IN ONE SEASON

Andre Agassi.......................... 1995
Boris Becker........................... 1990, 1995
Sergui Bruguera ......................1993, 1997
Arthur Ashe............................ 1975
Bjorn Borg.............................. 1973
Michael Chang........................ 1995, 1996
Jose Luis-Clerc....................... 1978
Jimmy Connors.........................1979, 1982, 1986
Guillermo Coria......................... 2004
Jim Courier..............................1992
Eddie Dibbs.............................1976, 1979
Stefan Edberg.........................1986, 1987, 1988
Roger Federer...........................2006, 2007, 2008, 2010
Wojtek Fibak.......................... 1977
Vitas Gerulaitis........................ 1977
Brad Gilbert............................ 1987
Tim Gullickson......................... 1978
Tim Henman........................... 1999
Goran Ivanisevic..................... 1990, 1994, 1998
Nicolas Kiefer......................... 2004
Jan Kodes............................. 1971, 1975
Petr Korda............................. 1992
Rod Laver.............................. 1971
Chris Lewis.............................1981
Felix Mantilla...........................1996
Todd Martin............................1993
Peter McNamara...................... 1982
Carlos Moya........................... 1997
Illie Nastase............................1971, 1972, 1975
Tom Okker............................. 1971
Manuel Orantes...................... 1977
Adriano Panatta.......................1975
Victor Pecci Sr.........................1979
Cedric Pioline.......................... 1992
Marian Puerta.......................... 2000
Raul Ramirez........................... 1975
Marcelo Rios........................... 1997
Andy Roddick.......................... 2004
Pete Sampras......................... 1991, 1995, 2001
Bill Scanlon............................. 1982
Tomas Smid........................... 1984
Roscoe Tanner........................ 1975, 1976
BrianTeacher.......................... 1980
Eliot Teltscher........................ 1980
Guillermo Vilas..........................1980, 1983
Mats Wilander..........................1987

Scotso
11-18-2005, 05:39 AM
Good company.... yes. But you always know that when you say that someone is "in good company," it means they're not nearly as good.

idolwatcher1
11-18-2005, 06:30 AM
interesting...

How many of those players also had the most finals won in a season?

TennisGrandSlam
11-18-2005, 06:35 AM
Patrick Rafter...........1997........................6.... .........................1*

But he won the most important one - US Open!

R.Federer
11-18-2005, 10:42 AM
It is definitely good to get yourself in a position to win (that is, finale better than semifinale) but i would imagine ivan prefers the company of the nadals and Federers where he runs up a finales winning streak not losing streak . If it goes on, it becomes a mental thing later

NYCtennisfan
11-18-2005, 03:03 PM
interesting...

How many of those players also had the most finals won in a season?

All of them. Vilas, Nastase, Connors, JMAC, Lendl, Borg, etc...

NYCtennisfan
11-18-2005, 03:06 PM
It is definitely good to get yourself in a position to win (that is, finale better than semifinale) but i would imagine ivan prefers the company of the nadals and Federers where he runs up a finales winning streak not losing streak . If it goes on, it becomes a mental thing later

Sure and I hint at this in the first post. Aside from future results or how these losses affect him in the future, getting to 8 finals in one year is pretty impressive, even if he only won 2. Not doing well in the Slams and not winning one of the TMS events takes some of the luster off but still quite an achievement.

DrJules
11-18-2005, 06:50 PM
interesting...

How many of those players also had the most finals won in a season?

In normal years in the past there were 2-4 players at the top of comparable ability who kept playing each other in finals sometimes winning sometimes losing. A lot of Borg, Connors, Mcenroe defeats would have been against each other. Only recently has 1 player started to win every final he appears in.

NYCtennisfan
10-11-2011, 04:41 AM
Bump

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
10-11-2011, 04:49 AM
well played bump good sir

i suppose making a final is better than not making one

Sophocles
10-11-2011, 09:40 AM
Nadal needs Djoker back on the tour pronto so he can climb higher up this list.

Corey Feldman
10-11-2011, 11:02 AM
damn you Gottfried

losing 10 finals in one season, you uber mug

bandabou
10-11-2011, 11:25 AM
Wow Nadal is climbing fast...this is no.8 already.

abraxas21
10-11-2011, 01:14 PM
nah, nadal just has 7 but something tells me he wants to make a real statement in shanghai

we'll see

The Magician
10-11-2011, 01:20 PM
Tying the record for most finals lost (except for some mug who wanted the record at 10 :p), tying the record for fewest points won in a set (except for another mug who won 0 :mad:), Nadull is a true spartan :worship: Not only is he destroying his legacy, he's not even making a new legacy as a loser because there's always one guy with an even worse record in history :o

abraxas21
10-11-2011, 01:23 PM
Tying the record for most finals lost (except for some mug who wanted the record at 10 :p), tying the record for fewest points won in a set (except for another mug who won 0 :mad:), Nadull is a true spartan :worship: Not only is he destroying his legacy, he's not even making a new legacy as a loser because there's always one guy with an even worse record in history :o

fits with being a runner up in pretty much everything

if there's one thing nadal will be remembered for, is for being the eternal number 2. the guy feels comfortable being second. he doesnt like to take the lead and when he gets it, he gets inevitably nervous. the consequences are not pretty

bandabou
10-11-2011, 01:30 PM
Interesting thoughts...I guess he liked it when Roger was no.1 and he still was beating Rogi left and right. Only made him stood out more, without the pressure.

But now...the roles are inverted. Djokovic is totally stealing his thunder and it seems like he doesn't have any answers.

The Magician
10-11-2011, 01:32 PM
fits with being a runner up in pretty much everything

if there's one thing nadal will be remembered for, is for being the eternal number 2. the guy feels comfortable being second. he doesnt like to take the lead and when he gets it, he gets inevitably nervous. the consequences are not pretty

Exactly. He will always be the consistent #2, and no one has a problem with that except Nadulltards and fangirls. Like you said, even Nadull is happy to be #2 in every category historically, he couldn't wait for Fakervic to become #1 over him. Would be funny if he loses 4 more finals this year, Nadull could finally hold an undisputed record :p

Alex999
10-11-2011, 03:17 PM
fits with being a runner up in pretty much everything

if there's one thing nadal will be remembered for, is for being the eternal number 2. the guy feels comfortable being second. he doesnt like to take the lead and when he gets it, he gets inevitably nervous. the consequences are not pretty
oh please. How many weeks did Nadal spend as #1? Do you even know? Yeah, he is nervous. Are you a psychologist? Another retarded comment.

This "the magician guy" is such a moron. He should be banned for his stupidity.

Egreen
10-11-2011, 04:45 PM
Nadal needs Djoker back on the tour pronto so he can climb higher up this list.

Or the Murray from the Tokyo final.

MuzzahLovah
10-11-2011, 04:46 PM
fits with being a runner up in pretty much everything

if there's one thing nadal will be remembered for, is for being the eternal number 2. the guy feels comfortable being second. he doesnt like to take the lead and when he gets it, he gets inevitably nervous. the consequences are not pretty

I wish someone would flush the number 2 already.

Foxy
10-11-2011, 05:40 PM
oh please. How many weeks did Nadal spend as #1? Do you even know? Yeah, he is nervous. Are you a psychologist? Another retarded comment.

This "the magician guy" is such a moron. He should be banned for his stupidity.

Not only that but he will have chances next at least for many more weeks at N1. And the stat here most of the posters do not consider is with Roger being number 3 and soon number 4, Nadal can crack the record for most weeks in Top2 ever (being N1 or N2). Which is pretty huge.

abraxas21
10-11-2011, 05:52 PM
Not only that but he will have chances next at least for many more weeks at N1.
right :lol:

And the stat here most of the posters do not consider is with Roger being number 3 and soon number 4, Nadal can crack the record for most weeks in Top2 ever (being N1 or N2). Which is pretty huge.

hence why i refer to him as the eternal no. 2

Corey Feldman
10-11-2011, 05:53 PM
the eternal no.2

the eternal runner up

abraxas21
10-11-2011, 05:56 PM
oh please. How many weeks did Nadal spend as #1? Do you even know? Yeah, he is nervous. Are you a psychologist? Another retarded comment.

This "the magician guy" is such a moron. He should be banned for his stupidity.

you should better make quiet, son.

nadal himself says he feels better being the follower. he feels less pressure that way and he thrives on being in pursuit of something. he lacks the leadership capacity probly because uncle toni conditioned him that way while he was chasing balls like a puppy in the dusty streets of some unknown town in mallorca. on the other hand, your idol fakervic seems more like someone who actually feels comfy being at the top. too bad that he's willing to play every trick in the hat to accomplish his goals :o

r2473
10-11-2011, 06:00 PM
Thanks NYCtennisfan. Interesting stuff indeed.

Singularity
10-11-2011, 06:25 PM
you should better make quiet, son.

nadal himself says he feels better being the follower. he feels less pressure that way and he thrives on being in pursuit of something. he lacks the leadership capacity probly because uncle toni conditioned him that way while he was chasing balls like a puppy in the dusty streets of some unknown town in mallorca. on the other hand, your idol fakervic seems more like someone who actually feels comfy being at the top. too bad that he's willing to play every trick in the hat to accomplish his goals :o
Tennis is an individual sport. What does leadership have to do with anything?

You become number 1 by winning the most matches/tournaments. Nadal lost his number 1 spot because he was beaten by the better player (Djokovic) in the most important finals. It had nothing to do with him not being a 'natural leader'.

If Djokovic hadn't become ridiculously good, he'd probably still be no.1.

Alex999
10-11-2011, 06:26 PM
you should better make quiet, son.

nadal himself says he feels better being the follower. he feels less pressure that way and he thrives on being in pursuit of something. he lacks the leadership capacity probly because uncle toni conditioned him that way while he was chasing balls like a puppy in the dusty streets of some unknown town in mallorca. on the other hand, your idol fakervic seems more like someone who actually feels comfy being at the top. too bad that he's willing to play every trick in the hat to accomplish his goals :o
Ok, we both know this is BS but you could be funny sometimes. I'll give you that, lol. Don't son me, I hate that.

abraxas21
10-11-2011, 07:29 PM
okay, i'll be 100% serious this time

i do think nadal feels more comfortable being second. it's the position from which he's played most of his life and the position uncle toni wanted him to be. i do think that when nadal says federer is better than him or that he's not the favourite, he means it. he means it because he's so unsecure of himself that he needs to feel he's at a high risk of losing in order to prepare himself as best as he can in his own mind. so you see, i think the number 2 position suits him more than you think.

sorry about the son thing... old habits

MaxPower
10-11-2011, 07:41 PM
So why have we compared Nadal to Borg all the time when it's really Wilanders 3-7 final record in one season he was planning to surpass first?

Chris Kuerten
10-11-2011, 07:46 PM
nadal himself says he feels better being the follower.The mark of a true champion and GOAT candidate :haha:

Alex999
10-12-2011, 01:54 AM
okay, i'll be 100% serious this time

i do think nadal feels more comfortable being second. it's the position from which he's played most of his life and the position uncle toni wanted him to be. i do think that when nadal says federer is better than him or that he's not the favourite, he means it. he means it because he's so unsecure of himself that he needs to feel he's at a high risk of losing in order to prepare himself as best as he can in his own mind. so you see, i think the number 2 position suits him more than you think.

sorry about the son thing... old habits
I can see what you mean but I'm not sure. I assume that all players want to be #1. That's why they play this crazy sport. I'm also not sure if Nadal is insecure. He does appear to be insecure sometimes but I'm asking myself how can an insecure guy win 10 majors? Yes he did have some very tough loses this year but I don't know any more. Nadal is a strange beast. Sensitive post btw. Thanks.

nadalwon2012
10-12-2011, 02:06 AM
I can see what you mean but I'm not sure. I assume that all players want to be #1. That's why they play this crazy sport. I'm also not sure if Nadal is insecure. He does appear to be insecure sometimes but I'm asking myself how can an insecure guy win 10 majors? Yes he did have some very tough loses this year but I don't know any more. Nadal is a strange beast. Sensitive post btw. Thanks.

I don't think Nadal wants the number one ranking. I think he wants to be back 'on top' as in winning slams. Nadal wants to win slams. Winning it from number 2 is easier, less focus on you, less expectation from others etc. and psychologically easier to convince yourself you are the underdog when you are not ranked number one.

Federer doesn't want to be the underdog, but Nadal has always preferred it. Nadal can win slams while being ranked number one, but eventually the top ranking hurts him psychologically. He is at his best when number 2 in 2008, or just after he got the number one ranking like in 2010.