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Federe will not beat McEnroe

Loremaster
11-17-2005, 05:16 PM
He is 80-3 now and John McEnroe in 1984 was 82-3 so if he win in TMC he will only equal this record
OR maybe I missed something ??

LLeytonRules
11-17-2005, 05:19 PM
He will tie the record, nobody here said he would beat the record.Its impressive nevertheless.He would tie it if he wins the next 2 matches.

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 05:20 PM
Nope. But hey, look at this way - if he played a full indoor season, more tournaments = more possibility of a higher loss count and therefore no chance of even equalling the record. Not that I'm happy he missed those tournaments of course, considering that full physical health and winning events you've never won before are rather more important than statistics.

Anyway, didn't McEnroe win 13 titles in 1984? Federer can't win more than 12 even if he defends here, so if Mac's record does end up being equalled he probably wins the tiebreak.

TennisGrandSlam
11-17-2005, 05:27 PM
He is 80-3 now and John McEnroe in 1984 was 82-3 so if he win in TMC he will only equal this record
OR maybe I missed something ??

YES!

At most equal to John's record!


It is noticed that


Federer
win all 11 Finals
~at least quarter-final (last 8) for all tournaments
~2 Grand Slam in Semi-final round : Australian Open & Roland Garros
~Quarter-final round in Rome TMS
~At least Semi-final round in TMC
~2 Grand Slam titles : Wimbledon & US Open


McEnore
entered all Finals except Cincinnati, win 14 titles
~13 ATP singles titles, also World Team Cup in clay (not counted as ATP singles titles)
~2 runners-up for Roland Garros (1 loss in Final) and Davis Cup (1 loss in Final)
~Early looser in Cincinnati (1st round loss)
~2 Grand Slam titles : Wimbledon & US Open (but did not attend Australian Open)

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 05:34 PM
I'd forgotten some of those McEnroe stats, obviously he was a finalist at RG in addition to winning the other two so that weighs in his favour, and as for reaching the final at every ATP tournament played except for one... that's staggering.

alfonsojose
11-17-2005, 05:35 PM
Will Mirka try to emulate Tattum O'Neal :scared: ?

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 05:40 PM
By all accounts she's going in the opposite direction re: body weight, although if one believes JMG's theories on the Federer dark side then it's quite possible she is trapped in a drug-addicted nightmare while suffering from the glare of the international media and the violent whims of a partner whose temper clashes violently with her own. Allegedly, anyway.

uNIVERSE mAN
11-17-2005, 05:46 PM
I'd forgotten some of those McEnroe stats, obviously he was a finalist at RG in addition to winning the other two so that weighs in his favour, and as for reaching the final at every ATP tournament played except for one... that's staggering.

not when you consider how weak the men's field was in those days.

uNIVERSE mAN
11-17-2005, 05:48 PM
There were no monster servers, surface specialists and physical specimens. McEnroe was a scrawny punk who never worked out in his life, conditioning didn't matter then.

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 05:51 PM
No monster servers or surface specialists? Eh? And the conditioning aspect was probably starting to take hold by then considering Lendl had already been very successful for a couple of years beforehand, the RG victory for him must have really convinced other players that getting stronger was the way to go.

mishar
11-17-2005, 05:59 PM
Now Roger has something to aim for in 2006

DrJules
11-17-2005, 06:18 PM
Federer would probably prefer last year when he won 3 grand slams to the current year with 2 grand slams. In reality a grand slam is worth more than a few extra losses.

mangoes
11-17-2005, 06:20 PM
If Roger hadn't gotten injured, he would have broken the record, but a tie is still quite an accomplishment.

alelysafina
11-17-2005, 06:20 PM
Who is Federe? :shrug:

alfonsojose
11-17-2005, 06:33 PM
Federer would probably prefer last year when he won 3 grand slams to the current year with 2 grand slams. In reality a grand slam is worth more than a few extra losses.
:bowdown: if my record ends 28-12, winnin' all 4 slams and losing all my AMS and TMC RR matches, i'd be happy :D

TheBoiledEgg
11-17-2005, 06:36 PM
big diff

Roger wont get bored and take 6 months off like Big Mouth did
Mc was never remotely the same player when he came back in 85 after a brief time off.

never looked like winning a slam again and was pushed from unbeatable to merely cannon fodder.

NYCtennisfan
11-17-2005, 07:01 PM
McEnroe's '84 was by far the most dominant season in ATP history when considering how many total sets he lost. The man was hardly challenged all year and he played the 2nd and 3rd best players, Lendl and Connors often that year.

That being said, Federer's 80-3 in this day with the depth of the game and the TMS events forcing the top players to play against each other, is probably a greater season.

NYCtennisfan
11-17-2005, 07:03 PM
big diff

Roger wont get bored and take 6 months off like Big Mouth did
Mc was never remotely the same player when he came back in 85 after a brief time off.

never looked like winning a slam again and was pushed from unbeatable to merely cannon fodder.

Yep. MAC dominated at the beginning of '85 and then just got bored and was in to lots of other things. He thought he could come back and dominate again but the game had passed him by. Players were getting bigger and stronger and were going through rigorous new training regimens ushered in by Lendl.

smucav
11-17-2005, 07:52 PM
I'd forgotten some of those McEnroe stats, obviously he was a finalist at RG in addition to winning the other two so that weighs in his favour, and as for reaching the final at every ATP tournament played except for one... that's staggering.McEnroe also won a grand slam doubles title (Wimbledon) & five other doubles titles in 1984 & led his team to the Davis Cup final (playing both singles & doubles).

RogiFan88
11-17-2005, 09:03 PM
So what if he doesn't? It's not life or death... sheesh...

KoOlMaNsEaN
11-17-2005, 10:20 PM
Tieing is still great!

R.Federer
11-17-2005, 10:32 PM
Yes Federer (neither "Federe" :) ) will not beat this record, that was always known
But he could jointly own this record, it is really a remarkable one

liptea
11-18-2005, 06:44 AM
By all accounts she's going in the opposite direction re: body weight, although if one believes JMG's theories on the Federer dark side then it's quite possible she is trapped in a drug-addicted nightmare while suffering from the glare of the international media and the violent whims of a partner whose temper clashes violently with her own. Allegedly, anyway.

huh?

almouchie
11-18-2005, 07:00 AM
if u think the field was weak during McEnroe, then u have no idea what ur talking about. Federer has simply no rival nowadays , not to undermine his talent, but there is not much competition 2day. Until Nadal burst on the scene this year, Federer was cruising last year, becoz all the inept players didnt know how to execute their game when needed. Its not a surprise that no player had a great season. winning 5 minor titles (Roddick) doesnt mean he had a good season. SAfin can only play for short periods & he proved his worth this year at aussie.

DrJules
11-18-2005, 08:26 AM
McEnroe may have only lost 3 times, but would much rather have beaten Lendl in the 1984 French Open final than had this record. Although only 3 losses one of them was the loss which hurts him most.

landoud
11-18-2005, 08:58 AM
Tieing is an accomplishment

nobama
11-18-2005, 11:10 AM
What competition exactly did Mac have in '84 if he was able to put up numbers like that and win that many titles? How can we say that Fed has no competition and Mac did? :scratch: You don't put up numbers like Fed has the past two years just because the field is supposedly weak.